November 6, 2009

Blowback from Invite the World / Invade the World

Adrian Blomfield of the neocon Daily Telegraph does a great job of giving the Ft. Hood shooter's Palestinian cousins in Ramallah in the West Bank (Ramallah is the capital of the Palestinian National Authority) enough rope:

Speaking from their home in the West Bank city of Ramallah, Hasan's relatives painted a picture of a man cornered into an act of "lunacy" by the repeated discrimination of his peers and an attempt by the army to force him to serve in Afghanistan.

"They discriminated against him because he was a Muslim," Mohammed Mohammed, one of Hasan's cousins, told the Daily Telegraph. "We're not trying to make excuses for him but what we were told was that he was under a lot of pressure.

"What we imagine is that he could not take this bad treatment and gave vent unfortunately." ...

In the house next door, Hasan's brother Anas had locked himself indoors with his wife, refusing to speak to anyone, including his relatives.

According to his cousins, Hasan was badly scarred by the deaths of his parents in 1998 and 2001. Along with his two brothers, he became increasingly devout, they said.

"They became very religious after their mother died," Mohammed Hasan said. "They were very observant. They prayed a lot."

Yet the two cousins insisted that the major's religion was not tinged with political fanaticism, although they said he had become increasingly withdrawn and uncommunicative in recent years.

Even so, they had little reason to believe that he was a man on the edge.

"Nidal is a very stable minded person," Mohammed Mohammed said. "Why would he kill? He was against violence.

"His actions could have been in self defence – we don't know. Maybe they angered him to the point of cornering him and he felt he had no option."

They angrily rejected suggestions that their cousin's shooting spree had been motivated by a hatred for America or as an act of terrorism.

"My cousin is not a terrorist," said Mohammed Hasan. "He was born in America, he graduated from Virginia (Tech) University. He was proud to be graduate. He was always preaching about the US education system. He was an optimistic person. He loved life."

Although he had always wanted to follow other members of his family into the army, Hasan was shocked that he was never accepted as a true American, the cousins said.

He was constantly taunted and provoked until six months ago, he hired a lawyer to sue the army, the cousins said, explaining they kept in touch with developments in Hasan's life either through telephone calls to him and his family or from Hasan's brother, who returned to the West Bank four years ago.

They heard that he had become increasingly unhappy, both at the treatment of his peers and also because he had been ordered to deploy "in Iraq and Afghanistan". But the two cousins insisted that Hasan's opposition to being sent abroad was as much because he was planning to marry. [Whom?]

The two men also denounced the attention being given in the media to Hasan's religion.

"Had Hasan been a pure American, there wouldn't have been such a fuss about it," said Mohammed Mohammed. "There has been a lot of stress in the media about how he was an Arab, a Palestinian, a Muslim."

"If he had been someone else, he would immediately been identified by the government as a lunatic and the subject would have been closed."

"Our religion does not support violence, as the West believes."

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67 comments:

RWF said...

" My cousin is not a terrorist," said Mohammed Hasan. "He was born in America, he graduated from Virginia (Tech) University. He was proud to be graduate. "

What is it about Virginia Tech?

robert61 said...

"Had Hasan been a pure American, there wouldn't have been such a fuss about it," said Mohammed Mohammed.

Erm...no sh1t, Mohammed Mohammed.

By the way, I wonder if Mohammed Mohammed liked Abdullah Abdullah in the Afghan election.

Anonymous said...

What is it about Virginia Tech?

Actually, there was a lot of speculation that Cho might have been - if not an actual practicing Muslim - then at least in touch with Jihadists [and an admirer of them].

Anonymous said...

Good thing there was a tough Scotch-Irish bitch on hand to put four hollow tip slugs into Hasan's ass.

Felipe said...

What is it about Virginia Tech?
V Tech - we turn cultural outsiders into embittered psychopaths.

Tino said...

The media is blaming this on combat stress; it has nothing to do with religion. Muslims make up less than 0.5% of the US military, and it just happens that the biggest massacre after 8 years of warfare is committed by a Muslim.

Are the other 99.5% of the military not under stress? Why don’t we see murder-sprees by white protestant soldiers who don’t want to be deployed overseas? Or maybe we are supposed to believe doctors are in more danger than actual combat units…

You should be glad you don’t read the European media. The Swedish media took over one day to even report the name and religion of the killer. The largest Swedish newspaper writes, as a matter of fact, that religion was not a motivator of the actions (they apparently can read minds).

