From the Twitter feed of stand-up comic and actor Patton Oswalt (who should have a received a Best Supporting Actor nomination for Young Adult):
Patton Oswalt
"Political correctness is a war on noticing." -- Steve Sailer
HeatherN @hrn21245m
@pattonoswalt Um, have you read the article that quote comes from? … Are you comfortable endorsing it?
HeatherN @hrn21244m
@pattonoswalt I mean, Sailer is pretty objectively racist, sexist, homophobic and transphobic.
Phil Butcher @xeronius41m
@hrn212 @pattonoswalt PRETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTY sure he is mocking Sailer.
HeatherN @hrn21239m
@xeronius @pattonoswalt Oh see. I should know better than to read a comedian's twitter feed seriously.
Patton Oswalt @pattonoswalt28m
.@hrn212 @xeronius I'm in NO WAY mocking Sailer. I don't endorse or agree with his article, but THAT sentence? 100% accurate? ...
Patton Oswalt @pattonoswalt27m
.@hrn212 @xeronius Aren't I allowed to read, test my assumptions, and even sometimes agree with people who don't share all my views?
Phil Butcher @xeronius27m
@pattonoswalt @hrn212 Touche. I had looked at his body of work and just assumed it was mockery (bc he deserves mocking).
Patton Oswalt @pattonoswalt23m
.@hrn212 @xeronius I've never been scared of ideas. I can hear all kinds & still keep my feet. Think I'll call this stance "diversity."
From the 2005 movie Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo:
@pattonoswalt Um, have you read the article that quote comes from? … Are you comfortable endorsing it?
HeatherN @hrn21244m
@pattonoswalt I mean, Sailer is pretty objectively racist, sexist, homophobic and transphobic.
Phil Butcher @xeronius41m
@hrn212 @pattonoswalt PRETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTY sure he is mocking Sailer.
HeatherN @hrn21239m
@xeronius @pattonoswalt Oh see. I should know better than to read a comedian's twitter feed seriously.
Patton Oswalt @pattonoswalt28m
.@hrn212 @xeronius I'm in NO WAY mocking Sailer. I don't endorse or agree with his article, but THAT sentence? 100% accurate? ...
Patton Oswalt @pattonoswalt27m
.@hrn212 @xeronius Aren't I allowed to read, test my assumptions, and even sometimes agree with people who don't share all my views?
Phil Butcher @xeronius27m
@pattonoswalt @hrn212 Touche. I had looked at his body of work and just assumed it was mockery (bc he deserves mocking).
Patton Oswalt @pattonoswalt23m
.@hrn212 @xeronius I've never been scared of ideas. I can hear all kinds & still keep my feet. Think I'll call this stance "diversity."
Deuce Bigalow [Rob Schneider]: T.J., I'm so glad you are here.
T.J. Hicks [Eddie Griffin]: How did you find me?
Deuce Bigalow: Well, this seemed like the only chicken and waffles place in all of Holland.
T.J. Hicks: Ohhh, so the black guy has to go to a chicken and waffles place, that's Racist!
Deuce Bigalow: But you're here.
T.J. Hicks: Yeah, but figuring it out was racist.
HATE is noticing Sailer.
ReplyDeleteWhere the human mind goes to die.
ReplyDeleteIsn't it well-established that most Heathers are dumb?
ReplyDeleteIf this ends up hurting Oswalt's career, I'm going to buy a few of his books and movies on Amazon in solidarity. It doesn't have to turn into a big deal though. You never know with such things.
ReplyDeleteModified: "political correctness is a war on speaking aloud or writing what you've noticed."
ReplyDeleteHeather is reminding everyone that the 19th Amendment was a mistake.
ReplyDeleteIs Heather a transsexual? Looks like it in the avatar.
ReplyDeleteUh oh … do we have a candidate for our next 2-minutes' hate?
ReplyDeletePC is a retirement home where the 'retirees' refuse to sit still and be spoon-fed into obedience.
ReplyDeleteThat's hilarious. Poor Heather; she thought she'd point out to one of her favorite comedians that he unknowingly quoted a badthink source, and he'd retract it and thank her and she'd bask in the adulation of all his Twit followers.
ReplyDeleteOf course, she's totally in favor of free speech, but not that kind of speech, come on! That kind of speech should be restricted to bathroom walls -- that's freedom enough for those people.
I mean, Sailer is pretty objectively racist, sexist, homophobic and transphobic.
ReplyDeleteThat's a lot of street cred that just came your way. You should thank him.
