What's going on in Ukraine, where the U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland was embarrassed by the Russkies releasing a presumably tapped phone call of her attempting to stage-manage Ukrainian affairs (e.g., heavyweight champ Vitali Klitschko should be kept out of any coalition government) and expressing short-temperedness with her putative E.U. allies?
The Game of the Great Powers. It's kind of like the Seahawks are winning 36-8, but even if they put in the reserves, the reserves are still going to try hard to run up the score even further. That's what they do. Ukraine may not strike you or me as hugely crucial to America's national interests, but if you are the State Department official in charge of Ukraine you still want to sack Peyton Manning (or the geopolitical equivalent).
Your Lying Eyes took a look at Ms. Nuland's background:
She got into the State Department during the Bush Administration, so she's probably not some wide-eyed liberal nut. In fact she's married to Robert Kagan - that's a familiar name, isn't it. Robert and brother Fred seem to have strategically implanted themselves in key policy-making positions within the Democratic and Republican party apparatus. Robert is embedded at Brookings, while Fred is ensconsed at AEI. It's a beautiful thing, America 2.0 (or is it 3.0 - can't keep track).
Her father-in-law is Yale historian Donald Kagan, author of a four-volume history of the Peloponnesian War from which neocons appear to have drawn remarkably wrong-headed lessons: e.g., a turning point in the war between Athens and Sparta was when the here-to-fore dominant Athenians decided to invade irrelevant Sicily, which turned out to be a vast waste of money and men. Athens ultimately lost the war. Back in 2002, the neocons, like all three Kagans, somehow deduced from this lesson of history that the New Athenians (us) should invade Iraq.
Her brother-in-law Fred's wife is Kimberly Kagan, who is also a militarist pundit and adviser.
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Her father is surgeon and Yale medical school professor Sherwin Nuland, author of the bestseller How We Die.
A talented, energetic family that is part of the Permanent Government of the United States. It doesn't really matter who wins the Presidential election: some Kagan-Nuland will be doing something somewhere in your name and on your dime. From Wikipedia:
Nuland has had a long career in the Foreign Service and has worked for both Democratic and Republican administrations. During the Bill Clinton administration, Nuland was chief of staff to Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott before moving on to serve as deputy director for former Soviet Union affairs. During the George W. Bush administration, she served as the principal deputy foreign policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney and then as U.S. ambassador to NATO. During the Barack Obama administration, she was special envoy for Conventional Armed Forces in Europe before assuming the position of State Department spokesperson in summer 2011, which she held until February 2013.
She was nominated to serve as Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs in May 2013 and sworn in to fill that role in September 2013.[3]
So, if the 2016 election is between, say, Hillary Clinton and Paul Ryan, she won't be sweating about whether or not she'll have a job in 2017.
Considering their catastrophic track record on Iraq and their continued ascent in the stratosphere of power players, is there anything the Kagan-Nulands could screw up that would hurt their careers? (Other than publicly recanting and apologizing, of course.)
God help us all.
ReplyDeleteWith war-mongering Zionists in charge we don't stand a chance.
Did the family bundle cash for Obama?
Why the ambassadorship payoff to Mama Kagan?
ReplyDeleteWIKIPEDIA on Robert Kagan's dad, Donald:
Born into a Jewish family from Kuršėnai, Kagan grew up in the Brownsville section of Brooklyn, New York, where his family emigrated when he was two years old, shortly after the death of his father. He graduated from Brooklyn College in 1954, received an MA from Brown University in 1955 and a PhD from the Ohio State University in 1958.[1]
Once a liberal Democrat, Professor Kagan changed his views in 1969. According to Jim Lobe, cited by Craig Unger, Kagan's turn away from liberalism occurred in 1969 when Cornell University was pressured into starting a Black Studies program by gun-wielding militants seizing the Willard Straight Hall: "Watching administrators demonstrate all the courage of Neville Chamberlain had a great impact on me, and I became much more conservative."[2] He was one of the original signers of the 1997 Statement of Principles by the neoconservative think tank Project for the New American Century.[3] On the eve of the 2000 presidential elections, Kagan and his son, Frederick Kagan, published While America Sleeps, a call to increase defense spending.
The National Endowment for the Humanities (NEH) awarded Donald Kagan the National Humanities Medal in 2002, and selected him to deliver the 2005 Jefferson Lecture, which the NEH calls "the highest honor the federal government confers for distinguished intellectual achievement in the humanities."[4] Kagan's Jefferson Lecture was entitled "In Defense of History";[5] he argued that history is of primary importance in the study of the humanities.[6][7]
Until his retirement in 2013, Kagan was Sterling Professor of Classics and History at Yale University—a title reserved for only the few most accomplished academics at Yale. His course "The Origins of War" was one of the university's most popular courses for twenty-five years. He currently teaches "Introduction to Ancient Greek History" [8] and upper level History and Classical Civilization seminars focusing on topics from Thucydides to the Lakedaimonian hegemony.
Kagan lives in New Haven, Connecticut. He is married to Myrna Kagan, a teacher and historian in her own right, and the author of "Vision in the Sky: New Haven's Early Years, 1638-1784." He is the father of Robert Kagan and Frederick Kagan, both well-known writers. Robert Kagan's wife is Victoria Nuland, spokesperson for the United States Department of State. Frederick Kagan's wife is Kimberly Kagan, a well-known military historian and founder and president of the Institute for the Study of War.
WIKIPEDIA on Victoria:
ReplyDelete"Nuland is the daughter of Yale bioethics and medicine professor Sherwin B. Nuland, the family's original surname being Nudelman. She graduated from Choate Rosemary Hall in 1979 and has a B.A. from Brown University. Nuland is married to historian Robert Kagan, with whom she has two children. Nuland speaks Russian, French, and some Chinese.
Career[edit]
Nuland has had a long career in the Foreign Service and has worked for both Democratic and Republican administrations. During the Bill Clinton administration, Nuland was chief of staff to Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott before moving on to serve as deputy director for former Soviet Union affairs. During the George W. Bush administration, she served as the principal deputy foreign policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney and then as U.S. ambassador to NATO. During the Barack Obama administration, she was special envoy for Conventional Armed Forces in Europe before assuming the position of State Department spokesperson in summer 2011, which she held until February 2013.[2]
Assistant Secretary[edit]
She was nominated to serve as Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs in May 2013 and sworn in to fill that role in September 2013.[3]
2014 Ukraine/EU conversation[edit]
On 6 February 2014[nb 1] Nuland became part of a diplomatic scandal, when one of her January 2014 conversations with the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey R. Pyatt, was apparently intercepted and uploaded to YouTube.[nb 2] In discussion about how to handle crises in Ukraine, Nuland remarked, "Fuck the E.U." and Pyatt responded, "Oh, exactly,...".[nb 3][7][8][9][nb 4] A spokeswoman for EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton stated (the same day) that the EU would not comment on a "leaked alleged" conversation.[5][nb 5] The next day a spokeswoman, Christiane Wirtz, stated that German Chancellor Angela Merkel termed Nuland's remark "absolutely unacceptable."
CV looks pretty standard for a member of the Foreign Service Elite: good prep school (Rosemary Choate Hall), degree from an Ivy League uni (Brown), etc.
"A talented, energetic family."
ReplyDeleteEnergenetic.
And it helps that she's a member of the Tribe.
It's really all women all the time now, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteSteve's suggestion that such folks find sports teams to worry about instead of agitating for international conflict looks better and better all the time.
ReplyDeleteFor the curious, the ratio of political (i.e., people who are getting paid off for service to Obama and/or the Dems) to career (people who actually work for the State Dept ) ambassadorships:
ReplyDelete"Updated February 7, 2014
Political: 41/53.2%
Career: 36/46.8%"
I loved how the speaker of the German Foreign Office (or some such title) said that Ms. Nulands career shows that America was still the land of opportunity -- for he can't imagine her amounting to much in his diplomatic corps.
ReplyDeleteHey, lets’ hear it for Strobe Talbott, who played a decisive role in the successful conclusion of the Cold War. All Ronald Reagan had to do was read Strobe’s advice in Time magazine every week, do the exact opposite and, presto, the Cold War was ended successfully.
ReplyDeleteShe's a career officer. I think one of her more recent positions was head flak. In lieu of having Mrs. Kagan in the position, you might get a member of Congress or a think tank denizen.
ReplyDeleteIraq had oil, a dependent population needing protection from Iran and AQ, and could be supplied from sea. Afghanistan as no oil and can't allow us to dump Saudis as oil client state. It must be supplied through Pakistan which is hostile. Saddam was a symbol of US inabilty to destroy enemies.
ReplyDeleteWho was stupid again?
Success in Iraq could have let us dump the Saudis, get the royals behind 9/11, and strike fear in Tehran next door with a flood of Iraqi oil impoverishing that regime.
Iraq as opposed to Afganistan, or Libya, or Syria, or oking Irans bomb?
Nepotism and corrupt elite on point though. We have an aristocrscy, pretend we don't, and it is corrupt.
ReplyDeleteExcuse spelling, nook.
"Ukraine may not strike you or me as hugely crucial to America's national interests..."
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"You think Ukraine not important?!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzLtF_PxbYw
Merit. Merit. Merit. Sure, the Kagans have a long and fruitful track record of getting things wrong, but merit.
