July 19, 2010

Burlington, VT?

In the New York Times:

Burlington, VT -- It’s hard to find anyone here who believes that Joyce Irvine should have been removed as principal of Wheeler Elementary School.

John Mudasigana, one of many recent African refugees whose children attend the high-poverty school, says he is grateful for how Ms. Irvine and her teachers have helped his five children. “Everything is so good about the school,” he said, before taking his daughter Evangeline, 11, into the school’s dental clinic.  ...

Ms. Irvine wasn’t removed by anyone who had seen her work (often 80-hour weeks) at a school where 37 of 39 fifth graders were either refugees or special-ed children and where, much to Mr. Mudasigana’s delight, his daughter Evangeline learned to play the violin.

Ms. Irvine was removed because the Burlington School District wanted to qualify for up to $3 million in federal stimulus money for its dozen schools.

And under the Obama administration rules, for a district to qualify, schools with very low test scores, like Wheeler, must do one of the following: close down; be replaced by a charter (Vermont does not have charters); remove the principal and half the staff; or remove the principal and transform the school.

... Burlington faced the difficult choice because performance evaluations for teachers and principals based on test results, as much as on local officials’ judgment, are a hallmark of the two main competitive grant programs the Obama administration developed to spur its initiatives: the stimulus and Race to the Top....

Justin Hamilton, a spokesman for the United States Department of Education, noted that districts don’t have to apply for the grants, that the rules are clear and that federal officials do not remove principals. But Burlington officials say that not applying in such hard times would have shortchanged students.
At the heart of things is whether the testing system under the federal No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 can fairly assess schools full of middle-class children, as well as a school like Wheeler, with a 97 percent poverty rate and large numbers of refugees, many with little previous education.

... Under No Child rules, a student arriving one day before the state math test must take it. Burlington is a major resettlement area, and one recent September, 28 new students — from Somalia, Ethiopia, Kenya, Sudan — arrived at Wheeler and took the math test in October.
Ms. Irvine said that in a room she monitored, 15 of 18 randomly filled in test bubbles. The math tests are word problems. A sample fourth-grade question: “Use Xs to draw an array for the sum of 4+4+4.” Five percent of Wheeler’s refugee students scored proficient in math.

About half the 230 students are foreign-born, collectively speaking 30 languages. Many have been traumatized; a third see one of the school’s three caseworkers. During Ms. Irvine’s tenure, suspensions were reduced to 7 last year, from 100.

Students take the reading test after one year in the country. Ms. Irvine tells a story about Mr. Mudasigana’s son Oscar and the fifth-grade test.

Oscar needed 20 minutes to read a passage on Neil Armstrong landing his Eagle spacecraft on the moon; it should have taken 5 minutes, she said, but Oscar was determined, reading out loud to himself.

The first question asked whether the passage was fact or fiction. “He said, ‘Oh, Mrs. Irvine, man don’t go on the moon, man don’t go on the back of eagles, this is not true,’ ” she recalled. “So he got the five follow-up questions wrong — penalized for a lack of experience.” Thirteen percent of foreign-born students, 4 percent of special-ed students and 23 percent of the entire school scored proficient in reading.

Before Mr. Obama became president, Burlington officials began working to transform Wheeler to an arts magnet, in hopes of improving socioeconomic integration. [I.e., getting more people from Vermont to go this school in Vermont.]......

A sign of her effectiveness: an influx of new students, so that half the early grades will consist of middle-class pupils this fall.
Ms. Irvine predicts that in two years, when these new “magnet” students are old enough to take the state tests, scores will jump, not because the school is necessarily better, but because the tests are geared to the middle class.

We've discussed the complexity and disillusionment that comes with trying to measure educational accurately, so what I'm struck by is ... Burlington is in the northern part of Vermont, on Lake Champlain. One snowstorm last January dumped 33 inches of snow.

I read through the comments looking for a single reader who was wondering why so many African refugees are being sent to Burlington, perhaps the whitest, coldest, most SWPL place in the whole country, rather than to, say, Houston, or, much more economically, to another African country. African countries have often taken in hundreds of thousands or even millions of refugees from civil wars and famines in other countries. There is a lot of room in Africa. (As the population grows, however, Africans have been turning against immigration: black South Africans' anger at black Zimbawe illegal immigrants was a major inspiration for last year's Best Picture nominee District 9, as writer director Neill Blomkamp patiently explained over and over to American interviewers who kept insisting to him that his movie was all about apartheid.)

It took until the 65th comment until somebody questioned sending so many refugees to Vermont:
Why are African refugees being directed to Burlington Vt? No industry for low-skilled workers--so why there?

Indeed. So, why are African refugees so often sent to the coldest places in the country, such as Minneapolis, Lewiston, Maine, and Burlington? How come they aren't sent to, say, Washington D.C. How about Staten Island? How would that work out?

106 comments:

Sourmash said...


So, why are African refugees so often sent to the coldest places in the country, such as Minneapolis, Lewiston, Maine, and Burlington?


Cold climate are inimical to African refugees. Death rates for African refugees are high high in such places, but before they die that can also wreak havoc on the education systems in such places as well, destroying the chances of many middle class whites.

Bill said...


Indeed. So, why are African refugees so often sent to the coldest places in the country, such as Minneapolis, Lewiston, Maine, and Burlington?


Actually, the local "progressive" churches, which are most common in cold places, are in on it. They get federal money for resettlement programs.

For some reason (money), a lot of Christian churches support resettling Muslims in their vicinity.

check it out

Also, get a load of the well-fed "reverend."

Here's where they get their money.

I just love the ACF. Wonderful people over there double-taxing divorced fathers and giving our money to foreign, radical Muslim polygamists.

Anonymous said...