I just hope Pat Buchanan doesn’t write that this is Americas fault for pushing those sweet innocent Palestinians around.

Dennis Mangan said...

The idea that Hasan was the victim of some sort of harassment beggars belief. In the PC military, anyone who called attention in a derogatory way to someone's religion, especially a Muslim, would get the book thrown at him.

Svigor said...

PC is responsible for the 13 dead and 30 wounded at Fort Hood. Without PC, this guy would've been bounced from the military years ago.

I'm really enjoying the heavy hints that the media's been dropping, suggesting that he was overwhelmed by his job dealing with PTSD patients.

Yeah, that's how it works; you give too much, you care too much, and you just snap. One day you're saving their souls, the next, blowing them away. Sure, makes perfect sense.

"They discriminated against him because he was a Muslim,"

Every white American needs to stop taking this horseshit at face value. This sort of statement should not be allowed to go without follow-up questions. Who discriminated against him? When? Where? How? Demand concrete examples, specifics, details.

We're not trying to make excuses for him but what we were told was that he was under a lot of pressure.

Yeah, he was going to have to ride a couch in some green zone in Iraq.

What we imagine is that he could not take this bad treatment and gave vent unfortunately.

What bad treatment? At the hands of whom? I want details.

In the house next door, Hasan's brother Anas had locked himself indoors with his wife, refusing to speak to anyone, including his relatives.

Better find out who's been discriminating against this guy, too.

His actions could have been in self defence – we don't know.

...

Maybe they angered him to the point of cornering him and he felt he had no option.

I see. He killed 13 unarmed people to defend himself. Good thing they aren't making excuses for him.

Not for the first time, I'm forced to consider far left white separatism. Clearly, white people are inherently racist and oppressive and incapable of being good neighbors. We need to be locked away from other races to protect them from the ineradicable racism that permeates every atom of our beings. No one is safe among us. Separatism is the only way to save the human race from our malevolence. Only a truly racist person would allow non-whites anywhere near us, which is why all the most powerful integrationists are whites - they're clearly filled with a murderous hate for non-whites.

My cousin is not a terrorist," said Mohammed Hasan. "He was born in America, he graduated from Virginia (Tech) University.

Yet, he told his Imam and his mosque that his nationality is "Palestinian." I don't blame him; why would any non-white want to associate himself with the crypto-racist-fascist American nationality?

Although he had always wanted to follow other members of his family into the army, Hasan was shocked that he was never accepted as a true American, the cousins said.

See?

Had Hasan been a pure American, there wouldn't have been such a fuss about it," said Mohammed Mohammed. "There has been a lot of stress in the media about how he was an Arab, a Palestinian, a Muslim.

That's because the media is racist! They're all progressive integrationists who want to murder non-whites via proxy (what other motive can one have for wanting to place innocent human beings in proximity to ineradicably and inherently racist white people?). These people and their agenda have to be stopped; quarantine whites away from the rest of the human race now, before they can do any more harm!

Svigor said...

Good thing there was a tough Scotch-Irish bitch on hand to put four hollow tip slugs into Hasan's ass.

See? Racist honkeys everywhere. And she'll be lauded as a hero, no doubt - this is what whites do with whites who shoot persons of non-whiteness.

Mount Shasta Inquirer said...

Jason Rodriguez has a facebook page --58 friends. Someone could ask all those in Orlando why he did it. A few friends are in Mexico, none in Cuba, so I would guess he is not Cuban.

Svigor said...

And don't bother telling me that all it takes is education. Whites are inherently and ineradicably racist haters. We've known all about our evil ways for at least half a century later, and the problem only gets worse and worse; every year we see an increase in media reports of racism (which is strange because clearly the media people are the biggest white racists of all). There's only one solution, the Final Solution to the White Problem; lock the devils away from humanity now!

Sontag Separatism baby!

The only problem is the issue of "good whites," (a difficult concept to understand, and an oxymoron) and what to do with them. I suppose they should be allowed to choose where they live, since they shouldn't be punished, forced to live with the bad whites (another difficult concept, since it implies they're exceptional, when they're actually the great majority; it's also redundant).

(would "Briar Patch Separatism" be too obvious?)

Anonymous said...

Actually, there was a lot of speculation that Cho might have been - if not an actual practicing Muslim - then at least in touch with Jihadists [and an admirer of them].

