September 25, 2012

Google Gaydar

In my Taki's Magazine column, I explain how to use Google's auto-completion prompts to quantify the Undernews -- the stuff a lot of people are interested in but isn't respectable.

As an example, I've started with the perennial question of whether various male movie and TV stars are gay. My method won't tell you the answer, but will tell you on a 0 to 100 scale whom the question is being asked about. Being able to quickly generate a lot of quantitative data about public perception, intuition, and curiosity, whether right or wrong, has a variety of uses.
To illustrate how you can use Google auto-complete to measure which actors trigger the public’s gaydar, let’s use veteran comic actor Bill Murray. If you type in “Bill Murray” and hit the space bar, Google offers you the ten most popular ways to complete the search phrase (e.g., “Bill Murray movies” and “Bill Murray net worth”). Not surprisingly, none of the ten suggestions for Murray includes the word “gay.” 
If you want to try even harder, type “Bill Murray g.” You’ll get ten g-word suggestions such as “Ghostbusters 3,” “Garfield,” and “golf,” but once again, not “gay.” 
This is hardly astounding. Bill Murray rarely plays gay characters (except in the farcical Ed Wood). He’s too old and odd-looking to be the object of gay fantasies. Most of all, in all his decades of fame, he’s never seemed gay. Thus, on a 0 to 100 scale of Google Gaydar, Murray is a 0.

I run through quite a few examples and offer cautions and a few tentative lessons from the data. 

Read the whole thing there.

I encourage readers to try out Google autocomplete prompts to measure perceptions of other aspects of the Undernews.

88 comments:

Anonymous said...

Is it possible to card a negative score? For example, 'Joe Blow gay menace' or 'Jane Doe gay pathology'.

'Steve Sailer' has two gay prompts in the Google top ten; however, closer analysis reveals that these are 'Steve Sailer gays' and 'Steve Sailer gay marriage'.

So if someone has been outspoken on the subject of say gay marriage, he may clock a false positive. (Clint Eastwood scores 40 like this). Ah, but cultural Marxism, also known as mainstream opinion, tells us that homophobes are really just big ole queens anyway.

Gilbert P.

Dennis Dale said...

I was curious so I tried it on the ill-fated Ambassador Stevens (there are rumors) and got nothing. Probably too soon.
But then I thought to try it on the openly gay Anderson Cooper and find his google gaydar goes off at "ander-". You might have to adjust your scale to account for the high profiled and the flaming.

Your score is zero. Even all the way to "Steve Sailer gay" google suggests Steve Sailer gays, as in Steve Sailer on the gays. Flame retardant!

Steve Sailer said...

I counted "gay," "gay rumors," and the like, but not "gay marriage" when it was an actor like Alec Baldwin that some people seem to treat as a fount of political wisdom on topics du jour.

agnostic said...

Good observation about the lack of gay interest in golf. The idea that explains most of gay deviance is their Peter Pan-ism, being psychologically and even somewhat bodily stunted in childhood.

Golf is a far more grown-up sport than others, so that's the one they'll be least interested in.

If gays were feminized, they'd show more interest in golf, since women do, even if in some time periods and at certain ages than others.

If gays were hyper-masculinized, they'd be golf junkies.

But the greatest predictor of not getting golf is being a child. Gays don't care for it because they're infantile, not effeminate. (Feminized and infantilized are correlated because females are more neotenous.)

hbd chick said...

btw, helpful hint of the day (if you're not already aware of it) -- use...

http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=0

...to avoid being harassed by google's auto-complete.

Anonymous said...

"Steve Sailer" Nothing of interest.

"Steve Sailer g" Guns, Germs, Steel/Gladwell/Guard/Golf Course Architecture.

I only get entries in the drop down box, but I think it's safe to assume you're straight.

Anonymous said...

Google trends is another excellent tool, but I think they've taken some steps to obfusticate certain items.

Anonymous said...

So again we see the problem with a pop culture article. Namely the myopic or discursive nature of self-censorship, within and without. Google has, at least, in the past censored certain prompts if not results.

For instance, until recently it was impossible to get a prompt for "Kobe Bryant rape" even though it was a major, major story not very long ago. Of course, that's the very reason why: Kobe couldn't be associated too closely with that incident while winning titles. Bad business.

On the other side, for those who must be smeared lest too many innocent minds hear their platform, Pat Buchanan immediately prompts "racist" and "anti-semite". Or for that matter, your name -- "racist" is the first prompt.

It rather undermines the meaning of this exercise, doesn't it? Or is it limited it to poorly closeted celebrities?

As addendum, Tom Cruise may or may not be gay. But gays, for obvious reasons, have always wanted him to be gay, and today straights are only too happy to see him as a fag since he's also considered a hateful psychotic or not too far off the dreaded MeL Gibson Standard. There's not much traceable evidence for this, other than what a large number of straights and almost all gays *want* or choose to believe.