So, why are African refugees so often sent to the coldest places in the country, such as Minneapolis, Lewiston, Maine, and Burlington?

I guess there goes 'whitopia'.

Anonymous said...

Here is an interesting website, Vermont Refugee Resettlement Program .

Maybe these guys are responsible for bringing the Africans to Burlington.

eh said...

I know the last time I visited Vermont my first thought was: What this place really needs is some African refugees.

Anonymous said...

The refs go to the snowy wastes because (wait for it) that is where the settlement agencies line up both "community sponsors" and low rents for the refugees. All those nice rural white people with their big churches and the pastor who "calls" them to welcome refugees and bring them to Christ plus the empty rooms left behind by the more ambitious people leaving for bright-lights-big-city.

Anyway, the settlement people don't give a rat's patootie about jobs for the refugees... the settlement people can't fill their "helping people apply for food stamps and SSI" quotas unless the refugess remain unemployed.

Anonymous said...

They are ending up in Vermont because that's where a bunch of immigration liberals live who are willing to "sponsor" refugees.

I live in a fairly conservative part of the Midwest, with loads of evangelicals. A pretty darned white community. But a couple of years back I heard the superintendent of the local school district explain that they had over 90 different languages to deal with among the student body and couldn't believe it. That's when I realized that all these otherwise fairly conservative evangelicals were sponsoring refugees from all over the world and then dumping the cost onto the local taxpayer who had no say in the matter. Nothing like passing on the cost of your good deeds onto others. But I should be used to that by now.

Anonymous said...

Oh, frabjous day!

I'm sorry if some saintly school principal had to go, baby with the bath-water and all that, but I swell with joy as I contemplate the subversive effect of the new program.

Public school principals and teachers whose employers take Federal funds are to be fired!

Wheeee! Let's expand that program like microwave popcorn!

Think! We could offer scads of Federal funds on the condition that all the teachers be fired! And all the teaching-credentialed administrators too! And they could be disbarred from future employment funded by the Feds!

Of course, soon the teachers' unions would make sure no school boards accepted Federal funding... which is exactly what we want!

Hooray!

Anonymous said...

"How come they aren't sent to, say, Staten Island?"

Don't be so sure.

(I like the headline of one of the articles linked to that page. The Child Soldiers of Staten Island (from Mother Jones.) Yes, this is exactly whom we need to import. Apparently, yet another job American won't do.)

Fred said...

Good question about another African country. The obvious answer is that the other African countries don't want the refugees, but I would think they could be bribed into taking them for considerably less than whatever it is costing to educate their kids in VT. It might not even take a direct bribe to get one of the better-off sub-Saharan countries (e.g., Gabon or Botswana) to take in a few refugees. Maybe a trade deal plus some diplomatic ego stroking about how being a destination for refugees (rather than a source of them) will elevate their international status.

Anonymous said...

"So, why are African refugees so often sent to the coldest places in the country, such as Minneapolis, Lewiston, Maine, and Burlington?"

To plant them where whites will likely be fleeing to over the next century. There will be no escaping "diversity" for whites.

agnostic said...

This just shows how verboten all talk of the genetic basis of race differences is. Everyone should be saying, "Wait, won't black people suffer vitamin D deficiency in Burlington and other cold northern places, with all that entails?"

But no, we can't say that because it would emphasize that there's a race difference that has a genetic basis and that we'll have to work around if we want to reduce inequality.

Do American blacks want nothing to do with African immigrants? Why isn't Atlanta and other places in the South taking them in instead of Vermont?

Tanstaafl said...

So, why are African refugees so often sent to the coldest places in the country, such as Minneapolis, Lewiston, Maine, and Burlington?

They're not. They're sent to the Whitest places. And it's more to destroy those places, and displace the people in them, than it is to help the "refugees". They will recreate the troubles they have been "saved" from.

agnostic said...

Also, all those countries named are mostly highland areas of eastern Africa, with a decent chunk of the people probably having been pastoralists.

So why not send them to West Virginia or somewhere in the Rockies where they can live in a more highland environment, have hillbilly neighbors who'll understand their culture of honor, and behold the sight of livestock grazing on verdant hillsides?

Sounds like more fun for them than freezing their fat-free asses off and being bored in Vermont.

Anonymous said...

They're breeding cold weather adapted Congoids for the coming New Ice Age.

Anonymous said...

PrincipAl, not principle.

James said...

A sample fourth-grade question: “Use Xs to draw an array for the sum of 4+4+4.”

Argh! New Math! I thought that abomination went away in the seventies. We wouldn't want to ask something relevant like "How much is 3 times 4?"

Anonymous said...

Staten Island has a lot of Liberian refugees. From time to time they fight with local blacks in the schools (especially Curtis High School).

http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2007/09/st_george_violence_linked_to_c.html

Anonymous said...

I've often noticed how women are at the forefront of the SWPL and PC movements. Maybe those 'real' Africans are deemed a better cure for their jungle fever than American-born blacks from the 'hood.

l said...

"And under the Obama administration rules, for a district to qualify, schools with very low test scores, like Wheeler, must do one of the following: close down; be replaced by a charter (Vermont does not have charters); remove the principal and half the staff; or remove the principal and transform the school."

Are exemptions given to inner city and reservation schools? Serious question.

l said...

"So, why are African refugees so often sent to the coldest places in the country, such as Minneapolis, Lewiston, Maine, and Burlington?"

Because the whiter the local population, the less likely it is to oppose an influx. And, maybe, because the gov't wants the new refugees to be surrounded by better examples.

Anonymous said...

Reading through the first 16 comments, the poster who said that these cold areas are the cheapest places to resettle refugees sounded the most sensible. But the posters who argue that there is some unspoken government policy to deliberately diversify every corner of the country could be correct, given that this could eventually help win votes for democratic congressmen. Are any of these places where the refugees are being resettled "swing districts"? Has the resettlement pattern changed since Bush?