I think it's much more significant that each man was socially retarded. Same goes for the Binghamton shooter.

jody said...

it's all rather ridiculous, especially the now-standard knee jerk response from american leaders that americans should not notice that the guy was a muslim from jordan, nor should they, if they had noticed this detail, think that it could have had anything to do with why he shot 40 people.

Mouthbreather said...

I would guess that a fair amount of the discrimination/discomfort etc... he may have received came in the form of funny looks and very carefully worded objections when he did stuff like

1. make a presentation at a professional psychiatric conference about the Koran's commandment that unbelievers be tortured and killed

2. evangelize for Islam with his patients.

Ian said...

The fact that this nutjob was a *psychiatrist*, of all things, reminds me of #2 from this Letterman top ten list from twenty years ago.


Top Ten Summer Jobs in Hell
========================================================================
10. Intestine adjuster
9. Professional bowler chaperone
8. Pit bull tickler
7. Rex Reed's living chair
6. Cleveland Indians ticket scalper
5. Personal scratcher to Mr. Ed Asner
4. Understudy to big Kool-Aid pitcher
3. Hornet groomer
2. Staff psychologist, Islamic Jihad
1. Human axle, Raymond Burr's town car


It also reminds me of the LOLz I get whenever I see oxymoronic phrases like "Feminist Mental Health Professional" or "Afrocentric Mental Health". I pity the energy such people must expend attempting to reconcile the unreconcilable.

Fred said...

"Good thing there was a tough Scotch-Irish bitch on hand to put four hollow tip slugs into Hasan's ass."

And to think it was only yesterday that a commenter on this blog was harping about how women don't have the pain tolerance or testosterone or something necessary to close with the enemy. Some do, apparently.

Anonymous said...

"The idea that Hasan was the victim of some sort of harassment beggars belief."

Naive.

Of course they could get away with calling him names without intervention.

Reactionary said...

Steve, you are way out of your league as usual. Arab Muslims will exploit any sign of weakness, and Fort Hood is weak, weak, weak. You've never been there so you don't know: the place is absolute murder for Scots-Irish trying to bag chicks. WASP screenwriters and critical legal theorists from Indianapolis and Nashville have totally poisoned the well for all us stalwart American patriots from Hollywood and Manhattan trying to catch a little action. It was only a matter of time before Al Qaida smuggled a briefcase-terrorist there by container ship. You never saw it coming because you're a doe-eyed dreamer unwilling to face the dire threat posed by the Robert Taft-Muslim axis.

Cordelia said...

Svigor: "PC is responsible for the 13 dead and 30 wounded at Fort Hood."

I agree with you, Svigor ... but I'm also getting a little tired of blaming a behaviour or an ideology or whatever you want to call it.

I think we ought to start blaming some people, for example in this case all the individuals who should've done something about this guy when they realized he was unstable. They should be held accountable.

More importantly, I think we ought to start naming and blaming all the politicians and policy makers out there who have had a hand in creating this wonder multicultural society we're now stuck with.

I want NAMES. And I want them to be held ACCOUNTABLE.

Svigor said...

So he snapped due discrimination, anti-war sentiment, fear of deployment, or desire to muster out.

Let's develop a profile: Muslims or Arabs in sensitive positions who display one or more of the following: claims discrimination; anti-war sentiment; fear of deployment; desire to muster out.

Works for me.

SF said...

One person who looked really stupid last night was Dr. Phil on CNN, who in a very politically correct fashion chastised the other panelist for saying that we should look at the shooter's name and possible Islamic background for an explanation, before we call it a case of PTSD.
Larry King at least let them duke it out and didn't take sides.

Jimmy Crackedcorn said...

Muslims make up less than 0.5% of the US military, and it just happens that the biggest massacre after 8 years of warfare is committed by a Muslim.

Try barely 0.3% of active duty Army, and less than 0.3% of combined active/reseve/guard - according to military stats, 1,563 active, 436 guard, 581 reserve. There are about 1,106,000 in the active, reserve and guard components of the Army.

Muslims are at least 1% of the US population, somewhat more likely to be of military age, yet one-third as likely, at best, to serve in the miltary as Americans on average.

Jason Rodriguez has a facebook page --58 friends. Someone could ask all those in Orlando why he did it. A few friends are in Mexico, none in Cuba, so I would guess he is not Cuban.

This reminds me - a week or so ago after they announced the names of the murderer's of the COnnecticut football player I looked them up on Facebook. John Lomax, who is black, had 366 friends. He now has 368. Hakim M, also black, had 313 friends. He now has 310.