What does he mean by 'objectively' racist, sexist, etc? That Steve develops his racist, sexist views by objectively evaluating the evidence? Or that anyone reading isteve will objectively conclude that Steve is racist, sexist, etc.
DeleteI think the deal with Patton is, one gets older, one gets married, one has children, one gets talked into buying a french bulldog with congenital defects due to overbreeding, and one starts noticing things more than what makes many Heathers comfortable.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it oh, so surprising
ReplyDeleteThat Heather and Lea are PC,
When Lea was conceived in the heather,
And Heather conceived in the lea?
(Attributed to Rachel Meaddow)
Turning to basic Jennifer Theory, the oldest members of a fad-name cohort will be noticeably smarter than the youngest, because their parents were forward-looking enough to choose a name that was still fresh, and are thus likely to be smarter themselves.
This goes double for shallowness, and both nature and nurture are at work here. But is Heather?
Can there be a George Kennan way of confronting PC and Liberalism?
ReplyDeleteKennan looked at the communist bloc after WWII and called for 'containment'.
First, try to contain communism by preventing it from spreading. Defend the free nations and make alliances with non-communist nations and give them support. Nixon and Kissinger added 'triangulation' by courting 'friendly' communist nations on the basis of 'enemy of your enemy is your friend'. So, US cozied up to China and Romania(a nation that refused to invade Czechoslovakia in 1968).
Finally, Reagan came up with rollback.
Containment, triangulation, and rollback.
But first, US had to flush out all the communists or fellow travelers in the US government, and there proved to be a whole bunch of them in the 40s.
Can the containment policy be carried out in American against PC and Liberalism? For it to happen, all conservatives must unite and pledge not to give an inch.
Don't try to regain lost ground right away but, at least, don't give away more territory.
Second, keep one's eyes focused on the main enemy. US fought a bunch of proxy wars during the Cold War but the main enemy was the USSR and US never lost sight of that. Today, there are proxy wars between conservatives and blacks/illegals/unions, but the #1 enemy of conservatives are the urban-globalist Lib elites. Are conservatives willing to face up to this fact?
Just as US sought to exploit divisions within the communist world and divisions between the USSR and the third world(that was wary of communism), might conservatives play on divisions within the Democratic party? It's a ragtag coalition held together by KKKrazy glue. Oberlin College is like the place in movie THE VILLAGE where the elders scare young ones with tales of monsters in the forests to maintain communal unity through scary stories. What if most people in the Democratic party were to discover that the main privileged oppressors are urban Lib elites who rake in everything? The Davos man.
Finally, rollback, where cons have strong ideas of their own and wave their own banners to counter those of the 'left'. When homos wave 'rainbow' flags, cons just stuff their hands in their pockets and have no banners of their own. No way to fight a culture war. Will cons become creative with symbolism and propaganda?
Will it work? At this point, unlikely. Why? In the Cold War, US was always richer and more powerful than the USSR.
But in the US, the Liberal side is much more powerful, richer, and control the elite institutions. They can buy more allies and also punish those who aid the conservatives. They can do to entire groups what US has done to Iran via sanctions.
Also, while US was finally cleared of its Soviet spies, the so-called Conservative side has been infiltrated and subverted by neocons and libertarians who are agents of globalism.
On the plus side, this kind of war can be waged outside politics. It can be like a messianic cultural movement. It all depends on who has the vision. A John the Baptist of the Right.
"Patton", as in Gen. George? "Oswalt", as in Spengler?
ReplyDeleteHis very name verges on hatecrime!
Don't fall in love with him Steve. He'll break your heart.
ReplyDeleteDan in DC
Well, Oswalt has always played the role of a fierce, independent thinker--he might be wrestling right now with the forbidden ideas he's read here. I always thought he'd be the last of our major stand-ups to take off the blinders.
ReplyDeleteLouis CK, though--there's no hope for that guy. He's friend-zoned the dark side.
Twitter is mentioned so often in the media.
ReplyDeleteSomeone says something, and then a whole bunch of idiots go nuts on twitter, and THAT is news!
HeatherN just proved Steve Sailer's point.
ReplyDeleteLouis CK is the rare American who has inside access to the Mexican elite: his Mexican mother met his father at Harvard. I've always wanted to hear his observations on the Mexican ruling class, but I've never heard anybody else express that interest.
ReplyDeletePatton is from Reston, Virginia, which is right down the street from where I grew up.