Chicago resident said...

Some agency unit in Washington probably has a map of the whitest places in the USA for the purpose of targeting them with such actions. Undermining whites in all areas so they don't develop any racial conciousness, or act on it, seems to be a large part of this agenda. Of course, local helpers can be found, such as these churches, with the proper financial inducements. Of all the things that the USA could use the importation of African is at the bottom, but that's what they give us.

Anonymous said...

The readers of this blog should be cheering this sort of behavior.

Minorities are what make southern whites and urban ethnic whites so reactionary.

KingM said...

Bernie Sanders.

Rohan Swee said...

agnostic: Do American blacks want nothing to do with African immigrants? Why isn't Atlanta and other places in the South taking them in instead of Vermont?

I believe the first Somali refugees were settled in Atlanta. But a)the local blacks were disinclined to put up with their crap, and b)they scouted around and discovered that the welfare pickings were much better up north, and, no doubt, the local whites more easily cowed. (See, Lewiston, Maine.)

Bill: Actually, the local "progressive" churches, which are most common in cold places, are in on it. They get federal money for resettlement programs.

Yeah, Catholic Charities and Lutheran Services are (were?) the biggest colluders, er, participants with the State Department (and, often, e.g., meatpackers) in these "dump and run" refugee programs. The Refugee Resettlement blog covers this extensively.

Chief Seattle said...

30 below in the winter, so cold your eyelids freeze.

It's a really good question, Steve. Seattle gets a lot of Somalis. Not completely sure why either. They seem to mostly work as cab drivers or parking lot attendants, although there's a fair number that just welfare farm with 9-10 kids each. Still, they're a lot friendlier than native blacks. And the women are usually thin and well groomed. It would be a shame if their kids went ghetto.

Anonymous said...

This seems cruel. Are we conducting some experiment of the effect of vitamin D deficiency on African immigrants.

Seriously, even if we are determined to help Africans at the tax-payer's expense ... have some decency and send them where there's some sunshine.

Anonymous said...

Steve,

Looks like Ross Douthat still reads your blog, if his editorial in the NYT is any indication.

coldequation said...

I'm not going to gloat over the inevitable beatings/rapes that the refugees will commit, but somebody has to be the victim, and it might as well be Vermont SWPLs, who have been known to send the kind of Congressmen to Washington that create this sort of problem in the first place.

I knew a black woman from Vermont - she was the most resentful, anti-white black I've ever met. I guess blacks don't like SWPLs either.

Le Mur said...

IIRC, many 'refugees' were sent to Lewiston from New Orleans because they were being victimized by N.O. locals.

Kylie said...

agnostic said..."Do American blacks want nothing to do with African immigrants?"

In the college town where I lived, with both black Americans and black African students, it was the other way round. The African students were very open to socializing with white Americans (and not just the white females they wanted to have sex with) but they shunned black Americans as being too noisy, rude and violent.

This is not to say that they themselves were not noisy and violent (nearly every party they threw ended in a fight) but they were for the most part well-mannered and spoke good English.

Steve Sailer said..."So, why are African refugees so often sent to the coldest places in the country, such as Minneapolis, Lewiston, Maine, and Burlington?"

You are such a wag. You know as well as we do that coldest=whitest.

SGOTI said...

Enjoy your diversity, good and hard.

stari_momak said...

Here is a testimonial from the Vermont Refugee Resettlement Webpage, about the joy that middle class liberals get from making over their communities' demography. Its all about 'feeling their pain'
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Many issues that seemed black and white to me before volunteering seem complex and multi-layered to me now, and it is easier for me to recognize how imbedded I am in my own culture and to remember to try to see things from another perspective. As a white, middle-class liberal I always knew intellectually that racism in Vermont existed, but I didn’t see it myself in my daily life. How would I, as a white woman with almost no black friends? But now, as a friend to black African people and an honorary grandmother to 10 Somali Bantu kids (with one more on the way soon), I am exposed to it regularly (though thankfully not frequently) and my understanding has become personal and visceral. This, while painful, is something I needed.

bleach said...

Vermont wants to be the Scandinavia of the U.S. in more ways than one.

Tanstaafl said...

Agnostic writes:

So why not send them to West Virginia or somewhere in the Rockies where they can live in a more highland environment, have hillbilly neighbors who'll understand their culture of honor, and behold the sight of livestock grazing on verdant hillsides?

Where are you and your family from? Why not send them there?

Sailer writes:

I read through the comments looking for a single reader who was wondering why so many African refugees are being sent to Burlington, perhaps the whitest, coldest, most SWPL place in the whole country

The people targeting Vermont don't like "SWPL" people. Agnostic doesn't like "hillbillies". But there are "SWPLs" in West Virginia and "hillbillies" in Vermont. Derogatory, class-distinctive slurs aside, the common thread is a dislike of White people.

Anonymous said...

Every day and in every way, more and more evidence accrues that perhaps we are too stupid to survive. As I look at my fellow whites, with their overfed and undisciplined bodies, and their dull placid faces I shake my head in sadness and disgust.

Tanstaafl said...

Here's how an Israeli government official proposes to deal with refugees/infiltrators. African ‘infiltrators’ should live in camp, MK says:

The problem of African migrants in Israel is so dire that it requires the immediate building of a labor camp for asylum-seekers in the South, MK Ya’acov Katz (National Union) said on Tuesday.

Katz, chairman of the Knesset’s Committee on Foreign Workers, presented his panel with a proposal on Tuesday to build a city for migrants a “reasonable distance” from the border with Egypt, which will be the only place in Israel that infiltrators are legally allowed to live in Israel. Katz said the refugees will be employed in the construction of the city and the recently approved border fence with Egypt, as well as road construction projects in Israel’s south.

