December 6, 2009

Tiger Woods accused of being a racist hound

From the AP:
Tiger's troubles widen his distance from blacks

By JESSE WASHINGTON

Amid all the headlines generated by Tiger Woods' troubles - the puzzling car accident, the suggestions of marital turmoil and multiple mistresses - little attention has been given to the race of the women linked with the world's greatest golfer.

Except in the black community.

When three white women were said to be romantically involved with Woods in addition to his blonde, Swedish wife, blogs, airwaves and barbershops started humming, and Woods' already tenuous standing among many blacks took a beating.

... "The question everyone in America wants to ask you is, how many white women does one brother waaant?"

As one blogger, Robert Paul Reyes, wrote: "If Tiger Woods had cheated on his gorgeous white wife with black women, the golfing great's accident would have been barely a blip in the [black] blogosphere."

The darts reflect blacks' resistance to interracial romance. They also are a reflection of discomfort with a man who has smashed barriers in one of America's whitest sports and assumed the mantle of the world's most famous athlete, once worn by Muhammad Ali and Michael Jordan.

But Woods has declined to identify himself as black, and famously chose the term "Cablinasian" (Caucasian, black, Indian and Asian) to describe the racial mixture he inherited from his African-American father and Thai mother.

It's more accurate to say that Tiger has declined to identify himself as solely black, in the way that Barack Obama has.

Keep in mind that both of Tiger's parents were highly mixed too. Both were 1/4th Chinese, for example. His father was also 1/4th American Indian while his mother was 1/4th European.

This vexed some blacks, but it hasn't stopped them from claiming Woods as one of their own. Or from disapproving of his marriage to Elin Nordegren, despite blacks' historical fight against white racist opponents of mixed marriage.

On the one hand, Ebonie Johnson Cooper doesn't care that Tiger Woods' wife and alleged mistresses are white because Woods is "quote-unquote not really black."

"But at the same time we still see him as a black man with a white woman, and it makes a difference," said Johnson Cooper, a 26-year-old African-American from New York City. "There's just this preservation thing we have among one another. We like to see each other with each other."

Black women have long felt slighted by the tendency of famous black men to pair with white women, and many have a list of current transgressors at the ready.

"We've discussed this for years among black women," said Denene Millner, author of several books on black relationships. "Why is it when they get to this level ... they tend to go directly for the nearest blonde?"

This tendency may be more prominent due to a relative lack of interracial marriages among average blacks. Although a recent Pew poll showed that 94 percent of blacks say it's all right for blacks and whites to date, a study published this year in Sociological Quarterly showed that blacks are less likely to actually date outside their race than are other groups.

"There is a call for loyalty that is stronger in some ways than in other racial communities," said the author of the study, George Yancey, a sociology professor at the University of North Texas and author of the book "Just Don't Marry One."

The color of one's companion has long been a major measure of "blackness" - which is a big reason why the biracial Barack Obama was able to fend off early questions about his black authenticity.

"Had Barack had a white wife, I would have thought twice about voting for him," Johnson Cooper said.

So do Woods' women say something about the intensely private golfer's views on race?

"I would like to say no, but I think it garners a bit of a yes," Johnson Cooper said.

Carmen Van Kerckhove, founder of the race-meets-pop-culture blog Racialicious, said there have been frequent discussions on her site about the fine line between preference and fetish.

"Is there any difference between a white guy with a thing for blondes, and a non-white guy with a thing for blondes?" asked Van Kerckhove, who has a Chinese mother, a Belgian father and a husband born in America to parents from Benin.

She claims that Asians don't fully embrace Woods, either.

"There are two layers of suspicion toward him," Van Kerkhove said. "One toward the apparent pattern in the race of his partners, and the second in the way he sees himself. ... People have been giving him the side-eye for a while."

There's nothing wrong with wanting a mate who shares your culture, as long as it's for the right reasons, the comedienne Sheryl Underwood said after unleashing a withering Woods monologue on Tom Joyner's radio show.

"Would we question when a Jewish person wants to marry other Jewish people?" she said in an interview. "It's not racist. It's not bigotry. It's cultural pride."

"The issue comes in when you choose something white because you think it's better," Underwood said. "And then you never date a black woman or a woman of color or you never sample the greatness of the international buffet of human beings. If you never do that, we got a problem."

So, the complaint here is that there are no allegations as of yet that Tiger has cheated on his wife with a black or Asian or, presumably, an American Indian, Samoan, or pygmy negrito woman. I don't know, but considering how fast allegations are pouring in, that may just be a problem that takes care of itself.

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95 comments:

Anonymous said...

"This vexed some blacks, but it hasn't stopped them from claiming Woods as one of their own. Or from disapproving of his marriage to Elin Nordegren, despite blacks' historical fight against white racist opponents of mixed marriage."

It's so adorable when blacks adopt the same attitude as white racists.

airtommy said...

"It's not racist. It's not bigotry. It's cultural pride."