Who are these people, and why do they remain friends with murderers, or even request to be friends after charges have been made?

Anonymous said...

I thought there were three shooters at Fort Hood? That's what early media reports said, that there was Hasan and then two more taken into custody.

What happened to those other two?

jody said...

you know, it just struck me how different obama reacted to fort hood versus his reaction to the cambridge police fiasco/beer summit of 09.

obama's literal words on the fort hood shooting were "I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts." as if the average american was an idiot for getting the correct, short and sweet take on the situation: the shooter was a muslim who had a problem being deployed in action against other muslims, so he shot 40 non-muslims.

obama sure didn't take his own advice when his friend got arrested in massachusetts though. he instantly ran his mouth in front of all of the television cameras, telling everybody the police clearly screwed up. he waited for zero facts.

Anonymous said...

Do whites commit crimes anymore? Doesn't seem like it...

Anonymous said...

Saw Shepard Smith interviewing this muslim psychos cousin.... as soon as he started in with the harassment I went ballistic- Shepard really pussed out by not calling him on it

Good for that woman- still they shouldn't be in the military

He had Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder apparently because he hadn't done sh#t

Obama gave a shout out to Big John Crowe or some such- then talked about the deadly massacre.... priorities

Mohammed Mohammed....what a great religion and culture

Dan in Dc

green mamba said...

I'm not sure what's more sad, disturbing and ridiculous: the fact that a devout Muslim with observed jihadist sympathies was allowed to function as an officer and psychiatrist in the U.S. military, or the clueless p.c. reactions to this event of most of the American press.

Bob said...

"tough Scotch-Irish bitch"

The police officer who shot the killer appears to be French on both sides of her family. Her father's last name is Barbour and her grandmother has the very french name of Monirie Metz. From grama's facebook page she has an uncle Jean Metz.

Alias said...

"They discriminated against him because he was a Muslim,"

Every white American needs to stop taking this horseshit at face value. This sort of statement should not be allowed to go without follow-up questions. Who discriminated against him? When? Where? How? Demand concrete examples, specifics, details.

Hear, hear. Actually, the makeer of the documentary "A Conversation on Race" does just this. First, he asks a bunch of NAMs how often they experience racism. The overwhelming response is "Of course! Always1 Every day!" Then he asks for specific examples. Lots of hemming hawing follows and a total failure to back up the earlier claim with genuine specific examples.

More reliable sources have revealed that the guy was a belligerent, in-your-face Muslim who even tried to proselytize his patients. The fact that people did not cotton to this was probably what constituted "discrimination".

Chris said...

The police officer who shot the killer appears to be French on both sides of her family


Metz is German and Barbour is Scottish/Irish.

Bob said...

Considering that (1) Metz is the name of a French city (2) someone else from the family is male but named "Jean" it is pretty safe bet this part of the family is french.

Barbour can be French or Scottish. Given they are from North Carolina though you may be right Scottish is the better assumption.

guest007 said...

People are missing a couple of theories. Could it be that Dr Hasan was a scammer who wanted the military to pay for his medical education but did not want to to the service to make the repayments.

The idea that DR Hasan had been trying to get out of the ARmy for several years does not make sense. Dr Hasan had just completed a fellowship that would have extended his payback time in the military.

Dr Hasan was probably very happy to be in the military while he got to live in Silver Spring and live a very civilian type of life. However, when went to Fort Hood and then being order to deploy ruined the scammed and pushed him over the edge.

The most likely scenario is that DR Hasan went postal because all of his scamming and long term plans to take advantage of the military had collapsed.

Simon said...

Obviously his relatives lie. If you know Arabs, you know they have a different relationship to the truth than Anglos do, and even Anglos will try to exculpate their murderous relations.

I think claims that this guy was not a jihadist are so obviously ridiculous, they may be doing the cultural Marxists more harm than good this time among those not entirely brainwashed.

The Telegraph - 'Torygraph' - is traditionally what US calls movement-conservative, with a strong traditionalist Catholic influence. 'The Times' is Murdoch's right-liberal/conservative broadsheet UK paper and is normally much more consistently neoconnish than the Telegraph, in my experience.

Underachiever said...

"Soldiers reported that the gunman shouted 'Allahu Akbar!' — an Arabic phrase for 'God is great!' — before opening fire Thursday"

I am SURE it had nothing to do with religion.

dearieme said...

"The police officer who shot the killer appears to be French on both sides of her family." She's just earned promotion to Scotch-Irish.

togo said...