Meanwhile, a guy like Louie Anderson, well known for trade at gay brothels, doesn't prompt gay rumors at all on the Google search.

Rather telling.

But actually, famous lesbians are far more entertaining for most of us, anyway. Rumors about Gillian Anderson with female models or Rihanna picking up strippers would be a far better basis for an article, no matter what Google prompts.

iselilja said...

"Internet search giant Google has reached a deal under legal mediation with French anti-racism groups which objected to the search engine suggesting users add "Jew" to searches for prominent names.

Under French law, it is illegal to record someone's ethnicity in a database."

AFP

It appears that the words "Jew", "Jewish" etc don´t come up authomatically after a name now, but may still come up if you press "j" after the name.

Anonymous said...

"I encourage readers to try out Google autocomplete prompts to measure perceptions of other aspects of the Undernews"

ok how about google auto-suggest for ... people which we won't name right now which i did below but who would ever write an article about this in the media i don't think anyone would

lazy / ruining america / a different species / chimps / bad tippers / the missing link / loud / ignorant / better athletes / hebrews / annoying / a burden on society / aliens / a problem / aggressive / arrogant / athletic /
bad drivers / better than whites / why ... are bad / why ... are better at basketball / why ... are better runners / beach / chimps / cursed in the bible / cowards / criminal / crushed / why ... are called coons / how many ... are catholic / drowning / descendants of cain / dumber than other races / dumb get over it / democrats / discriminated against / descendants of ham / different / everywhere / equal to whites / equal / evil / less evolved / girls are easy / enslaving whites / faster than whites / fools / romney says ... are freeloaders / gods / gross / god's chosen people / good for nothing / good at sports / genetically inferior / getting happier / genetically different / homophobic / hypocrites / human / hated / aren't human / 3/5 human / ignorant / indigenous to america / israelites / inferior / so ignorant / less intelligent / intellectually inferior to whites / jews / just out of the trees / real jews / true jews / original jews / joke / killing whites / killing each other / what % of ... are killed by ... / being killed in libya / killed by police / killed in holocaust / loud / like children / lactose intolerant / so lazy / more likely to commit crime / mentally inferior by nature / more violent / more racist than the kkk / more racist than whites larry elder / not as intelligent as whites / not a minority / not smart / not lazy / not intelligent / not equal to whites / native americans / not the real jews / why ... are not republicans / what percent of ... are on welfare, public assistance, food stanps, government assistance / primitive / primates / poor / rude / ruining south africa / rioting / rioting in london / socially conservative / superior / still oppressed / sociopaths / smarter / why ... so loud / the chosen people of god / their own worst enemy / the master race / the worst race / unattractive / uglier / uncivilized / useless / uneducated / ungrateful / unpatriotic / what % are unemployed

Anonymous said...

now if i use the pc version of the word, this is some of what google suggests:

for obama / for romney / against obama / in ww2 / with blue eyes / right to vote / extra muscle / in congress / and diabetes / israelites / not african / mixed / lazy / hairstyles / wigs / born out of wedlock / can't swim / considering braids / can't float / cancer / diabetes / down syndrome / drowning / depression / european anscestry / gay marriage / going back to africa / get lice / ghana / hypertension / hiv / homeschooling / health disparities / jail percentage / jfk / japan / jaundice / jail statistics / jazz / killed by police / kidney disease / kissing / kkk / korean war / kentucky / lactose intolerant / living abroad / in japan / in italy / in africa / in hawaii / las vegas / in paris / in mexico / martha's vineyard / moving to ghana / mormonism / moving to south africa / music nfi / nasa / nominated for oscars / on welfare / on wall street / on broadway / on titanic / on twitter / on long island / passing as white / portland oregon / poverty / quilting / qatar / quakers / rnc / sunburn / swimming deaths / spending habits / san francisco / stroke / tipping / type 2 diabetes / unemployment / vitamin d / vietnam war / vs africans / voices of triumph / visiting south africa / violence / with red hair / with green eyes / who won oscars / with down syndrome / with blonde hair / watermelon / white ancestry / xbox kinect / of xenia ohio / malcom x / xbox connect / xenophobia / haplogroup x / fragile x / xerosis / x men / yoga / yellow eyes / yellow sciera / yellow fever / you should know / yale / youtube / ymca / young restless / zoot suits / zurich / new zealand / zodiac signs

if the dreaded word the unspeakable word to refer to them is used then what comes up

nothing zilch nada

the word is not only unspeakable and unwritable it is ungoogle-suggestable

how long before Google takes the once-inoffensive word "..." out of the auto-suggest box

Anonymous said...

