December 28, 2012

Urban Baby

A reader commends to me the discussion site UrbanBaby.com for the displaying the id of upper crust white new mothers and mothers-to-be as they confront realities associated with reproduction, causing them to think inappropriate thoughts. For example, on the most popular list is:
I am affiliated with a large university. Every time a crime happens on/near my campus (if the victim is a university affiliate), the campus security department sends an email to all affiliates with a description of the crime and a description/photo of the perpetrator(s). I have been affiliated with this university for over a decade and have received several such emails a month. In every single instance, the perpetrator(s) are young black males. My question: How do I avoid fearing/stereotyping young black males when I am out on the street? Most of these perpetrators have not been caught. Some of the crimes are quite violent. 

This sets off a long discussion, with points made that 

- readers surmise that this campus must be Columbia, or Yale, or U. of Chicago, or U. of Illinois Chicago, or Penn, or Northwestern, or Loyola. A few readers slyly imply that it's somewhat futile to try to identify which unique campus has this unique problem.

- that white male fraternity boys commit a lot of crimes on campus (although if the Urban Baby reader who wrote in is getting black out drunk at fraternity parties, then she and her Urban Baby have a whole 'nother level of problems); 

- "You don't know what you're talking about. Black people are more likely to be charged and convicted for crimes. This does not mean they commit more crimes. You need to work on your critical thinking."

- "Keep in mind, a white guy shoot and killed 27 people two weeks ago."

- "And another white guy shot up a mall just before that. And another white guy shot up a movie theater a little while ago."

- "But how about the Midwest and Kentucky? Plenty of scary white people there. You seem really uninformed."

- "This post made me think of Sandusky..."

- "How about all those white priests! Just saying."

Anyway, I've always wanted to turn this discussion around and discuss how non-criminal black males signal to white people on the street that they aren't violent. A lot of white people would probably like to stereotype more accurately, but our society makes almost zero effort to educate well-intentioned whites in how to do it.

Brent Staples of the New York Times Editorial Board wrote a famous essay about how filled with rage it made him when a woman walking alone down the street at night worried that he might be an Angry Black Man. As he got older, he decided, though, that it would be best for all concerned if he tried to alleviate tension proactively by whistling selections from Vivaldi's The Four Seasons. This essay is now cited frequently to demonstrate the terrible cross black men must bear: for example, a recent book by Claude Steele was entitled Whistling Vivaldi.

My guess is that a large fraction of younger black men like to send clues that they aren't thugs. For example, in the 1990s, after Spike Lee's "Malcolm X" movie came out, it seemed like wearing glasses became a bit of black male shorthand for "I'm black and I've been to college." But, I don't keep up with that sort of thing as much anymore. 

And it's difficult for general clueless white people to look up on the Internet signifiers of black harmlessness without being able to read way between the lines. You could probably watch a whole lot of Key & Peele shows and make up lists of class markers among blacks, but anybody who wrote up a table for the straight-forward education of well-meaning whites would get in trouble. 

Moreover, blacks police blacks who don't act thug enough. For example, Washington Redskins' Heisman trophy-winning star rookie QB Robert Griffin III got dumped on for not being black enough, even though he looks about 98% black, and so far seems like a credit to any race. So, if nice white people started to figure out what the signals were, blacks would razz the ones who showed them, making them unpopular.

Moreover, white people love to ironically espouse thuggish black fads like hoodies, a sort of KKK hood for convenience store robbers.

Mexicans have equivalent thug fashions, but, fortunately, white people find Mexican narco fashions, in the rare moments when they notice them, retarded-looking:
Notice that when that Mexican-American lady-singer, Jenny Rivera, died in a plane crash in Mexico this month, it was only slowly noticed by America's white media that she was a huge star in narcocorridas. It turns out her father is a big name as a producer in that field. 
From the LA Times:
Jenni Rivera, the Mexican American pop music singer who died in an airplane crash this weekend, came from a family that wielded an enormous influence on Mexican popular culture in Los Angeles. 
Her father, Pedro Rivera, is a pioneering entrepreneur among the business class that grew from, and grew strong in, the Mexican immigrant consumer market in the cities of southeast Los Angeles County. 
Among his achievements, Pedro Rivera was among the first to release the records of Chalino Sanchez, a skinny young immigrant from Paramount, who, in death, would become the godfather of the Mexican narcocorrido or narco-ballad. 
Pedro Rivera formed Cintas Acuario from a Long Beach storefront. The company rode the immense narcocorrido wave that followed Sanchez’s slaying in 1992 with a series of anthology cassettes -- Corridos Perrones -- with bands and singers posing with AK-47s, flashy cars and songs suggesting the musicians’ drug-mob connections. 