ReplyDeleteWhiskey: "Excuse spelling, nook."
ReplyDeleteI had no opinion about the Nook until now.
"Considering their catastrophic track record on Iraq and their continued ascent in the stratosphere of power players, is there anything the Kagan-Nulands could screw up that would hurt their careers?"
ReplyDeleteThe family as a whole should be all right as long as they don't become missionary Jews For Jesus.
For individuals wanting to rise as fast as their family in general does, Anthony Weiner is probably not a good example to follow.
Above all, don't be a Fredo Corleone.
"Merit. Merit. Merit. Sure, the Kagans have a long and fruitful track record of getting things wrong, but merit."
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However, anyone with less than an Ivy League education, a sterling resume, and family connections out the wazoo merits nothing more than beans three times a day, dead end temp work (if that), and an ever-decreasing standard of living.
"When Jews are pacifists, they are declared a hostile un-American clique; when they finally begin to move toward the political right and become pro-military, they are... a hostile un-American clique."
ReplyDeletewhen commie jews are pacifists in the face of soviet agression you declare them hostile to america. and when they are hostile in the face of a castrated iraq they are un-american. make up your mind Steve
first you said i couldn't get the pony, now you're saying i have to get rid of it. make up your mind Marge!
Tell me again why Southern and Mid-Western Whites encourage their sons to go get blown to bit, supporting these "elites" in the US Gov't, who obviously have contempt for them?
ReplyDeleteAnonydroid at 6:56 PM said: When Jews are pacifists, they are declared a hostile un-American clique; when they finally begin to move toward the political right and become pro-military, they are... a hostile un-American clique.
ReplyDeleteHunsdon asked: Is there anything to the political right besides being pro-military, and if so, do the Kagans exemplify it?
Gotta say I'm enjoying the paleo-Ukrainian nationalists fight it out with the paleo-Putin idolaters.
ReplyDeleteHow many legions does the Pope have? Not many if they're fighting each other.
Ukraine has a TFR of 1.29, Russia is at 1.61 (including non-Russians).
Bye bye both.
What's the point of all this Juden-angst? If these folks were WASP's, Steve wouldn't be dog-whistling like this.
ReplyDeleteI didn't know Boehner was a Jew. Or did you not read that post from earlier today?
I'm pretty sure Viktor Yanukovych won in what were deemed relatively free and fair elections. He should be allowed to finish his term without foreign interference.
ReplyDeleteAs the legendary Pat Buchanan has pointed out:
While he rules a divided nation, Yanukovych has hardly been a tyrant. As the crowds grew violent, he dismissed his government, offered the prime ministry to a leader of the opposition, repealed the laws lately passed to crack down on demonstrations, and took sick for four days.
But the street crowds, sensing he is breaking and smelling victory, are pressing ahead. There have now been several deaths among the protesters and police.
Putin is incensed, but inhibited by the need to keep a friendly face for the Sochi Olympics. Yet he makes a valid point.
How would Europeans have reacted if, in the bailout crisis, he, Putin, had flown to Athens and goaded rioters demanding that Greece default and pull out of the eurozone?
How would the EU react if Putin were to hail the United Kingdom Independence Party, which wants out of the EU, or the Scottish National Party, which wants to secede from Great Britain?
Full article
The US and the EU really need to stick their noses elsewhere. Haven't they got their own collapsing economies to worry about?
Steve's right - Ukraine is not hugely crucial to America's national interests.
The Russians must be having the time of their life exposing all of this obvious hypocrisy. I would to.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, I had an exchange with Fred Kagan on his comment section in AEI once. God, what an asshole.
"Why don't you just come out and say that you believe dwarves should be banned from public service?"
ReplyDeleteThat is an altogether sensible proposition in the case where the dwarves are ultimately for the dwarves regardless of the specific policy question of the moment.
>Why don't you just come out and say that you believe Jews should be banned from public service?<
ReplyDeleteContext matters. Stop hyperventilating and look at each case in context. Besides, it isn't Steve's point. The point is "Invade the World" is driven by the restlessness of our managers, whose principal HBD connection is their being selected by Bell Curve sorting in our society's increasing stratification by IQ (or its proxies). If many of the recent and relevant examples are Jews, so much the better for anyone interested in ethnicity.
Some commenters may have a bitter beef with the bad aspects of Jewish behavior (I myself do, and with those of black and Appalachian white behavior, too). But Steve will be Steve, and he has his Steve memes, which will be repeated until you attend to them.
"What's the point of all this Juden-angst? .. When Jews are pacifists, they are declared a hostile un-American clique; when they finally begin to move toward the political right and become pro-military, they are... a hostile un-American clique. Why don't you just come out and say that you believe Jews should be banned from public service?"
ReplyDeleteThere you go again blaming the goyim.
1) perhaps we goyim just want to have OUR interests represented by people who people who will represent OUR interests. Rdical extremism, I know. If 2% of the population must have 50%-80% of the best jobs --pretty much like Weimar Germany--then can we not at least have the best of the 2, and not a section who will pursue ethnic profit over the national interest.
2)Jews often boast about their gains as being as much due to higher integrity as much as merit. (does not Weiner's Mad Men attack the old WASPs for being so corrupt, out of touch etc and judge the 1969 executives by 2014 standards?) If those who have bollixed up this country lack the integrity to resign, then why don't Jews criticize themselves or at least allow criticism of the disastrous policies and policy makers?
If a US ambassador with a Southern accent had screwed up then he would be lampooned by the MSM and so would his group for allowing such an oaf to reach such a high level. Who/what caused the phrases DWM-dead white male or even WASPs to gain currency....but when a MOT screws up the guns of satire fall silent on the perp, and are aimed at those who would liketo probe the reasons for the cock-up.
The Ukrainian opposition is led by the boxer Klitschko, the west Ukrainian ultra-nationalist Tyahnibok and a man named Yatseniuk, who is said to be ethnically, but not religiously Jewish. The main point Nuland makes in that conversation is that Yatseniuk (whom she calls Yats) should be in the future Ukrainian government, but Klitschko and Tagnebok shouldn't be.
ReplyDeleteYes, it's totally a Jewish conspiracy to put the anti-Semitic Ukrainian nationalists in power.
ReplyDeleteOf course, Occam's razor suggests that Ms. Nuland is just reflecting the retarded Western consensus, held by countless WASP intellectuals and officials, that it is a matter of great importance to thwart Putin's reasonable ambitions in Ukraine.
Why is it surprising that a group of individuals with an average IQ a standard deviation about the national average, who immigrated to the center of power (Northeastern seaboard) and did well enough never to have to leave, holds a disproportionate amount of influence to their numbers? It's mundane and obvious.
Also, the surge, which the Kagans helped formulate, did work, didn't it?
ReplyDeleteHere's the tapped conversation.
ReplyDeletewell, when jews were pacifists, its because they were fellow travelers with a foreign power hostile to the continued existence of our country. Now that they moved "right-wing" (global war against every traditional society in order to spread the blessings of gay marriage and unhinged usury), they are again taking a stance to benefit a foreign country contra american interests.
ReplyDeletewhat would be the fate of a US diplomat who, exasperated by the illegal WBank settlements said "F**K Israel" or "f**K AIPAC"......my bet is that no one, even in private conversation on a phone, would dare utter that phrase b/c the stakes for the speaker are just too high.
ReplyDelete"During the Bill Clinton administration, Nuland was chief of staff to Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott..."
ReplyDeleteThe Deputy Secretary of State has his own chief of staff?
"During the George W. Bush administration, she served as the principal deputy foreign policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney..."
How many deputy foreign policy advisers does the VP need?
This is part of the problem. There are too many sinecures in the federal bureaucracy, which means there isn't enough turnover. A Neutron Jack approach here of culling the bottom 10% every year might mean that Nuland would be collecting a check from the Council of Foreign Relations instead, writing an occasional WSJ op/ed at worst.
I don't hold the guy responsible for his wife--but I should.
ReplyDelete"Some commenters may have a bitter beef with the bad aspects of Jewish behavior (I myself do, and with those of black and Appalachian white behavior, too)."
ReplyDeleteDo you have a problem with the vast majority of WASPs in prominent positions who are pushing the same idiotic policies most Jews in similarly prominent positions are pushing? (e.g. John S. McCain III, Lindsey Graham, John Forbes Kerry, etc.)
"What's the point of all this Juden-angst? If these folks were WASP's, Steve wouldn't be dog-whistling like this."
ReplyDeleteDid Sailer cheer wasps Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld on Iraq?
And why is Nuland so invested in Ukraine? For the good of Ukrainians? For the good of Americans? Or for the good of the tribe?
Ukraine has a TFR of 1.29, Russia is at 1.61 (including non-Russians).
ReplyDeleteBye bye both.
They still have tens of millions of people. Israel has a lot fewer people, and a lot more enemies, more and more of which will have nukes and other major weapons. As far as long term survival goes, I'd put my money on the Ukrainians and Russians.
Of course, Occam's razor suggests that Ms. Nuland is just reflecting the retarded Western consensus, held by countless WASP intellectuals and officials, that it is a matter of great importance to thwart Putin's reasonable ambitions in Ukraine.