I never got the "Tom Cruise is gay" thing. He doesn't seem gay and there's no evidence for it but, as another commenter noted, a large number of people really really want him to be gay. And they congratulate themselves on being "in the know" for saying he's gay, even they only say so because other equally clueless people spread the rumor. Maybe people wanted to bring him down because of his all-American persona combined with cultish reclusiveness.

ziel said...

Fun stuff! I tried Paul McCartney - nothing came up until I got to "ga", but it was all stuff like "Paul McCartney denounces John Lennon gay rumor". But I did happen on this item, suggesting that the rumors of the death of the rumors of Paul McCartney's death are greatly exaggerated!

stari_momak said...

Okay, this is the gayest Sailer thread ever.

Anonymous said...

a peculiar google result while searching for something on your site:

http://sailerfraud.blogspot.com

David said...

OT

Obama leads Romney among NASCAR fans.

Anonymous said...

Any comment about John Maynard Keynes?

All those guys, then he meets a Russian ballerina.

goatweed

Unknown said...

@ Agnostic

That is the gayest explanation I've ever encountered.

Kai

Anthony said...

Ronald Reagan, nothing. "Ronald Reagan g" pulls up gay as the first autocomplete, but all the articles are about gay activists being upset with him.

If you get known for gun control issues (pro or con), your autocomplete with "g" tends to be "gun", not "gay", even for Clayton Cramer, who writes a lot about both guns and gays.

Anonymous Rice Alum #4 said...

Switching to baseball, Rusty Staub has a Google Gaydar score of 0. Johnny Bench has a 5.

pat said...

I have a book titled "Hollywood Gays" by Boze Hadleigh. It was in the dumpster of a neighbor who was moving. It includes: Cary Grant, Rnandolph Scott and Brad Davis who didn't want to be exposed and other less surprising gays like Liberace, Cesar Romero, Tony Perlins and James Coco. Apparently this guy Hadleigh has written a series of such books. He seems to think "outing" gay celebrities is somehow noble.

In any case the revelation that a Hollywood star is gay is weak tea indeed, it's hardly worth the effort of exposure. The only gay revelation with any real shock value is Barack Obama.

He is certainly prissy. He sings, he dances, he cavorts. He's snippy rather than menacing. Bill O'Reilly, an old guy, routinely threatens to punch someone in the nose. John Kerry pretended to be interested in guns and hunting so as to "macho up" for the election campaign. John McCain is so damn manly that he doesn't have to bother. He can't lift his arms so he'd probably kick you.

Obama does none of that. He has a host of personal characteristics that are not very manly. He acts like just one of the girls on "The View".

Albertosaurus

tenneby said...

I can't believe you wrote an entire article on who the masses speculate is a Hollywood queer without mentioning the un-Holy Trinity of Gere, Pitt and Clooney.

For what it's worth, Gere inexplicably scores a zero on the gay-dar but a 100 on the gerbil-dar. Pitt scores only a nine on the gay-dar and a zero on the gerbil-dar. Clooney claims a 100 on the gay-dar, and like Pitt, scores a zero on the gerbil-dar.

with one point for each ranking up from the bottom.

Pun intended?

Anonymous said...

I'd be interested in knowing Steve's and other's notions about how rumors about Barack Obama being gay began.

Are any of those who claim to know he visited Boystown strong sources or are they political opponents.

Did it start with the pics of him sitting so close on that couch with the guy who appears to be a Pakistani flamer?

I guess what I am asking is, "Is there plausible evidence to believe he's led a double sexual life?"

Aaron in Israel said...

I've seen a similar post before, I think by David Frum. Google "Rupert Murdoch [space]". That was enough when it was posted, but apparently now you have to add a "J". Of course J, unlike G, almost always has to be added. That just makes the original Murdoch J-rating astronomically high.

I tried a few more J-dars. "Scarlett Johansson J"? Yep. "Chelsea Clinton J"? Nope, only second place. "Ivanka Trump J"? Nope, second after Jewelry. "Rachel Maddow J"? Yep. "Sylvester Stallone J"? Yeah.

So, G and J. What other Google 'dars are out there?

a very knowing American said...

"Steve Sailer" doesn't score any "gay" hits, and "Steve Sailer g" only gets Sailer writing about gays (2 from the bottom) and gay marriage (last ranked), for a score of 0.

On the other hand, "Steve Sailer" brings up "Steve Sailer racist" as number 2 on the list, for a score of 90. This beats the "racist" scores for James Watson (80), Pat Buchanan (80), John Derbyshire (80), Arthur Jensen (60), Jeremiah Wright (10), Charles Murray (9), Mitt Romney (5) and Barack Obama (4). But it's less than the perfect 100s for Henry Harpending and for Gregory Cochran (once you throw out another Gregory Cochran who sells insurance).

Probably a high "racist" score is worse for one's career than a high "gay" score.

