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IN THE NEWS: DONALD STERLING
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An audio recording allegedly captures Clippers owner Donald Sterling, right, making racist comments in an argument with a friend.
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In reading this story, it seems Donald Sterling's issue is that he doesn't want to see photos of black people on "the instagram" with his mixed black-hispanic girlfriend. LOL.
ReplyDeleteWe now live in a world where TMZ has broken the biggest news story.
Hah.. loving it.
ReplyDeleteIt does surprise me that someone who made his money in lawyering and real estate would be one-faced enough to get caught in the sort of crimethink he allegedly has committed over the past few years. Even more surprising.. can't seem to find any news articles where childhood friends reveal shocking stories of Sterling's early racism. He must be a genuine good bastard.
That said.. reading his Wikipedia article.. we are apparently talking about a team owner who's also a big enough fan to boo his own team's players when they're screwing it all up. He does seem to be more upfront than the average billionaire.
“LA Clippers owner Donald Sterling’s comments about African Americans are a black eye for the NBA.”
ReplyDeleteAnd there you have it.
This Donald "Sterling" was born Donald Tokowitz. He switched his jewish sounding name to a wasp last name.
ReplyDeleteWell, that's going on my bucket list: avoiding the FHA and receiving the NAACP Lifetime Achievement Award.
ReplyDeleteThis guy is a very weird sort of "racist." Like Glenn Miller, but wealthy and without the killing and stuff.
ReplyDeleteIn the eyes of the Jewish community, is Mr. Sterling "white" or "Jewish" or both?
ReplyDeleteDonald Sterling bio:
ReplyDelete"Donald Tokowitz Sterling (born Donald Tokowitz) is an American business magnate and former attorney. He is the owner of the National Basketball Association's Los Angeles Clippers. Sterling acquired the Clippers in 1981 for $12.5 million, and as of 2014, the team is valued at $575 million by Forbes magazine,[2] ranking them eighteenth out of thirty teams. At 33 seasons of ownership (1981 to present), Sterling has been the longest-tenured owner in the NBA since the death of Lakers majority owner Jerry Buss on February 18, 2013.
Early life and education
Donald Tokowitz (legally added Sterling as his last name as an adult) was born in 1933 in Chicago, Illinois, and he and his family moved to the Boyle Heights area of Los Angeles, when he was two years old. His parents, Susan and Mickey, were Jewish immigrants.[3] He attended Theodore Roosevelt High School in Los Angeles, where he was on the school's gymnastics team and served as class president; he graduated in 1952. He next attended California State University, Los Angeles (Class of 1956) and Southwestern University School of Law (Class of 1960) in Los Angeles.[4]"
(Via WIKIPEDIA)
More Sterling bio:
ReplyDelete"Starting in 1961, he began to make his career as a divorce and personal injury attorney, but he made his biggest ventures in real estate, which he began when he purchased a 26-unit apartment building in Beverly Hills.
Los Angeles Clippers
Sterling and Los Angeles Lakers majority owner Jerry Buss were indirectly responsible for each owning their respective NBA franchises. The first instance came in 1979, in which Buss used the money he made from selling a portion of his apartment buildings to Sterling (worth $2.7 million), which covered the remaining balance in purchasing the Lakers, the Kings hockey team, and the Los Angeles Forum from Jack Kent Cooke for $67 million. Two years later, Buss suggested to Sterling that he could purchase his own NBA franchise, and Sterling bought the struggling San Diego Clippers for $12.5 million. Unlike Buss' instant success with the Lakers (including winning an NBA championship in his first season as owner, 1979–80), Sterling and his Clippers struggled through many lackluster seasons, and they did not have their first winning season until the 1991-92 season, eleven years into his ownership.
Sterling has been widely criticized for his frugal operation of the Clippers, due in part to a consistent history of losing seasons. With the Clippers' move into Staples Center in the 1999-2000 NBA season, the team began to build a contender, winning 47 games in the 2005-06 season. This was a record for the most victories in a single season since the franchise moved to California. It was also only the second winning season in Sterling's tenure as owner. The overall franchise record is 56 wins, accomplished by the 2012-2013 Los Angeles Clippers. In the lockout-shortened 2011-2012 season they made the playoffs with the best winning percentage in their history (.606) and they won their first round series against the Memphis Grizzlies, 4–3, before being swept by the San Antonio Spurs, 4–0, in the conference semi-finals.
Sterling rebuffed numerous offers from other cities to relocate the Clippers, and has been steadfast in his refusal to move the team out of Los Angeles, let alone sell the team. While the team played a few games in Anaheim in the Arrowhead Pond (now the Honda Center) for a few years before the Staples Center opened, he has not been willing to move the team there permanently. In recent years, he has shown an increased willingness to spend. In 2003, Sterling signed Elton Brand to a six-year, $82 million deal, the biggest contract in franchise history. He matched the contract the Utah Jazz offered restricted free agent Corey Maggette: a deal worth $45 million over six years. The Clippers have signed higher-priced veteran free agents, such as Cuttino Mobley in 2005, Tim Thomas in 2006, and Los Angeles native Baron Davis in 2008. In another first during the Sterling tenure of Clippers ownership, the team gave a four-year contract extension to head coach Mike Dunleavy, Sr., as well as a five-year extension to center Chris Kaman. Both extensions took effect starting in the 2007-08 NBA season. Under Sterling's ownership, only Dunleavy and Bill Fitch (1994–1998) have lasted four seasons or more as Clipper head coach; as of the 2009-10 NBA season, Dunleavy entered his seventh season as Clipper head coach, by far the longest tenure in franchise history, but was relieved of his coaching duties on February 4, 2010.
Sterling spent $50 million to build a state-of-the-art practice facility and team headquarters in Los Angeles' Playa Vista mixed-use development neighborhood. This followed the lead of several other NBA franchises, including the Lakers, Sacramento Kings, Cleveland Cavaliers, and Detroit Pistons, in having their own facility dedicated exclusively for team use. The facility was completed and opened in September 2008, in time for the start of the team's training camp. The team previously practiced at a local health club in suburban El Segundo, and before that at Los Angeles Southwest College."