Racism and bigotry ARE cultural pride.

Kylie said...

Obama's selection of a black wife and his black preacherish singsong at the 2004 Dem convention were the two clearest signals to me that not only did he harbor serious political ambitions but he had a darned good chance at whatever office he chose.

Jimmy Crackedcorn said...

"Would we question when a Jewish person wants to marry other Jewish people?" she said in an interview. "It's not racist. It's not bigotry. It's cultural pride."

Yes, Jews get excused from racist behavior all the time. White parents want white daughter to marry white man = RACIST. Jewish parents want Jewish daughter to marry Jewish man = CULTURAL PRIDE or (ETHNO)RELIGION.

Can white (that would be European-American) parents say they want their white daughter to marry a white man for reasons of cultural pride, too? If any choice deserves to be off-limits to Diversicrats, the choice of whom an individual choooses to marry (and who parents wish for their child to marry) would I think be one of them.

Dennis Dale said...

When black journalists take up the subject of miscegenation, something akin to Sailer's Rule of Female Journalism is in effect. That or the curious labors of dung beetles.

Middletown Girl said...

But if Tiger Woods had killed a blonde woman and a white man, the black community--especially the gals--would have been screaming 'FREE TIGER, HE'S A BROTHA!!!'

saywhat said...

"Yes, Jews get excused from racist behavior all the time. White parents want white daughter to marry white man = RACIST. Jewish parents want Jewish daughter to marry Jewish man = CULTURAL PRIDE or (ETHNO)RELIGION."

That's because the assumption is that white people want their daughters to marry within their ethnicity because no other ethnicity is good enough. No one makes that assumption about minorities wanting their daughters to marry within ethnic lines because minorities have historically had lower social status as thus have less reason to think they are better than other ethnicities. Racism is a form of elitism; thus it's oxymoronic to call members of less elite ethnicities racist.

Anonymous said...

-"Had Barack had a white wife, I would have thought twice about voting for him," Johnson Cooper said.-

But having a white mom is OK...

Anonymous said...

"But if Tiger Woods had killed a blonde woman and a white man, the black community--especially the gals--would have been screaming 'FREE TIGER, HE'S A BROTHA!!!"

The fact that he didn't strike back, going to the hospital for stitches while his wife remained physically untouched, shows just how out of touch Tiger is with the black community.

Anonymous said...

"Both were 1/4th Chinese, for example."

Reminds me of black astronaut Mae Jemison who on African American Lives found she had 13% East Asian ancestry.

Those Chinese indentured servants in the South left a surprising mark.

saywhat said...

"It's more accurate to say that Tiger has declined to identify himself as solely black, in the way that Barack Obama has."

No that's not more accurate. Tiger Woods can not be both black & Asian anymore than he can be both tall & short. If you have significantly more sub-Saharan genes than the aveage person you are black just as if you have significantly more height than the average person you are tall. Both vary as a function of the country you are in, so Tiger might be tall & non-black in America, but black & non-tall in the Netherlands. Tiger has made the subjective judgement that he does not have enough sub-Saharan genes to qualify as black in America, just as a man who is 5'11" might make the subjective judgement that he doesn't have enough height to be considered tall in America. Tiger might also be thinking that his East Asian genes cancel out his sub-Saharan genes, in contrast to Obama whose non-black genes are white & thus genetically neutral.

Maguro said...

I don't know, but considering how fast allegations are pouring in, that may just be a problem that takes care of itself.


Agreed. I'd be shocked if Tiger hadn't sampled the greatness of the international buffet of human beings at least once or twice.

kudzu bob said...

In the unlikely event that Tiger is also found to have had affairs with black women, they will doubtless turn out to be of the light-skinned Halle Berry variety.

OneSTDV said...

I saw this coming immediately when I noticed a pattern amongst the mistresses (and his stunning wife). In fact, any frequenter of this site should have seen it coming considering the perspective offered in the cited article:

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/01/lot-of-black-women-fell-for-barack.html

OneSTDV said...

"If any choice deserves to be off-limits to Diversicrats, the choice of whom an individual choooses to marry (and who parents wish for their child to marry) would I think be one of them."

Nope. You don't even get that.

http://guywhite.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/a-whore-or-a-racist/

OhioStater said...

What do (or did) Elin and Tiger talk about over the dinner table? If I met a girl at a sports bar, and we had dinner, we could poke fun at the BCS, or Tim Donaghy on 60 minutes, or Brett Favre's age. What do Tiger and Elin have in common?

Nothing.

His problem is he probably didn't get along with his wife well enough to spend a lot of time with her. He had to look elsewhere for his excitement, like a Pilgrim moving to the US since there is no land for sale in England.

If he married someone he got along with, he'd spend more time at home, or his wife would spend more time on the road, and maybe this wouldn't have happened.

Tiger Woods personality as a result of his upbringing and profession are very white so its doubtful he has much in common with many black women, and its probable his ideal woman is not black.

Unfortunately, we'll never know.