If Ft Hood-like all US military bases-didn't have such strict gun control the body count would have been a lot less. Apparently only the civilian contractor base cops are allowed to carry.

Maybe, for example -to adjust for the exigencies of our now diverse multicultural military- all combat arms officers and NCO's E7 and up should be required to carry sidearms while on base.

rec1man said...

Lee Kuan Yue on muslims in the armed forces of Singapore
--

This was Mr Lee's reply: "Yes, I think so, over a long period of time, and selectively. We must not make an error.

"If, for instance, you put in a Malay officer who's very religious and who has family ties in Malaysia in charge of a machine-gun unit, that's a very tricky business.

"We've got to know his background. I'm saying these things because they are real, and if I don't think that, and I think even if today the Prime Minister doesn't think carefully about this, we could have a tragedy.

"So, these are problems which, as poly students, you're colour-blind to, but when you face life in reality, it's a different proposition."

Paavo said...

"Our religion does not support violence, as the West believes."

I think it does. I bet there are a lot devout christians who are depressed and lonely and go a bit extreme. They might start harassing their friends and relatives and every passerby with the Gospel, but they don't have the option to mass murder people in the name of their religion. If they had i bet a few of them every other year would commit some massacre in the name of Jesus.

Svigor said...

Actually, the makeer of the documentary "A Conversation on Race" does just this.

That's where I got the idea, well, from a review anyway - I haven't seen it yet.

none of the above said...

Is there a strong reason to see this as terrorism rather than the more generic mass shooting at work (a la the VA Tech wacko)? I mean, you can plug in a political motive given the war on terror, but what is the evidence that this actually explains the attack better than the more common "cracked pot finally came apart" explanation? It can't just be because he's Muslim, because we've had plenty of non-Muslim mass shooters. It can't just be because he's in the army, because we've had other army mass-shootings/attacks on fellow soldiers.

I expect the army will do a serious investigation, and hopefully they'll come to some solid answers. Right now, I don't see how we can know what motivated the guy.

Anonymous said...

Metz is in Lorraine, so whether it is a French city or German city depends on what period of history you're looking at. For example, Heinz Harmel, the 10th SS Panzer Division commander at Arnhem, was from Metz. Whether Sgt. Munley is Scotch-Irish, French or German is trivial, what she is, is 120lbs of ready-for-action.

Dutch Boy said...

A clear case of Sudden Jihad Syndome (SJS). Soon to be listed in the DSM of psychiatric diseases. BTW -Muslims have a doctrine of dissimulation called taqiyyah. It is used to deceive infidels (the enemy). Nothing a Muslim says about his religion can be taken at face value; their true beliefs come out in unguarded moments like the interview with Maj. Nidal's relatives or in study of the actual practices of Muslims and Islamic societies. There are quotations supporting any side of an argument in the Koran (as Mohammed changed his teachings based on the response they got). The actual relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims has always been of two kinds: with Muslims in control -death or dhimmitude for the unbelievers; with non-believers in control - Islam is the religon peace and tolerance. It is the formula cited by the French philosopher Louis Veuillot in the 19th century:"When you are the stronger I ask you for my freedom, for that is your principle; when I am the stronger I take away your freedom for that is MY principle."

greenrivervalleyman said...

guest007 said...

People are missing a couple of theories. Could it be that Dr Hasan was a scammer who wanted the military to pay for his medical education but did not want to to the service to make the repayments.

The idea that DR Hasan had been trying to get out of the ARmy for several years does not make sense. Dr Hasan had just completed a fellowship that would have extended his payback time in the military.


Simon says...


Obviously his relatives lie. If you know Arabs, you know they have a different relationship to the truth than Anglos do


Bingo! Here is a classic article from The Atlantic on life in the Palestinian camps. One of my favorite excerpts:


A woman of forty or so, with a face like the best and juiciest apple, and lively eyes, seized me and hauled me into her house. She began, with gestures, to deliver an oration. She touched the ceiling with contempt, pulling bits away; she called upon heaven to witness her misery. Her voice soared and fell in glorious rhythms. She loved doing it and I loved watching it. In mutual delight, we smiled more and more as the tale of woe unfolded, until she could keep it up no longer, burst into roars of laughter, and kissed me copiously. My guide seemed unduly glum about all this, perhaps because this day we were three; a European UNRWA official had joined us.