(WIKIPEDIA)
More Sterling bio:
ReplyDelete"In August 2006, the U.S. Department of Justice sued Sterling for housing discrimination in using race as a factor in filling some of his apartment buildings. The suit charged that Sterling refused to rent to non-Koreans in the Koreatown neighborhood and to African Americans in Beverly Hills.[5] The suit alleges Sterling once said he did not like to rent to Hispanics because they "smoke, drink and just hang around the building," and that "Black tenants smell and attract vermin."[5] In November 2009, ESPN reported that Sterling agreed to pay a fine of $2.73 million to settle claims brought by the Justice Department and Davin Day of Newport Beach that he engaged in discriminatory rental practices against Hispanics, blacks, and families with children.[6] In addition, Sterling was also ordered to pay attorneys' fees and costs in that action of $4,923,554.75. [Order Granting Motion for Prevailing Party's Attorneys' Fees and Costs, dated November 2, 2005, C.D. Cal. Case No. 2:03-cv-00859-DSF-E Dkt No. 454]. In granting the attorney's fees and costs Judge Dale S. Fischer noted "Sterling's' scorched earth' litigation tactics, some of which are described by the Plaintiffs' counsel and some of which were observed by the Court. The Court has no difficulty accepting Plaintiffs' counsel's representations that the time required to be spent on this case was increased by defendant's counsel's often unacceptable, and sometimes outrageous conduct." [Id. at p. 5]
In February 2009, Sterling was sued by former longtime Clippers executive Elgin Baylor for employment discrimination on the basis of age and race.[7] The lawsuit alleges Sterling told Baylor that he wanted to fill his team with "poor black boys from the South and a white head coach".[5] The suit alleges that during negotiations for Danny Manning, Sterling said "I'm offering a lot of money for a poor black kid."[5][8] The suit noted those comments while alleging "the Caucasian head coach was given a four-year, $22-million contract", but Baylor's salary had "been frozen at a comparatively paltry $350,000 since 2003".[7]"
(WIKIPEDIA)
aNONYMOUS:"In the eyes of the Jewish community, is Mr. Sterling "white" or "Jewish" or both?"
ReplyDeleteHe's a White Jewish guy.
Is it just me, or does Sterling vaguely resemble Edward James Olmos in these photos?
ReplyDeleteIt would seem that her posing for a photo with Magic Johnson caused their fight. The owner of the Clippers simply dislikes his rival's former star. I doubt this has anything to do with race.
ReplyDeleteBesides that, I don't hold it against him that he changed his name. We don't need more foreignness here. I wish all the foreigners would change their names the way they used to.
Notice how they spin the part about the girl, to a "friend" of his? Seriously though. Wikipedia says he was born in '33. 80 yrs old?? Seriously?
ReplyDeleteBut, wiki also says he's still married to his first wife. So either, it needs to update or something.
Dang, that girl next to him looks young enough to be his granddaughter.
NOW THEN.
Sometime ago, perhaps last yr, among the wealth, IQ, and morality stuff that Steve has posted over time, some allegedly 'CLAIMED' that the super wealthy never, EVER cheat or go for much younger women (e.g. for mistresses, hos, etc)
IF the wikipedia page on Sterling is correct re: his actual age, woah. She looks late 20s early 30's.
So...looks like money can purchase all kinds of real estate after all.
If she's going for money, she'd be better off going for Mark Zuckerberg, at least he's around her age and could buy 3-4 NBA teams out of chump change.
Changed it to Sterling. Well, it could've been Sherman.
Jews, especially those in business and politics, change thei names all the time, Saul of Tarsus had the Roman name of Paul.
ReplyDeleteTheir taaqyah is much more effiicient and better developed than the muslim one.
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ReplyDeleteIn the eyes of the Jewish community, is Mr. Sterling "white" or "Jewish" or both?
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Jewish when they see him as a smart and successful businessman. White when they see him as a disgusting and unforgivable racist.
Back in late 80s/early 90s Kirk Douglas and Burt Lancaster were in a film a la grumpy old men except they played former gangsters released from prison who wanted one more big shot at crime.
ReplyDeleteDouglas played the part of pursuing young girls in his spare time. "All they want is tons of sex" he quipped to crime partner Lancaster. And remember, it was released before Viagra was widely on the shelves.
Dang.
She looks hispanic-asian, say, Phillipina or something. Or maybe Mexican-Chinese.
But again, for those who say that the super wealthy don't go for youngsters or get divorce, case in point right here.
The irony here all of this outrage will amount to naught. Good luck sanctioning someone for leaked phone conversations. Good luck depriving them of their ability to exercise their property rights because of words expressed in private.
ReplyDeleteI suspect his high paid lawyers have already warned the NBA what will follow if they even dare to take the team from him.
The Self-Righteous Stampede is loosed! lol make that luced.
ReplyDeleteThe frenzy of delighted condemnation according to the Rules By Radicals that "media" and entertainment/networks now biblicize into Holy Writ is far more revealing of herdism and smarmy self-congratulation than of defect of character in this vain owner.
I despise the Feeders upon misery. Their groupism is thuggish, and a portent of continuing frenzies and inevitable purges ahead.
Cheers.
Of course, the point of all this is that, in a sane world, this would be a non-story. Who the hell cares if Sterling doesn't want his hot thang girlfriend posing in photos with Blacks?
ReplyDeleteEd:"The irony here all of this outrage will amount to naught. Good luck sanctioning someone for leaked phone conversations. Good luck depriving them of their ability to exercise their property rights because of words expressed in private.
ReplyDeleteI suspect his high paid lawyers have already warned the NBA what will follow if they even dare to take the team from him."
I don't know. What are the limits under our current regime when a person transgresses a holy and sacred taboo?
"He's a White Jewish guy."
ReplyDeleteAs long as a Jewish man doesn't embarrass his tribe, I thought he was simply "Jewish," to that tribe, not white (Gentiles, after all.)
Of course, he has embarrassed them so now he's simply "white."
Besides that, I don't hold it against him that he changed his name. We don't need more foreignness here. I wish all the foreigners would change their names the way they used to.
ReplyDeleteHe changed his last name though. People should change their first names, but not their last names. It's disrespectful. Not to their own ancestry, but to the ancestry of the surnames they switch to.
I heard Charles Barkley this afternoon on the topic. Sir Charles said, "Of course, everyone has a right to their own views on race but he's an employer. That's different."
ReplyDeleteAh, Sir Charles, yes. You see the problem: how many blacks men in the NBA, including you, are "racists"? How many have told "their women", "I don't want to see you with any crackas"?
""""Who the hell cares if Sterling doesn't want his hot thang girlfriend posing in photos with Blacks?"""
ReplyDeleteNo, he doesn't want his hot GF posing with any
youngsters like Magic or even Charles Barkley. Jack Nicholson it might be okay since Jack's seen better days.
Better not let Ashton Kutchner get near her, either.
It must be more of a SoCal thing to flaunt the wealth and the hot young GF in public like that. It truly does renew one's faith in the power of wealth and all that it can purchase.