ReplyDeleteReston has turned from an idyllic white suburb with a lot of lakes, interesting architecture, beautiful walking and running paths to a very "vibrant" place.
Recently "youths" were beating and robbing joggers on isolated paths and all sundry strains of Latin American culture have been introduced including MS-13 and general poverty.
Maybe Patton visited his parents and had an awakening. Maybe he just likes the quote.
This strikes me as a schism between overly earnest post-modern leftists and a traditional liberal. Liberals were more iconoclastic, less trusting of government and not so indoctrinated by Cultural Marxism before the 1990's, so a guy like Oswalt is not going always be in lock step with modern group think.
ReplyDeleteI like how the Tweeters presumed Oswalt was being ironic and were familiar enough with Steve Sailer to know he is the source of all things verboten.
Joe Sobran is alleged to have called it semitical correctness.
ReplyDeleteSC more plainly identifies who drives it. Steve knows but prefers the more Dave Barry-like term PC.
PC is a war on noticing. SC is a war on noticing why.
I really despise Oswalt for his cloying atheism but I feel kind of bad for him seeing as how you used that whinny article of his as a springboard for your stand ups article awhile back. Surprised someone has tweeted that link at him yet.
ReplyDeletehttp://topconservativenews.com/2014/01/economist-magazine-diversity-leads-to-ambient-cultural-disharmony-and-conflict/
ReplyDeleteStephen King agrees too
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/StephenKing/with_replies
Between the above comments, the Washington Post article today about Roosh and some other things, I'm starting to believe the true enemies of free speech are women.
ReplyDeleteWomen seem bent on appointing themselves as schoolmarms, telling everyone what they can and can't say. I'm glad Patton held his ground and hope he doesn't apologize, because once they smell fear, then the attacks really begin...
-- Days of Broken Arrows
Stephen King agrees too
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/StephenKing/with_replies
How can I tell which Patton Oswalt tweet Stephen King is replying to?
ReplyDeleteI figure King must be responding to Oswalt's most recent statement before his own. So King agrees with this:
ReplyDelete"I've never been scared of ideas. I can hear all kinds & still keep my feet. Think I'll call this stance "diversity.""
Louis CK is the rare American who has inside access to the Mexican elite: his Mexican mother met his father at Harvard.
ReplyDeletePC: Don't notice his otherness.
SC: Don't notice his jewishness.
How can I tell which Patton Oswalt tweet Stephen King is replying to?
ReplyDeletecan't know for sure, but this was his previous tweet before Stephen King's tweet
.@hrn212 @xeronius I've never been scared of ideas. I can hear all kinds & still keep my feet. Think I'll call this stance "diversity."
Women do tend to point'n'screech. Men are a little more curious.
ReplyDelete"Stephen King agrees too"
ReplyDeleteSince when does Sailer weep holding a tiny little mouse?
Guess he won't be working in Hollywood again.
ReplyDeleteStephen King only joined twitter in December so he doesn't know how to use it correctly, you can't but if you look at the times posted and the context it seems likely.
ReplyDeleteLouis CK is the rare American who has inside access to the Mexican elite --Steve
ReplyDeleteMexico has produced an élite? The things you learn here!
Does Louis ever get together with Freddie Prinze Jr? Their fathers were both Hungarospanics. (Louis's father's mother was the Mexican, not his own.)
Steve Sailor now has the eye of Sauron on him.
ReplyDeleteThe best approach is not to hide and not to apologise, but just give them a big f@#k you in response.
Grow up Heather, sputtering is so '97...
ReplyDeleteDays of Broken Arrows,
ReplyDeleteWomen can only be truly interested in relationships between concrete individuals. They are congenitally bored by inanimate objects, abstract ideas and generalizations about large numbers of people. Outside of the interpersonal sphere, in which women are genuinely interested, they can only be an amplifying mechanism for men's ideas. They will unthinkingly repeat the ideas held by men they respect. If a woman is unattached or does not respect the man she's with, she will default to unthinkingly repeating the abstract and political ideas that are most popular with the dominant men in her culture. Today this is PC. If HBD ever becomes the dominant view among men, especially powerful ones, unattached and unhappily attached women will start unthinkingly attacking anyone who opposes HBD. If scientology ever becomes the dominant view among men, unattached and unhappily attached women will unthinkingly attack anyone who challenges scientology. The content of the ideas doesn't matter. Only their popularity among men does.
Funny thing is, if the guy had just tweeted the same thing without attributing it to Steve, people would probably have thought it edgy and funny.