"Hitler" and "Adolf Hitler" have "gay" scores of 9 and "racist" scores of 0.

tenneby said...

Yet John Wayne Gacy only has a Google Gaydar score of 7. And that may tell us more about the modern mindset and the control of culture than any other number.

This is the most insightful (and frightening) part of your article. People hardly even entertain the idea that guys like John Wayne Gacy, Jerry Sandusky (score of eight), Jeffrey Dahmer (score of ten) and even Andrew Cunanan (score of nine) could possibly be gay, when we know that they are demonstrably gay.

diana said...

I don't think most people thought of this up to even a few years ago. Well, I didn't.

But now I do. I just don't see how Hollywood can keep gay actors in the closet the way things are going.

Remember Hollywood (in the form of David Geffen, advising his buddy Bill Clinton) was the home of "Don't Ask Don't Tell."

That's been repealed in the military.

What about Hollywood?

Extra credit: when will we have our first openly gay general? The gay Colin Powell?

Anonymous said...

Hey Steve,

Do you think the Gay Ghettoization of high school and college drama clubs might be responsible for the lack of American born action movie stars? They all seem to be foreigners. All of the most masculine guys in my high school were either involved in sport or part-time work. Never in drama class or drama clubs. Just a thought.

Truth said...

Mo-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-n Riiiiiih-Verrrr, wider than a mi-i-i-i-i-ile...

Sam Snead said...

If you google "Spalding," the first prompt is "Gray," rather than anything to do with sports equipment.

Anonymous said...

Obama is reverse Spock on Star Drek.

Spock, the emotionless Vulcan, comes to express human emotions.
Obama, of the wild and emotional Negroes, comes across as a man with control over his emotions.

Anonymous said...

I had forgotten about Tom Selleck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvQTsFkUEzM&t=5m7s

ATBOTL said...

They same thing happens when you make Scotts-Irish related searches.

Harry Baldwin said...

Shepard Smith of Fox News gets a 100 on Sailer's Swish-O-Meter. No surprise there.

Galactic Overlord said...

Steve,

You mentioned Tony Randall in your column... I see another reason why Google Gaydar tags him.

He played the lead character in the short-lived NBC sitcom Love, Sidney, which was the first American TV series to feature a gay lead character (back in 1981!).

By today's standards, the character's homosexuality was extremely muted. In the 2-hour pilot, it was subtle but unmistakable. Because of protests from interest groups, it was only obliquely hinted at in the first season. The second season hinted at it much more due to a change in the creative team, but still never made it explicit. The exploration of gay themes went no further because NBC pulled the plug on it after the second season.

Anonymous said...

But the greatest predictor of not getting golf is being a child.


Ha, ha. I'm open to the possibility that golf is a pleasant pastime to engage in. But as a spectator sport it ranks only slightly ahead of watching chess and checkers.

It's amusing that people who think that soccer is boring can find golf engrossing!

Anonymous said...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/20/nyregion/rich-got-richer-and-poor-poorer-in-nyc-2011-data-shows.html?_r=0

Rich get richer in NY, but it's okay as long as the rich getting richer are blue state Jews, gays, liberals wasps, Asian drone pets, and haute mulattos.

Anonymous said...

Congratulations on mentioning Gielgud's magnificent performance as Charles Rider's father in Brideshead. I am always telling people how perfectly he catches Waugh's characterisation.
Waugh's old men (particularly fathers, although the childless uncle Peregrine is one of his best) are all masterpieces of affectionate observation of the quirkiness, and sometimes wisdom, of the elderly.
If you don't know it, I highly recommend "Work Suspended". The hero's father is, again, a masterpiece.

Anonymous said...

GOP policy should be called 'deep frying vanilla ice cream' strategy.

Harry Baldwin said...

Another question: do you get the gay prompt when Googling names of people who everyone knows are gay? For example, when I Google Truman Capote, Liberace, or Oscar Wilde, "gay" does not come up among the first few prompts.

eah said...

I encourage readers to try out Google autocomplete prompts to measure perceptions of other aspects of the Undernews.

I did. When I enter 'Steve Sailer ', guess what the first proffered phrase is? That's right: 'Steve Sailer racist'. And after all the effort you've put in promoting 'Citizenism' etc etc yada yada. Schade.

Anonymous said...

I don't use Google myself, and I'm not sure why everyone else does. There are several other equally good search engines out there.

Whiskey said...

Here in the LA Basin, talk and news radio has many ads for Google Search reputation "fixers" that remove negative keywords AND links to searches on your name and business.

Google is probably good for lawyers that way.

The existence of the Undernews itself is unhealthy, and until recently there was little undernews. What made America great, and in fact greater than any other nation, was that things were overtly discussed, openly, and not in hidden, obfuscating language. Some of it was not very nice, to say the least, derogatory language towards gays, non-Whites, and so on but it was at least honest. Everyone knew where they stood. Openness is its own strength.