Still a bit surprised that Mark Zuckerberg hasn't gone down that road. Of course, maybe when he hits 70 or 80.
Ruppert Murdoch did a similar thing around the time he was closing in on 70.
Just listened to the audio - which is top of the front page on YouTube.
ReplyDeleteI'm not really surprised or alarmed by his racism, but rather perplexed his really strange inconsistency.
If I was really concerned about "the world" noticing my associations with blacks, I probably wouldn't own a team in the 80% black NBA, or have a clearly bi-racial (tri-racial?) girlfriend. I also wouldn't say that the black man that my trophy girlfriend took a picture with "should be admired" and that I "love everybody."
Remember that this whole outburst was apparently triggered by one of his friends noticing - which goes to show you that even 80 year old Jewish billionaires can be slaves to social pressure from other elites.
By the standards of L.A. NBA team owners, a guy who just has one mistress 50 years younger than him is practically Mitt Romney:
ReplyDeletehttp://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/02/buss-as-boss.html
The late Lakers owner Jerry Buss would never stoop so low. If his girlfriend were doing things that made him jealous, he'd just call up the agency and have a replacement sent over.
ReplyDeleteI don't know how large a donor he is, but I just read that Mr. Sterling has indeed been a donor to the Democrat Party. Of course, perhaps he has given to the other side as well, just didn't read that.
ReplyDeleteBut, wiki also says he's still married to his first wife. So either, it needs to update or something.
ReplyDeleteThey have an 'arrangement'?
>>Steve Sailer said...
ReplyDelete"""By the standards of L.A. NBA team owners, a guy who just has one mistress 50 years younger than him is practically Mitt Romney:""""
One that we know of. Not like his private life's an open book. Probably got more public when he purchased the team and became more of a hands on owner a la Marc Cuban.
But if he's that concerned with anyone younger getting near her, then he can't trust any one around her. And the Clippers are in the heart of Hollywoodland. Suppose a VIP guest like George Clooney happened to visit and sit next to them in the box seats? Or even David Beckham? And those dudes are really close to her age.
Still does appear a bit unseemly, though. Maybe if he resembled Roger Moore or Michael Caine.
Leave it to Hollywood style news to allow a glimpse into an interesting aspect of a mega billionaire's private life.
Wonder where his wife is in all this?
>>Steve Sailer said...
ReplyDelete"""The late Lakers owner Jerry Buss would never stoop so low. If his girlfriend were doing things that made him jealous, he'd just call up the agency and have a replacement sent over.""""
Aha, so THATS how they do it!
By the standards of L.A. NBA team owners, a guy who just has one mistress 50 years younger than him is practically Mitt Romney:
ReplyDeletehttp://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/02/buss-as-boss.html
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Funny, Steve, just a couple of weeks ago I was listening to a sports talk show and one of its hosts, a former broadcaster for the Warriors and A's (he now does the Raiders), was talking freely about all the stuff he and others saw from Buss and the Lakers back in the day. He said the girls didn't even look 18, that Buss liked them as young as possible.
(I was thinking this was around the time Mr. Johnson is also likely to have contracted HIV, from...well, that IS suspect, isn't it?)
I listened to the actual audio on the TMZ site and I encourage everyone else to do so as well. There is more here than meets the eye, that's for sure. http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/26/donald-sterling-clippers-owner-black-people-racist-audio-magic-johnson/
ReplyDeleteIn a nutshell, from the audio it appears that Sterling was responding to comments or complaints from unrevealed third parties and his annoyance at having to field such calls appears to be the trigger for the conversation.
Contra the general tone of many news articles, Sterling makes it clear he doesn't mind if his girlfriend associates with blacks his complaint is with her publicizing the association on Instagram. Interesting, to me, were the repeated references to her perceived Hispanic heritage and the opinions of Hispanics. Though he never comes out and says so, there is a suggestion running through the conversation that he's concerned Hispanics won't or don't like seeing one of their own with blacks. This, of course, was not highlighted in any of the MSM stories I read prior to listening to the audio. The news stories chose to go down the well worn white guy bigot route. I'm curious as to the percent of Clipper's fans and customers who are Hispanic?
One question left out of the 'public conversation' though relates to the opinions people have of black sexual prowess. Lefty academics never hold back accusing white males (rarely Hispanic males) of a sexual inferiority complex, but refrain from bringing up such topics in a situation when it might distract from the favored whites are racist meme. Was Sterling being teased by buddies that his gal had jungle fever? Was he fielding calls from annoyed Hispanic customers? We'll never know if we rely on the MSM to investigate.
"And the Clippers are in the heart of Hollywoodland. Suppose a VIP guest like George Clooney happened to visit"
ReplyDeleteThese are the Clippers, not the Lakers.
According to this 2011 article, the Clippers' biggest celebrity fan is Frankie Muniz.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/994137-every-nba-teams-top-celebrity-fan
I wonder how much he paid the NAACP to get that lifetime achievement award 5 years after saying this.
ReplyDeleteWhat kind of crazed irrational 80-year-old bigot is worried about his 20-something mistress hanging around with a wealthy sports hero who spent months in 1991 visiting talk shows to explain that he's HIV-positive because of the countless women he's slept with?
ReplyDelete>>Steve Sailer said...
ReplyDelete""""What kind of crazed irrational 80-year-old bigot is worried about his 20-something mistress hanging around with a wealthy sports hero who spent months in 1991 visiting talk shows to explain that he's HIV-positive because of the countless women he's slept with?"""""
Someone on Viagra, or who, UNLIKE Jerry Buss, doesn't have the confidence that the agency (e.g. "Nope, the girl didn't work out, could you please send another one over for me?") will return his calls.
Frankie Muniz? Really? Seriously?
Well, then yeah, he can hang around her and pose for a picture. Nothing to worry about with HIM.
We don't need a trial, hang him at dawn.
ReplyDelete"Contra the general tone of many news articles, Sterling makes it clear he doesn't mind if his girlfriend associates with blacks his complaint is with her publicizing the association on Instagram. Interesting, to me, were the repeated references to her perceived Hispanic heritage and the opinions of Hispanics. Though he never comes out and says so, there is a suggestion running through the conversation that he's concerned Hispanics won't or don't like seeing one of their own with blacks."
ReplyDeleteI thought the same thing.
According to this 2011 article, the Clippers' biggest celebrity fan is Frankie Muniz.
ReplyDeleteIsn't it Billy Crystal?
The Lakers and Clippers play in the same arena. Are the fan bases divided by geography?