With his fame he's unable to meet on the same level with most ladies, hence Tiger's need to screen women using very superficial criteria.

I think he would have a great time married to a female golfer and there's a fair number of good looking ones if that's his thing.

I didn't feel like I knew Tiger anyway since he was so "private" before, I'm looking forward to new version.

Juan said...

The problem, it would seem, is that Tiger Woods--in contrast to Barack Obama--actually IS post-racial.

Middletown Girl said...

Will gays complain that there isn't a single boy among Tiger's love interests? Will fat and ugly girls be next?

Anonymous said...

"Racism is a form of elitism; thus it's oxymoronic to call members of less elite ethnicities racist."

White ANTI-Racism is a form of elitism. The gist of your comment is that you're above the yokel who are dumb enough to be honest about preferring their own. The sentiment you expressed is elitist, and yet while expressing it you accused others of elitism. Unintentional humor - the best kind there is.

And of course non-whites frequently object to their kids marrying people who don't look like them because they think that those people aren't good enough for that. This is the whole point of the Indian caste system. And believe me, Chinese Malaysians don't think that Muslim Malays are good enough to marry their daughters either. And so on and so forth. And you yourself, with your comically transparent elitism, with your barely disguised sense of superiority over "racists", would probably be judged "not good enough" by a Japanese father if you ever wanted to marry his daughter. And although I am not Asian, I think he'd be right about it - you really aren't.

a2 said...

""There's just this preservation thing we have among one another. We like to see each other with each other.""

It's not about preservation, it's about the fact that blacks don't like the fact that they aren't desired by other races. As noted in the article they are the least likely to date outside of their; race; a big part of the reason is that other races don't want to date them (unless they're rich and preferrably mixed). That's where the anger comes from. And if Woods' mistresses had been black, you can bet black women would be crowing about it, saying how it was proof they were the queens, how their booties were all that, etc., even though everyone knows it's not true.

And it's not just black women, I'll note. As a white woman, I've had plenty of black men get pissy when I wouldn't go out with them and say "it's cause I'm black, right?" and other white and Asian women have that said to them too. I've dated Asians and Hispanics and I can say yes, if you're a black guy, you have a mark against you with a lot of women of the non-black races.

Jimmy Crackedcorn said...

Racism is a form of elitism; thus it's oxymoronic to call members of less elite ethnicities racist.

Tiger might also be thinking that his East Asian genes cancel out his sub-Saharan genes, in contrast to Obama whose non-black genes are white & thus genetically neutral.

Keep contributing, Saywhat, you're cracking me up.

It's nice to know that my entirely white genes (well, there was supposedly that Sioux great-great-great grandmother) are all "genetically neutral." What the hell does that mean? That they don't do anything? That I'm a figment of my own imagination?

kurt9 said...

Tiger Woods is right in defining himself as "Cablinaisn". Despite his skin color, he actually does not look black to me at all. He looks more Malay (S.E. Asian) to me. He is of sufficiently mixed race that he cannot be described as any of the races that make up his background. Why should he be considered "black" over any of the rest of his racial heritage? The fact that he recognizes all of his racial heritage indicates to me that he is well-balanced, emotionally speaking, and truly understand who he is. This is more that can be said for current president.

Anonymous said...

"Why is it when they get to this level ... they tend to go directly for the nearest blonde?"

Umm...because they're beautiful?

Ronduck said...

I wondered when the pygmy negritos would make another appearance.

Truth said...

"But having a white mom is OK..."

How did Barry get to choose his mom? If you can bottle that one, you'll make millions.

Anonymous said...

What's the mentality of this parade of white women who knew from the outset he was married, therefore knowing he'd have to be shared? Is it the groupie gene expressing itself? Seems like they're all pretty heavy on the makeup/ possible plastic surgery appearance. They look like high priced, part time call girls who connected with a well heeled, discreet customer. Symbiotic relationships, perhaps?

Anonymous said...

-If you can bottle that one, you'll make millions.-


Made plenty already, that was just for kicks. I figured the low IQ folks would respond. Glad you enjoyed it.

Truth said...

"What do Tiger and Elin have in common?

Nothing."

It's amazing how many people on the Steve-O-Sphere know the Woods intimately. I'd say probably more than the number who saw Wilt Chamberlin score 100 points live!

Anonymous said...

Tiger might also be thinking that his East Asian genes cancel out his sub-Saharan genes, in contrast to Obama whose non-black genes are white & thus genetically neutral.



Fascinating. So the genes of different races have .. polarity? Charge? Ph? The genes of white people are neutral while those of Asians are acidic and those of blacks are alkaline?

There's a whole new branch of genetics here waiting to be explored.

Anonymous said...

little attention has been given to the race of the women linked with the world's greatest golfer.





Isn't that a wonderful thing in the supposedly race-blind America which all good WaPo writers are supposed to strive for? Why all this hand-wringing?

Whiskey said...