That's all news to me, as it is to white people everywhere. There are practically no SWPLs in the United States who are into narcocorridas, not even ironically. When some rapper gets shot, everybody at Brown U. swoons from the exciting tragedy of it all, but nobody cares about the Mexican equivalent.

It's not that white people were never interested in this kind of music. For example, Marty Robbins' El Paso was a huge hit in 1959. But, they moved on.

On the whole, it's good for Mexicans that white people don't find them cool.

147 comments:

Anonymous said...

Steve,
John Malloy covered this topic in his spectacular book "Dress for Success"

Basically, he laid out the truth that violent street criminals never ever wear ties.

Any man that wears a tie is sending a signal that he is not a street criminal.

Ties that are quite preppy looking (small repeating patterns, or diagonal stripes) can be had from ebay for less than three dollars each.

Any man that does not want to be seen as a possible street criminal need only wear a tie, and in the Manhattan PS six school district you often see young black men wearing ties while shopping, as a way to signal that they are not shoplifters or thugs.


Chicago said...

The bit about wearing glasses is a gimmick defense lawyers have used in trying to make the criminals they defend look to be mere college kids, studious youth out of place as defendants. They get them neat haircuts, suit jackets and black framed glasses with plain glass in them since they don't actually need vision correction. Dressing to look like a respectable working type is what con artists, pickpockets, robbers do to lull people into thinking all is well. Sending out false cues is what they do so it's often hard to tell who is really what. Of course, the saggy pants brigade are so far down the food chain they couldn't manipulate cues if they knew what it even was; they may as well have neon signs over their heads.
If that woman wants to avoid forming stereotypes in her own mind then she would have to move far, far away to never never land where she could feel noble about herself once again.

Anonymous said...

The moment this sort of Vivaldi whistling thing starts getting recognized by white people is the moment people start getting robbed by Urkel lookalikes.

Michael Ryan said...

actually Steve both Weeds and that show about the high school chem teacher that cooks meth on the side had episodes with narco ballads so its on swpl radar

Andrew Gilbert said...

Well, some white people noticed. Elijah Wald, a smart and very interesting music journalist (his book on the early blues argues that blues purists' notions of the Delta tradition are badly misinformed) wrote a fascinating account of the music/drug trafficking nexus "Narcocorrido: A Journey into the Music of Drugs, Guns, and Guerrillas" about a decade ago. http://www.amazon.com/Narcocorrido-Journey-Music-Drugs-Guerrillas/dp/0060505109

nsam said...

The same type of letters is received in ANY university near a downtown (that has a NAM population above some threshold. 10%?). Lots of events in the letters (thefts on campus) are also associated with the same group and are not believed to be serious enough for distribution. Analysis of the campus annual budget for security, corrected for campus size/prestige, is likely a good proxy for crime rates (this can run into hundreds of millions of dollars, I kid you not).

Anonymous said...

I followed the link and found this comment:

I work at Columbia and we get these emails all the time. How do I avoid stereotyping? How to avoid stereoptypes? Easy - by recognizing that 99 percent of people aren't criminals - it's just a tiny fraction.

I see this all the time. People say 99% of blacks aren't criminals. I have also heard it reported that 1/4 of black men are in the 'system', meaning they are either in prison or on probation. If this figure is correct, and assuming black men are half of all blacks, then that means 12.5% of all blacks are criminals. And this total would be even higher if one were to include black female criminals.

So based upon this back of the envelope calculation, that 99% comes down to about 87% which is not a 'tiny fraction'. Yet people keep insisting that 99% are not criminals.

Anonymous said...

The movie Malcolm X??

I always thought people were wearing Super Bowl X hats.

Dan in DC

Glaivester said...

Elf-thug chic.

Anonymous said...

Cain "Brown Pride" Velasquez will fight the Brazilian Junior "Cigano(Gypsie)" Dos Santos tomorrow for the Heavyweight UFC Belt.

Anonymous said...

Those strange working class/middle class white people/hillybilly/rednecks/white trash are out to get YOU!