I was just talking to a friend who has been a Clippers fan for 25 years. He says the divide between Lakers fans and Clippers fans is psychological: the Clippers appeal to Angelenos who like underdogs and who appreciate cheap tickets over expensive cachet. Thus, the Laker fan base in Los Angeles is immensely larger.
ReplyDelete"You can sleep with [black people]. You can bring them in, you can do whatever you want. The little I ask you is not to promote it on that ... and not to bring them to my games."
ReplyDeleteI haven't listened to the audio, but the transcript sounds like he is OK with her sleeping around. Is he OK with an open relationship? Is she just arm candy?
Another take away from the audio. This woman is a real moron; listen to her points. They are all of the rhetorical 'I don't understand . . . blah, blah, blah' variety that is a such a well understood stand in for 'I want to pretend I don't understand what you are saying so I can make this exchange as difficult for you as possible.'
ReplyDeleteWhy would a billionaire willingly subject himself to such nonsense? I imagine Bill Gates and Paul Allen to be beta males when it comes to women but I can't imagine them being equivalent pussies under similar circumstances. And, why would such a presumed alpha care if his friends don't like it? It is this latter point that makes me imagine he's concerned about Hispanic public opinion.
I am curious about the source of the audio. It sounds like a private conversation. Was somebody doing a little illegal eavesdropping/wire tapping?
ReplyDelete"I am curious about the source of the audio. It sounds like a private conversation. Was somebody doing a little illegal eavesdropping/wire tapping?"
ReplyDeletePerhaps I misunderstood, but I thought the mistress had a lawsuit going and this was her pay back. Give it to TMZ during the Clippers play off run?
He's a White Jewish guy
ReplyDeleteIs that anything like being a White Hispanic?
For the longest time the Clippers were perenially among the worst teams in the league. It seemed like nobody, in LA and out, liked them. Over the past several years they've been much better though with more fans.
ReplyDelete"aNONYMOUS:"In the eyes of the Jewish community, is Mr. Sterling "white" or "Jewish" or both?"
ReplyDeleteHe is both White and Jewish, the same way Rodrigo Santoro for example is both White and Brazilian.
Neither of them are mutually exclusive.
ReplyDeleteThe elite, the corporations and the plutocrats want to elevate nonwhites in status over whites. Why? Because white majority labor is the enemy of the elite. The elite buy labor. White majority labor is being destroyed by immigrant nonwhite 3rd world labor. But that is what the elite want. They flood the labor supply with cheap foreign labor, and that depresses wages and increases corporate profit. Mass immigration also provides growth for the ravenous corporate maw.
But majority white labor is an obstacle to satisfying corporate greed via mass immmigration.
In order to keep the white majority afraid of speaking out against mass immigration, the elite put the fear of racism into the hearts of the white majority. The elite make an example of anyone who dares to speak his mind on race.
This is how the elite grow america, grow corporate profits, grow mass media revenues, grow plutocrat wallets--by mass immigration of third world labor, and they keep the white majority afraid of speaking out against mass immigration by making racism into The Ultimate Evil.
Compare the media reaction to this to the X-Men director allegedly sleeping with a 15 year old boy.
ReplyDeleteImagine if the media had taken the same level of interest in the racist remarks of Jeremiah Wright. But the racism of black people is something the media are desperate to conceal.
ReplyDelete""""Another take away from the audio. This woman is a real moron; listen to her points."""""
ReplyDeleteNo, she's not. That's either streets smarts and/or someone who doesn't want to lose a good thing, or wants to keep her new Bentley.
"""They are all of the rhetorical 'I don't understand . . . blah, blah, blah' variety that is a such a well understood stand in for 'I want to pretend I don't understand what you are saying so I can make this exchange as difficult for you as possible.' """"
Also, as in "If you're really this stupid and have no idea what's going on, maybe I can get a Rolls Royce and ten shopping trips on Rodeo Drive out of you as well. After all, if you're ok with me banging the entire team and maybe the front office, then you just don't get it. So I'll have the best of both worlds: Money from you and sex to meet my needs from the team. This is, like, you know, like, like, like, soooo cool. Just have to first get through this little skirmish and I'm set for a long time."
""""Why would a billionaire willingly subject himself to such nonsense?"""""
Steve's right. Jerry Buss would've been way different. Goes to show the chasm between the Lakers and the Clippers in more ways than one.
"""I imagine Bill Gates and Paul Allen to be beta males when it comes to women"""""
Now, STEVE JOBS, HOWEVER, was not a beta re: women. Not by a damn sight.
""""but I can't imagine them being equivalent pussies under similar circumstances."""""
Don't bet the farm too quickly on that one.
"""And, why would such a presumed alpha care if his friends don't like it?"""""
Creepy. Maybe the Viagra's side affect is early dementia in this case.
"""It is this latter point that makes me imagine he's concerned about Hispanic public opinion.""""
A Sterling by any other name...
>>Steve Sailer said...
ReplyDelete"""I was just talking to a friend who has been a Clippers fan for 25 years. He says the divide between Lakers fans and Clippers fans is psychological: the Clippers appeal to Angelenos who like underdogs and who appreciate cheap tickets over expensive cachet. Thus, the Laker fan base in Los Angeles is immensely larger.""""
Sounds similar to Yankees and Mets.
In LA, wonder if the Bruins vs Trojans divide is the same? Or maybe its more equal or at least a stalemate?
Bruins are the team for Basketball.
Trojans are the team for Football.
All the other sports that no one cares about are just that, not really any fan bases for either school.
I just wish the media would play this as a case of Jewish racism, but that isn't going to happen.
ReplyDeleteSounds similar to Yankees and Mets.
ReplyDeleteThe Yankees and Mets fanbase divides geographically and historically. The old New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers fans became Mets fans after the two teams went west. That's why the Mets' colors are orange and blue. The Mets fans tend to be from Queens, Brooklyn, and Long Island. Yankees fans are from Manhattan, Bronx, Connecticut and New Jersey.
""""The Yankees and Mets fanbase divides geographically and historically. The old New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers fans became Mets fans after the two teams went west. That's why the Mets' colors are orange and blue. The Mets fans tend to be from Queens, Brooklyn, and Long Island. Yankees fans are from Manhattan, Bronx, Connecticut and New Jersey.""""
ReplyDeleteI already know all this. That's the literal divide.
I was specifically referring to PSYCHOLOGICAL divide.
FACT: more or less, in NY, the 2nd banana team (basically, for losers) is the Mets. Mets have won in 69; and 86; lost in 73 & 00.
The Yankees are the team of destiny. Everyone, even the casual sport fans knows who the Yankees.
SInce 1920, the Yankees have won 27 out of 40 WS, the most by far in baseball history.