What is interesting is to note the sexual choices of Black guys who are rich and famous. Ice T (wife Coco), Jay-Z (Beyonce), Puff Daddy (JLo), Chris Brown (Rihanna), Seal (Heidi Klum). Also, some of the women had a modicum of fame too. Coco was a Playboy Playmate, Beyonce, Rihanna, and JLo are famous singers who dabble in acting and make lots of money. Klum is a supermodel.

It seems when left to choice, women prefer dark men. While men prefer lighter women.

Cordelia said...

say what said: "Racism is a form of elitism; thus it's oxymoronic to call members of less elite ethnicities racist."

Say what???

Cordelia said...

"This makes Woods himself one-quarter Chinese, one-quarter Thai, one-quarter African American, one-eighth Native American, and one-eighth Dutch." [Wikipedia]

Hmmmm. So, the Chinese and the Thai ladies should be equally as p*ssed at Tiger as the African Americans sistahs!

(Unless it turns out that Tiger has had a touch of yellow fever along with his taste for shiny blondes.)

Udolpho.com said...

Sheryl Underwood has carved out a weird niche...probably one of the only comedians of the past ten years to speak warmly of George W. Bush in her act...also very raunchy so not to my taste

Chris said...

It's amazing how many people on the Steve-O-Sphere know the Woods intimately.

Woodses.

"Had Barack had a white wife, I would have thought twice about voting for him," Johnson Cooper said.

Lovely. Somehow I don't think a white man could escape that remark with his livelihood intact.

Anonymous said...

So because he hasn't "sampled the greatness" in her direction there's something wrong with him?

Cordelia said...

Whiskey said: "It seems when left to choice, women prefer dark men. While men prefer lighter women."

Well, Beyonce and Rhianna are both black (or part-black), so it's not strange they've gone for black men. Jennifer Lopez dumped Mr. Puffy and has now settled down with fellow puertorriqueño Marc Anthony.

Coco and Heidi fit your hypothesis, though. (But I don't! ;-) )

(God. I can't believe I've devoted brain cells to all these people!)

Simon said...

I for one am happy to accept Tiger as a proud member of the White race.

simon said...

a2:
"And it's not just black women, I'll note. As a white woman, I've had plenty of black men get pissy when I wouldn't go out with them and say "it's cause I'm black, right?""

It's usually not a lack of physical attractiveness that stops sensible white & Asian women from dating black men.

Strelnikov said...

After reading Steve's article on the racial envy and hatred directed at Woods from all sides (and also after reading this followup comment thread) I can now positively declare that the following is true:

God Is A Cynical Trickster.

Anonymous said...

I once set up a 2 phony accounts (1 male and 1 female) so I could explore an internet dating site and see what kind of people were saying what.

It really struck me how many obviously black women were checking "mixed race" or "other" in their profiles.

I think they did it because otherwise they would be quickly ignored by people who check a box and eliminate black women from their search results.

"It's not about preservation, it's about the fact that blacks don't like the fact that they aren't desired by other races."

I agree.

Anonymous said...

Racism is a form of elitism; thus it's oxymoronic to call members of less elite ethnicities racist.

Yikes! A cultural Marxist has slipped past the insect-o-cutor!

McGillicuddy said...

"There's just this preservation thing we have among one another. We like to see each other with each other."

Dude, I hear you.

"Umm...because they're beautiful?"

I thought you were going to say "whores".

Henry Canaday said...

Hey, this is the first interesting thing to happen in golf in my lifetime. Shouldn’t The Men Who Run Golf try to exploit, rather than suppress, it? Why not let each pro-tour golfer bring his string of transcontinental Charlenas along with him on the tour?

They could be fitted out in colorful, two-piece suits, like the Redskinettes or Dallas Cowgirls, grab some pom-poms and lead cheers for their man at each hole, then lead boos to rattle their opponents. Why should golfers, who after all only have to knock a little ball a few yards into a hole, enjoy absolute silence, while pro quarterbacks, who have to throw a ball 50 yards accurately with 1,500 pounds of rushers trying to break their necks, must put up with a little crowd participation?

Add beer commercials and you would have the makings of a real sport.

dearieme said...

"This makes Woods himself one-quarter Chinese, one-quarter Thai, one-quarter African American, one-eighth Native American, and one-eighth Dutch." So now we see why his behaviour is boorish. Bloody Dutch.

Anonymous said...

Everyone seems to leave out the fact tiger wood is living in America and the West, where White women are the ideal form of beauty. According to the media, Everything and everyone white is desirable, and everything and everyone non white is undesirable. This is what most folks, of all races, believes in. Tiger, as a 100% non white person, has married to marry and is going to date white. That's his right, as an American citizen, but it's a necessary of action to join the mainstream culture and to be accepted by the mainstream. Obama is different, he married black. He's half white though. He doesn't have to be marry white because he's already half there. imo

ben tillman said...

That's because the assumption is that white people want their daughters to marry within their ethnicity because no other ethnicity is good enough.