Such labor will be a burden on the infiltrators and will “encourage them not to recommend to their relatives to follow them to Israel,” he said.


Katz not only recognizes the existential threat, he recognizes that anyone who sides with the refugees doesn't like Israelis.

Katz said he recently visited Arad with his committee and “we couldn’t believe our eyes. The entire city has been conquered. The schools in Arad and Eilat are filling with Eritrean and Sudanese children. As of today, some 10 percent of the residents of Arad are Sudanese or Eritrean, Muslims and Christians.”

The “infiltrators” constitute an enemy “surprising us from the rear” and are part of a plot by “the leaders of Sudan and Eritrea, in cooperation with Egypt, to take over the State of Israel,” he said.

Tanstaafl said...

Every day and in every way, more and more evidence accrues that perhaps we are too stupid to survive. As I look at my fellow whites, with their overfed and undisciplined bodies, and their dull placid faces I shake my head in sadness and disgust.

Who is "we"? Are you so sad and disgusted with "we" to notice the overfed and undisciplined bodies and dull placid faces replacing "we"? Or is it stupidity?

art.the.nerd said...

> Ms. Irvine wasn’t removed by anyone who had seen her work (often 80-hour weeks)

Anyone else's BS meter go off at the thought that she works 80 hour weeks?

Anonymous said...

Oscar Mudasigana seems to be beyond dumb: it is appropriate to classify him and his siblings as retarded. He will be a ward of the United States for the rest of his life, as will be his 5 children and 20 nieces and nephews, after they are inevitably born. In 20 years, that generation will spawn 125 imbeciles receiving food, shelter, clothing, and medical care from from our Federal Government. How nice for them. Think of all those big family barbecues paid for with food stamps. Doesn't it warm your heart?

For them, I'm sure it beats living in the malarial swamps of Africa which would have limited their number of increase to perhaps 50 after three generations.

God help our nation.

Anonymous said...

lol, tanstaafl, don't stand up for swpls, these people are your enemies. they want to destroy you

i've heard of "no enemies to the right", but for wns, it's more like "no enemies to the white"

DYork said...

So, why are African refugees so often sent to the coldest places in the country, such as Minneapolis, Lewiston, Maine, and Burlington?

Is it "coldest" or Whitest?

"So, why are African refugees so often sent to the places in the country with the highest percentage of relatively naive White women and girls, such as Minneapolis, Lewiston, Maine, and Burlington?"

Any theories?

Anonymous said...

Has Martha's Vineyard been targeted for this kind of improvement?

Curvaceous Carbon-based Life Form said...

"West Virginia or somewhere in the Rockies where they can live in a more highland environment, have hillbilly neighbors who'll understand their culture of honor, and behold the sight of livestock grazing on verdant hillsides?

Sounds like more fun for them than freezing their fat-free asses off"

As a repatriated Rockies' hillbilly, let me respond to your with a hearty, heartfelt, screw you.

David said...

White goyim enclaves must be disintegrated (aka "integrated") so that no Nazi Party can arise again.

What turns the trick is appeals to Jebus. And some trim to whoremongering fat Christian preachers.

Jebus loves everybody.

Here is someone trying to explain some realities to the followers of J.: IMMIGRATION GUMBALLS. Probably flew in one ear and out the other. After all, he's talking about THIS world, which holds no real interest for the sincere followers of J.

SausageKing said...

The thing is, I predict that this is going to go on for a long time, until a majority is touched by it, and exhausted - that's what it will take to wear the do-gooderness out of us, enough to make the kind of decisions that would change things. And after that much penetration, it'd probably be well too late to make any difference. Which is a shame. Jews' religion is balanced, they don't turn the other cheek. Nice as Christianity has been, this pure version has a failure mode. Of course you could say it's arrogance as well, the idea that all you have to do is mingle them with us and they'll improve to our level.

Whiskey said...

"Many issues that seemed black and white to me before volunteering seem complex and multi-layered to me now, and it is easier for me to recognize how imbedded I am in my own culture and to remember to try to see things from another perspective. As a white, middle-class liberal I always knew intellectually that racism in Vermont existed, but I didn’t see it myself in my daily life. How would I, as a white woman with almost no black friends? But now, as a friend to black African people and an honorary grandmother to 10 Somali Bantu kids (with one more on the way soon), I am exposed to it regularly (though thankfully not frequently) and my understanding has become personal and visceral. This, while painful, is something I needed."
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As if more proof were needed about WHO supports mass immigration?

Let us be honest. Most White Middle Class women find the men around them lacking in masculine behavior and dominance. Thus the need to import dominant/manly Africans and such.

Really, what does the White woman express? Revulsion at her own culture (lack of manly dominance) and admiration of another (a failed one filled with manly dominance so that is is a poverty factory of gigantic proportions).

If the idea is to kill Whitopia, there are willing collaborators among the majority (vast majority) of White women. Who let it be remembered, voted for Obama in large numbers (single women voted 70-29 Obama) and according the latest Gallup poll, favor Obama over men by 6 points.

Evangelicals and Lutherans are among the most feminized (and gay, same thing) Christians around, perhaps only followed by Catholics. It is inevitable. Pedestalization, and sheer gratefulness by the part of the average guy, for a girlfriend or wife leads to vastly enhanced feminine social power, and frankly disgust at the men around them: their boyfriends and husbands, sons, brothers, fathers, uncles, and nebbishy co-workers.

The White woman quoted above revels in her honorary Blackness and faux-relationship to more manly/dominant/masculine folks.