ReplyDeleteName these "countless WASP intellectuals and officials." Name names.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arseniy_Yatsenyuk#2010_presidential_election
ReplyDelete"During the election campaign fellow candidate Serhiy Ratushniak repeatedly insulted Yatsenyuk because of his alleged Jewish roots, among others Ratushniak called Yatsenyuk an 'impudent little Jew' who was 'successfully serving the thieves who are in power in Ukraine and is using criminal money to plough ahead towards Ukraine's presidency'."
Lol
"Steve's right - Ukraine is not hugely crucial to America's national interests."
ReplyDeleteWhich America? Israel isn't crucial to OUR interest either but it's very crucial to those who rule America.
"Ukraine has a TFR of 1.29, Russia is at 1.61 (including non-Russians).
ReplyDeleteBye bye both."
Meanwhile, Western countries are being swamped by Third World immigrants.
Ukraine and Russia may have declining populations but at least the Ukrainians and Russians will remain majorities in their own countries for the foreseeable future. Most Western countries are suffering from both low TFRs and displacement-level immigration.
"Hunsdon asked: Is there anything to the political right besides being pro-military, and if so, do the Kagans exemplify it?"
ReplyDeleteThey are pro Western civ, sans Christianity and white nationalism, naturally. This is significant progress. Also, kudos to them for breeding within the tribe and avoiding regression to the mean, this is highly atypical for elite Ashkenazim. Donald Kagan's undergrad CLCV 205: Introduction to Ancient Greek History is on Yale open courses. The lectures are pretty reactionary given the environment on campus, and he knows it, at times the tension in the lecture hall is palpable. Unfortunately, he rejects out of hand the possibility that the achievements of the ancient Greeks that emerged from the cataclysms of the dark ages may be related to genetics, but other than that, it's a good course.
http://forward.com/articles/191988/is-the-jewish-swindler-ready-for-his-close-up/
ReplyDeleteWhat’s more uncomfortable, they’re both about real people. “The Wolf of Wall Street” is based on a memoir by the very real Jordan Belfort, who recruited a small army, he wrote, of “the most savage young Jews anywhere on Long Island” to man his crooked brokerage. “American Hustle” is a fictionalized version of Abscam, the 1970s FBI sting run by another real Jewish con man, Mel Weinberg. This stuff isn’t made up.
True, neither film features a villain on the scale of Bernie Madoff. For his story, watch a third Oscar nominee, “Blue Jasmine,” loosely built around a Madoff-type swindler played by Alec Baldwin. Its characters aren’t Jewish. But, hey, it’s made by Woody Allen. Enough said.
Read more: http://forward.com/articles/191988/is-the-jewish-swindler-ready-for-his-close-up/?p=all#ixzz2shsbCMrU
It's mundane and obvious.
ReplyDeleteIt is mundane and obvious that people who don't want to assimilate and who have their own ethnic interests that they maintain do have to be watched closely when acting in positions of power relating to us all.
It's mundane and obvious that they will often be tempted to pursue their own interests, not ours. So get used to it. And enough of the "nothing to see here" card... it's mundane and obvious.
when they finally begin to move toward the political right and become pro-military, they are... a hostile un-American clique.
ReplyDelete"Pro-military," aka starting wars for the benefit of Israel.
Look pal, why don't you just come right out and say that you believe Jewish power must never, under any circumstances be critiqued? That's obviously what you want.
Why is it surprising that a group of individuals with an average IQ a standard deviation about the national average, who immigrated to the center of power (Northeastern seaboard) and did well enough never to have to leave, holds a disproportionate amount of influence to their numbers? It's mundane and obvious.
ReplyDeleteI know. It's just so tiresome to read the New York Times and Washington Post and listen to CNN blathering on and on and on about the machinations of the Jewish power elite. Everybody knows this stuff. Get some new material already, sheesh.
The hasbara boys don't have the law (general principles) or the facts on their side. So they pound the table.
ReplyDeleteAlso referred to in the conservation was the role (in the plan of Nudelman and her boss Kohn to bring Yatsenyuk into the government) of UN undersecretary general Jeffrey Feltman.
ReplyDeleteSteve Sailer's point is that it's convenient that one family (the Kagans) are tremendously powerful on both sides of the political aisle. When a Republican wins, they become foreign policy advisers. When a Democrat wins, they become foreign policy advisers. When they screw up, they face no ramifications and continue to be foreign policy advisers.
ReplyDeleteHow can we expect change when the same people continue to dominate both parties and are never held to account?
The Ukraine is very important to the U.S. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9FS1bxaGTg.
ReplyDelete"Of course, Occam's razor suggests that Ms. Nuland is just reflecting the retarded Western consensus, held by countless WASP intellectuals and officials, that it is a matter of great importance to thwart Putin's reasonable ambitions in Ukraine."
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I wonder what they have against Klitschko? If she's married to a man named Kagan why doesn't she at least carry his name in a hyphenated form? Is it because she's some ultra modern woman or is it to obscure the connection between them? Nuland itself is a fake name to boot. Something shifty about all this. Rather profane as well; not quite all they seem to be on the surface.
ReplyDelete"Seahawks are winning " Actually the US offensive squad has been losing everywhere pretty badly. The best they have done is a possible draw in Afghanistan, if all goes well. So a better explanation is they are looking for a win somewhere, even if somewhere is Ukraine.
ReplyDeleteThis also has something to do with the NATO expansion scheme that fell off the rails with the rather insane Georgia vs Russia war. Who thought that one up?
Also worth noting is that there is a tremendous incentive to run out the pension clock. So these people need to stay employed for 20 years.
I guess that having Eastern European antecedents makes one more Eastern European focussed and if one is Jewish perhaps focussed with a jaundiced eye
ReplyDeleteUnderstandable really -being of Anglo-Celt origins I tend to keep an eye on countries which have historically been of this disposition
The issue here is really that if The American Ruling Class was truly representative of The Nation it just might be a tad different
ReplyDeleteWhat, exactly, are U.S. interests vis-à-vis the Ukraine and Putin/Russia? Let us pray that these interests are not shaped by neocons, as neocons are nothing more than globalist Wilsonian democracy-spreading liberal wolves in wolves clothing (other liberals being wolves in sheep's clothing). If Nuland's - and the U.S.'s - objective is merely to promote the attainment of neocon liberals' desiderata, then that objective is inherently harmful to and undesirable for Americans and for the U.S., because that objective has nothing to do with Realpolitik and everything to do with liberal globalist utopianism, for whose desiderata the neocons are ever keen to sacrifice Americans' lives, livelihoods, national identity, culture, social capital, tax dollars, the Constitution, and anything else that will perpetuate and enlarge their power in the globalist utopia racket.
One thing is for sure: Nuland is no Bismarck, and neither is any one, or more, of the U.S.'s or Europe's big shots., which goes a long way to explain our current predicament in being the involuntary victims of globalist power elite-imposed national suicide.
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ReplyDeleteSteve, let's focus on sunny Southern California memories. You and I both know it happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDIBMaCTwFw
"Of course, Occam's razor suggests that Ms. Nuland is just reflecting the retarded Western Consensus ... that it is a matter of great importance to thwart Putin's reasonable ambitions in Ukraine."
ReplyDeleteI don't know what you mean with "the West" - but here in Europe we definitely don't want a new Cold War, mass armament
etc. We think that Putin was right to restrict the oligarchs and we don't want to fight for the return of oligarchy in Russia.
Who else could benefit from a Ukraine more independent of Russia?
ReplyDeletehttp://rt.com/business/ukraine-yanukovych-china-trip-647/
"Putin restrict the oligarchs". That's funny.
ReplyDeleteThey are pro Western civ, sans Christianity and white nationalism, naturally. This is significant progress. Also, kudos to them for breeding within the tribe and avoiding regression to the mean, this is highly atypical for elite Ashkenazim. Donald Kagan's undergrad CLCV 205: Introduction to Ancient Greek History is on Yale open courses. The lectures are pretty reactionary given the environment on campus, and he knows it, at times the tension in the lecture hall is palpable. Unfortunately, he rejects out of hand the possibility that the achievements of the ancient Greeks that emerged from the cataclysms of the dark ages may be related to genetics, but other than that, it's a good course.
ReplyDeleteIt's not progress. It's neoconservatism. The "Kaganites" are "pro-Western Civ" in the ideological flavor of "Western Civ" they construct. Just like the neocons are "pro-America" in the highly ideological "America" they construct.
"Name these "countless WASP intellectuals and officials." Name names."
ReplyDeleteJohn Kerry, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Dick Durbin.
http://www.defense.gov/News/NewsArticle.aspx?ID=121329
Hey, even your hero, Chuck "F**k Israel" Hagel, is meddling with the affairs of a sovereign country, just like Victoria Nuland.
It's a strange fact that US foreign policy is largely being made by 5 ft nothing, menopausal, Yiddische mommas, who have probably never wielding anything more lethal than a broom-handle in their lives.
ReplyDeleteCompare and contrast to Victorian Britain in its pomp. Granted the head of state was a 5ft nothing menopausal woman, but the actual tough, determined, hard men, who conquered a quarter of the globe were of a distinct breed. The brains behind the operation, Oxbridge men, veresed in the pieties of the C of E, certainly knew their onions, raised in the hot-houses of the public schools and on tales of the classics they knew what the game was, and their place in it. The fighters, the great soldiers and sailors were of a similiar breed, they had an instinctive knowledge of strength, dominance and arrogance.