ReplyDeleteSuch simpletons these days.
Absolutely classic delicious stuff. Here, I've made you a quibcag:
ReplyDeleteA Steve Sailer quibcag
If I remember correctly YOUNG ADULT came out just after BAD TEACHER. You gave a great review to BT but ignored YA.
ReplyDeleteI thought that YA was the most unbelievably conservative movie made by Hollywood, like, ever. It was a truly conservative movie, not fake wardrums conservative.
It was ruthless towards its female protagonist who was living the feminist dream. It was kind towards the small town, family-oriented people she left. And it was honest about her capacity to change.
Charlize Theron is a superb actress so she gave it her all, but I don't think she is pleased with having it on her resume, because it wasn't a success, and it's so freaking conservative.
Oh yeah, Oswalt was excellent. I think in the funny fat guy actor category he's better than Jonah Hill.
How did he find the quote?
ReplyDeleteFunny. I lost all interest in the career and opinions of Patton Oswalt after he went full tumblr die-white-men-check-your-privilege in his support of Lindy West. I guess he's back to hedging his bets and trying to appease both sides.
ReplyDeletePatton Oswalt after he went full tumblr die-white-men-check-your-privilege in his support of Lindy West.
ReplyDeleteOr he's a doughy fatboy who felt burn-by-association when tubby West was microaggressed.
Whiskey's dishonest shifting of blame on women would sound ridiculous to any man who has been loved. In other words, it would sound ridiculous to most men. A woman's love includes unconditional support for any and all political and abstract ideas, no matter how idiotic, that a man has. And there's nothing wrong with that. There are always enough men around to generate new ideas. The amp system cannot be a problem in itself, only the men at the microphone can.
ReplyDelete@anonymous 2:51
ReplyDeleteOswalt is a personal friend of Jim Goad, even if they don't always get along. I'm sure he's familiar with TakiMag and the alt-right.
http://streetcarnage.com/blog/so-sick-of-people-saying-theyre-sick-of-the-tea-party/
"Young Adult" is real good. It's written by that lady with the stripper name who wrote "Juno," so I guess she's for real.
ReplyDeleteThe only problem with the movie is that while it's supposed to be set in Minnesota in some Nowheresville, it was filmed in an expensive suburb of New York City. So, the locals' desperation to get out and move to Chicago like Charlize Theron did seems odd.
But that's pretty common among low budget movies with good screenplays. The stars get a big say in where to film in return for taking modest pay. Like half of "Blue Valentine" is set, quite effectively, in some place like Scranton, PA, but the flashback half, seemingly inexplicably, was filmed in Brooklyn. But then the arguing couple in Scranton never argue about why they no longer live in Brooklyn.
In reality, it was all supposed to be filmed in Scranton, but Michelle Williams wanted to be at home with her daughter in Brooklyn so they filmed the flashback half of the movie there.
Someone called David Ashton has just posted something in the DT comments. It sums up the opposition so perfectly, it's worth quoting:
ReplyDelete"The belief that all human populations are genetically identical, and that there are no average differences in intellectual capacity, is so ridiculous, and so contrary to scientific data, mathematical probability and historical experience, that it can only be protected by irrational abuse, informal sanctions like career frustration, and persecution by irrational legislation."
Patton is friends with Jim Goad so I wouldnt be surprised if he is a regular reader of Taki's.
ReplyDeleteHeatherN@hrn212: "Sex-positive, pro-empathy, queer, PC gaming, intersectional Evil Feminist from Space. Looking to experiment with consoles."
ReplyDeleteTremble, Mr. Sailer.
"Young Adult" is two-thirds of a good movie. It completely falls apart in the end. Oswalt is very good in it, though.
ReplyDeleteLeaving aside any politics, how can anyone bear to use or read twitter?
ReplyDeleteIt seems like something they would do to you in some intelligence agency's secret prison as a form of torture. Wall to wall monitors tweeting endless nonsense, your eyes held open like in A Clockwork Orange.
How did this ever get big? People willingly do this? Boggles my mind.
"Sex-positive, pro-empathy, queer, PC gaming, intersectional Evil Feminist from Space. Looking to experiment with consoles."
ReplyDeleteOr boring spoiled brat dime-a-dozen 'radical' mass-manufactured by collegiate factories.
Being 'different' has become so same and lame.
Stephen King is agreeing with Oswalt's tweet about Hunger Games being derivative of Running Man and The Long Walk, as if he has any business complaining about being derivative.