"She is a big liar," said my guide, when we had left her house. "She lies as she breathes. We gave her all the material for a new roof. She sold it. She is so poor that she is going to make a pilgrimage to Mecca this year. She does not have to make a pilgrimage. Do you know what that costs? One thousand pounds."

"I loved her," I said. "She's one of my favorite types of people in the world. A really jolly open crook. I hope she has a wonderful time at Mecca."

"But we have to fix her roof anyhow," said the UNRWA official.


To a Northern European, or even one assimilated to Northern European norms, honesty, probity, and the inviolability of a man's word (inclusive of the debts he assumes) are simply givens. Speaking for myself, I find it hard even to haggle with specialty goods manufacturers (e.g. audiophile equipment makers) over the list prices in their catalogs, even though I realize it is customary for their sales people to give HUGE discounts under the right circumstances.

As one moves closer to the Mediterranean and further east, though, these norms quickly break down. Hasan may have had a very real abhorrence of being either deployed to a combat zone, or else being called upon to fight fellow-Muslims. But in typical Arab/Oriental fashion, he took the up-front gain/back-end pain opportunity before him with the notion that he'd be able to weasel his way out of his obligations when they finally came due. The catastrophic condition of most Arab/Muslim societies can be traced to such high-risk/low trust behaviorisms, and I think it would be a big step forward for Steve, intellectually, to begin addressing them with all due seriousness. After all, the Arab-Euro IQ gap is relatively modest, yet in the scale and quality of their dysfunctions, Orientals can sometimes make black Africans look like friggin' Romulans.

Anonymous said...

I am an undercover White Nationalist in a Southern California beach community where I socialize with a lot of Arabs and Muslims. I know these people and their mentality pretty intimately.

This atrocity was about Islam, despite media lies to the contrary. But I sense that media attempts to pin it on other causes are not working. Maybe Americans are waking up?

Islam is less a religion and more a crude form of pan-Arab nationalism. If you know Arabs, you will know that Arab Muslims see themselves as the "chosen people," much like the Jews.

Arabs actually look down on other races that adopt Islam. They especially look down on those other Muslims who can't read Arabic, since, according to them one can only gain a true understanding of the Koran by reading it in Arabic.

Arabs practically venerate the "white" Arabs of Lebanon, Syria, and Turkey for their looks and sophistication.

Pakistanis try to compensate for their non-Arabness by becoming more Muslim than the Arabs. In my community, the trouble-makers are the Pakis.

The more moderate Muslims of my acquaintance are almost ALL "White," educated, Europeanized Arabs from Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, and Iran.

For these people, Islam is more of a cultural thing--not just a religion.

Earlier this morning after the gym I stopped by the local mosque and Muslim elementary school to do a little ‘recon’ with my digital camera (you never know when this info will come in handy for future ops , and there were three (3) police cruisers parked outside the buildings. WTF?! The cops (2 white, 1 Asian) were standing beside the motor cars talking. I took a photo anyway.

There are many Muslims in this city. As I said, the ones who seem to cause the most trouble are the Pakis. I know of two Muslims (Pakistanis) who have discussed going to Afghanistan to fight US troops. Another Muslim acquaintance, a very young European-looking Lebanese dude, has also talked about going to Afghanistan because, according to him, that is where the Mahdi will appear.

He gets these ideas from a local Pakistani imam. Surprise surprise!

Matra said...

"Had Hasan been a pure American"

Looks like Hasan's relative in the Middle East doesn't buy into the proposition nation.

josh said...

A)Shouldnt be in the military? How about-shouldnt be in the United States! Or better yet,shouldnt be in Christendom. (To use an old word you dont hear,for some reason,too much)They represent the absolute antitheses of what it is to be an American. They dont belong here!!B) We are told we must endure the endless war because when we stop,the terrorists will regroup and come right over here and kill us. But the terrorists are here now,they come thru IMMIGRATION.And get race-prefrences,no doubt. Reminds me of a Bill Cosby line:"When I got out of HS I entered the service...the dropouts had all the jobs!"

Svigor said...

Okay, so apparently the Army hasn't carried out a death sentence in 50 years. And they use lethal injection. That's just depressing, knowing the military probably won't execute this guy for red-handed murder of 14 people (including the baby).

Tim said...

Proposition nation is a neocon fraud but there are few intellectuals with the courage to speak the truth. Family ties, history and culture should not matter in America. It should only matter in Israel.

Anonymous said...

Was he wearing a black trenchcoat?

togo said...