And the warriors actually fought. Those who pompously formulated policy weren't to far removed from the saber, the lance and the fuzzy-wuzzy, rather like th ancient Greek heroes whom they so admired, they were the payers, the game changers and the conquerors in an age that really differed very little from ancient history.
- And what has 'progress' given us today? 5ft nothing grannies calling the shots.
"I know. It's just so tiresome to read the New York Times and Washington Post and listen to CNN blathering on and on and on about the machinations of the Jewish power elite. Everybody knows this stuff. Get some new material already, sheesh."
ReplyDeleteCan you explain how the machinations of the Jewish power elite differ from the machinations of the WASP liberal power elite?
Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete"Putin restrict the oligarchs". That's funny.
2/8/14, 12:56 AM
Ask the Magi Khodorkovsky and Gusinsky (and Berezovsky if you have an Ouija board) whether they feel unrestricted.
Mass non-white immigration and forced assimilation in all white countries and only in white countries won't just happen, because Putin isn't pushing it. Ukraine has to be forced to play by EU rules.
ReplyDeleteAnd in case there's any concern that purely goyish Ukrainians might have a sentimental preference for the continued existence of Ukrainians, put Yats in charge.
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteTell me again why Southern and Mid-Western Whites encourage their sons to go get blown to bit, supporting these "elites" in the US Gov't, who obviously have contempt for them?
2/7/14, 7:41 PM"
Cos their preachers fill them with fake evangelical crap about Rapture and The Apple of God's Eye and such nonsense.
""Name these "countless WASP intellectuals and officials." Name names."
ReplyDeleteJohn Kerry, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Dick Durbin.""
None of those are intellectuals, they are however all well known to be champion fellators of AIPAC and actively support laws that support ever the shrinking WASP populations.
"Tell me again why Southern and Mid-Western Whites encourage their sons to go get blown to bit, supporting these "elites" in the US Gov't, who obviously have contempt for them?"
ReplyDeleteIt can simply be put down to complete stupidity, they think that the army is still supposed to represent conservative values.
"Can you explain how the machinations of the Jewish power elite differ from the machinations of the WASP liberal power elite?"
ReplyDeleteThe Jewish power elite do everything that is beneficial for Jews and Israel and openly can say good things about Jews. The WASP elite do everything that is bad for whites and NEVER say anything good about whites (prove me wrong, when was the last time any politician said anything positive about whites). Also the Jewish power elite do not prostrate themselves to WASPs, WASPS can only be allowed to have power if they prostrate themselves to Jewish power elite.
See the difference now ?
"Tell me again why Southern and Mid-Western Whites encourage their sons to go get blown to bit"
ReplyDeleteVA benefits, especially health.
The feeling of belonging to something.
Anonydroid at 8:34 PM said: Also, the surge, which the Kagans helped formulate, did work, didn't it?
ReplyDeleteHunsdon asked: In all honesty, you are joking, aren't you?
Anonydroid at 9:12 asked: Do you have a problem with the vast majority of WASPs in prominent positions who are pushing the same idiotic policies most Jews in similarly prominent positions are pushing? (e.g. John S. McCain III, Lindsey Graham, John Forbes Kerry, etc.)
Hunsdon said: Yes.
Ambacti said: Also, kudos to them for breeding within the tribe and avoiding regression to the mean, this is highly atypical for elite Ashkenazim.
Hunsdon said: If only there was a place, you know, for the Ashkenazi elite, where their concerns for tribal purity would reflect only upon the tribe.
Ambacti said: They are pro Western civ, sans Christianity and white nationalism, naturally.
ReplyDeleteHunsdon said: Are Israelis white for the purposes of the Kagans' opposition to white nationalism?
Anonydroid at 1:28 PM said: Compare and contrast to Victorian Britain in its pomp. Granted the head of state was a 5ft nothing menopausal woman, but the actual tough, determined, hard men, who conquered a quarter of the globe were of a distinct breed. The brains behind the operation, Oxbridge men, veresed in the pieties of the C of E, certainly knew their onions, raised in the hot-houses of the public schools and on tales of the classics they knew what the game was, and their place in it. The fighters, the great soldiers and sailors were of a similiar breed, they had an instinctive knowledge of strength, dominance and arrogance.
ReplyDeleteAnd the warriors actually fought. Those who pompously formulated policy weren't to far removed from the saber, the lance and the fuzzy-wuzzy, rather like th ancient Greek heroes whom they so admired, they were the payers, the game changers and the conquerors in an age that really differed very little from ancient history.
Hunsdon said: Hear him, hear him.
"Name these "countless WASP intellectuals and officials." Name names."
ReplyDeleteJohn Kerry, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Dick Durbin.
Not one of those mopes could be considered an intellectual on his best day. And,FWIW,Kerry is half-Jewish.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/10622778/Iranian-women-footballers-to-undergo-gender-tests.html
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ReplyDeleteThe main point Nuland makes in that conversation is that Yatseniuk (whom she calls Yats) should be in the future Ukrainian government, but Klitschko and Tagnebok shouldn't be.
ReplyDeleteAnd just as important, whom do Klitschko and Tagnebok think should be our next president?
"So, if the 2016 election is between, say, Hillary Clinton and Paul Ryan, she won't be sweating about whether or not she'll have a job in 2017."
ReplyDeleteWhat's the alternative? We shoot the losers after each election? Every country has elites, it's unavoidable. And a good thing too.
Her father is surgeon and Yale medical school professor Sherwin Nuland, author of the bestseller How We Die.
ReplyDeleteFrom Wikipedia:
Nuland was born in The Bronx, New York City, in December 1930 to immigrant Jewish parents Meyer and Vitsche Nudelman. Although raised in a traditional Orthodox Jewish home, Sherwin now considers himself agnostic, but continues to attend synagogue.
What's the point of all this Juden-angst? If these folks were WASP's, Steve wouldn't be dog-whistling like this.
ReplyDeleteIf he were "dog-whistling" over WASPs, no one would object (no amount of repetition seems to drive this point home, does it?).
When Jews are pacifists, they are declared a hostile un-American clique; when they finally begin to move toward the political right and become pro-military, they are... a hostile un-American clique. Why don't you just come out and say that you believe Jews should be banned from public service?
Jewish pacifists in gov't, Jewish warmongers in gov't, great. How about the anti-Israel Jews? Or pro-Israel ones who acknowledge white "gentiles'" right to have for themselves what Jews have for themselves in Israel? Either will do.
Jewish pacifists don't seem to get much done vis-a-vis Israeli aggresion. Jewish warmongers don't seem to think care about any warmongering but the Jewish kind.
I didn't know Boehner was a Jew. Or did you not read that post from earlier today?
Yeah but that's stuff's always about pols betraying their own people and stabbing them in the back. The Jew stuff's always about Jews doing the right thing for Jewry.
The Ukrainian opposition is led by the boxer Klitschko, the west Ukrainian ultra-nationalist Tyahnibok and a man named Yatseniuk, who is said to be ethnically, but not religiously Jewish. The main point Nuland makes in that conversation is that Yatseniuk (whom she calls Yats) should be in the future Ukrainian government, but Klitschko and Tagnebok shouldn't be.
See? Predictive power.
Yes, it's totally a Jewish conspiracy to put the anti-Semitic Ukrainian nationalists in power.
Of course, Occam's razor suggests that Ms. Nuland is just reflecting the retarded Western consensus, held by countless WASP intellectuals and officials, that it is a matter of great importance to thwart Putin's reasonable ambitions in Ukraine.
[MERIT!!!] It's mundane and obvious.
(Occam's Razor suggests Jooz pursuing Jooish interests.)
If Jews were mundane, they'd try to avoid the appearance of impropriety.
(And I'm not sure, but calling the American political consensus "retarded" might be anti-semitic.)
Do you have a problem with the vast majority of WASPs in prominent positions who are pushing the same idiotic policies most Jews in similarly prominent positions are pushing? (e.g. John S. McCain III, Lindsey Graham, John Forbes Kerry, etc.)
The distinction between "we should have an ethnic homeland, and you should not" and "you should have an ethnic homeland, and we should not" is a subtle, but important one.
Can you explain how the machinations of the Jewish power elite differ from the machinations of the WASP liberal power elite?
Sure:
"We must have a homeland, and you must not," vs. "you must have a homeland, and we must not." Roughly similar to the difference between National Socialism and communism.
Back in the bad old days of the Soviet Union, a remote and insanely leftist regime ruled the Ukraine via a cynical, bloodstained apparatchik named Kaganovich.
ReplyDeleteThings are completely different in Brave New Ukraine.
Now a remote and insanely leftist regime rules the Ukraine via a cynical, bloodstained apparatchik named Kagan.
I noticed Nuland in February 2012, on hearing her CSPAN-broadcast State Dept. briefing about the arrest of U.S. staffers of NGOs active in Egyptian politics.
ReplyDeleteHer explanations of the official U.S. government stance were pitch-perfect: ill-informed, patronizing, hectoring, and schoolmarmish, with an overlay of old-fashioned imperialist cant. If the intent was to offend patriotic Egyptians across their political spectrum: Mission Accomplished.