ReplyDeleteSteve,
ReplyDeleteCongrats on the Oswalt mention. N.B., If you play around with the embed button on tweets, you may be able to paste them into a blog post in a more visually appealing way.
I don't think anyone's going to go too hard after Oswalt. Salon tried to give him grief over a joke last year and he crushed them. Like the rest of us, the PC brigades fear most being publicly ridiculed.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.mediaite.com/online/salon-picks-twitter-fight-with-patton-oswalt-loses-should-probably-stop-picking-fights-with-patton-oswalt/
And, yes, he did deserve an Oscar nom for Young Adult, but I guess there's only room for one fat, schlubby guy per category, and Jonah Hill got it for Moneyball.
"Leaving aside any politics, how can anyone bear to use or read twitter?... How did this ever get big? People willingly do this? Boggles my mind."
ReplyDeleteSame reason 12 year old girls stuff their trainer bra:
desperation borne of self-contempt and the insaitiable need for approval by people bigger than you.
To gals like Heather, in twitter world, Patton has tits.
To Patton, Stephen King's tits are bigger.
For Stephen, who actually has some tits, he's flattered by all the flat-chesters giving him props.
I mean, Sailer is pretty objectively racist, sexist, homophobic and transphobic.
ReplyDeleteI like "transphobic" the best of the bunch; it sounds very sci-fi. It sounds like what they'd call silly people on Star Trek who are afraid to use the transporter machine.
Yes Anon 3:04 by all means DO NOT NOTICE the PC screeching by women. DON'T NOTICE that its some chick screeching at Patton Oswalt about his link/quote to Steve Sailer. Please DON'T NOTICE. Continue to put women on a pedestal, instead of taking them as they are.
ReplyDeleteIts not their fault. Its biology and evolution. But women (see Roissy's latest post) are hard-left communal enforcers. Always have been, always will be. That varies from culture to culture. Scandi women and culture (that means the US SWPL folk too) are hardest left and hardest communal. Chinese women are least left and least communal, more familial. Think Amy Chua and Bo Xilai's wife versus say, Julia Gillard and the Swedish Feminists.
But that is a fact of life -- even married women vote more leftward than their husbands. And yes women are not mere husband appendages either, but independent beings with their own thoughts, feelings, and drives.
But please, please, don't NOTICE! Continue your Crunchy Con Blue Pill Churchian conservative ways. The ways of the self-castrati, who cuts off his mind as well as his balls. Don't EVER NOTICE.
I don't know much about Oswalt, but as a stand up comedian he faces one giant constraint: how to be funny without EVER EVER stepping on land-mine taboos.
ReplyDeleteConsider Sarah Silverman. She got a lot of grief over a bunch of Young Black/Old Jewish Men jokes: they both like White shoes, and go to lots of friends funerals, as well as an Asian joke. She's had to go full PC (she was likely hard left anyway) and avoid anything but mocking Christians. Which was "edgy" maybe in 1725. Nearly three centuries onward, a cliche in and of itself.
As a result, she's a has-been. No longer young and pretty, its one failed pilot after another, and pretty soon she's looking to be a permanent "square" in the inevitable reboot of Hollywood Squares. If she's lucky, she can be Charles Nelson Reilly. If not, an occasional Phyllis Diller like puppet "Madame." Spouting one liners every week on syndicated TV.
That's lucky.
Now, Patton Oswalt would likely agree that he's not even as "pretty" as Sarah Silverman is now, much less ten years ago. All he's got is the ability to be funny. And avoid being a Hollywood Square. For whatever reason, he's not Jonah Hill, or that McLovin guy, or what have you. He's not a Spielberg crony, or related to someone, so he can only make his dough by being funny.
This is a business decision. He's screwed by PC, which puts traps around him for noticing the funniest stuff: Obama, his wife, Hillary, are all hilariously funny but their personal characteristics which are funny cannot be mocked. Same with social situations, a bunch of other stuff.
Steve -- You might have formatted that exchange to make it a little more obvious who was saying what. You could have done it by hand in 5 minutes.
ReplyDeleteIn today's world you pick a viewpoint, plug your ears, and start yelling.
ReplyDeleteGood one! I may have to steal it.
sunbeam, I agree.
ReplyDeleteThe quality is like a big youtube comment section minus the videos. I guess narcissism is its appeal...that of celebrities who can get millions of "followers", and that of the idiot followers who can (lottery-style) get an occasional response from said celebrities.
Nothing worth looking at though.