This actually beats both Manchester United and Montreal Canadiens.
The Yankees, are a GLOBAL brand. Not the Mets.
Watch the Mets cause a fan isn't all that. Two steps up from the Cubs.
Watch the Yankees, cause you wanna see them WIN.
The team for winners = Yankees.
"The old New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers fans became Mets fans after the two teams went west. That's why the Mets' colors are orange and blue."
ReplyDeleteI always learn something from Steve AND from his posters.
I knew fans of the old NYGiants and Brooklyn Dodgers had no where to go but the Mets if they wanted a team to root for; they surely couldn't become Yankee or American League fans.
However, I'd never put two and two together (nor ever heard it mentioned by any announcer, and I used to listen to a lot of baseball, American League, true) that Mets' colors were a combo of the two teams that left.
Thanks for that tidbit.
Sterling is toast. The NBA WILL make him sell or simply take the team from him, and give it to another owner (compensation due Sterling of course). Lets get real here folks.
ReplyDeleteThe NBA might as well be called the Negro Basketball Association, it is an all-Black league all the time, for all intents and purposes. All its stars are Black, its fanbase is Black, most of its coaches are Black, most of its viewers are Black (or Whiggers), it's totally based around Black men and the fans of large Black guys dunking basketballs over each other. That's the NBA. What it is today. That is where the money comes from.
The NBA DOES leave money on the table, as those fans who don't want an all Black league and prefer some role for Whites go to Football, or Baseball, or Hockey, or NASCAR, or Golf, with varying degrees of Whiteness and fans and wealth among the fanbase and thus rights fees by cable and broadcast networks. But the NBA still pulls in about $1 billion plus a year in TV deals, and teams make a LOT of money in exclusive cable deals like the Lakers Sports Net with Time Warner Cable.
That money flow depends on Black and Whigger fans being happy. What, you thought the NBA All-Star Game was a BET-styled Rap Awards Ceremony by accident? Nope.
The money depends on being as Black as possible. [Which incidentally keeps the labor costs cheaper, as Black guys don't typically last as long as say, Steve Nash over 40 -- Kobe Bryant has maybe one more year in the league and that's a big maybe. Kareem was the clean-living, make-money exception as he got paid peanuts early on and had to get the money in the twilight of his career.]
No, Sterling is toast. I really from a wider perspective don't care what some elderly billionaire team owner says to his mistress. But I see the money angle -- the league is basically sold as an all-Black league.
Wouldn't the NBA be more successful financially if it were more diverse? Sure the ticket-buying fans are mostly white, no? And think of all the Asian fans who started going to games when Jason Lin came out of nowhere.
DeleteAnd of course the mostly white '80s Celtics were pretty popular - heck, if memory serves, their games were on broadcast TV, rather than basic cable.
Also, how is Sterling toast? He owns the team, which he bought for 12.5 million. Worst case scenario, he sells it for a 50x profit. Or maybe his black players boycott and he fields a non-black team of Asians and whites. They become the team most NBA fans love to hate. Ratings go up for their games.
Lead story on my 10pm local news...and they just said, he's the owner in league that is overwhelmingly black, as if were he an owner of the LA Kings they wouldn't be all over him as well. Yeah, right.
ReplyDeleteI could see Sterling not wanting a LAKER promoted on Instagrams. Or famous Laker fans like Jack Nicholson, Dyan Cannon, Will Smith, etc.
ReplyDeleteAs for Magic Johnson, it was always my impression he was not exactly a Ladies Man, if you get my drift.
As the US gets more "diverse" and connected, you'll see Chinese oligarchs/big shots making much worse statements. And unlike Sterling, they'll have big shots at home obligated to them, with a bunch of nukes and the world's only remaining superpower (hint its not the US) calling the shots.
Just imagine the Chinese Red Princes buying into the NBA and deciding, you know what? This league is too Black! Need some more Chinese people in it! Time to get rid of all these Blacks. And say so publicly. What would the Commissioner do then? What he's going to take a franchise away from a CHINESE PRINCELING? I don't think so.
Already the NFL is talking with some Chinese big shot about a new Stadium and team in downtown LA. Can you imagine the fun with a Chinese majority owner holding court on how a mostly Black NFL plays in China?
How much would a woman of the character of Ms. Stiviano have to be paid to sleep with Magic Johnson, knowing that he has the precursor to GRID?
ReplyDeleteIt's a perfect storm. The Clippers are the best basketball team in a town that loves scandals and celebrities. And it's playoff time, when all eyes are on the NBA. And Magic Johnson is one of the most well-liked public figures alive. And newspaper journalists love to be able to cover a tabloid
ReplyDeleteI think the NBA Player's Association is going to go for Sterling's scalp. They'll never have a better chance to take down an owner than this. They are lectured constantly about not making public spectacles of themselves, so it must irritate them when the owners do.
But most importantly, the head of the Player's Association is LA Clipper star and State Farm pitchman Chris Paul. Not decapitating Sterling, or at least making a damn good show of it, will literally cost him money.
Your not the only one. I also think he looks like EJO
ReplyDelete"""I imagine Bill Gates and Paul Allen to be beta males when it comes to women"""""
ReplyDeleteNow, STEVE JOBS, HOWEVER, was not a beta re: women. Not by a damn sight.
He was compared to Elon Musk.
Marry a woman, get 5!!! sons out of her and divorce her and pay her peanuts.
Hey, it's not rocket science. LOL.
80. Worth 500 million and worried about PR.
ReplyDeleteI'll have whatever he's taking.
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"President Obama on Saturday condemned the “incredibly offensive racist statements” attributed to Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling, calling them a sign of how the U.S. continues to wrestle with its legacy of "slavery and segregation."
ReplyDelete“I’m reaching out to some of America’s leading foundations and corporations on a new initiative to help more young men of color facing especially tough odds to stay on track and reach their full potential.”
– President Barack Obama, January 28, 2014
Yeh, I get it.
Compare the public drawing & quartering of Tokowitz/Sterling with the reaction to Isiah Thomas' comment about Larry Bird. Outrage affirmative action.
ReplyDeleteActually, Dave Pinsen, the Celtics were the first in on owning their own local cable channel not part of the basic package, taking their games OFF free TV and charging a premium to watch. Fans just listened to the Johnny Most call on the radio.
There was a t-shirt popular around Boston after the 1986 championship that had all the championship banners on the front and "How 'Bout Those White Boys?" on the back.
this is a job for a Tom Wolfe novel.
ReplyDeleteWill this delay the inevitable lethal Waco/Ruby Ridge-style assault on the Bundy ranch or provide a cover for it?
