The Dutch leftist legal professional who murdered in cold blood Pym Fortuyn, the candidate for prime minister on an immigration restriction platform, is out of prison after only 12 years. The assassin is usually identified as an "animal rights activist" to imply he was some kind of fringe wacko, but his testimony at his trial put him squarely in the mainstream of elite opinion on immigration in seeing Fortuyn's desire to stop Muslim immigration as beyond the pale. Indeed, the initial response of European Establishment figures in May 2002 was largely that Fortuyn had it coming.
Isn't a sentence like that typical for murder in northern Europe? If he was a leftist politician, though, I'm sure they would've found a way to lock him up longer.
ReplyDeleteI was genuinely shocked when I read that Fortuyn's murderer has been released. You'd think in a case of cold-blooded political murder, expressly aimed at sabotaging the democratic process, the punishment would be especially severe. 12 years in prison is hardly sufficient deterrence.
ReplyDeleteVarg Vikernes was a (relatively) well known norwegian black metal nazi who served 15 out of 21 years for murder and various church arsons.
ReplyDeleteThey're pretty lenient.
I think they will make an exception for Anders Breivik, though. It'd be amazing to see him actually come out even after 21 years. The norwegians have already said that they will use some expectional constitutional provisions to keep him in jail forever.
as the paleocons pointed out, pim fortuyn was effectively murdered by CorpGovMedia in western europe.
ReplyDeleteThere is a substantial percentage of the populace that can be manipulated by elite opinion to act and act violently.
The elite/corpgovmedia effectively not only consented to pim's murder, but also was the driving force behind his murder via the demonization of Pim in the media.
This is one reason CorpGovMedia comes down hard on those who advocate physical action against the elite. They know that there are some people who can be persuaded through public opinion to act.
For example, if 10 million americans got one the internet and started demanding that certain politicians and or media talking heads be put to death for treason against the american people, CorpGovMedia would act against such internet commentators.
Now CorpGovMedia never actually advocated that someone act against Pim, but they came very close to that.
The murderer of Pim was effectively weaponized by CorpGovMedia.
That is the privilege of the elite and not of the proles.
OT: David Frum has been blogging about immigration at The Atlantic recently. He's skeptical of continued low skilled immigration. It's quite a surprising viewpoint for such a center-liberal magazine:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/hispanic-immigration-and-poverty/361523/
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/immigration-reform-isnt-just-about-numbersits-about-skills-too/361650/
I knew that this guy wouldn't serve his entire sentence, and I think I predicted ~12 years (2/3rds of the original). This is pitiful when you consider that this was an unashamed political assassination. This was an attack, not just on an individual, but on the state as a whole. And it only merits 12 years.
ReplyDeleteso i guess...just start whacking your political opponents? if the penalty is only 12 years, why wouldn't you simply line up a bunch of guys to go kill almost every important person in the opposing political party? they'll all be dead, you'll win the elections, then your guys will all get out in only a dozen years after you've been the ruling party for a decade.
ReplyDeleteIn America if you kill your political opponent, you are called a terrorist. I suppose it's not the same in Europe, especially when one from the left kills one from the right.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of which, remember how Golden Dawn leadership was arrested because a lowly member killed a left winger. But I don't recall any arrests after the leftwingers murdered two Golden Dawn guys in retaliation. I also don't remember any leftwing parties having their leadership arrested and their campaign status challenged.
Maybe it's a who, whom thing.
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ReplyDeleteMaybe it's a who, whom thing."
It is always a who-whom thing.
Talk about a miscarriage of justice.
ReplyDeleteWhy do certain P.C. positional goods fetch a better price in the EU or Mexico or South America than in, say, California? Short of being pro-life there's nothing that crimps your odds in a statewide race more than wobbliness on the death penalty (N.B. the state is below the median in black % of population). Could this really all be Rose Bird's doing?
ReplyDeletePerhaps he'll follow Gerry Adams and get elected to the local government body.
ReplyDeleteWhen the MSN identified the Muslim - friendly murderer as an "animal rights activist", were they making a statement or a gaffe?
ReplyDeleteIt's Pim not Pym.
ReplyDelete"Isn't a sentence like that typical for murder in northern Europe? If he was a leftist politician, though, I'm sure they would've found a way to lock him up longer."
ReplyDeleteUnfortunatly in the case of the Netherlands, yes. Criminals get off easy. They basically get to stay in a government hotel.
Norway's sentencing is also a joke. See the sentence Breivik got and his demands for a new play station. It is insane.
Er. C'mon, guys.
ReplyDeleteAs bad as van der Graaf was, Breivik really was worse. At the same "lenient" rate, Breivik should get something like 828+ years for his 69 politically targeted victims, not 21 years extended only if he continues being an asshole (okay, that probably means a life sentence in practice, but still). This is an apolitical European thing, not a who-whom thing.
Varg Vikernes was a (relatively) well known norwegian black metal nazi who served 15 out of 21 years for murder and various church arsons.
ReplyDeleteInteresting to note that the church arsons were attributed to "Satanism" at the time, and that his victim was not a well-known politician but a rival black metal musician. (Actually his victim highly approved of the church arsons, because he himself considered himself Satanist. He was also a member of far-left Stalin worshipping groups, apparently because Stalin murdered millions and "vow, that's so evil! like Satan!") In other words, Vikernes was a murderer, but not a terrorist, unlike the Dutch murderer, who wanted to - as the commenter German_Reader before me put it - sabotage the democratic process.
As bad as van der Graaf was, Breivik really was worse.
ReplyDeleteBut van der Graaf's political side benefited from his actions, whereas Breivik harmed his own side. I think that in the spirit of Riggs v. Palmer this should also be a consideration.
Breivik didn't murder anyone highly significant, therefore enabled the left to gain sympathy votes (and tainted his own views and the anti-immigrant party or parties for a long time) without kicking out any organizational or political talent from the left.
On the other hand, Pim Fortuyn's party became unviable after the founder's death, so anti-immigration action probably was set back by at least five or ten years. (A visibly gay person was also to some extent protected from the left's most vicious attacks, so Fortuyn was also an asset in that sense.)
Moreover, Breivik was in Norway, not in Holland. Don't confuse the legal systems of different countries. In the Netherlands Breivik would have gotten life imprisonment, and as you can see in the link, actually life imprisonment is possible for a single murder, and even for manslaughter (non-planned killing) the maximum sentence is 15 years. For a premeditated murder the punishment is either prison for life or prison for up to 30 years. 12 years is quite lenient according to Dutch law, which means that the court didn't mind the disruption of the democratic process and the disintegration of an important political party.
ReplyDeleteSee also here.
I guess having people like him on the streets is useful for the Powers That Be. Must have a bunch of conservative politicians looking over their shoulder.
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing that Norway's Anders Breivik will not be free after 12 years?
12 years was the average time served for murder of a policeman in Northern Ireland.
ReplyDeleteThe rationale for coming to an agreement with Sinn Fein (basically the provisional IRA with their masks off) was to halt their electoral success. It hasn't worked and Gerry Adams is polling as the most popular politician in Ireland. Despite the body of the woman he is accused of murdering being discovered in his constituency.
"I think they will make an exception for Anders Breivik"
In Italy Fioravanti and Mambro got day release after less than 20 years.