An elaborate Undernews is a sign of a society paralyzed by caste systems, fear, taboos, and entrenched interests unable to speak openly and move discussion along. It is a feature of hierarchical, hereditary, semi-aristocratic societies oriented towards the feminine, rather than masculine.

Reading say, Eric Ambler's "State of Siege" you see in the early set-up an elaborate game that the "Sundanese" play with each other. Someone with a grudge or debt or what have you with a powerful person will make up the most outrageous gossip and repeat it blandly, the more wild and improbable the better; while the listeners will say the rumors are impossible out of personal knowledge, the goal to keep a straight face. The whole point is to tell the reader that the society in which the protagonist is stuck in, waiting to get out, is completely non-Western as understood in the year 1956. The gossip and rumor-mongering are there because open criticism and opposition are impossible in "Sundanese" (really: Indonesian) society. And the Sundanese are weaker because of it. Set against a double-crossing coup by Islamists, one of the Sundanese officers criticizes the Islamists by saying to the effect that more Mosques and more Islam are all well and good, but what then? How will people eat better, have better sewage (the book notes the canals are full of human waste and stink of it), clean water, and the modern things like refrigerators, radios, and clean running water that make life better?

I agree (because I said it myself years ago) with Heartiste that the stunning changes in the economy and "status-hoarding" are as explosive as anything else in the West, matching printing, gunpowder, steam power, the internal combustion engine, computers and computer networks, television, radio, and the pill and condom for social effect. The Undernews is here because technology changed society. Radically. In ways we are still comprehending. The change is in my mind BIGGER than that of the Industrial Revolution.

carol said...

"All of the most masculine guys in my high school were either involved in sport or part-time work. Never in drama class or drama clubs."

At my HS the male roles were usually cast from the Speech class that the drama teacher also taught. The kind of guy who'd take drama was usually relegated to bit parts or backstage.

Steve Sailer said...

The evidence for Travolta being gay has always been far stronger than for Cruise.

Anonymous said...

"Obama does none of that. He has a host of personal characteristics that are not very manly. He acts like just one of the girls on 'The View'."

And even more telling, on The View yesterday, he had the arrogance to refer to himself as "eye candy" for the ladies. I have to admit, having seen the clip, he seemed gay when he said that.

Straight guys know the phrase, but, hey, have you straight guys actually used it, and used it to refer to yourself?

That WAS gay.

He's an effete male with a masculine-looking woman--strange couple.

Beecher Asbury said...

What made America great, and in fact greater than any other nation, was that things were overtly discussed, openly, and not in hidden, obfuscating language. Some of it was not very nice, to say the least, derogatory language towards gays, non-Whites, and so on but it was at least honest. Everyone knew where they stood. Openness is its own strength.

I guess will just have to blame white women on this. Who else besides them has the power and influence in major media, Hollywood, and academia to perform such a feat?

Chris Anderson said...

Anon 3:12:

"And even more telling, on The View yesterday, he had the arrogance to refer to himself as "eye candy" for the ladies. I have to admit, having seen the clip, he seemed gay when he said that.

Straight guys know the phrase, but, hey, have you straight guys actually used it, and used it to refer to yourself?

That WAS gay."


VERY perceptive! As a gay man myself, I've known some guys who were trying not to be gay but eventually came out. One sure sign was the way they talked about girls or attempted to flirt with girls. There was always something "off" about it. The words and phrases might be ther but they didn't match the emphasis, body language, expression or other non-verbal cues.

I once analogized this to speaking English as a second language. The artifice was evident in the way that a non-native speaker sometimes can't "hear" an error or weird construction. Obama's View appearance made me think of that too.

Aloysius the Bear said...

Waugh's old men… are all masterpieces of affectionate observation of the quirkiness, and sometimes wisdom, of the elderly.

Wait, what? Charles Ryder's father is portrayed as a cold, aloof, indifferent, passive-aggressive asshole. Gielgud may have made him look a bit whimsical on the television, but the character is horrific in the book.

AllanF said...

"on The View yesterday"

You watch The View?

Anonymous said...

My gaydar and jewdar are pretty damn poor.

I use to work in an industry in an area of the country with a fairly high concentration of gays (maybe 10% of my business contacts were gay ...probably not as much as Hollywood but still a lot for most fields I think).

I got along fine with them (I am a live and let live type person), but was continaully surpirsed when I would discover that such and such was gay.

About 50% of the time it was pretty obvious, but the other 50% of the time they seemed just like like bland metrosexuals who you might see out with his wife and two kids..

With lesbians, not the butch kind but the lipstick lesbians it was even tougher...

Any suggestion for improving gaydar or jewdar (that also isn't something that is well develped in me).