ReplyDeleteWith all due respect to Whiskey, blacks have no purchasing power.
ReplyDeleteThus, they can't afford tickets to even cheap NBA games.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/why-t-nba-teams-fill-arenas-even-giving-193354981--nba.html
http://business.time.com/2013/01/14/nba-teams-struggle-to-fill-arenas-even-when-cheap-seats-are-1-or-free/
Point being: watch any NBA game and you'll see primarily white fans in the stands.
The league is subsidized by ESPN (it no longer airs on regular season games on any network channel).
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ReplyDeleteCompare the media reaction to this to the X-Men director allegedly sleeping with a 15 year old boy."
They're both Jews.
BHO's comments all over BBC news now.
ReplyDeleteRacism does trump all in modern America. Some hot 20-something publicly parades around with the 80-year-old love or her life and what is deemed shockingly de-classe is that he doesn't want her to send out Instagrams of her with blacks.
ReplyDeleteThey are re-making Ben-Hur. I wonder if they will update it socially and racially.
ReplyDeleteIn the fifties version Arrius (Jack Hawkins) acquires Ben-Hur (Heston) as a charioteer. I imagine that sort of thing was quite common around the Fall of the Republic. Chariot racing was a huge public passion.
But what wasn't common would have been Hawkins adopting Heston. Rich men then as now like to consort with famous athletes but that didn't mean that they invited them into their family circles or personal relationships.
A Victorian aristocrat might have owned a sting of race horses too but he was unlikely to have invited the jockeys over to tea.
Sterling and Buss as modern day sportsmen apparently enjoy having famous large strong men in their employ. It is now however the fashion to feign feelings of social equality for the hired performers. That goes against the whole attraction of 'owning' a sports team.
Modern major sports franchises are now good investments I'm told. But the original attraction of team ownership was originally more personal. It gave the older smaller man a pseudo-sexual charge to be in a position of dominance over the athletes. And we know that Sterling was particularly vulnerable to sexual charging - pseudo or otherwise.
So it doesn't surprise me that Sterling didn't want to socially mix with the players. Nor did he want his doxie to.
They say that there's no fool like an old fool. In support of that proposition I give you Donald Sterling.
Albertosaurus
"We made enormous strides."
ReplyDeleteFunny, but the way things are going, DC will have more homos than Negroes.
Not really. There are genetic differences between Jews and non-Semitic gentiles.
ReplyDeleteThere are genetic differences between groups of European gentiles also. Autosomal DNA tests can separate a group of Spaniards from a group of Englishmen from a group of Russians.
When did this start? Where one person says something "racist" and the world goes on fire? Don Imus, Cliven Bundy, Paula Deen, it just seems to be happening more and more often. Did this start with the 24 hour news cycle, abetted by the rise in hyper political correctness?
ReplyDeleteSheldon Adelson: "nuke Iran"
ReplyDeleteSilence.
Sterling: "I don't wanna be around too many loud and thuggish blacks."
OUTRAGE!!
Jews have no problem with Sterling feeling the way he does(most Jews feel the same way about blacks--keep them on the courts, not around us) or with saying what he did.
ReplyDeleteThey have a problem with him being incautious enough to get caught saying it.
Speaking of Magic Johnson. His son came out a year or so ago, not that anyone who had seen the kid over the years didn't know. He's a total flamer.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFZKdtSwRNs
I've always wondered about Magic himself. Yeah, I know homosexuality is not a simple Mendelian trait, but there is a genetic component....
"It's a perfect storm. The Clippers are the best basketball team in a town that loves scandals and celebrities. And it's playoff time, when all eyes are on the NBA. And Magic Johnson is one of the most well-liked public figures alive. And newspaper journalists love to be able to cover a tabloid"
ReplyDeleteYou hit the nail on the head. Witness the reception from an audience of women in SoCal that Magic Johnson's gay son gets.
It's just another example of the selling of and the celebration of dysfunction in LALA LAND.
Women love to nurture the dysfunctional. You go, girl.
Anon said "I was thinking this was around the time Mr. Johnson is also likely to have contracted HIV, from...well, that IS suspect, isn't it?"
ReplyDeleteThis is obviously second-hand but I went to college with a moderately well-known sportswriter. He was with the Sporting News at the time Mr. Johnson's HIV news came out. My friend was living in Los Angeles at the time, mostly covering baseball.
I asked him what he thought of the Johnson situation - he said the worst kept secret among LA area sportswriters was Johnson's bisexuality. All his denials to the contrary - he got HIV the same way everybody else does.
This is all probably a plot by Ellison to get into the league.
ReplyDeleteIn the eyes of the Jewish community, is Mr. Sterling "white" or "Jewish" or both?
ReplyDeleteHe's White in media coverage; he's Jewish in the league office.
Look at this amazing piece of misdirection:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/clippers/2014/04/26/nba-commissioner-adam-silver-clippers-owner-donald-sterling/8226409/
USA Today actually highlights the Jewishness of an NBA player expressing outrage over Sterling's actions without pointing out that Sterling too is Jewish.
American sports is the last bastion of western manhood, and through television, even that has now been degraded and emasculated. The commercials, in particular, seem calculated to subjugate and shame males.
ReplyDeleteAll the announcers couldn't WAIT to jump on the Beatdown Bus and show their Right-On Solidarity against Racism (um, that is, they're against "racism" except when white males are the target, in which case Racism can't exist. Because Privilege.).
Our private conversations are now subject to media/national scrutiny, condemnation, and punishment, based on their acceptability and obedience to Gender and Race Imperatives imposed by tyrant "minorities" acting in unity.
Even in our thoughts we must toe the line of our twin rulers, Feminism and Identity Politics. It's a soft version of the old USSR. But the Sterling Set-up illustrates it'll get a lot less soft, fast.
In case you've been asleep the past forty years: if you're gonna be a White Male in the New Amerika, you damn well better be a self-hating one, or you will follow Sterling. Observing the feeding frenzy over Sterling makes it obvious that American masculinity is a dead man walking. Our Macho Males can fire a spiral 70 yards and dunk from the foul-line, but not one of them can stand alone as a man against The Group.
Witnessing this GrovelFest of Amerikan political punkism was nauseating. Burn, baby, burn.
Yes, in the 1990s the LA Times sports editor revealed that in 1991 they had been preparing a big, well-documented story on how Magic was playing for both teams.
ReplyDeleteI thought it is pretty well established that Magic is/was bi.
ReplyDeleteInteresting that the Clippers had a meeting and decided to do, um, nothing. No boycotts, no individual condemnations. Collecting those million-dollar paychecks trumps all.