No, it's because only other whites make it possible for their daughters to reproduce. Child from two whites (or blacks or Jews) = reproduction; child from white and non-white = mutation.

No one makes that assumption about minorities [sic] wanting their daughters to marry within ethnic lines because minorities [sic] have historically had lower social status as [sic] thus have less reason to think they are better than other ethnicities.

It's not true that non-whites (which you stupidly call "minorities") have "historically had lower social status", and it's not true that non-whites do not think they are better than other ethnicities. But even if we accept those premises, they still don't support your distinction between endogamy based on feelings of superiority and endogamy based on something else. How in the hell does one qualify as wrong, while the other is okay? You've relied on some really crazy implicit premises in reaching that conclusion.

ben tillman said...

That's because the assumption is that white people want their daughters to marry within their ethnicity because no other ethnicity is good enough.

Really? That's quite a passive construction. The assumption by whom? To the extent some people have made such an assumption, does it have any basis in fact?

Of course not.

When you refuse to give me the contents of your bank account, can we assume that you consider yourself superior to me? Or should we simply assume that you understand that you and I are different people and that you want your money (and other resources) to be devoted to the service of your own interests regardless of how you stack up against me qualitatively?

The same goes for reproduction.

Parents want their children to marry within the ethnic group not because outsiders are worse but because outsiders are diferent. Reproductive capacity of members of an ethnic group is a resource of the group, and the group quite rightly expects that resource to be devoted to continuing the life of the group by producing new members of the group.

Your double standard that would prohibit whites from reproducing while allowing others to do so is straightforwardly genocidal.

Dutch Boy said...

Sorta black men prefer white women! Who woulda thunk it?

Dutch Boy said...

What do Tiger and Elin have in common? She swings a mean golf club!

Ronduck said...

Simon said...

I for one am happy to accept Tiger as a proud member of the White race.

No. In fact, HELL NO.

Victoria said...

Racism is a form of elitism; thus it's oxymoronic to call members of less elite ethnicities racist.

What a simple-minded statement. This goes under the same heading that blacks can't be racist, right? As a black, I've known dozens of black mothers who did not want their sons intimate with white girls/women, because they did not want it to lead to marriage. One would say to me, "I don't want any little white brats sitting at my Thanksgiving table."

Of course, I agreed with them entirely, just as I agree with whites who feel the same way.

Victoria said...

As a white woman, I've had plenty of black men get pissy when I wouldn't go out with them and say "it's cause I'm black, right?"

Yes, I've been told about many encounters like this by white friends. These black guys have the nerve to play the race card in order to intimidate white women. Given the indoctrination that is so thorough in this country concerning race, I've often wondered how many reluctant women have relented, due only to the fear of appearing "racist."

Grumpy Old Man said...

Some groups marry out in considerable numbers, usually the more successful ones (Jews, East Asians). Groups whose members are less individually successful have to rely more on ethnic solidarity. Hence the pressure for endogamy.

Anonymous said...

Isn't this all game theory?
Black americans, or factions there of (such as black women), seem to be adopting stances towards Tiger Woods, interracial dating, etc. designed to maximize their social power, just like any other subpopulation.


Sort of a reverse of Barack Obama -weren't black americans fairly late in supporting him among democratic constituents?

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Svigor said...

Unintentional humor - the best kind there is.

A lot of the orthodox racists' contribution to the conversation with unorthodox racists is useful to the latter's purposes. I see it all the time. The classic example is when an article about a given black crime allows comments and comes to the attention of a lot of unorthodox (e.g., via Amren or Drudge). Their comments draw out what the orthodox are really thinking. Fighting fire with fire is an big-time loser for the orthodox, but they do it anyway. They don't seem to know open animus against whites is an accelerant.

Peter A said...

Tiger seems to have slept with so many women that a pigmy negrito is not out of the question. Maybe the sisters are just keeping silent out of solidarity.

Anonymous said...

I remember seeing Tiger on Oprah around 10 years or so when he was starting out. Oprah thought he should hook up with Tyra Banks, who was a Sports Illustrated swimsuite model at the time and not the TV buffoon she became.

That would have been interesting.

Oprah must love Tiger's dating preferences.

"sampled the greatness" - Is that what they're calling it these days? That's excellent. I'm going to get that tattooed.

Anonymous said...

If he really wants to get blacks back on board, he can always murder his wife, and maybe a white friend of hers. That usually works with The Community.

Liesel said...

white people want their daughters to marry within their ethnicity because no other ethnicity is good enough.
So?

in contrast to Obama whose non-black genes are white & thus genetically neutral.

So being white is ethnically "neutral", basically a non-ethnicity? Whitness is the absence of ethnicity. Yet white is the elite ethnicity. Got it?

saywhat said...

"I for one am happy to accept Tiger as a proud member of the White race."