Yeah, I know if a guy likes Broadway show tunes that is a sign he might be gay ... are there any others that I should know about?

If I can improve a little, at least I won't be embarassed when accidentally try to fix a gay guy up with my sister-in-law or invite a Jewish guy to hear my pastor speak.

Anonymous said...

IMPORTANT. I have a gay question for everyone.

I am a Yankee and recently moved to a big Southern city. I work in a field with a lot of gays.

Literally half a dozen times in this city, I've become acquainted with a guy from work and assume, "obviously, this guy is gay."

Then later I meet his (female) wife and children. What's the deal? Is the Southern accent misleading me? Are they more likely to be "in the closet"? Is there something else going on?

Remember, this is a big city in a liberal profession, with plenty of "out and proud" gay types, so it can't be just fear of fundamentalist repression.

Anonymous said...

If you want to use your test for lesbians do you type a G or an L?

Steve Sailer said...

I don't know. Try and see what you get.

dandidar said...

" was curious so I tried it on the ill-fated Ambassador Stevens (there are rumors) and got nothing. Probably too soon.
"
They were not rumors. There's a picture of Stevens as young, handsome blond, and his curly-haired beau, circa 1980, on hillbuzz, a conservative blog run by a gay conservative. Yes, that's right.
Apparently the two chaps were very taken with Brideshead revisited and fancied themselves as Sebastian and Charles.
Actually, in the book & the series, I never really saw Charles as gay. He didn't go about lusting for men. He was just haunted by one man and all he symbolized, and more for reasons other than his body.
I can't tell you how exasperated, nay disgusted, I am getting with having every same-sex relationship, short of mom-daughter, dad-son, described as "gay." For one thing, I'm a woman and I can go for weeks without giving a fig about sex (even when I was young.) So I particularly resent it when I've been "accused." I have no desire whatsoever for physical intimacy with the other females, however much I may enjoy their company.
So I think it is the same for a lot of men. But when they are young, it could be a case of whatever is handy and willing.

sssh said...

"I'd be interested in knowing Steve's and other's notions about how rumors about Barack Obama being gay began."


well, here goes...
but before I do, I must purge the idea of B.O. as "candy." He's too repulsive. In fact, only one year after his election, I was talking to very nice black lady about him. She did not like him at all--said there was something off-putting about him--didn't think she'd want him approaching her in an amorous way. I assured her that should she meet the Great One, there was little chance of that calamity, for here's the rumor...

Larry Sinclair, a one-time gay prosititue, recounts an encounter c. 1999, w. details involving limousines, crack, coke, various sexual actions, a hotel room, and an Indian chauffer still on the rn. Mr. Sinclair (declared criminally insane by the MSM, but is damnably articulate and focussed for that description)wrote a letter to the WH with a description of B.O.'s privates; but I don't think M.O. would be shocked or surprised. She might not even remember herself.
There was an execution-style murder of an openly gay choir director, Donald Young, in Dec. 2008, in the church of Jeremiah Wright. Mr. Young had just gotten in touch with Sinclair. He admitted it was at the behest of the Obama campaign, to see if he'd be trying to make trouble, but the two got to talking and found they really liked each other, so Mr. Young admitted what he had been put up to. The Chicago police were ordered off the case, and the press won't write about it, and Donald's family have been scared into silence.
Sinclair always claimed it was Obama's drug use,not his gayness, that rankled him as most hypocritical, because no one asked him about gayness.
It was well known in Chicago circles who knew of him, and B.O. and Rahm were members of Man's Country, a gay club in Chicago.
Pretty soon Mr. B.O.'s orientation will be as well known as J. Edgar Hoover's proclivities.
But in the meantime, we must all pretend to be shocked, shocked, that such an open & honest person would be hiding anything.

Anonymous said...

Lorne Greene scores 80.

Steve Sailer said...

The secret about Obama is that there isn't much of a secret. He's an unremarkable preppie who happens to have had a black father, which propelled him much farther than he would have gotten without that distinction. Not many people, on any side of the political spectrum, want to talk about the bleeding obvious, so a lot of creative energy has been invested in less plausible theories about Obama.

Dennis Dale said...

Lorne Greene scores 80.

Best joke ever told on the Tonight Show:

Carson: On Bonanza you were four bachelors with no women in sight. Were you gay?

Michael Landon: No, but thank God Hop Sing was!

Anonymous said...

Edison Lighthouse - Love Grows Where My Rosemary Goes

Wow - that brings back memories.

Anonymous said...

They were not rumors. There's a picture of Stevens as young, handsome blond, and his curly-haired beau, circa 1980, on hillbuzz, a conservative blog run by a gay conservative. Yes, that's right.

A few days ago, I tried to hot-link to HillBuzz, when they first broke the Stevens story, but Komment Kontrol shot me down.