FEAR THEM! DESPISE THEM!

Anonymous said...

NBC Universal has been making narco telenovelas for years that glorify the carels. They are on Telemundo and the media is completely silent about them.

Anonymous said...

Those Mexican guys remind me of these Papuans except they wear their phallocarps on their shoes.

ogunsiron said...

Though my hair is kept short like that of almost all black males, it's not done in the "urban" fashions.

I never wore baggy pants while they were popular ( they're definitely passé among black males) and never was into black brands like enyce, fubu or similar brands.

I mostly wear understated, slightly fashionable attire that has no "urban" connotation at all.
I wear metal shirts a lot: that's not always reassuring but for sure it doesn't project "blackness" :)

Finally, hearing me speak will always confirm that I'm a cornball brother.

Anonymous said...

Short indigenous men wearing elf shoes made in China: what could be trendier? Gotta get-get me a pair of those shoes.

Hey, I saw a snap shot of Jenni Rivera's CA driver's license recovered from the narcojet crash scene. Height: 5' 03" Weight: 160 lbs. She could push an average size guy onto the subway tracks, easy.

Anonymous said...

My guess is that a large fraction of younger black men like to send clues that they aren't thugs.

Do you mean, like, 1/20 or 1/15?

rob said...

Where the hell did you find those diverse leprechauns?

Anonymous said...

Mexican Narcos are simply not a danger to random passers by in the same way that American blacks are.

Anonymous said...

"Moreover, blacks police blacks who don't act thug enough."
Reminds me of Dave Chapelle's hilarious and yet, still disturbing "I'm Wayne Brady, bitch!" skit.
Pleasant, multi-talented Wayne Brady is an object of ridicule, until it's revealed that he is actually a street thug in the most extreme way: "Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?"

Anonymous said...

I'm guessing that a lot of these vaqueros in pointy boots are of the BrokeBack Mountain sort.

Whiskey said...

OMG, the shoes, the shoes! How do they ... walk. That's not a photoshop? Its real? Weird.

Anti-White guy sentiment among White women is pretty strong there on that list. You don't see that among say, Black women for say, Chris Brown. Conclusion: better to be a thug than a beta male. Women forgive a thug anything, a beta male nothing.

I would assume that most Black guys prefer to be scary to White people, as being scary makes them also sexy, and gives scary looking Black guys an edge in social situations (if people fear you, they defer to you and submit). Its not as if being scary to White people has any real downsides, this is not Mississippi in say, 1935. But a Northern University area when we have a Black President and there's a movie with a Black movie star where he "kills all the White people, how Black is that?" boast on SNL.

Heck I figure most White guys want to be scary themselves, hence the tat plague. A way to match the scary arms race.

Whiskey (in case Google nukes my username).

Whiskey said...

Note btw the hate hate hate (common fwiw) by most SWPL women for "frat boys" ... I can't tell you how many times I see those comments by SWPL women online and in real life.

Invariably there are no stories or anecdotes, rather just "they all do it" and so on. If I had to guess, it would be frat boys hitting on them and being unsexy, women hate that and never forgive it. Rather than say, going Chris Brown.

Whiskey again.

Anonymous said...

"You don't know what you're talking about. Black people are more likely to be charged and convicted for crimes. This does not mean they commit more crimes. You need to work on your critical thinking."

This more or less epitomizes the thinking on the left. The original post clearly references crime REPORTS, not arrests or convictions. And doesn't she also clearly state that most of the perps have not been caught, hence her anxiety?

And yet they go straight for the trump card: white racism, yada yada yada . . . even though the uniform crime report statistics (which don't take arrests into account) make blacks look even worse, don't they?

Harry Baldwin said...

I'm a middle-aged white man, so when I'm walking behind small children I reassure them by whistling "In the Hall of the Mountain King."

MKP said...

"My guess is that a large fraction of younger black men like to send clues that they aren't thugs."

My guess is that, in this case, your guess is wrong. The opposite is more likely the case: that many non-thuggish young black men sort of enjoy the fact that people look at them as dangerous and violent.

It's kind of a cheap thrill, walking down the block or stepping onto the train, and having everyone sort of recoil away from you in fear. And the negatives have melted away, as an angry, violent attitude is now seen as cool, as something to be emulated.

If you saw 10 tough-looking, tough-talking, thug-acting black teenagers on the way to work today, 7 or 8 of them probably aren't true habitually violent criminals. They're just teenagers who get off on scaring people.