Nuland's use of the first person plural was particularly apt: We continue to make progress advancing our Arab Spring movement; We must ensure that these arrests won't hinder the progress we have made in delivering human rights to all Egyptians.
On and on.
Maybe another commenter can locate the transcript; it was a classic.
Interestingly, it proved impossible to find a contact form or email address by which to reach Ms. Nuland. It's not as though the little people ought to be listened to, anyway.
Can you explain how the machinations of the Jewish power elite differ from the machinations of the WASP liberal power elite?
ReplyDeleteYeah, the Jewish power elite is pursuing its self-interest, while the WASP liberal power elite is pursuing another tribe's self-interest.
Of course, Occam's razor suggests that Ms. Nuland is just reflecting the retarded Western consensus....
No, Ockham's razor suggests that a person who appears to be pursuing her self-interest in fact intends to pursue her self-interest. The "retarded Western consensus" has a source, and that source is people like the Kagans and Nuands.
"Can you explain how the machinations of the Jewish power elite differ from the machinations of the WASP liberal power elite?"
ReplyDeleteI always kinda wondered about that myself. The mostly WASP Wall Street of the 20s did even more damage than the heavily-Jewish Wall Street of the 80s and 2000s, and Woodrow Wilson didn't need any Jews to drag him into an idiotic war.
I agree the country's declining, but how much of that is the natural tendency of other countries to catch up after WW2? The real problem, IMHO, is the concentration of power in the hands of the wealthy, which conservatives always support. They then screw the black and white poor alike.
White commits Hate Crime in Cedarhurst?. Don't worry, despite all the charges, Jonathan, a rabbinical student from neighboring Far Rockaway, will be forgiven on the basis of being motivated by preserving the "Never Forget" meme so necessary for tribal unity. The local newspaper even neglects to mention his religion.
ReplyDeleteCedarhurst is where you never have to defend your lack of diversity - even to The Times.
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http://standpointmag.co.uk/film-january-february-14-right-on-the-money-peter-whittle-se7en
Is "Kagan" also a made-up name shortened from "Kagonovich?"
ReplyDeleteThe leaking of this tape is a yet another PR success for Putin. The leaders of the opposition in the Ukraine, Yatsenyuk especially, were shown to be US neocon stooges. Jay Carney has basically confirmed that the tape is real - monumental stupidity. I couldn't believe it when I saw it. The smart thing for him and his bosses to do was to leave some doubt, to let people think that Putin's or Yanukovich's or Klitcshko's guys might have created this tape in a studio, i.e. faked it.
ReplyDeleteWhy did Carney instead admit that the tape is real? To make the most idiotically inept rhetorical point imaginable for someone in his situation, namely to accuse Russia of phone-tapping. The worst phone-tapper in human history, the US government, has just accused someone else of tapping its phones.
It is so rare in life to see the good guys being better at PR than the crooks, but Putin has demonstrated it again and again. He makes them look not just evil, but stupid. It's as if I'm watching a cartoon, not real life.
If Carney didn't admit that the tape is real, I would have surely doubted its authenticity.
Can you explain how the machinations of the Jewish power elite differ from the machinations of the WASP liberal power elite?
ReplyDeleteYou're about 30 years out of date:
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-KaufmannII.html#JI
(...)
Kaufmann charts the decline of Anglo-Saxons and the rise of the Jews in all areas of the American elite, from university departments of Political Science to the federal civil service. “For twenty years, the de-WASP-ing of the ruling elite in America has proceeded at a breathtaking pace.” Kaufmann cites the important study of Lerner et al. (American Elites, 1996) showing that Jews were highly overrepresented in several areas of the elite, especially in the media and the legal profession. Jews outnumbered Anglo-Saxons 58–21 among elites in television, 48 to 25 among “public interest” elites, and 40 to 21 among legal elites. The same study found that, “in stark contrast to the Jews, WASPs were not overrepresented within the ranks of the national elite.” Frank Salter has shown that on issues of concern to the Jewish community (Israel, immigration, ethnic policy in general), Jewish groups have four times the influence of European Americans despite representing approximately 2.5% of the population.
These are very high overrepresentations indeed. White Protestants became underrepresented in corporate elites by the 1980s
(...)
Tell me again why Southern and Mid-Western Whites encourage their sons to go get blown to bit, supporting these "elites" in the US Gov't, who obviously have contempt for them?
ReplyDeleteMany of them don't. Their sons decide to join the military, so the families support them and are proud of them because they're showing courage and following tradition. It has little to do with whom they're fighting for or against at a given time.
A significant percentage of young men have always been attracted to military service. Imagine what it was like before the advent of mass media. When a young man from the outskirts of Rome joined the legions and wound up fighting under Julius Caesar, do you think he had any idea what the geopolitical situation was in Gaul? Of course not. He wanted to go fight and prove something to himself.
It's just something young guys do, in other words, if they live in societies where it hasn't been denigrated.
The guy in 12 Yrs a Slave is of African origin, which means his ancestors sold slaves to whites and Arabs and profited mightily from it.
ReplyDeleteSo, why does he get to play the victim when his kind should be apologizing?
But then, Obama has no black American ancestry but he acts like he's the heir to the memory of Selma.
This is like a German hogging sympathy for the suffering of Poles since both Germans and Poles are white.
Black Africans sold black Africans, but even descendants of black Africans who captured and sold slaves play 'victim'.
But even Polish-Americans who arrived in the 20th century must share 'white guilt'.
There are about 500 Jews in the military, so that means there are more Jews in think tanks than in actual tanks. If Jews are going to be the dominant elite, isn't that going to have to change? Bill Kristol and Michael Ledeen's sons are in the military, so that's two.
ReplyDeleteCan you explain how the machinations of the Jewish power elite differ from the machinations of the WASP liberal power elite?
ReplyDeleteYes...and no.
I'm willing to admit this is an effective response given present-day considerations, and it's completely understandable you'd (or anyone would) latch onto it. I have no doubt there are substantial (read: enormous) differences in motivation, but these are subject to the usual strictures regarding...sigh..."anti-Semitism."
Objectively - that is, completely bracketing out my own personal feelings - my take is that the JPE, if it's to retain its moral standing in anything like its present form, will have to make concessions both regarding Israel - as is already being done (see: "J-Street," but it doesn't yet go far enough) - as well as white identity and the issue of Jewish influence, the latter which will be a be much, much tougher hurdle.
And yet, the "difficulty" regarding the latter is far more psychological than it is practical. These are deep-seated patterns of thought with a storied and painful history behind them, but speculatively looking forward to a day when the present taboos are critically weakened the earlier the JPE positions itself on the side of "Whites are people too" the more effective its future advocacy will prove. There is sufficient "material" in western history to "explain away," so to speak (and I'm only being partially facetious), policies undertaken over the last fifty years, but unless a "pro-white" stance is assumed at some point I can see only trouble in the offing.
The Russian Wikipedia states that Yatsenyuk (Yats on the tape) was included in a publication called "The 50 Best-Known Jews in Ukraine" put out by the Ukrainian Academy of Jewish History and Culture in September of 2009. It then quotes one Jewish leader in Ukraine stating that he's heard that Yatsenyuk is partially Jewish and another stating that Yatesnyuk is not Jewish. Yatsenyuk has stated that his parents are Ukrainian and that he's a member of the Greco-Catholic church. This sounds like it could be a legalistic, politically-charged dispute about mixed parentage.
ReplyDeleteYou probably should have mentioned that Ukraine is probably the most anti-Semitic nation on earth.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was working in San Francisco at a telecommunications firm established by Russian Jewish immigrants, most of my staff were Ukrainians. The rest were all Russians. They wanted an American supervisor to keep the peace.
I couldn't understand the deep hatred that everyone seemed to have for each other until one of my sweet natured Ukrainian coders opened up about his view of Jews. He revealed a very deep and nasty streak.
The Germans killed maybe six million Jews but the Soviets possibly killed even more Ukrainians. And since so many Communist leaders were Jews, many Ukrainians think they were starved to death by the Jews.
There are a couple Ukrainian anti-Semitic web sites where you can get a taste of their viewpoint. It isn't pretty.
Albertosaurus
Nuland's real name is Nudelman.
ReplyDeleteWhich America? Israel isn't crucial to OUR interest either but it's very crucial to those who rule America.
ReplyDeleteNeither "Israel" nor "Palestine" is crucial to American interest, but the 70% of Americans who still celebrate Christmas and Easter-- I realize you don't, but traditionally the figure has been even higher-- do care about the fate of "the Holy Land" and the towns therein where the events they commemorate took place.
The issue boils down to which group of Semites will control the place. Sadly, the Christian group is a distant third, and sinking. And too many of them identify with the peninsular invaders rather than their own ancestors.
Let me see if I've got this ISteve commenter perspective right.
ReplyDeleteThe Holodomor has been underemphasised (everyone knows why) but it couldn't have happened because NKVD/KGB officers are just wonderful people when in charge of a country.
John Demjanjuk, neocon, was absolutely not guilty but he was part of a group of terrible murderers.
I think I've got this right.
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteWhat's the point of all this Juden-angst? If these folks were WASP's, Steve wouldn't be dog-whistling like this. When Jews are pacifists, they are declared a hostile un-American clique..."