From a genetic perspective he's every bit as white as his Nordic wife. As I tried to explain, his Black genes & his East Asian genes cancel each other ot, leaving him with caucasoid DNA, explaining his preference for white women & white sports. Whites are just the missing link as humans evolved from Blacks (the earliest & most warm climate adapted race) into mongoloids (the newest & most cold adapted race)(See Rushton). Whites will eventually go extinct like all evolutionary intermediates.

Anonymous said...

Tiger is 100% black. He was drafted by the black race in the annual racial draft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeBFV2hjF1c

Anonymous said...

"Black women have long felt slighted by the tendency of famous black men to pair with white women, and many have a list of current transgressors at the ready. "
"Hmmmm. So, the Chinese and the Thai ladies should be equally as p*ssed at Tiger as the African Americans sistahs!"
interesting... i don't know any black females who care who tiger cheated with, most,in my experience, don't really care about tiger at all. I don't understand where the hasty generalizations are coming from. maybe you should stop believing everything you read.

Marc B said...

"The color of one's companion has long been a major measure of "blackness" - which is a big reason why the biracial Barack Obama was able to fend off early questions about his black authenticity."

Hence the reason he married his Michelle. He was viewed with suspicion as a half-white Hawaiian outsider upon entry to the Chicago political landscape. Obama was chasing his elusive blackness the moment he left the islands. He needed a wife that would give him credibility with the working class and poor Chicago Southside constituency and affirm his racial identity as black despite being a mulatto.

He also needed a mate that was well-educated and ambitious, yet still more brash than bougie. He obviously didn't marry her for her beauty or because she was so demure.

albertosaurus said...

The reason black women are upset about rich black men consorting with white women, especially blondes is that white women are more desirable than black women. Facts hurt. Presumably a rich attractive young sports star like Woods can have any kind of woman he wants. No one should be surprised that he chooses blondes.

Rich men typically drive a Mercedes, Lexus or Rolls Royce. That's why Gordon Getty was considered a kook years ago when he chose to drive an AMC Pacer.
Michelle Obama is more like a Chysler Mini-Van - utilitarian. Tiger wanted a Porsche turbo kind of wife. Seems reasonable to me.

Mrs. Woods is a trophy wife. Woods' career is one in which he collects trophies. What could be more natural?

I must do some research. I'm going to go to the local sex shop and see if they have any blow up dolls that have been created to look like Michelle Obama.

Half Sigma said...

So if his "black" father is 25% Chinese and 25% American Indian, that makes him only 25% black, right?

a2 said...

"It's usually not a lack of physical attractiveness that stops sensible white & Asian women from dating black men."

Some white and Asian women might find them physically attractive, but black men still get the message that they aren't found attractive overall (which includes things besides physical appearance), and that makes them angry.

An Asian friend of mine briefly dated a black guy, and apparently all he did the whole time was complain about white guys. She took it as pure jealousy. I've never dated one, but I've gotten the same vibe in conversations or when they've hit on me.

Anonymous said...

"No one should be surprised that he chooses blondes."

Seems there are just as many brunettes in that list of his--caucasian brunettes.

Middletown Girl said...

I know Al Sharpton raised a big stink about this, but maybe someone should ask him why he straightened his hair like a white man's.

frost said...

"Black women have long felt slighted by the tendency of famous black men to pair with white women, and many have a list of current transgressors at the ready."

And the reason for this jealousy is that there is a shortage of marriageable black men since so many are incarcerated, or addicted or diseased or...this reminds me of a story from 3 jobs ago. I was eating lunch in the company cafeteria on a Monday when I overheard the 2 black women at the table behind me talking about their social life over the weekend.

Black Woman #1: So how was your date on Saturday?

BW2: Oh, ok, I guess. He was a nice guy but he was kind of, you know, ugly.

BW1: Looks don't really matter to me. What matters is what is inside. I'm looking for a man with that special something.

BW2: You mean, like a job?

stari_momak said...

That was a tour de force, saywhat!

stari_momak said...

This whole thread has me wondering whatever happened to Rae Dawn Chong.

Victoria said...

An Asian friend of mine briefly dated a black guy, and apparently all he did the whole time was complain about white guys. She took it as pure jealousy.

And she was right. Jealousy is at the heart of so much black male grievance disguised as anger towards "social injustice." And Whitey keeps falling for it. It's just men wanting power over other men.

Anonymous said...

Frost I don't buy it. BS. Find something else better to do than ruin the fairly high level average discussion on this blog.

josh said...

I wonder,financially speaking,how well "club managers" and "cocktail waitressess" and "reality show contestants" and "ex-porn stars" are doing these days? Tiger seems to me to be less of a poon hound and more of a little lord Fauntleroy,or the well-dressed wealthy mommas boy in the Dead End Kids movies that Slip Mahoney,Tommy and Satch beat the living hell out of. he is filthy rich and the best at what he does in the world,but he seems like a loser trying to find happines with these skeazy broads.And he is getting clobbered by the snickering media. No Mick Jagger or Tom Jones is he,no libertine having the time of his life. He looks mopey and miserable in the pre-SUV pics printed all over the place. And why does Elin have to wear sunglassess all the time? And misspell her own name? Like"Shirlee" and "Cindee" and what not.(yes I know she's from Sweden...or is it Switzerland?) Dont you hate that!? Anyway as sson as this started I said to m'self:Tiger will not have gone NEAR a Black woman!!I was right!