Anonymous said...

Law abiding blacks shouldn't blame whites for fearing crime or violence from them. They should blame their own law breaking blacks for giving them this bad name and image in the first place.
Whites should hardly be made to feel guilty for the "cross" honest blacks have to bear. Whites are simply being prudent, especially given the hugely disproportionate amounts of crime, particularly violent crime, that blacks commit. I know some snakes are venomous and some are not. But I can't tell which ones are which. Thus I make a point to prudently avoid ALL SNAKES. The hurt feelings of the non-dangerous snakes are not my concern.

Anonymous said...

"..it filled him with rage when a woman alone at night worried he was an angry black man.."

So not only do white woman have to fear criminal ("angry") black men, but when they take prudent and sensible precautions, they have to feel bad for "enraging" the non-criminal black men.

As always, when you are dealing with blacks, you just can't win.

Of course these blacks should REALLY BE MAD at their own kind for causing this fear in the first place. But blacks just don't think that way.


Anonymous said...

I absolutely agree with your broad point, but having lived through the gentrification of Phoenix during the early and mid 2000's, "dangerous mexican" culture WAS cool. Santa Muerte was a popular costume, votive candles were in every SWPL home, kitchy Virgin de Guadelupe knick nacks were de rigeur.
I get that PHX, AZ was effectively ground zero and concede that Mexicana didn't really get much further than that, but I think you under-estimate the "hipness" of La Cavalera Catrina as a leitmotif to SWPL life in PHX/LA. Hell, a "google image" search for "la calavera catrina" has mostly art on page one, but of the humans in costume, 0% were mexicans and 100% were white

Anonymous said...

"That's all news to me, as it is to white people everywhere. There are practically no SWPLs in the United States who are into narcocorridas, not even ironically."

BS. Skiing is popular among whites.

Btw, what's really retarded is fried ice cream.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT0jmAesKIo

Anonymous said...

In New York City they have teams of specialized police trained in stopping and frisking who make the determination. Like bank examiners they separate the good from the bad so you don't have to.

Anonymous said...

A reader commends to me the discussion site UrbanBaby.com for the displaying the id of upper crust white new mothers and mothers-to-be as they confront realities associated with reproduction, causing them to think inappropriate thoughts.


I.e., the evil SWPLs - the root of all evil according to the HBD worldview.

I mean, can you believe the nerve of this woman, complaining about Black male criminals - doesn't she realize that the existence of Black criminals is all her fault? Why does she show no remorse for inflicting the problem of Black criminality on honest, God-fearing conservatives?

Bobby said...

Wow, those boots are awesome. I've got to find some here in Texas by next Halloween.

rightsaidfred said...

The reflexive defense of Young Black Males on the UrbanBaby board is interesting, as usual, on several levels: the "protest too much" angle; and has there ever in human history been such institutionalized support for an outgroup? It makes me think that indeed we have been visited by aliens who are running a Grand Experiment by flipping the switch in some people.

dearieme said...

She should just hire an armed bodyguard, as rich liberals do.

Anonymous said...

There's something rather . . . odd lurking in the subterrene of commentator Whiskey's posts. A cuckold fetishist, perhaps?

Anonymous said...

racism in the elevator

Anonymous said...

What is it with those ridiculous, pointy Mexican boots?

Apparently such shoes/boots were popular in medieval England, I believe they are featured in an episode of the first 'Blackadder' series.

Uncle Peregrine said...

Maybe these guys are copying the Finnish hipster band/collective the Leningrad Cowboys. In _The Leningrad Cowboys go America_, a music business guy played by Jim Jarmusch advises them that their music would go over better in Mexico.

http://www.leningradcowboys.fi/

Anonymous said...

"My question: How do I avoid fearing/stereotyping young black males when I am out on the street? Most of these perpetrators have not been caught. Some of the crimes are quite violent."

If people accepted the problem exists and young black males were locked up in whatever numbers it took to get the black crime rate equalized with some marker group with the same blue/white collar proportions then the ones who were left would be the non-psycho ones.

If you had a three strikes and you're out till age 26 policy to achieve this then the total number of black prisoners wouldn't neccessarily increase - and might even reduce - but the proportion of 16-26 year olds locked up at any one time would increase.

.
"Anyway, I've always wanted to turn this discussion around and discuss how non-criminal black males signal to white people on the street that they aren't violent."