"When Jews are pacifists,....."
And just when was that, exactly?
"Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteDo you have a problem with the vast majority of WASPs in prominent positions who are pushing the same idiotic policies most Jews in similarly prominent positions are pushing? (e.g. John S. McCain III, Lindsey Graham, John Forbes Kerry, etc.)"
John Kerry is not exactly a Mayflower descendent.
Anyway, do YOU have a problem with an Israeli-founded (and Mossad-connected) company - AmDocs - having access to virtually ALL the phone records of John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and John Forbes Kerry? If somebody had a record of whom, when, and how often John McCain had telephoned somebody (John Keating, for example, or agents of the Vietnamese government), or whom, when, and how often Lindsey Graham had telephoned somebody (a stock-broker or a male prostitute, for example), might that not explain a little bit about the voting record of those two selfless servants of the American people?
From Wikipedia's bio of Robert Kagan:
ReplyDelete"In 1997 he co-founded and served as a director for the now-defunct Project for the New American Century."
Defunct? Hardly. It's mission goes on.
Can you explain how the machinations of the Jewish power elite differ from the machinations of the WASP liberal power elite?
ReplyDeleteOne is allowed to freely criticise WASPs qua WASPs, for starters.
Are any of these Kagans related to one of the current justices of our Supreme Court (well, not really "our" Supreme Court, but anyway).
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ReplyDeleteTell me again why Southern and Mid-Western Whites encourage their sons to go get blown to bit, supporting these "elites" in the US Gov't, who obviously have contempt for them?"
Increasingly, they're doing it because it's the only job they can find.
John Kerry, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Dick Durbin.
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Hey, even your hero, Chuck "F**k Israel" Hagel, is meddling with the affairs of a sovereign country, just like Victoria Nuland.
Durbin is Irish/Lithuanian Catholic. Kerry is Jewish and Catholic by religion. Hagel is a Midwestern, German/Irish/Polish Catholic.
Graham and McCain come closest, though they are from lower class Southern and Scotch-Irish backgrounds as well.
"Mr Drab said...
ReplyDeleteSteve's right - Ukraine is not hugely crucial to America's national interests."
America's national interests are not crucial to the interests of America's foreign-policy elite.
"It's a strange fact that US foreign policy is largely being made by 5 ft nothing, menopausal, Yiddische mommas, who have probably never wielding anything more lethal than a broom-handle in their lives."
ReplyDeleteDo we know how tall Ms. Nuland is? Wikipedia should start adding height stats.
And what about the other party in her recorded conversation, the US Ambassador to [the] Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt? Yiddische as well? The surname "Pyatt" is apparently of French origin, but perhaps one of Jeff's recent ancestors changed it from Pyman?
Also, how tall is Pyatt? And do we know the most lethal implement he has ever wielded? Maybe he fenced at some point, growing up in La Jolla?
Steve, you've blogged before about how the Indians are terrible at Olympics. Did you catch the Indian luger who did terribly:
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Permanent Government is an apt label
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Ukraine may seem unimportant, but I can see how this could get out of hand in a very, very bad way. Ukraine has a sizable Russian minority; the Crimea and the provinces bordering Russia in the east are in fact majority Russian-speaking. I could see Ukraine splitting up as a result. What happens if the pro-Western faction takes over, and the pro-Russian faction decides they want to split off? Suppose the pro-Western faction decides to use force to keep Ukraine together. Then Russia invades under the pretext of "protecting" their fellow Russians. Would the West merely howl in protest like they did with Georgia, or would they respond with force in kind? Worse case scenario - it kicks off WW3.
ReplyDeleteBTW, it seems to me that Klitschko would be great for Ukraine to have in its government. Consider:
ReplyDelete1) He's a source of national pride for the country, as world heavyweight champ.
2) He's rich, so he's less likely to be tempted by corruption.
3) He speaks Russian, German, and English.
4) He has personal ties to Germany (where he trained, often fights, and has a large fan base), the US (same), and Russia.
5) He's smart (has a Ph.D. in sports science or something, and the Soviets were more advanced at a lot of this stuff than the West).
6) He has some political experience, having run unsuccessfully for mayor of Kiev.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nigeria-restaurant-selling-human-meat-dishes-busted-1435500
ReplyDelete12 Yrs a Supper.
The neocons hate Russian and Ukrainian nationalists equally. Whom don't they hate? They're practicing divide and rule though, and when you're doing that you have to back the weaker of the two parties. Ukrainian nationalists are weaker than Russian nationalists.
ReplyDeleteIf you're pursuing the divide and rule strategy and you back the stronger party, you're increasing the likelihood of it defeating the weaker party and then turning on you.
The dynamics of divide and rule force anyone who practices it to support the weaker of his two enemies. This is surely one of the reasons for the praise that the powers that be always heap on victimhood. If humans instinctively hate losers (and we do), how come victimhood has such an elevated place in public discourse? Divide and rule!
ReplyDelete"Do we know how tall Ms. Nuland is? Wikipedia should start adding height stats. "
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of which, the Wikipedia says that Klitschko is 6'7". Steve is tall and a nerd (not a criticism, I'm a nerd too), so perhaps he might know if there's ever been a national leader anywhere who was taller than that. Unless Nuland's oligarch allies rig the next Ukrainian election, Klitsch has a good chance.
@anonymous, 8:38 AM
ReplyDeleteCatholics have risen in power, on both the left and right. The SCOTUS has 6 Catholics (including all 5 of the 'right' justices), 0 Protestants. So yes, de-WASPing, but much of that is due to growth in Catholic representation. As partially evidenced by NRO, the mainstream conservative movement has been heavily intellectually influenced by guys like W.F. Buckley. NRO's point guy on pro-Ukrainian nationalism is naturally a Catholic, George Weigel.
So yes, less Protestants. More Catholics.
"Yeah, the Jewish power elite is pursuing its self-interest, while the WASP liberal power elite is pursuing another tribe's self-interest."
ReplyDeleteAnd what is the Jewish self-interest in the Ukraine? Bringing down a government that has been friendly to the remaining Jews there and allowed them to prosper and bringing to power a new government that has close ties to anti-Semites? Yes, clearly, Victoria Nuland is pushing the Jewish self-interest.
Tell me again why Southern and Mid-Western Whites encourage their sons to go get blown to bit, supporting these "elites" in the US Gov't, who obviously have contempt for them?"
ReplyDeleteIncreasingly, they're doing it because it's the only job they can find.
Then there's those who hold that, when the balloon goes up, you want to be the well-practiced ones who know how all the weapons work and are good at using them.
Dr. Bob Kagan also has a position on the Foreign Affairs Policy Board at State:
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Catholics have risen in power, on both the left and right.
ReplyDeleteYou sound like a throwback to the days of the Know Nothings and others who were fearful that the US would be ruled from the Vatican.
The Germans killed maybe six million Jews but the Soviets possibly killed even more Ukrainians. And since so many Communist leaders were Jews, many Ukrainians think they were starved to death by the Jews.
ReplyDeleteIt definitely wasn't a plot by Jews on behalf of Jews, but some Jews were key henchmen in the Holodomor. Interestingly, an Israeli paper actually featured an editorial, written by a Jew, owning up to it.
Ukrainians and Russians are culturally closer to one another than Chinese and Manchurian-Chinese.
ReplyDeleteSolzhenitsyn was maybe right to insist that Ukraine is part of Russia. The languages are pretty much the same.
The difference between Russian and Ukrainian is like
I rode a train and went to the post office
and
I rode a chrain and whent to the post offise.
what would be the fate of a US diplomat who, exasperated by the illegal WBank settlements said "F**K Israel" or "f**K AIPAC"......my bet is that no one, even in private conversation on a phone, would dare utter that phrase b/c the stakes for the speaker are just too high.
ReplyDeleteThe French ambassador to the UK said something similar in 2001. Though he was not sacked, he was reassigned to another post, but the French basically defended him. He was attacked in the UK, US, and of course Israel.
Here is what he said: "All the current troubles in the world are because of that shitty little country Israel." The diplomat added, "Why should the world be in danger of World War III because of those people?"
"Speaking of which, the Wikipedia says that Klitschko is 6'7". Steve is tall and a nerd (not a criticism, I'm a nerd too), so perhaps he might know if there's ever been a national leader anywhere who was taller than that."
ReplyDeleteI'm having trouble thinking of any recent ones taller than 6'5" (the former Mexican president, with Irish-American ancestry and the ridiculous mustache).
Czar Peter the Great was about 6'7" -- a skinny guy, like a 1950s basketball player.
ReplyDelete"You sound like a throwback to the days of the Know Nothings and others who were fearful that the US would be ruled from the Vatican."
ReplyDeletelol, that was not the point. I'll take rule by trad. Catholics like the Scalias and WF Buckleys over rule by the Bushes. The point was factual--white Catholics have grown in power tremendously since WWII, supplanting Protestants in much of the nation's power elite.
" while the WASP liberal power elite is pursuing another tribe's self-interest. "
ReplyDeleteYou're missing the point of half the stuff Steve writes about. White, non-Jewish elites, are pursuing their own self-interest, at the expense of middle class and poor whites. They identify with other educated, urban, irreligious people more than they do with people who share their skin color and national origin but not much else.