Anonymous said...

This blog post was depressing.

I just learned that my chances of ever getting with a white or asian chick are significantly lower than those of white and asian men :(

As a black man, this makes me sad. I can handle rejection based on physical appearance but I think it's unfair and a bit racist to reject someone on the basis that their genes are Alkaline. The former can be altered with bleaching cream and extensive plastic surgery, but the former? Beyond my control.

For that reason, I was deeply hurt by a2's comments. I'm not mad at it though. The girl Victoria (assuming she's really black, and I have my doubts)would be more than happy to date a guy like me.

Long as blacks don't "date out" y'all won't have to worry about the white race going extinct. Remember, Asians are considered white in a sense. In terms of genetics and appearance, they're more similar to whites than blacks, and so whites don't have as many hang ups over dating/marrying them.

Hispanics (whatever the hell that means)also make decent romantic partners, for similar reasons. Black genes are the only genes that completely cancel out white genes, thereafter reducing them to lowest terms.

So, what should whites do to avoid extinction? Open your hearts and minds (and your legs too, ladies)to Hispanics, Asians and all non-blacks in an effort to assimilate them into mainstream (white) society. Don't worry about blacks tainting your gene pool. The white race will not go extinct!

Anonymous said...

Gosh damnit I meant to say "the latter can be altered with plastic surgery"

Victoria said...

The girl Victoria (assuming she's really black, and I have my doubts) ...

You can doubt that I'm black all you wish. Like Harlem's Pastor Manning, I'm one of those blacks who wants to see the white race survive, strictly for selfish reasons -- because there are no coloreds on this earth who will ever present to the world all the benefits that I enjoy in life. Like the black journalist, Keith Richburg, I too am glad that those Africans were dragged kicking and screaming to these shores. From the little aspirin, to antibiotics, to chemotherapy, I count myself lucky to have been born here, and not over THERE!

stari_momak said...

And she was right. Jealousy is at the heart of so much black male grievance disguised as anger towards "social injustice."

Was that Shakespeare guy a genius or what?

Truth said...

"And she was right. Jealousy is at the heart of so much black male grievance disguised as anger towards "social injustice."

And vice-versa.

Truth said...

"I just learned that my chances of ever getting with a white or asian chick are significantly lower than those of white and asian men :(.."

Oooh, the psycology in that post was way to slick form me, bro. I would have never been able to figure out that you were really a geeky white guy from your post.

Never.

Anonymous said...

"You can doubt that I'm black all you wish."

I'm black and I enjoy all the benefits of living in America too. Nor am I upset that Africans were brought to America. I wouldn't even exist if it weren't for all of the events preceeding my birth.

However, I can't say that I really care if the white gene pool becomes "tainted". Technically, it's not even possible for a race to die out through miscegation. Keep in mind that 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation bi-racials will not necessarily inherit African and European genes from both of their parents. So even if everyone was mixed, there would still be a significant number of "white people". It's all a matter of probability.

If that doesn't ease your fears about losing asprin and chemotherapy, just remember that it's not like most people date or marry outside their ethnic group anyway.

I think you really fear the destruction of western culture, it's focus on science and technology, and the handfull of extremely bright scientists and inventors who produce all of those wonderful things you mentioned. The average white person can't be credited with American blacks having a greater standard of living and access to medical care.

I just hate the fact that racist whites are fixated on the small percentage of blacks who actually do procreate interacially; And yes, I think the reason they're indifferent towards Asian/white and "Hispanic"/white relationships is because they know that it's not really possible to remain "pure".

Since these races are more evolved than blacks in their eyes, they would rather assimilate them into the white gene pool. The sole purpose is to expand the definition of white, in the event of total genetic annihilation.

Anonymous said...

"Groups whose members are less individually successful have to rely more on ethnic solidarity. Hence the pressure for endogamy."

- Grumpy Old Man

Wow. It's as if Senile Old Man doesn't know a single thing about the world.

frost said...

An Anonymous said:
"Frost I don't buy it. BS."

True story.

Anonymous said...

How come my comment didn't get posted Steve?

You know that deep down, many white people feel this way. They only whine about black men dating and/or marrying white women because they're scared of going extinct and their lax attitude towards mestizo/white and asian/white pairings is based on the belief that these groups are genetically and physically on par with whites, or at least a ''notch'' above black people on the evolutionary scale.

That's why U.S. Government agencies classify virtually anyone of non-African descent as "white", whether they like it or not. Keeps the white race from going extinct.

I think that explains you and your readers' obsession with "blacks". By the way, the vast majority of black women are not upset over Tiger Woods and who he chooses to sleep with, or what he chooses to call himself, just as most white women aren't.