Why wouldn't she? All women care about is strength, really.*

*Yes, "not all women are like that." And it applies to averages not individuals. Who cares? Policy is made by the averages.

Whiskey said...

Apparently Blogger ate my comment.

The post with the White woman reveling in her honorary Blackness, disparaging her own culture/race is telling.

The chief enabler of destruction of Whitopia and untrammeled mass immigration from Africa and other places are White women who loathe the White men around them: their sons, husbands, boyfriends, brothers, fathers, uncles. Who lack dominance, strength, and intimidation.

For women, in aggregate, that is all that matters. Black folks to them are more dominant and authentic, thus superior. Evangelical and Catholic churches are among the most feminized/gay of all the denominations. No surprise they act in this way.

If Democrats seeking votes and wealthy elites seek to destroy competitive threats, they find willing allies in White Women. Who favor Obama by six points over White men in the latest Gallup poll.

Tanstaafl said...

lol, tanstaafl, don't stand up for swpls, these people are your enemies. they want to destroy you

No, most of them don't. Most of them are misguided. Many are crypto-White supremacists who implicitly believe Whites have a unique, superhuman capacity (and duty) to sacrifice for others. This naivete is deliberately nurtured by others who have a true racial animus toward us. Those are our enemies.

dr kill said...

You people are as realistic and pessimistic as me. I wish we were wrong. The train wreck is coming, we can do nothing to stop it. All we can do is get out of the way.
While we are still free to do so, that is.

BamaGirl said...

I could care less what happens to the "colder" parts of the country. Maybe they will stop making fun of southerners now and lose the attitude.

wild chicken said...

If any of my local Catholic parishes start this kind of shit I am done with the Church, and I do not say that lightly. There is a Jesuit liberal-weenie tendency that lately expresses itself in a campaign for 3rd world debt forgiveness. But it could easily go in this other direction, too, and my liberal college town and local govt would be down with it.

Melykin said...

There are a LOT of Somali refugees in Canada. They are heavily involved in crime and gangs, especially in Toronto. But we just keep bring in more.

We seem to be incapable of deporting them, no matter how badly they behave. For example...

Maybe we really are too stupid to survive. I still belong to a progressive SWPL church that sponsors a refugee family every year. Sometimes I feel that since I've started reading this blog that I am not a nice person any more. But I can't go back to thinking the way I used to. Regarding the Somali in the article, who Canada can't seem to deport, as far as I'm concerned if it is too dangerous for the plane to land in Somalia then they can give the guy a parachute. But I am a bit ashamed of feeling this way...I would never tell anyone in the face to face world (accept my husband, who feels the same) that I have gone over to the dark side and am no longer a liberal in my heart.

David said...

>I am a bit ashamed of feeling this way...I would never tell anyone in the face to face world (accept my husband, who feels the same) that I have gone over to the dark side<

Dammit, it IS NOT the dark side. You have gone over to the GOOD side. De-program yourself. What preachers and TV and pc schools have fed your head is totally wrong.

Don't feel bad saying 2 + 2 = 4. It IS. Just feel awesome fright that everyone for decades was saying 2 + 2 = 5, and morally judging you on whether you obeyed them. To heck with them. They need to be driven out with pitchforks, for real.

Anonymous said...

As more and more Americans lose their jobs and are unable to find a new one, I expect enthusiasm for bringing in refugees to sharply diminish.

It's one thing to support refugee resettlement when you know that they are going to the other side of the tracks, and you can go over there on Saturdays to do church work with them. It's something else when you start to fear that YOUR FAMILY may end up living on the wrong side of the tracks. Living in an unfashionable district that is nearly all white is very different from living in the same neighborhood as the NAM population is rising exponentially.

l said...

Whiskey-

There's one problem with your idea that white women despise white men and have Mandingo fantasies:

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-race-affects-whether-people-write-you-back/

They don't. White women are more race conscious than are white men (or anybody else, for that matter). Women lie. Even the 'honorary grandmother' of the bantu Somalis -- if she were honest -- would not want one of her real grandkids to marry one.

Melykin said...

An article describing the problems of Somalis in Toronto. Written by a Somali.

70% of them are on welfare and living in social housing. The guy who wrote the article claims it is all because of racism against them.

Toronto's Most wanted Hardly a white fact in the bunch.


We must all be crazy to keep letting these people in. Maybe it is an Islamic plot to destabilize the West.

Melykin said...

David wrote:
"Dammit, it IS NOT the dark side. You have gone over to the GOOD side. De-program yourself. What preachers and TV and pc schools have fed your head is totally wrong."
=====================

I believe you are correct. But if I spoke out to acquaintances about this I would be shunned as a Nazi racist.

All my life I have voted for the most left wing political candidates, but no more. I'm either not going to vote at all, or I'm going to vote for the Conservatives. They aren't much good, but they are the best of a bad lot. Wow. I never thought I would vote Conservative. But the party I used to vote for, the NDP, is the party that is most in favour of immigration. They used to be the working man's party and were supported by labour unions.
I will never vote for them again.

Tony T. said...

Staten Island? Fuggetaboutit. In the old days Italians wouldnt stand for that. Now there's not much they can do about it any more.

Anonymous said...

The bottom of the following page has an overview of how the sponsorship process works. It's pretty vague about why some areas get more refugees than others.

Risto

Anonymous said...

There was a show on ESPN about corrective rape which occurs in South Africa when the men rape lesbians to turn them straight or so they think. Let's bring some more of these 85 IQ types into America and let them roam the streets of New Canaan, CT.

Anonymous said...

"The chief enabler of destruction of Whitopia "

I didn't know it at the time, but I grew up in a whitopia suburb that is changing some now. It's not as bad as some areas,but I can't afford a house in the neighborhood I grew up in.
The area I live now I feel like a foreigner.