Ah, the ol' point-'n-splutter.
ReplyDeleteHe's objectively transphobic! QED!
Heather - I mean, Sailer is pretty objectively racist, sexist, homophobic and transphobic.
ReplyDeleteHi Heather, I for one enjoy your visits to Steve's where you routinely best him (and the rest of us) in the comments section.
many people came to your blog because you mentioned bill simmons?
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ReplyDeletehttp://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2014/01/strangelove-for-real.html
New Yorker is missing the larger point. While the president wasn't the only one who was authorized to use nukes in a time of grave emergency, it was highly unlikely that the US military was filled with a cabal of lunatics who wanted to blow up the world because of... fluoride in the water. It sounds like PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF THE MILITARY. It was a totally paranoid view of American power, rather odd coming from liberals who so often pontificated about the 'paranoia' of the Red Scare years. It's amusing how liberal bitch and whine about the paranoia of the American right, but they are really the most paranoid people on earth.
According to liberals, it was 'irrational' and 'paranoid' for conservatives in the 40s and 50s to fear communist infiltration, but it was totally sane and rational for liberals to panic about 'right-wing' generals blowing up the world in a nuclear holocaust in WWIII? A liberal also made THE DAY AFTER to spread fear about Reagan bringing upon armageddon. Liberas love to scare monger, but they hated the Red Scare because it exposed a lot of spies and fellow travelers.
There were many Soviet agents in the US government during FDR's presidency and Truman yrs, indeed to the point where American nuclear secrets were smuggled to Stalin by the Rosenbergs. Stalin killed 20 million but American leftists armed him with the ultimate weapon to threaten America and Western Europe with.
And the Cuban Missile Crisis had the Soviet Union planting nukes close to the US. During the Crisis, Che Guevara wanted to provoke a US invasion so that nukes could be fired at Miami and NY.
These Liberals want to start WWIII with Russia over 'gay marriage', but they call others 'extreme' and 'hysterical'. If war it must be, I'd rather fight over fluoride than homo marches.
Despite the Cuban Missile Crisis and the communist Oswald's murder of JFK, American liberals's biggest obsession in the 60s was about American generals blowing up the world over fluoride in the water. Liberals are funny that way. They whine endlessly about the 'paranoia' of anti-communist red scare, but they have no problem with believing the worst about 'rightwing' American generals or in some vast conspiracy killed Kennedy when, in fact, the killer was a communist named Oswald whose mind was warped by the ideas disseminated by American radicals in places like NY.
And never mind liberals made president some guy who used to hang with Ayers and Wright.
Not that conservatives are better, playing whore to creep Adelson who says to nuke Iran.
What the hell is going on here
ReplyDeleteFrom trying to read your mangled copypaste of the Twitter feed--what a boon to civilization that website turned out to be--I can see that Oswalt (I think) was both affirming your sentiment and aware of the context, i.e. not being ironic. But it's a pretty surprising source of backup... Not as surprising as Grantland posting something that maybe finally provokes reaction to PC theology (however accidentally)
ReplyDelete"Heather - I mean, Sailer is pretty objectively racist, sexist, homophobic and transphobic."
ReplyDelete"Pretty objectively" is an interesting choice of weasel words. Someone could black-knight by pretending to be a liberal and hammering her for equivocating with "pretty." What, Heather, you're not sure that Sailer is those things? You don't trust the judgment of the SPLC? Are you really one of the Good People? What unfortunate views are you hiding, hmm, Heather? Don't be scared; a quick trip to the Education Center and you'll be right as rain and happier than ever.
i wonder how long it will be until oswalt begs for forgiveness .
ReplyDeleteIn retrospect, it appears McCarthy's main sin was not paranoia--though there was some of that--but his noticing of red infiltration of America.
ReplyDeleteHow dare he notice.
If Steve can be "objectively racist" etc. Does not the objective adjective imply that he is correct in the views he holds--at least in Heather's universe. So if his views are correct that racism, homophobia, etc don't exist. I know I'm confused.
ReplyDeleteI've always thought twitter was an enormous joke played upon everyone who used it. Has anyone ever heard twitter used to indicate something deep, profound, or meaningful. How the hell do you sign up for that unless you are someone who is willing to leap into reflexive superficial reactions to the "hot" topics of the moment or the "hot spots" that galvanize a cat or dog into frantic scratching.
I think I'll reserve my superficiality to the comments sections of assorted and sundry blogs.