Well, at least now we can MENTION HillBuzz [if not actually hot-link to them].

Truth said...

"The secret about Obama is that there isn't much of a secret. He's an unremarkable preppie..."

Then why have you written about him 340 times?

Harold said...

"IMPORTANT. I have a gay question for everyone.

I am a Yankee and recently moved to a big Southern city. I work in a field with a lot of gays.

Literally half a dozen times in this city, I've become acquainted with a guy from work and assume, "obviously, this guy is gay."

Then later I meet his (female) wife and children. What's the deal? Is the Southern accent misleading me? Are they more likely to be "in the closet"? Is there something else going on?

Remember, this is a big city in a liberal profession, with plenty of "out and proud" gay types, so it can't be just fear of fundamentalist repression."


I lived in the South for about 20 years, and the typical Southern male was unmistakeably more masculine and straight then men in the NE or SW (other regions I've lived in).

Sounds like you you somehow had a stereotype of a Southern accent sounding gay, and then found out it wasn't the case. I wasn't aware the media was pushing this stereotype.

Usually they depict Southerners as mouth-breathing inbred racists which would disagree with the narrative of gays being sympathetic oppressed sensitive minorities.

Cail Corishev said...

"Rumors about Gillian Anderson with female models [....]"

What? Why was I not informed?!

Anonymous said...

Ah, gay gossip. Back in the early 90's, Chicago radio personality Garry Meier told me that comedian Richard Lewis claimed that Tom Cruise and Paul Newman were lovers.

Anonymous said...

"He's an unremarkable preppie"

In this age of television, his Hollywood 'rock star' charms and verbal instincts make him remarkable.
Maybe Romney has a more remarkable record as businessman and politician, but he's unremarkable as a TV personality.
TViability matters in politics in this day and age.

Also, Obama balances aloofness with approachableness. Some politicians are too detached and distant--like elder Bush--while some politicians are too goshy chummy--like Dubya.

People want leaders who seem greater and higher yet seems friendly and nice. Obama plays the superior man but with warmth and smile. So, he's both the man high above and the man who fist bumps you.

White boys have no such command of style.

unix said...

"People want leaders who seem greater and higher yet seems friendly and nice. Obama plays the superior man but with warmth and smile. So, he's both the man high above and the man who fist bumps you.

White boys have no such command of style."

Many centuries of sound and fury signifying nothing (in Europe) would tend to suggest otherwise.

Good grief the Dems are getting desperate. They're working their Obots overtime.

shhh said...

"here was an execution-style murder of an openly gay choir director, Donald Young, in Dec. 2008, in the church of Jeremiah Wright."

Correction. Execution style murder in December 2007. Before the election.

Funcrusher said...

"Good observation about the lack of gay interest in golf. The idea that explains most of gay deviance is their Peter Pan-ism, being psychologically and even somewhat bodily stunted in childhood."

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You must be joking. "Peter Pan-ism" implies some sort of childlike asexuality, but gay (male) culture is actually hyper-sexualized.

Dennis Dale said...

Then why have you written about him 340 times?

Because the phenomenon of Barack Obama is endlessly fascinating. But the man himself remains a furtive cipher (you know, like a closet case).

People want leaders who seem greater and higher yet seems friendly and nice. Obama plays the superior man but with warmth and smile. So, he's both the man high above and the man who fist bumps you.

White boys have no such command of style.


Oh you're priceless. White boys have no command of a certain type of black charisma that Obama (to his credit) has not. Good for him. The last president was a strutting a--hole, and it was embarrassing. We don't need to go back there.

Obama remains distressed at his own white characteristics, as one former white girlfriend alleges (which is the epitome of whiteness; no self-respecting brother frets about such things--nor does he diss his mother and origins as O does)--though in his autobiography he claims his mother says all she passed on to him were his eyebrows--you wish, O, with that awkward caucasoid skull that would have drawn daily beatings in the average black high school.

That's why white liberals like him. He wasn't black enough for Chicago but he was white enough for America. He's like Sydney Potier in an age of Lil Wayne. You're just projecting.

Just as when O first arrived on the national scene, people were ascribing to him the sort of masculine charisma which they associate with black men. So, for instance, when we saw photos of him with his shirt off, a guy who looked to be in pretty good shape for a middle-aged man became, in the words of one suck-up over at Asia Times, possessed of--no joke--"glistening pecs". Or these notions of his "hipness". Who the hell fist-bumps un-ironically anyway? White phonies, that's who. It's like high-fiving. One should be embarrassed.

We shouldn't want a "cool" president anyway. It's like voting for the guy you'd rather have a beer with. Have we all become idiots?

My favorite complaint is when people like Bill Maher complain he should be "blacker", as in bad-assed; yeah, the Kwame Kilpatrick model, that's what the country needs!