Black people were about as rare as a polar bear in Kenya where I grew up. Now,it's more and more diverse,although, as I said,not as bad as some areas.

Anonymous said...

Melykin is right. HBD would be radioactive in the general population of Nice White People on left, middle and right.

I tend to shun the far right, because they seem so paranoid. But I wonder if these feelings are part of what drives them to take extreme positions on other issues, namely fear that they can't be more upfront.

Anonymous said...

Actually, the local "progressive" churches, which are most common in cold places, are in on it. They get federal money for resettlement programs.

and

That's when I realized that all these otherwise fairly conservative evangelicals were sponsoring refugees from all over the world and then dumping the cost onto the local taxpayer who had no say in the matter.

After reading this, I only wish that Satanists took over America like was feared in the 80s and 90s.

Glaivester said...

They're breeding cold weather adapted Congoids for the coming New Ice Age.

Carelton Coon racial classification term alert!

Woohoo! This is the first time I have heard the term "Congoid" without specifically looking for either it or for the term "Capoid."

Anonymous said...

As a Toronto resident myself, I notice that the last two individuals (including the only woman) are indeed White. Another thing I noticed: no East Asians on the list (a couple of South Asians, though).

Kylie said...

Whiskey said..."The chief enabler of destruction of Whitopia and untrammeled mass immigration from Africa and other places are White women who loathe the White men around them: their sons, husbands, boyfriends, brothers, fathers, uncles. Who lack dominance, strength, and intimidation."

I agree with most of what you say. Certainly the chief enablers of the destruction of Whitopia are white women, both the cohort committed to a progressive agenda and the useful idiots.

But I don't think they loathe white men, I think they disdain them. Disdain is something much harder to combat than loathing, as it's so dismissive. When you loathe someone, you're usually willing to engage with him, albeit in a negative way. When you disdain someone, you can't even be bothered acknowledging him.

Straight white men who try to curry favor with white women are off on a fool's errand.

Rohan Swee said...

As if more proof were needed about WHO supports mass immigration?

Let us be honest. Most White Middle Class women find the men around them lacking in masculine behavior and dominance. Thus the need to import dominant/manly Africans and such.


Oh ffs, Whiskey. Grandma Dingbat doesn't support mass immigration because the men around her aren't masculine enough, any more than the neighborhood Cat Lady supports cats because the men around her aren't masculine enough. Cats, Somali Bantus, it's what dingbat ladies of a certain age do.

Grandma Dingbat is just better-heeled and more narcissistic than Cat Lady. She probably dumps refugees on Cat Lady's neighborhood.

Kylie said...

Melykin said..."Sometimes I feel that since I've started reading this blog that I am not a nice person any more. But I can't go back to thinking the way I used to. Regarding the Somali in the article, who Canada can't seem to deport, as far as I'm concerned if it is too dangerous for the plane to land in Somalia then they can give the guy a parachute. But I am a bit ashamed of feeling this way...I would never tell anyone in the face to face world (accept my husband, who feels the same) that I have gone over to the dark side and am no longer a liberal in my heart."

I understand how you feel. The first time I allowed myself to think "Maybe black people, on average, aren't as smart as whites, maybe there are differences between the races", I felt terrible.

But acknowledging that there are differences between races and that a multi-racial society is not in the best interests of most white people is not a bad thing. You can still believe that we are all equal in the eyes of God. You can still pray for your black brethren.

Further, white liberals aren't pushing a multi-racial, pro-black agenda solely out of the goodness of their hearts. There is a lot of spitefulness and bad faith on their part. Not wanting any part of their agenda is not wrong or sinful. Just because you aren't pro-black at the expense of whites doesn't mean you are anti-black.

Anonymous said...

"Somali Bantus, it's what dingbat ladies of a certain age do."

It's a universal trend in western society. Here in NZ it is the church-going women with too much time on their hands, Anglicans, Quakers etc, often childless.

Well meaning but infused with the usual toxic altruism and keen to take the easy moral high ground on any subject. They go to lectures about 'social justice and peace'. It is because of their own sheltered upbringings that they are so naive.

Fred said...

"This naivete is deliberately nurtured by others who have a true racial animus toward us. Those are our enemies."

Lemme guess: "non-gentiles"?

Starker said...

"Cats, Somali Bantus, it's what dingbat ladies of a certain age do."

You got it, Rohan. Whiskey correctly IDs females and feminized males as complicit in these harebrained refugee schemes, but then bizarrely attributes it to a desire to roll with a "Mandingo" type as "I said" put it.

Whiskey, this is the worst possible example you could use for your obsession that white women are all lusting after black men because of a lack of masculinity in white culture. These refugees are not the local kingpins of the Rolling 60s crips, they are helpless, pathetic creatures.

The nice ladies probably help teach them how to eat from a plate and what toilet paper is for and then feel all warm inside. No double entendre intended. It is the twisted unfulfilled maternal instinct that is precisely what leads other sad females to fanatical devotion to dogs and cats.

As for your advice, delivered at a different site, that white men should "thug it up" to gain the respect of our women, you need to think through the consequences. Talk to a white man who has been in prison, then get back to me. Thuggery has consequences.

P Holtz said...

***NDP, is the party that is most in favour of immigration. They used to be the working man's party and were supported by labour unions.

I will never vote for them again.***

Melykin,

I'd send them an email outlining your concerns (even with a bogus name if you're concerned its too un-pc). Say that you know others who feel the same way. Finally, send a copy to some newspapers for the letters page.

Kiwiguy said...

***Well meaning but infused with the usual toxic altruism and keen to take the easy moral high ground on any subject. ***

This misplaced altruism seems a particularly western characteristic, wealthy Asian or Middle Eastern countries accept far fewer refugees.