Probably the umpteenth poster to note that the smart subversive in Oswalt's position will continue to quote Sailer, but praise him with faint damnation. A fun one is to speak the truth, but in a mocking, sarcastic, or ironic tone.
ReplyDeleteBut then, then the hateful shit in Sailer's article isn't directed at you, is it? It's just ideas you can ignore.
ReplyDeleteBut then, the hateful shit permeating the entire culture isn't directed at non-"white 'gentile' males," is it? It's just stuff lefties can ignore.
Oh fuck, I read the articles comments section. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH ME???
"Shit! Shit! I noticed! I noticed! Wash my eyeballs...waaasshh maahh eyeballlllls!"
Yes Anon 3:04 by all means DO NOT NOTICE the PC screeching
ReplyDeleteThat is pretty rich coming from you. 'Do not notice' sums you up to a tee.
Since when does Sailer weep holding a tiny little mouse?
ReplyDeleteIt would've been interesting to see how King's approach to blacks in his work might've changed if he'd actually met some.
How did he find the quote?
Not sure what path he traveled to find it, but it was probably racist.
only the men at the microphone can.
Whiskey is currently dreaming up a way to throw you and yours under the bus to punish you for saying that.
Stephen King is agreeing with Oswalt's tweet about Hunger Games being derivative of Running Man and The Long Walk, as if he has any business complaining about being derivative.
Let's just say King's approach to blacks is like a caricature of a caricature of a caricature of a milquetoast sixties boomer, except presented in earnest; sight unseen, my money'd never be on him agreeing with anything but PC.
1/24/14, 5:29 PM
Told you. Offering an explanation with more predictive power is a no-no. Pulling back the curtain on Oz is a no-no.
It sounds like PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF THE MILITARY. It was a totally paranoid view of American power, rather odd coming from liberals who so often pontificated about the 'paranoia' of the Red Scare years. It's amusing how liberal bitch and whine about the paranoia of the American right, but they are really the most paranoid people on earth.
Ever read Yggdrasil's review of Strangelove? He makes Kubrick's paranoia make sense. Of course, in so doing, he make's Ripper's paranoia make more sense, too.
It's interesting that in the face of the Twitter swarm attack, Oswalt basically said "yes, I know who I was quoting, and I stand by what I said."
ReplyDelete...and people seem to be moving on instead of doubling down with outraged articles in the Gawker-Salon-Slate-Buzzfeed axis of P.C. enforcement.
Is it because Oswalt is considered a good guy by lefties, so this is being dismissed as an anomaly?
Or is something else happening?
Svigor said...
ReplyDelete"It would've been interesting to see how King's approach to blacks in his work might've changed if he'd actually met some."
Was Stephen King the originator of "the magic negro," as portrayed in "The Shining?"
I can't think of a magic negro before that, but there's been scores of them since, opening a cottage industry of sorts for black actors.
I mean the ethereal archetypes as played by Morgan Freeman and others, not the Bugs Bunny types as portrayed in Blazing Saddles and most Eddie Murphy movies.
Oswalt has always been one of my favorite standups. Of course he's a lefty but what high profile cultural figure isn't? To express a right wing view on anything is to be targeted for career annihilation: condemned, ridiculed and marginalized. So I give him a little credit for standing by his guns.
ReplyDeleteThe sin isn't niticing, it's acknowledging. Heather probably uses a heuristic for deciding if a neighborhood is safe to walk around in after dark that would be familiar to any Steve Sailer reader, but she would be embarrassed to describe it out loud.
ReplyDeleteI imagine every society has had things that lots of people knew or suspected, but which simply couldn't be said without offending people. We seem to be wired to know what the "party line" is and to never stray too far from it. In US society, the party line is largely determined by what people say on TV--both in fiction and in various kinds of talk shows. I think it's hard to overstate the impact of the modeling of the "right" way to think and respond that happens on news and sports talk shows. (And probably celebrity scandal talk shows and Oprah type shows, but I don't know that much about them.).
Ideas that are often said and seldom challenged on TV seem reasonable, even when they're nuts, or horribly evil. Ideas that are seldom said and always challenged on TV seem unreasonable or obviously wrong or crazy, even when they're right.
And which ideas fall into which category has little to do with right or wrong or reason or evidence. Instead, that's determined by messy political and social forces that have little to do with careful reasoning of anything.
What is most interesting here is that Oswalt stood by his endorsement of the quote while acknowldging the context: I.e. he knows what stuff Sailed is noticing. So implicitly he's also acknowledging the truth of the things the PC police make war on. My expectation is that the usual cultural enforcers don't see any profit in crucifying Oswalt over this.