"what would be the fate of a US diplomat who, exasperated by the illegal WBank settlements said "F**K Israel" or "f**K AIPAC"......my bet is that no one, even in private conversation on a phone, would dare utter that phrase b/c the stakes for the speaker are just too high."
ReplyDeleteThe French ambassador to the UK said something similar in 2001. Though he was not sacked, he was reassigned to another post, but the French basically defended him. He was attacked in the UK, US, and of course Israel.
I figured the original comment was an attempt at ironic ridicule of the positions of other commenters (like me) who stress the extent of Jewish power. You, at least, think I was wrong, so I'll point out that James Baker, SOS under GHWB, said, "Fuck the Jews; they don't vote for us anyway." And he survived.
David Pinsen:"I'm having trouble thinking of any recent ones taller than 6'5" (the former Mexican president, with Irish-American ancestry and the ridiculous mustache)."
ReplyDeleteVicente Fox's ancestry:
"Vicente Fox was born in Guanajuato on July 2, 1942, the second of nine children. His father was José Luis Fox Pont, a Mexican citizen,[4] and his mother Mercedes Quesada Etxaide, was Basque from San Sebastian, Gipuzkoa, Spain. Fox's paternal grandfather was born Joseph Louis Fuchs in Cincinnati, Ohio, the son of German Catholic immigrants, Louis Fuchs and Catherina Elisabetha Flach, of Strasbourg, now in France. The "Fox" surname was changed from the German "Fuchs" during the 1870s."
Interesting to see just how purely White Fox was in terms of ancestry.
ben tillman said: I'll point out that James Baker, SOS under GHWB, said, "Fuck the Jews; they don't vote for us anyway." And he survived.
ReplyDeleteHunsdon said: Ah, Jimmy the Fix. He probably should have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize for the work he did collecting up the Soviet Union's scattered nukes.
Also, a quick note: that would be Secretary of State to (one term) President Bush. W learned his lesson well, and made sure he got reelected.
And what is the Jewish self-interest in the Ukraine? Bringing down a government that has been friendly to the remaining Jews there and allowed them to prosper and bringing to power a new government that has close ties to anti-Semites? Yes, clearly, Victoria Nuland is pushing the Jewish self-interest.
ReplyDeleteThey see Putin as the main enemy and are not concerned about the ultra-right Ukrainians. The anti-Semitic nationalists are just cannon fodder/useful idiots-they'll never get close to power. Even if West and East Ukraine separate no one "unacceptable" will be allowed into the govt of Western Ukraine. Ask the Iranians how much sanctions hurt.
bjdubbs said: Bill Kristol and Michael Ledeen's sons are in the military, so that's two.
ReplyDeleteHunsdon said: Actually, I think Michael Ledeen has at least two sons who are both (or were both) active duty in the USMC. So that's three.
Cail Corashev said: Their sons decide to join the military, so the families support them and are proud of them because they're showing courage and following tradition. It has little to do with whom they're fighting for or against at a given time.
ReplyDeleteHunsdon said: Hear him, hear him!
"Yeah, the Jewish power elite is pursuing its self-interest, while the WASP liberal power elite is pursuing another tribe's self-interest."
ReplyDeleteAnd what is the Jewish self-interest in the Ukraine?
That's quite a bait-and-switch. I have no clue and little interest in what's going on in Ukraine. My point was about these elites in general, and you can't seriously doubt that it's correct.
As for Ukraine and the contention that "Ms. Nuland is just reflecting the retarded Western consensus", the point is that that consensus is developed by the organized Jewish community to serve Jewish interests, and if she's basing her decisions on that "retarded" consensus, then she is acting to further the Jewish community's self-interest.
Anonydroid at 6:47 AM made the connection between Kaganovich and Kagan.
ReplyDeleteHunsdon: I had never made the connection. (Yes, I knew about Kaganovich, and yes, I have read a lot of twaddle from the Kagans.) I just never made the connection.
"They see Putin as the main enemy and are not concerned about the ultra-right Ukrainians. The anti-Semitic nationalists are just cannon fodder/useful idiots-they'll never get close to power."
ReplyDeleteThis is correct. And this is exactly what Ms. Nuland talked about in that tapped conversation - not letting Klitschko and Tahnyebok (the west Unkranian nationalist) get too close to power. It's a divide and rule game, and sadly the West Ukranian nationalists have fallen for it. They're accepting the devil's help to spite a neighbor.
You sound like a throwback to the days of the Know Nothings and others who were fearful that the US would be ruled from the Vatican.
ReplyDeleteYeah, as if any of the "Catholics" in US government these days would take any direction at all from the Vatican. If anything, they're proud about how often they ignore their own Church's doctrines. That's why they were appointed to their positions.
"The difference between Russian and Ukrainian is like
ReplyDeleteI rode a train and went to the post office
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I rode a chrain and whent to the post offise. "
Most of the Ukraine can be described as Russia with a provincial accent, with some areas being full-on, straight-up Russia. The westernmost 10% (or thereabouts) of the country, the area around L'viv/L'vov/Lwow/Lemburg (the Ukrainian/Russian/Polish/German names of the same city) has a culture of its own however. The locals' language is not mutually intelligible with Russian and crucially, the locals are Greco-Catholics. This is where intense Ukrainian nationalism comes from. In a fair world that area, called Galicia, would have a state of its own and the other 90% of the Ukraine would go back to Russia, but the world is not fair, so that's unlikely to happen.
The neocons use Galicians as extras for anti-Putin demonstrations in Kiev, but they don't want them in power in Ukraine. Why? Because Galicians are really, really nationalist. And religiously conservative.
You're missing the point of half the stuff Steve writes about. White, non-Jewish elites, are pursuing their own self-interest, at the expense of middle class and poor whites. They identify with other educated, urban, irreligious people more than they do with people who share their skin color and national origin but not much else.
ReplyDeleteThey're not pursuing their self-interest. Surely they think they're pursuing their self-interest, but their interest consists of the continuation of their genetic structures into the future. Such an interest is wholly incompatible with the extinction of one's race. I suggest you read Frank Salter.
"They see Putin as the main enemy and are not concerned about the ultra-right Ukrainians."
ReplyDeleteWhat is the Jews' problem with Putin? He has been rather good to them. He is, for example, politically and personally friendly with Israel's nationalistic foreign minister, Avigdor Liberman. Domestically, Jews are as safe as they have ever been in Russia, and while Khodorkovsky may not have done so well, plenty of other Jews have done very well there--Prokhorov is partially Jewish; Abramovich was given a province in the far east as his personal fiefdom; M. Fridman has become the second-wealthiest person in Russia. Shouldn't these guys tell their American co-conspirators to back off?
Or maybe its just that the thinking of elite Jews isn't colored in this matter by being Jews, but rather by being members of the American elite.
"They're not pursuing their self-interest. Surely they think they're pursuing their self-interest, but their interest consists of the continuation of their genetic structures into the future. Such an interest is wholly incompatible with the extinction of one's race. I suggest you read Frank Salter."
ReplyDeleteElite whites are doing a fine job at creating the circumstances for them to pass their genes into the future. They are marrying other elite whites with great discrimination, they are taking an ever-larger percentage of the nation's wealth, they are getting their children into IQ-selective pre-kindergartens that create the connections needed for their kids to be elite and be able to pass their genes on and so forth.
Whether some 100-IQ white couple in Ohio is able to afford having children is none of their concern. They've got nothing in common with them other than skin color. Their kids are doing fine regardless.
"Whether some 100-IQ white couple in Ohio is able to afford having children is none of their concern. They've got nothing in common with them other than skin color."
ReplyDeleteUpper middle class whites are having fewer children on average than 100-IQ whites. Billionaires are having more children than that, but they're a demographic drop in the bucket.
"Or maybe its just that the thinking of elite Jews isn't colored in this matter by being Jews, but rather by being members of the American elite."
No, most Jews in Russia are anti-Putin too. The Khodorkovsky affair, the Berezovsky affair, Russia's revival under Putin, his obvious patriotism - there's no shortage of reasons.
They are pro Western civ, sans Christianity and white nationalism, naturally.
ReplyDeleteEh? They are pro Western Civilization, but don't think much of Christianity or white people? There is nothing remotely "natural" about such a position, it's simply bizarre.
There is no Western Civ without white Christians. Not historically, and not today.
The neocons hate Russian and Ukrainian nationalists equally. Whom don't they hate?
ReplyDeleteThe neocons hate all nationalisms. Except, naturally, Jewish nationalism.
All countries will have a leadership elite but a High IQ / Low Stewardship elite is the worst possible combination.
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"You probably should have mentioned that Ukraine is probably the most anti-Semitic nation on earth."
The Bolsheviks murdered millions of Ukrainians in the 1930s. It was one of the things that brought Hitler to power.
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"And what is the Jewish self-interest in the Ukraine?"
Putin.
After the Berlin wall fell the US sent "advisers" to help Russia's transition to a free market economy. Those advisers looted and sold Russia's mineral wealth to the Jewish oligarchs.
Putin managed to grab some of it back and chase the oligarchs out.
Ever since the US government and media have been waging war on Russia and Putin.
(including supporting Chechen terrorist groups)
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The difference between the Jewish and non-Jewish members of the power elite is that the non-Jews can follow their *individual* self interest but not their group / tribal self interest.