Is there a strong reason to see this as terrorism rather than the more generic mass shooting at work (a la the VA Tech wacko)? I mean, you can plug in a political motive given the war on terror, but what is the evidence that this actually explains the attack better than the more common "cracked pot finally came apart" explanation?

Maybe then we should reassign Timothy McVeigh to the "cracked pot finally came apart" category?

corvinus said...

Arabs practically venerate the "white" Arabs of Lebanon, Syria, and Turkey for their looks and sophistication.

The more moderate Muslims of my acquaintance are almost ALL "White," educated, Europeanized Arabs from Lebanon, Syria, Turkey, and Iran.

For these people, Islam is more of a cultural thing--not just a religion.


It's ironic that a large chunk of those people are Maronite Catholics and not Muslim at all...

Pat Shuff said...

Svigor--

Not for the first time, I'm forced to consider far left white separatism. Clearly, white people are inherently racist and oppressive and incapable of being good neighbors. We need to be locked away from other races to protect them from the ineradicable racism that permeates every atom of our beings. No one is safe among us. Separatism is the only way to save the human race from our malevolence.

~~~~~~~

Svigor you hit that riff numerous times with some nice chord progressions for a blues fan like me. Some people just ain't got no class.

Truth said...

"you know, it just struck me how different obama reacted to fort hood versus his reaction to the cambridge police fiasco/beer summit of 09."

Comparison of a mass murder massacre to a a friend getting arrested for disorderly conduct ...Oh-Kay!

"She's just earned promotion to Scotch-Irish."

Promotion or demotion?

Svigor said...

Pat, it's kinda fun; you can get away with saying ANYTHING YOU WANT about whites. Well, some of them.

****

The Koran back in Hasan's apartment means nothing. "Allahu Akbar" means nothing. "The Muslims in Iraq should rise up against the aggressor" and "we shouldn't be over there" mean nothing.

But the copy of The Turner Diaries in McVeigh's apartment? Priceless.

Anonymous said...

greenrivervalleyman wrote:
"...The catastrophic condition of most Arab/Muslim societies can be traced to such high-risk/low trust behaviorisms,..."

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The catastrophic conditions of much of the world can be traced to a culture of corruption and lies. Look at the map at Transparency.org

http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/20082

Melykin said...

greenrivervalleyman wrote:
"...The catastrophic condition of most Arab/Muslim societies can be traced to such high-risk/low trust behaviorisms..."
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The catastrophic conditions of much of the world can be traced to cultures of lies and corruption. Look at the map of the corruption perception index at transparency.org

http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/20082

When it comes to immigrants, it is not their race or religion or language or IQ I worry about. It is their dishonesty and corruption.

Alias said...

Svigor: "A Conversation on Race" is well worth seeing. No ideas that haven't been discussed here many times, but it's interesting to see them unfold in real time, as it were. The filmmaker does a good job of presenting his points as fairly and patiently as possible. Find it at Google videos.

Jimmy Crackedcorn said...

Okay, so apparently the Army hasn't carried out a death sentence in 50 years. And they use lethal injection. That's just depressing, knowing the military probably won't execute this guy for red-handed murder of 14 people (including the baby).

Funny how quickly we've all forgotten that other Hasan: Hasan Karim Akbar, the 101st Airborne sergeant who fragged two of his officers at the beginning of the Iraq War. I have yet to see this case mentioned anywhere in connection with the Ft. Hood incident.

Akbar has been given the death sentence, but his appeals aren't yet over.

Akbar was quoted after his arrest as saying: "You guys are coming into our countries, and you're going to rape our women and kill our children."

But, of course, the military hasn't a clue about the motive. Like now there were red flags all around: when the soldiers were watching Apocalypse Now, he openly laughed at a scene where US soldiers were hit by a grenade.

No, treason was not among the charges.

guest007 said...

greenrivervalleyman

If you look at the personal History of Dr Hasan, it does not support the militant Islam. His parents operated a bar and a store that sold beer. The claim that Dr Hasan considered the military his life is not support by his not participating in ROTC while at Virginia Tech and the four years between graduating from Va Tech and his start at USUHS.

The going straight from a residency to a fellowship program in the same city indicates that Dr Hasan was a scammer. Dr Hasan spent a decade living in Silver Spring close to relatives and a Muslim community. He probably had little interest in the military except for what he could get out of it.