Tom V said...

Truth,
So because Anonymous sounds less than confident with women, he can't be black, right? Obviously, everybody knows that all black men are playas. There's a stereotype we like, especially if "we" are black males.

In fact, Anonymous sounds like the guy Truth once insulted as "Chocolate Testing." He was from Texas, and Anonymous does say "y'all" here.

Ironically, Anonymous himself also doubts that Victoria is black. I think he's wrong there as well.

Diversity really does lead to low trust, eh?

Full disclosure: I'm Asian.

Sam said...

Perhaps Tiger should not have married if he was a born Cheetah?

Observer said...

"So because Anonymous sounds less than confident with women, he can't be black, right? Obviously, everybody knows that all black men are playas. There's a stereotype we like, especially if "we" are black males."

Paradoxically, this is one of the PRINCIPLE REASONS for the decay and destruction of the Black racial community, both here in America and wherever there are appreciable numbers of Blacks abroad.

Sometimes our buddy Truth bombs at his attempts at sarcasm and snark.

Don't worry, we know your heart is in the right place, and still love ya anyway man.

ogunsiron said...

Though i don't necessarily agree with what Anonymous and Victoria have to say (my views are somewhat similar but not identical to Victoria's), it's funny that one has to come to Sailer's blog to meet fellow black people who can discuss racial matters with half a clue.

Victoria and Anonymous : Check out the "acting white" blog by James Collier. Might be interesting...

Observer said...

Though i don't necessarily agree with what Anonymous and Victoria have to say (my views are somewhat similar but not identical to Victoria's), it's funny that one has to come to Sailer's blog to meet fellow black people who can discuss racial matters with half a clue.

Victoria and Anonymous : Check out the "acting white" blog by James Collier. Might be interesting...
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You guys might also be interested in this marvelous site by the most eloquent lady in the Right blogosphere, Elizabeth Wright:

Issues & Views - The Blog - http://issuesviews.blogspot.com

Truth said...

"Don't worry, we know your heart is in the right place, and still love ya anyway man."

Well that's appreciated. Sorry by the way gents that I did not assign any homework this week. I had to suspend school as I was on a business trip and you were the last thing on my mind.

But now that I'm back, I expect some very good dissertations.

Truth said...

Point of reference:

I haven't taken an aspirin in 10 years, or used an anti-biotic since I was in grade school.

BTW, I did not assume that anonymous was black because of his lack of confidence with women. First of all, it's possible that EVERY poster is black here, just as it's possible that we are all white, that's the beauty of the internet. I would doubt that either of those is the case, but...

As for that particular blogger, I think the rather sniveling nature of his post on a forum such as this. It reeks of a white guy doing an improvised "stay with your own" psy-op. But hey, a few of you seem equally confused so I guess his being black is possible.

Anonymous said...

"Hence the reason he married his Michelle. He was viewed with suspicion as a half-white Hawaiian outsider upon entry to the Chicago political landscape. Obama was chasing his elusive blackness the moment he left the islands. He needed a wife that would give him credibility with the working class and poor Chicago Southside constituency and affirm his racial identity as black despite being a mulatto.

He also needed a mate that was well-educated and ambitious, yet still more brash than bougie. He obviously didn't marry her for her beauty or because she was so demure."
...wow...i guess marrying because you love someone must have gone out of style.in terms of michelle's beauty, she may not be beautiful to you, but she obviously was attractive enough for Obama to marry and to make two kids with. how many of these know-it-alls are even around black people? Are any of you actually black? I just find it odd the assumptions that are made on this blog, as if you know everything there is to know about african-americans.

ogunsiron said...

He also needed a mate that was well-educated and ambitious, yet still more brash than bougie. He obviously didn't marry her for her beauty or because she was so demure."
...wow...i guess marrying because you love someone must have gone out of style.in terms of michelle's beauty, she may not be beautiful to you, but she obviously was attractive enough for Obama to marry and to make two kids with. how many of these know-it-alls are even around black people?
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One thing that HBD people always forget about is that there must also be human variation in the way we relate to the other sex. HDBers and the roissy fans particularly just can't seem to wrap their head around the possibility of some men having non stereotypical taste when it comes to women. Some idiot on another thread says that Clinton "wasted" his alphaness on monica Lewinski. So Clinton just can't possibily have been attracted to her ? Michelle Obama isn't hot to me but she isn't ugly either. About monogamy :
It's true that it's difficult for a lot of men but are to believe that 1000s of years of living in settled agricultural societies where marriage is sacred hasn't produced men who are born faithful or monogamous ? Are we to think that the majority of, say, amish men would like nothing more than to screw hot blonde 20yo chicks if they could get away with it ? Some would like that but would most go for it ?

Anonymous said...

"If he really wants to get blacks back on board, he can always murder his wife, and maybe a white friend of hers. That usually works with The Community.

12/07/2009"
I'll drink to this option. ;-)