ReplyDeleteGave me more appreciation for the Sixties guys who risk life and income to make a stand.
Women love to nurture the dysfunctional. You go, girl.
ReplyDeleteI've noticed the Daily Mail likes to print a story every week or so of two faggots who are married, getting married or adopting kids whatever. The comment threads are then invariably filled with women gushing and fawning.
"When did this start? Where one person says something "racist" and the world goes on fire? Don Imus, Cliven Bundy, Paula Deen, it just seems to be happening more and more often. Did this start with the 24 hour news cycle, abetted by the rise in hyper political correctness?"
ReplyDeleteIt started with rap music and...well, you know, that's different. You can call anyone anything if you be black and cut a rap.
"I asked him what he thought of the Johnson situation - he said the worst kept secret among LA area sportswriters was Johnson's bisexuality. All his denials to the contrary - he got HIV the same way everybody else does."
ReplyDeleteMagic has a gay voice. Yeah, he does. Then, there's his son.
I suspect pathogen load has something to do with the etiology of male homosexuality.
This Donald "Sterling" was born Donald Tokowitz. He switched his jewish sounding name to a wasp last name.
ReplyDeleteI guess my Jewdar's too finely tuned at this point, because names like Sterling always ping. On the other hand, "NBA team owner" is a bigger ping...
In the eyes of the Jewish community, is Mr. Sterling "white" or "Jewish" or both?
He was Jewish the second before the story broke, and "white" the second after. I don't know what he was in the second on either side, that's a grey area, a cultural Neutral Zone.
Jewish when they see him as a smart and successful businessman. White when they see him as a disgusting and unforgivable racist.
Really, the audience dictates which. So, here, where you have people like me saying "nope, white means entirely or almost entirely of European stock," Team Hasbara will insist he's white, and Jews are white. Elsewhere, where white=mud, Jews are "diverse," "multicultural," "of substantially non-European origin," etc. There really are no hard truths with this group, just facts and ideas to be manipulated to suit the situation.
Ethnic markers like "Jewish" are highly dependent on social contexts. For example, the people of Irish descent that I know all describe themselves as Irish. They only use White when they have to differentiate themselves from non-Whites.
Irish are a special case. So, keep going with the examples, please.
There are genetic differences between groups of European gentiles also. Autosomal DNA tests can separate a group of Spaniards from a group of Englishmen from a group of Russians.
So what? There are genetic differences between groups of Jews, too. Neither distinction makes Jews European, not even the "European Jews." The only European Jews are the Europeans who converted.
Jews have no problem with Sterling feeling the way he does(most Jews feel the same way about blacks--keep them on the courts, not around us) or with saying what he did.
They have a problem with him being incautious enough to get caught saying it.
Yeah, in situations like this Team Hasbara is probably telling Sterling "you're going to have to take one for the team."
These days, a serial killer would get better treatment in the press than someone who is recorded saying something that isn't politically correct.
ReplyDeleteWhen that low level NBA basketball twin came out, I noticed some blind item references to a former NBA player and I figured it was Magic.
ReplyDeleteWhile he has obviously had sex with women, probably myriads of women knowing how women throw themselves at NBA players, it's probably not true he's bisexually oriented. The sex probably took place with lots of males and a female thrown in there for good measure once in a while.
There are rumors going around that it was singer Jermaine Stewart that infected Magic Johnson.
ReplyDelete>>Stuff Black People Don't Like said...
ReplyDelete"""With all due respect to Whiskey, blacks have no purchasing power.""""
Agreed.
"""The league is subsidized by ESPN (it no longer airs on regular season games on any network channel).""""
There are of course various reasons but it appears that: NBA vs NCAA basketball, the NCAA draws bigger ratings and bigger crowds. The NBA finals don't generate anywhere near the revenue that the NCAA does, possibly because there are more NCAA teams than NBA and sports fans can identify with their own alma mater rather than a thuggish NBA team.
Also, an interesting irony here. Most of the fans in attendance at NBA games happen to be white, but yet the league is failing. Why is that?
Not enough whites care to support the NBA, period. Certainly doesnt carry the ratings of other sports (which are also mostly supported by whites as well).
Jewish media are desperately beating on him to send a message that "WE GOOD JEWS don't think and talk like him. He is the ONE BAD Jew."
ReplyDeleteHow is the league failing financially? The crummiest franchise, Milwaukee, just got bought for over a half billion dollars.
ReplyDeleteThe NBA is not failing, unfortunately.
ReplyDeleteTake a look at how the Oklahoma Thunder are "failing." They are the toast of the most conservative state, the "whitest" in many ways too, in the union.
ReplyDelete>>Steve Sailer said...
ReplyDelete""""How is the league failing financially? The crummiest franchise, Milwaukee, just got bought for over a half billion dollars."""""
No, I think he meant that going by attendance figures, more than half the NBA franchises aren't doing well and aren't making a profit.
There's a website (can't remember it, but saw it) that publishes every yr NBA teams, ranked in order from highest to lowest, in attendance AND also in TV revenue share.
Example: The ones at the top tend to be the usual suspects: Lakers; Heat; Celtics; Bulls; etc.
Ones at bottom though are: 6ers; Pelicans. The Pelicans are in one of the smallest markets, hence their revenue shares aren't all that either.
Also, the website breaks down attendance by capacity. Example: If the Heat are near the top in home game attendance and what % capacity they play/sell out to per home games.
So in that sense, PK is correct.
Also, it is a fact that the NCAA Tournament ranks second only to the Super Bowl in most watched Team Sport Championship bout. The NBA finals and lengthy 2 month long post season does not even come close in ratings or revenue to what the NCAA Tournament or the Super Bowl bring in.
There also have been studies done on that website and others that state of the 30NBA teams only about 12-14 or so are making a profit, the others are in the red for several yrs at a time.
You mentioned that the Lakers beat the Clippers in attendance or did for several decades. And they both play in the Staples, right? So there you go.
""""The NBA is not failing, unfortunately.""""
ReplyDeleteBut overall, its not making the profit revenues that the NFL; MLB; and World Soccer make. Not even close.
And the NCAA FB and BB also outearn the NBA.
In some markets, the NHL actually outdraws the NBA.
There are genetic differences between groups of European gentiles also.
ReplyDeleteNSS. How could it be otherwise?
He wasn't talking about groups. He was talking about "individuals".
Autosomal DNA tests can separate a group of Spaniards from a group of Englishmen from a group of Russians.
And DNA tests can "separate" a single Jew from a group of Englishmen.
ReplyDeleteGave me more appreciation for the Sixties guys who risk life and income to make a stand.