I also suspect, judging from his picture, that he was not physically fit and used medical profiles from having to take his semi-annual physical fitness test. Dr Hasan could have also been trying to eat his way out of the Army by being fat.

The best way to look at the Middle East Muslim world is an idea I first saw in the writing of an American who taught in Saudi Arabia for a year: To a Muslim, you are never their equal.

frantic death monkey said...

His cousins have the audacity to say he might have been acting in self defense?? Are you KIDDING me?

Anonymous said...

Oh, can't you just hear the Euros, and their Human Rights Court yell and scream if we so much as mentioned the death penalty for Hasan?

Obama would never stand up to them with "Get over it already. We do things here the way WE determine, not the way YOU determine."

Anonymous said...

Let's not forget that the loyalty of Arabs and Muslims is to family, tribe, and clan - not nation. This is true in the Middle East, and it is true for immigrants in America. Don't expect great patriotism from Arab-Americans for at least a few more generations.

Jimmy Crackedcorn said...

Oh, can't you just hear the Euros, and their Human Rights Court yell and scream if we so much as mentioned the death penalty for Hasan? Obama would never stand up to them with "Get over it already. We do things here the way WE determine, not the way YOU determine."

Obama's pardoning of Hasan will earn him his second Nobel Peace Prize.

Mark Steyn just reminded me of John Derbyshire's post-9/11 aphorism: "Better screwed than rude."

Indeed.

Nick Rowe said...

I seem to recall there was quite a "fuss" made when Tim McVeigh, a pure American, blew up a federal building. Some people accused every militia group and right-wing gun lover of terrorism.

Fuss. He actually calls this a fuss?

Thirteen soldiers murdered and 30 wounded by a fanatic muslim Army officer. Why all the fuss?

When Japanese Americans were interned during WWII, Nisei citizens proved their loyalty by joining the 442nd Regimental Combat Team which became the most decorated unit in US military history. They earned 21 Medals of Honor and almost 9500 Purple Hearts.

I don't see many muslims rushing to enlist and prove their loyalty and moderation by fighting or assisting in the fight against radical islamists. I've known some, but not nearly enough, and I can't vouch for the hidden intentions of every muslim I knew who enlisted.

Jimmy Crackedcorn said...

They earned 21 Medals of Honor and almost 9500 Purple Hearts.

I aree with your point about the 442nd and the Japanese proving their loyalty, but all but 1 or 2 of those Medals of Honor were issued during the Clinton Administration (including one to a Democratic senator) during Eric Shinseki's tenure as Army Chief of Staff, supposedly because the 442nd was denied them during the war due to prejudice.

In Band of Brothers, however, I read that there were limits placed on how many MoH's could be issued. For example Medals of Honor were limited to one per division for the D-Day invasion, so even if a soldier committed an act that would generally qualify for the medal, he could be denied it because someone in his division (generally 12-18 thousand men) had already earned it.

Were those same limits taken into consideration when the DoD issued all those MoH's to the 442nd nearly 50 years later? Also, was there political pressure by the Clinton Administration to issue more MoH's than deserved in order to boost Asian support for the Dmeocrats?

I wonder if these questions have ever been asked, or if doing so would be considered a HateQuestion.

Jimmy Crackedcorn said...

Also re: the 442nd's Medals of Honor:

For World War II about 5,000 Distinguished Service Crosses and 550 Medals of Honor were issued - or about 9x as many DSC's as MoH's. After the upgrades to Medals of Honor for the 442nd, they stood at 33 DSC's and 21 MoH's.

Something about that ratio seems a bit fishy to me.

David said...

Years ago I taught English as a Second Language to young people. The long-serving head of the Institute - a respected man of nice demeanor and liberal politics - once warned me suddenly, at an Institute picnic, not to trust Arab students.

"The Arab mind," he told me, in a calm, confident tone, "can not grasp the idea of objective truth. They can see no difference between telling the truth and telling a lie."

At the time, this example of "racism" surprised me. After all, what he had told me amounted to a declaration that a percentage of his charges was composed of congenital liars, merely on the basis of their "race color or national origin."

But I paused to reflect that I was an ignorant young tutor, and he was an older but idealistic man (witness his profession) with years of practical dealings in such matters behind him. Moreover, his remark had not been hissed quietly in hatred, but was stated at a normal volume with no shame, as if it were a self-evidency on a par with "It looks like rain" or "I like strawberries." And so I kept my mouth shut. Thank God.

(I wish, though, that I'd had the enterprise to quiz him about what specifically had led him to his opinion.)