ReplyDeletePatton was (maybe still is) a regular on Jim Goad's forum which is frequented by all sorts of unsavory, politically questionable characters. He seemed to be a good liberal himself, but his associations are suspect.
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ReplyDeleteWhat does he mean by 'objectively' racist, sexist, etc? That Steve develops his racist, sexist views by objectively evaluating the evidence? Or that anyone reading isteve will objectively conclude that Steve is racist, sexist, etc. "
Yeah, I noticed that too. My guess? It is a verbal tick or short hand, like, say, "late stage capitalism", and derives from leftist academic writing (if that is not an oxymoron at this point), and serves to identify the speaker as educated in the right way (status marker) and to shut down debate by identifying the target as outside of the bounds of orthodox thought and, therefore, a heretic.
Which is really what PC is all about, really -- enforcing the current set of orthodox cultural beliefs, e.g., the numinosity of the "Other", denial of HBD and it's consequences and the resulting ill fated schemes to ameliorate problems that are not, contrary to the prevailing orthodox narrative, caused by the utter degeneracy (original sin) of evil White Folks. It is the PC orthodoxy that enables the Elite, as Leftist Conservative astutely pointed out in another thread, to treat us like cattle in their grand experiment.
Of course, instead of Dominicans enforcing orthodoxy we get the Twidiots of the world, like Heather, who confuse the indoctrination they received with an actual education; in addition, the Inquisition burned relatively few heretics (and did not start with heretic being put to the question or burned - it was 3 stage process); and, importantly, the accused could always admit error and accept lesser punishment, i.e, confinement, pilgrimage, or other form of atonement. Ultimately, he would be allowed back into the church. After all, the point was to save the soul of the heretic and the Dominicans took that stuff seriously.
In contrast, the PC Inquisition
immolates all who come before it in the form of ostracism from acceptable society with the commensurate loss of career, income, respect, etc. - and NO amount of contrition, apology, or previous dedication to and promulgation of PC orthodoxy, will suffice to halt the auto-de-fe and to quench the flames. And that, really, is a, heh, "objective" weakness in the current mechanism by which PC orthodoxy is enforced, especially against public figures. As there is no chance to escape, the best tactic is, *not* to apologize, which is, if you read between the lines, what Patton did.
It is just a thought, but it seems to me the current PC enforcement techniques, lacking nuance, and run by the Heathers of the world, is weak around the seams, and *may* not be enough in the long run to preserve the existing order.
SO, heck, who knows, maybe the Reformation comes early this time around.
Anon, I don't know, but I do know King has worked pretty hard on it. I haven't even read that much King, and I know of four prominent magic negroes in his work: The Shining, The Stand, The Green Mile, and Drawing of the Three. In fact, I'd argue that he doesn't deal in magic negroes, but instead considers negroes to be magical.
ReplyDelete"I can't think of a magic negro before that, but there's been scores of them since, opening a cottage industry of sorts for black actors."
ReplyDeleteUncle Tom's Cabin.
Tragic Magic Negro.
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Joe Louis.
MLK.
Faulkner included a semi-magic negro in Go Down, Moses.
ReplyDelete"I've always wanted to hear [Louis CK's] observations on the Mexican ruling class"
ReplyDeleteIt would be interesting. They seem to maintain pretty heavy ties to Europe.
Here is Mexican citizen Prince Hubertus of Hohenlohe-Langenburg in his quirky ski outfit at Sochi. According to wikipedia he's the son of Prince Alfonso Maximiliano Victorio Eugenio Alexandro María Pablo de la Santísima Trinidad y Todos los Santos zu Hohenlohe-Langenburg (allow me to catch my breath).
I remember some post you made awhile back displaying rich Mexicans' atrocious taste in interior decor. I imagine those people were some kind of New Money, analogous to The Real Housewives Orange County, rather than elites with well-established aristocratic pedigree.
Patton Oswalt takes a funny shot at urban hipsters for loving diversity in theory and and being terrified of it in practice in this chat with Jerry Seinfeld in this segment of Seinfeld's web series, Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee:
ReplyDeletePatton Oswalt: How Would You Kill Superman? Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee
Seinfeld himself stands up to the whiners and bullies who complain that his choice of guests for the series lacks diversity:
Jerry Seinfeld On Diversity In Comedy: "Who Cares? Are You Making Us Laugh Or Are You Not?"