Who are these people? I know of (and personally know one of) the San Marcos Ten, who attended LBJ's alma mater and were kicked out and denied credit for their coursework because of their extremely peaceful political dissent. The US Supreme Court denied cert. on their case.
There are rumors going around that it was singer Jermaine Stewart that infected Magic Johnson.
ReplyDeleteBased on what? Even if an infected person anally penetrates and ejaculates inside another person 150 times, the odds are still 50-50 as to whether the virus will be passed on.
>>ben tillman said:
ReplyDelete"""Who are these people? I know of (and personally know one of) the San Marcos Ten, who attended LBJ's alma mater and were kicked out and denied credit for their coursework because of their extremely peaceful political dissent. The US Supreme Court denied cert. on their case.""""
Keep in mind, however, the further we get from that decade, some historians no doubt will want to paint the majority of the protestors as clean idealistic angels with nothing but peaceful and passive demonstrations on their minds.
Not the drugs, sex, rock/roll, cowardly AWOLing their country when called to serve...
Oh wait. Countless books and films etc have already painted this generation as perfect saints and angels and all for the cause of...themselves, and not America at large.
Twas quite a very selfish generation.
>>ben tillman said:
ReplyDelete"""And DNA tests can "separate" a single Jew from a group of Englishmen.""""
So long as it isn't a Sherman.
Speaking of which, perhaps Sterling should've just used code for what he meant "Stay away from the Shermans, quit posing and stop posting on Instagram with the Shermans or I'm warning you, you WONT get that third Bentley you've been hinting around for!"
ESPN/ABC (Disney, since it owns both) inflates the value of the NBA by being a 24/7 infomercial for the product.
ReplyDeleteYet, if you watch a regular season game, 90 percent of the franchises have an attendance mirroring the Miami Marlins home games in the MLB.
>>Stuff Black People Don't Like said:
ReplyDelete"""Yet, if you watch a regular season game, 90 percent of the franchises have an attendance mirroring the Miami Marlins home games in the MLB. """"
To be fair, though, NBA arenas seat between 17k to 22k. Although since many franchises can barely average 66% filled and the worst teams average less than 33%, that's really not good at all from an attendance perspective.
Add to that that many arenas are in the crappiest part of town and who wants to be stuck down there after the game's over at dark?
"Interesting that the Clippers had a meeting and decided to do, um, nothing. No boycotts, no individual condemnations. Collecting those million-dollar paychecks trumps all."
ReplyDeleteLike a bunch of high school kids, they chose to wear their warm-up jerseys inside out this afternoon before their game with the Warriors. Wow! What a display? LOL.
"Based on what? Even if an infected person anally penetrates and ejaculates inside another person 150 times, the odds are still 50-50 as to whether the virus will be passed on."
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing that rumor is around because 1) the singer was gay 2) he and Johnson were seen in company with one another 3) the singer died of AIDS.
Enough for a rumor to start, right? But yeah, he could have gotten it from any number of other men he was with.
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Agree, Earvin does have a homosexual-y voice, and often an effete manner. Given his lamentable and self-idolatrous promiscuity, the nom 'Magic Johnson' attains ironic, well, proportions.
ReplyDeleteThere are genetic differences between groups of European gentiles also. Autosomal DNA tests can separate a group of Spaniards from a group of Englishmen from a group of Russians.
ReplyDeleteYes, but European gentiles tend to be more closely related to each other than they are to the Jews.
>>Average Joe said:
ReplyDelete"""""True, anyone noticing that this guy is Jewish will be accused of anti-Semitism.""""""
Or at the very least, he'll be accused of anti-Shermanism.
>But what wasn't common would have been Hawkins adopting Heston.<
ReplyDeleteGore Vidal (who made a lot of his money as a screenwriter) said that he wrote those scenes and gave them a homosexual backstory. The corny old movie wouldn't play otherwise, he said; he had to give the actors something interesting to chew on. (The backstory also motivates the revenge better.) Hawkins "got it" and played it with the greatest of relish; Chuck didn't get it at all, or at least didn't let on that he got it.
David said...
ReplyDelete'""""""Gore Vidal (who made a lot of his money as a screenwriter) said that he wrote those scenes and gave them a homosexual backstory.""""""
You're misquoting here. Vidal wrote those scenes explicitly for Heston AND STEVEN BOYD, the Massala part. And Boyd was considered by some to be homosexual in real life.
"""The corny old movie wouldn't play otherwise, he said;"""""
You do know, however, that some BS is usually to be expected when those who work in Hollywood tell their stories, memoirs, (e.g. think of Dustin Hoffman's part in Wag the Dog, where he's constantly telling stories from long ago, some exaggerated).
That's his opinion. Tons of biblical epics were made in 50s and 60s. MGM remade Ben-Hur as an answer to DeMille's the 10 Commandments. So corny or not, gay or not, Ben-Hur would have done well regardless as it did in 1925.
But either way, the first Ben-Hur had no gay subtext and it was a massive box office hit. Same with Ben-Hur, gay or not, its fine on its own as it would be without the subtext.
These are supposed to be religious epics, not flaming epics, after all. So the "story" (religious faith) pretty much IS the selling point.
ben tillman said...
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Based on what? Even if an infected person anally penetrates and ejaculates inside another person 150 times, the odds are still 50-50 as to whether the virus will be passed on.
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what probability model are we using here ?
what's p = probability of getting infected when penetrated anally by a carrier, once ?
For someone to have a 50/50 chance of not being infected after 150 such encounters, p needs to be insanely small.
Try this in wolframAlpha :
cdf binomial p=(0.5/109) n=150 where x=0
The p above is what you need to get a 50/50 chance of not being infected after 150 encounters.
That p is pretty small.
I doubt that getting jizzed in by an hiv+_dude carries only a 0.45% chance of getting infected.
And yeah I'm just showing off my wolframalpha skillz :)
What I find truly disgraceful in this event, as well as the countless other racially inflamed media events is the eagerness for people, especially white people to hate the hater. Many of the comments posted here make derogatory reference to the "Jew"-Jew this, Jew that, only exposing their own bigotry.
ReplyDeleteWhat is refreshing are the few on here, who like me, are sick of the race baiting and extreme double standard that exists and flourishes in today's America.
The black mayor of Monticello NY goes on a profanity laced racist rant and there is no mainstream media coverage-none-no attention-no outrage. I wonder how many of the same people that made condemning comments about Sterling showed the same disgust and vitriol toward Gordon Jenkins, who in true double standard fashion is still the mayor.
We are on the fast track to conformity of thought in America