"However, the study finds significant psychological and behavioral differences between what the researchers call Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich and Democratic (WEIRD) societies and their non-WEIRD counterparts across a spectrum of key areas, including visual perception, fairness, spatial and moral reasoning, memory and conformity...

The study, which reviews the comparative database of research from across the behavioural sciences, finds that subjects from WEIRD societies are more individualistic, analytic, concerned with fairness, existentially anxious and less conforming and attentive to context compared to those from non-WEIRD societies."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/06/100630132850.htm

Anonymous said...

I got it at the factory, Burlington Coat Factory.

TGGP said...

Whiskey, I already presented to you actual data on women's attitude toward immigration. I even divided it up by income! Are you a goddamn illiterate?

Anonymous said...

Apparently Blogger ate my comment.


If only we were so lucky.

rob said...

I could care less what happens to the "colder" parts of the country. Maybe they will stop making fun of southerners now and lose the attitude.

BamaGirl, I don't share your attitude 100%, maybe ~80%. Why are Vermont and Minnesotta whites more willing to import Somalis and Sudanese than white Southerners? Whites in the South did that already. It didn't turn out so good for whites. Who'd be stupid enough to do it again?

Whites in the south have plenty of experience with blacks, and they aren't eager for more. Vermonters haven't been exposed yet, so they have no immunity to being paracitized by blacks.

Thank God the yankees think we're stupid. If they thought we were smart, the Great Migration would not have happened. they'd never have let the south offload so many blacks on them.

Minorities are what make southern whites and urban ethnic whites so reactionary.

Yep. New York Jews vote Republican because of firsthand exposure to the diversity.

Gentile Vermonters will figure it out even faster. The frugal, thrifty Yankees are Democrats by accident. They'll make a wonderful addition to whatever replaces the Republicans.
why are African refugees so often sent to the places in the country with the highest percentage of relatively naive White women and girls

Yeah, the white population will lose a few of the dimmest, most easily fooled women. The rest will learn from seeing. Nothing makes a girl want a beta more than seeing an older sister (half or step most often) wiping and feeding her mulatto bastard alone. The black playah is nowhere to be found, of course.

agnostic said...

Ha, some of you guys are wound up way too tight. My mother's side of the family are Appalachian hillbillies, and I'm currently living in and enjoying the Mountain Time Zone.

Not that any of that affects my main point about where East African immigrants would be best settled.

Have a drink and lighten up.

rob said...

TGGP said...
Whiskey, I already presented to you actual data on women's attitude toward immigration. I even divided it up by income! Are you a goddamn illiterate?

TGGP, come on. You aren't new here. Whiskey doesn't do facts. Facts are an Episcopalian plot. If you expect Whiskey to saying anyting that matches reality, you are as delusional as he is. If you insist that he make sense, you HATE HATE HATE betas ELEVENTY!@!!

l said...

I like the crazy cat lady metaphor. Describes the pro-immigration folks perfectly. We'll take in all the world's strays. You get used to the smell after a while.

Kylie said...

rob said..."Nothing makes a girl want a beta more than seeing an older sister (half or step most often) wiping and feeding her mulatto bastard alone."

It doesn't seem to be working in my area. In the half dozen years since I moved to this quintessentially American small town, I've seen a noticeable uptick in middle-aged white women out with very young mulatto children, presumably their grandchildren. Evidently the white daughters take up with black men and then park the results with Mom. Which is what Stanley Ann Dunham did.

I infer you think a white girl producing a mulatto child tends to be shunned by or shun her own family but my observation is the opposite. I would love to be proved wrong but at least in my area, your scenario is simply not present.

Yet another example of how white women are helping destroy Whitopia.

Ian said...

"So, why are African refugees so often sent to the coldest places in the country, such as Minneapolis, Lewiston, Maine, and Burlington?"

Yes, as people have said, cold = white. And I like Mencious Moldbug's analogy between enforced diversity in the modern USA with the omnipresence of secret police spies in a dictatorship: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/09/real-meaning-of-diversity.html . If you have one [ true believer party member/angry touchy NAM ] in every town, every school, every church, every corporate meeting, every political group, etc., well, it stops dissent and creates obedience, stops people from saying what they really think, reports on any heretics, etc.

It's sort of like my favorite philosopher (not) Foucault's metaphor in his book Discipline and Punsh, about how society is like a prison where the jailer could at any moment be looking in on the prisoner. As the Wik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discipline_and_Punish) says , "Perhaps the most important feature of the [prison] was that it was specifically designed so that the prisoner could never be sure whether s/he was being observed. The unequal gaze caused the internalization of disciplinary individuality, and the docile body required of its inmates. This means one is less likely to break rules or laws if they believe they are being watched, even if they are not."

Ian said...

(continued)

Of all the freedom that white Americans have lost in the past fifty years, one I don't hear get talked about much (Rand Paul's recent well-publicized criticisms notwithstanding) is the erosion of the constitutionally-protected right of freedom of association. Organic, voluntary forms of association, just let people hang out with who they want to hang out with, is such a vital part of freedom and mental health. Breaking that down, and keeping all whites everywhere on their toes about what they say and do, I think is part of how the elites are destroying the white middle class' will.

White people congregating with white people without the oversight of an NAM commissar is not acceptable in modern America - as the common Tea Party banner says, "three white people in a group is racist". Law of course mandates "integration" in schools, government entities, and corporations (and, I guess, with Holder's suit against Arizona, in the nation at large), but I guess that the powers-that-be are extending their reach to individual communities as well.

Anonymous said...

Yet another thread in which the chronically unattached Whiskey refers to married men with children as "gay".

Chief Seattle said...