Yet in Sailer's mind the great paleo hope Barry O (see any 2009-2010 era issue of The American Conservative for reference) stands somehow "against" the Nuland-Kagans of Beltwaytopia. Of course our crypto-realist Prez never seems to stop them from doing whatever they want anyway, but his sentiments have remained in the right place.
ReplyDeleteIn defense of Steve he got off the Obama train before even Pat B did. It is quite clear that TAC demands support of Obamite foreign policy as a condition of employment. Once Steve parted ways with TAC he dropped that line.
ReplyDeleteHere's someone who seems to know what he's talking about re Ukraine:
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Yes, the levels of hate for ‘banderovtsy’ (Ukrainian nationalists) in the East and in Crimea are very high. Never mind that it was their own robber barons who dismantled their industry etc. and who now compose the Ukrainian government. Russia’s propaganda machine contributes to this a lot, as most people there watch Russian TV channels. The volume and level of propaganda pouring out of the latter is quite astonishing. For instance, they simultaneously introduce the pejorative ‘zhydobanderovtsy’ (zhyd = Jew) and accuse historical ‘banderovtsy’ of rampant anti-semitism.
As for federation, that isn’t going to work unless the top-level law is credible and enforced fairly. As things stand, there is almost no trust on either side, so prospects are dim. Still, many people even among nationalists would agree with you, at least tentatively and privately. The problem is that the nationalists have no say on the official level. They demanded a seat at the negotiation table (reasonable in view of what I wrote above, I think) and were turned down by both sides.
Yeah, as if any of the "Catholics" in US government these days would take any direction at all from the Vatican. If anything, they're proud about how often they ignore their own Church's doctrines. That's why they were appointed to their positions.
ReplyDeleteYeah, that's what I was alluding to when I wrote that.
Or maybe its just that the thinking of elite Jews isn't colored in this matter by being Jews, but rather by being members of the American elite.
ReplyDeleteJews have not always and everywhere constituted a monolithic bloc on every issue; see the diasporist/zionist divide for an example.
"Is "Kagan" also a made-up name shortened from "Kagonovich"
ReplyDeleteNo it isn"t, Kagan is how common jewish name Cohen is transliterated into russian, Kaganovich is patronymic of Kagan
They're not pursuing their self-interest. Surely they think they're pursuing their self-interest, but their interest consists of the continuation of their genetic structures into the future. Such an interest is wholly incompatible with the extinction of one's race. I suggest you read Frank Salter.
ReplyDeleteThey may not be pursuing their self-interest, but it certainly isn't the case that individual self-interest is identical to group interest. Salter is good but you need a wider grasp of evolutionary biology.
Kerry is Jewish and Catholic by religion
ReplyDeleteKerry is half-Jewish. His mother, Rosemary Forbes, was the daughter of James Grant Forbes and Margaret Tyndal Winthrop. His Winthrop grandmother was descended from John Winthrop, the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony who came over on the Arabella in 1630.
Speaking of which, the Wikipedia says that Klitschko is 6'7". Steve is tall and a nerd (not a criticism, I'm a nerd too), so perhaps he might know if there's ever been a national leader anywhere who was taller than that. Unless Nuland's oligarch allies rig the next Ukrainian election, Klitsch has a good chance.
ReplyDeleteAt 6'7" he matches the famously tall Charles de Gaulle. But Vere Bird, first prime minister of Antigua and Barbuda, overshadowed both at 6'8".
James Baker, SOS under GHWB, said, "Fuck the Jews; they don't vote for us anyway." And he survived.
ReplyDeleteWasn't that Nixon? or is this a theme in US politics?
"Jews have not always and everywhere constituted a monolithic bloc on every issue; see the diasporist/zionist divide for an example."
ReplyDeleteTrue. The issue is they stick together AGAINST whites.
Similarly, blacks often fume at one another, but they unite AGAINST whites.
It's the dynamics of that AGAINST that is at issue here. If the world were only made up of Jews with no gentiles, yes, Jews would be fighting against one another and big time.
There are lots of divisions among Chinese too, but notice how all Chinese--mainland, HK, overseas, and etc all united during 2008 when Tibetans tried to sabotage the Olympic torch relay.
Chinese will scream at one another but will scream as one AGAINST their perceived enemies.
Jewish priority is us first, our allies second, our enemies last.
ReplyDeleteWhite American priority is Jews first, homosexuals second, blacks third, white liberals fourth, illegals fifth, and then whites.
Only Russians, Chinese, and Muslims are deemed less worthy than white Americans.
True. The issue is they stick together AGAINST whites.
ReplyDeleteNo argument there...
"The mostly WASP Wall Street of the 20s did even more damage than the heavily-Jewish Wall Street of the 80s and 2000s, and Woodrow Wilson didn't need any Jews to drag him into an idiotic war."
ReplyDeleteMaybe, but they were called out for what they did(and what they were) and had to pay a heavy price.
But we are not allowed to call out on Jewish power and perfidy.
We could shout out 'bad wasp' but we can't shout out 'bad Jew'.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocracy#Mono-ethnocracy_vs._Poly-ethnocracy
ReplyDeleteElite whites are doing a fine job at creating the circumstances for them to pass their genes into the future. They are marrying other elite whites with great discrimination, they are taking an ever-larger percentage of the nation's wealth, they are getting their children into IQ-selective pre-kindergartens that create the connections needed for their kids to be elite and be able to pass their genes on and so forth.
ReplyDeleteThere is no ecological niche for them without their co-racialists.
They can't do anything that the Jews and Chinese can't do for themselves, and they will be pursuing a relatively individualist strategy, so there's no way they will outcompete members of other groups to become a market-dominant minority. They will cease to exist in short order.
"Also, the surge, which the Kagans helped formulate, did work, didn't it?"
ReplyDeleteNo. The largest Shiite block, which is very close to Iran, cemented control over the country and Iran called off it's proxy militias. That's when the war-scale violence ended. By the time the "surge" happened, the Sunni insurgents had been crushed by Shiite torture/death squads which operated with US approval and most of the attacks on foreign troops were from Shiite groups being directed by Iran. With their allies firmly in control of the central government and the US itching to leave, there was no reason for Iran or Shiite Iraqis to prolong the conflict.
"Most of the Ukraine can be described as Russia with a provincial accent, with some areas being full-on, straight-up Russia. The westernmost 10% (or thereabouts) of the country, the area around L'viv/L'vov/Lwow/Lemburg (the Ukrainian/Russian/Polish/German names of the same city) has a culture of its own however. The locals' language is not mutually intelligible with Russian and crucially, the locals are Greco-Catholics. This is where intense Ukrainian nationalism comes from. In a fair world that area, called Galicia, would have a state of its own and the other 90% of the "Ukraine would go back to Russia, but the world is not fair, so that's unlikely to happen.
ReplyDeleteThe neocons use Galicians as extras for anti-Putin demonstrations in Kiev, but they don't want them in power in Ukraine. Why? Because Galicians are really, really nationalist. And religiously conservative."
It's amazing how well these facts have been concealed by the media in America.
Another crucial fact is that Russia was created by settlers from the Ukraine, not the other way around.
"They are pro Western civ, sans Christianity and white nationalism, naturally."
ReplyDeleteWhat is left of Western Civilization without white people or Christianity?
Woodrow Wilson didn't need any Jews to drag him into an idiotic war
ReplyDeleteDon't get started on that. That can turn into a major blog topic on its own.
Yet in Sailer's mind the great paleo hope Barry O (see any 2009-2010 era issue of The American Conservative for reference) stands somehow "against" the Nuland-Kagans of Beltwaytopia
ReplyDeleteDon't lump Sailer into that. That Obama stuff happened during Ron Unz's tenure as publisher of the American Conservative.
Putin managed to grab some of it back and chase the oligarchs out.
ReplyDeleteYou make Putin out as some kind of Robin Hood against the bad Jewish oligarchs, but Putin and his cronies managed to pocket a lot of what was taken back. Very little of it has found its way into the pockets of ordinary Russians. And there are still oligarchs around. They're just smart enough not to piss Putin off.
"You make Putin out as some kind of Robin Hood against the bad Jewish oligarchs, but Putin and his cronies managed to pocket a lot of what was taken back."
ReplyDeleteNo doubt.
"And there are still oligarchs around. They're just smart enough not to piss Putin off."
Quite. Biding their time hoping their cousins in the US MSM and government can bring down Putin so they can go back to looting the Russian people.
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"Yet in Sailer's mind the great paleo hope Barry O (see any 2009-2010 era issue of The American Conservative for reference) stands somehow "against" the Nuland-Kagans of Beltwaytopia. Of course our crypto-realist Prez never seems to stop them from doing whatever they want anyway, but his sentiments have remained in the right place."
Obama dragged his feet over Syria.
See video of that infamous call with transcript and context: Call Exposes U.S. Scheming on Ukraine & Hypocrisy about Ukrainian Democracy
ReplyDeleteAre any of them related to Supreme Court Justic, Elena Kagan - the one who set up the Harvard Law Review for Obama and accepted $23 mill from Saudi Sheik, which was oddly enough, the amount he wrote on the first check as President which was sent back to the Sheik?
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