Funcrusher said...

Why use Google to find out who's gay? I can go here for the latest gossip.

Dennis Dale said...

Good grief the Dems are getting desperate. They're working their Obots overtime.

Yeah, I hope for that commenter's sake he is a campaign troll.

And they're working for half the pay! Romney the predatory capitalist is a piker!

Reg Cæsar said...

The evidence for Travolta being gay has always been far stronger than for Cruise. --Steve

Bloody hell, they're both Scientologists. If anything knocks Gay off the throne of King of Creepy Hill, it's that.

And Mr Truth has said some provocative things in posts past. But insinuating that Johnny Mercer was a poof is a new low even for him!

'Huckleberry friend' was just poetic license.

Steve Sailer said...

One pattern is that old but living stars drop down the Gaydar scale. Some can be expected to go back up after they die.

Truth said...

"And Mr Truth has said some provocative things in posts past. But insinuating that Johnny Mercer was a poof is a new low even for him!"

Mere coincidence, I was paying homage to the death of Andy Williams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flm4xcOyiCo

Dennis Dale said...

Bloody hell, they're both Scientologists. If anything knocks Gay off the throne of King of Creepy Hill, it's that.

That's hilarious.

Has anyone written about the incendiary nature of the comments attributed to Travolta by his gay accuser? Because this guy claims Travolta said he was initially repulsed by homosexuality but "learned" to like it.
That's a cardinal transgression against "born this way" dogma, the sort of utterance that ruins careers.

But the "Creepy Hill" line makes me think fairy fatigue is the new negro fatigue.

Silver said...

Funniest autocomplete I've heard of (the guy presented a screen capture) was the words "Are s..." which was autocompleted to "Are spaniards white?"

Isn't this based on prior searches though? I've had some autocompletes that shocked me by their prescience and only made sense considering what I'd just recently been looking up.

Reg Cæsar said...

Mere coincidence, I was paying homage to the death of Andy Williams.

Yes, I knew that. But I always assumed he had the young Osmonds on his specials because they could skate and sing-- not 'cause he wanted his ashes hauled.

John Craig said...

Obama's gayness, once you see it, is inescapable:

http://justnotsaid.blogspot.com/2012/09/is-obama-gay.html

Chicago said...

Obama thinks he's "eye candy"? Whaaa? He is actually homely looking. Romney is ten times better looking than that sissy. Maybe they should cover all the mirrors in the White House so he can get back to work.

Severn said...

Truth has said some provocative things in posts past.

If by "provocative things" you mean "stupid trolling", sure.

Anonymous said...

"Scarlett Johansson J"? Yep. "Chelsea Clinton J"? Nope, only second place. "Ivanka Trump J"? Nope, second after Jewelry. "Rachel Maddow J"? Yep. "Sylvester Stallone J"? Yeah.



Sounds a lot like "Beethoven b" which tells you that Beethoven was black, or at least that some significant percentage of the Google userbase are wondering if he was.

Johansson and Stallone are Jewish only in the sense that Jews like to think they are.

Mr. Anon said...

"Truth said...

""The secret about Obama is that there isn't much of a secret. He's an unremarkable preppie...""

Then why have you written about him 340 times?"

Maybe it's because he's the f**king President, nitwit.

And what's your complaint? Your comments are nothing but inane drivel, and yet you keep reposting them.

Anonymous said...

For "Aloysius the Bear":

You're not English, I'll bet. Edward Ryder types are two a penny over here (or were, when this was still a civilised country). They are not "nice", a characteristic never valued by the English upper and upper middle classes. What Ned Ryder notices in his son is a lack of fibre, and he sets about trying to instil some in him before an even less nice outside world does it for him.

josh said...

Lindsey Graham,top gay score.

diana said...

What makes you think that the 'don't ask don't tell' policy protecting Hollywood leading men will last forever?

DADT was invented in Hollywood, by David Geffen, good friend of Bill Clinton, to help him get out of the jam Clinton created by prematurely stirring up the gay hornet's nest. DADT was the compromise that Geffen came up with, smart gay guy that he was. He knew the country wasn't ready for gay soldiers and would never really be - it had to be put in a cowed, beaten down, stunned state, as it is now.

I predict that pretty soon DADT will be unofficially repealed in Hollywood and the market will decide whether or not gay leading men are acceptable.

Anonymous said...

"Obama thinks he's "eye candy"?"

This is the age of Johnny Depp and other pretty boys, not Bronson and Lee Marvin.

Anonymous said...

"Obama thinks he's "eye candy"?"

"This is the age of Johnny Depp and other pretty boys, not Bronson and Lee Marvin."

I don't get your point--Obama is not even Johnny Depp material. He's a black, gay, Howdy Doody.

Or maybe he sees himself as a Snickers bar in a gay bar.