Gentile Vermonters will figure it out even faster. The frugal, thrifty Yankees are Democrats by accident. They'll make a wonderful addition to whatever replaces the Republicans.

Agree completely on this one. Outside of the university professors and students, most people in New England are pretty old-school conservative. That's why the politicians and media focus so much on the "cultural wars" - because if they ever focused on fiscal responsibility and live-and-let live social policy then it would be a lot more obvious that the banks and military contractors are robbing us blind.

travis said...

Thank God the yankees think we're stupid. If they thought we were smart, the Great Migration would not have happened. they'd never have let the south offload so many blacks on them.

I would never accuse the Yankee of being stupid. Evil, but not stupid.

Did the blacks that migrated to the North end up in Irish, Italian, and Polish neighborhoods by accident?

So, why are African refugees so often sent to the coldest places in the country, such as Minneapolis, Lewiston, Maine, and Burlington?

Welcome to our (the rest of White America's) nightmare.

Tanstaafl said...

My mother's side of the family are Appalachian hillbillies

. . .

Not that any of that affects my main point about where East African immigrants would be best settled.

Best? For who? Certainly not for native Appalachians.

Anonymous said...

Melykin: Toronto's Most wanted Hardly a white fact in the bunch.

Jesus Christ, that's terrifying.

In this case, I think 2 + 2 might equal about 1024.

Maybe even 65536.

Yikes!

Anonymous said...

Why are Vermont and Minnesotta whites more willing to import Somalis and Sudanese than white Southerners? Whites in the South did that already. It didn't turn out so good for whites. Who'd be stupid enough to do it again?


It's not up to "whites" to decide. The ruling class makes this decision and does not worry much about what whites think.

To the extent that whites oppose importing Africans, that just encourages the rulers to go ahead.

Sam said...

Kinda like introducing rabbits to Australia.

California already has lotsa rabbits - and a salubrious climate.

Anonymous said...

The refugees go to where the whites are. White people make nice towns, nice streets, nice countries. Our assigned job is to make a nice town and then give it to Africans, Latinos, Asians, or Hindus.

This is one of the reasons why I have no children. Why make more little white *slaves* for America to use. No point in it.

Mike said...

Why make more little white *slaves* for America to use. No point in it.


Contrast the defeatist attitude of contemporary whites to theier courageous ancestors who expanded over the whole world to defeat muslims and tamed the North American continent.

sj071 said...

History repeats itself..

http://wesclark.com/jw/foreign_soldiers.html

'The contribution of the foreign born immigrant troops to the cause of the Union was decisive in securing victory over the Confederacy. The loyalty and patriotism of these new Americans, with a few exceptions, never flagged. Their efforts helped insure a united country and a secure future for the nation.'

Anonymous said...

"Of all the freedom that white Americans have lost in the past fifty years, one I don't hear get talked about much (Rand Paul's recent well-publicized criticisms notwithstanding) is the erosion of the constitutionally-protected right of freedom of association. Organic, voluntary forms of association, just let people hang out with who they want to hang out with, is such a vital part of freedom and mental health. Breaking that down, and keeping all whites everywhere on their toes about what they say and do, I think is part of how the elites are destroying the white middle class' will. "

Right,I am sure many parts of the4 Civil Rights Act are unconstitutional.Minorities are being forced into the lives of white people.

There is also a thought police in this country.

Anonymous said...

I forget his name but a 'diversity' officer - or someone under the Gordon Brown cabinet called some cities in the UK "dangerously white' - ie they weren't diverse enough.

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

I forget his name but a 'diversity' officer - or someone under the Gordon Brown cabinet called some cities in the UK "dangerously white' - ie they weren't diverse enough."

Actually, he said that they were "hideously white".

Anonymous said...

A few random thoughts:

1) Outstanding thread, with some truly first-rate gallows humor [to include several strong LOL's].

2) I had never before encountered that opening sequence from The Departed - it must be edited out of the versions which I see on TV [did HBO play it or censor it?]. It certainly makes Nicholson's character far more sympathetic.

3) To the Anon considering childlessness: NO!!! That's precisely the desperation & hopelessness the nihilists are trying to inflict upon you. Even if you accomplish nothing else in life, you must NEVER allow them to win the battle for your soul.

Jake Featherston said...

They are sending lots of Somalis and other East Africans to Sioux Falls, South Dakota, too. Many of them seem to take jobs in meat-packing plants (which are some of those famous jobs-Americans-won't-do...not for minimum wage, anyway).

Broccoli said...

Wait a second. I thought it was the Jews who pushed immigration on us. I read it right here on this blog.

Do the Jews control Protestant churches now?

Anonymous said...

There is also a thought police in this country.

If you're trying to say this is a new thing, it isn't. Lenny Bruce. Wilhelm Reich. William S. Burroughs.

SWPL said...

Vermont needs to be as diverse as Minnesota

http://forum.minneapolisfinder.com/post-31569.html



http://inthespotlite.blogspot.com/2009/11/st-paul-somali-gang-films-assaults-of.html

Anonymous said...

As more and more Americans lose their jobs and are unable to find a new one, I expect enthusiasm for bringing in refugees to sharply diminish.

Uh, why do you think Congress keeps extending unemployment benefits? They don't want these enthusiasms to diminish. Congress will let America go bankrupt before it'll let these enthusiasms diminish.

Anonymous said...

There's one problem with your idea that white women despise white men and have Mandingo fantasies:

Ha ha, thanks for reminding me of this article

http://www.details.com/sex-relationships/sex-and-other-releases/200703/meet-the-mandingos

BasiaBernstein said...

When I was at BPP studying my law degree the, vast, majority of my class at Holborn had TCs. I can't speak for Waterloo though, didn't know anyone over there but did here that the situation was almost the opposite. Really strange.