Reality works the opposite way. Because violent crime is much higher in black areas even the non-violent ones try and act gangsta as a way of scaring off the gangstas. I grew up somewhere like that and i used to call it my "bother someone else" walk.

So basically they'd a double-act and one which they could switch instantly on the bus if some gangstas got on as a young male black person acting white has a higher target priority than attacking white people.

Auntie Analogue said...

Those outlandish scorpion-toed examples of Mexican footwear prove that what Nancy Sinatra sang about boots is not always true.

Dennis Dale said...

That forum thread is amazing. You can actually see them run the gamut of plausible denials here.
Liberals have made themselves insane. One of the responses:

There's no way that in 10 years, none of the young white males on your university campus have committed violent offenses. I'm sorry - there is no way. If you could tell us the city you're in, then at least we could google and do some research.

We'll google our way out of this mess, girls!
But then they break out the "white guy mass murderer" narcotic and recline back into their couches:

»So, should I be afraid of white guys in the mall?
»Who the hell knows who we should be afraid of these days.
»Exactly. Everyone is crazy


Everyone I say. Middle-aged women for instance. And the elderly. Be careful around them; when you see them starting to congregate, or form in packs, get away...

Here they are, actually relieved to have white mass murderers out there! What would they do without them?

Anonymous said...

I'm all for identifying and recognizing that small strata of less violent black males.

Unfortunately, statistics tell us just how small that group is. Since blacks commit murder at 8.5 time the rate of white people, a black man representing the same 'threat level' as the average white would have to be about 8.5 times less violent than the average black.

Right.

Tell that lady to cross the street to the other sidewalk

Conatus said...

As far as bad ass Black men go I don't think you can have it both ways. You is either intimidating on the street or you ain't. Projection of menace is central to black style of communication. On the street you have to look like a bad ass merely to be left alone. It was my experience, after twenty years in the neigh(white guys say 'neigh') that you got more street status points after four years in Lorton(the old DC prison) than four years at Harvard. But then you have problems transitioning to the middle class world. You can't go around glaring balefully at everyone on the street and then whine when you get picked out in the Department store.

As far as the college audience is concerned, this letter on stereotyping to this audience is just another example of how the least independent thinking demographic in the United States today are the college educated. They have spent four years being herded into politically correct thought pens and they are not willing to venture out of those corrals. We are a crowded society now and these college kids have learned well the old maxim from a crowded Japan, that the 'nail that sticks out gets hammered down' so lay low and conform.

Yet at the same time, somewhere sub rosa and sotto voce these college kids suspect there is something a little different about their new BFF African-american friends.

James Q. Wilson was a professor at Harvard for 25 years, and in the chapter on crime in his 2002 book "Beyond the Color Line" he makes the point that "Black men commit murders at a rate about eight times greater than that for white men." This disparity is not new: it has existed for well over a century. When historian Roger Lane studied murder rates in Philadelphia he found that since 1839 the black rate has been much higher than the white rate.

Are these statistical disparities the result of police bias? Do the police target more blacks and therefore arrest more blacks? Professor Wilson would say, no, they are not. Why? Because the more recent numbers are confirmed by the reports of victims, not police. Using the results of the National Crime Victimization Survey, which measures the response merely of victims of crime, Wilson says (second paragraph of his paper), "Regardless of whether the victim is black or white, there are no significant differences between victim reports and police arrests."

Anonymous said...

in the 18th century businessmen used to dress like quakers because they had a reputation for honesty

PA said...

The "fratboy" retort to black rape fears has been around for more than thirty years. It's a trope created by people who make movies and tv shows, and was amplified by lesbian feminists in the eighties with their date-rape propaganda.

Fratboys are almost never criminals. What they are, as apex-SMV males in college, is arrogant assholes, which is not a crime and is very sexy -- though also resentment-generating in mediocre-SMV women who didn't rate as their girlfriend material back in college.

Some of the thirty-something white moms today are feeling our grapes. Others, are mostly just parroting pop culture memes, opportunistically status-jockeying in attacking a peer who exposed her weak side in uttering a taboo.

Anonymous said...

What I find most surprising is that the woman seeks approval for her hate thoughts. I'm a man and I know that at night in some neighbourhoods I don't walk past groups with young Moroccans with hoodies; why be at risk for something shitty to happen to you?

If she thinks she's at risk at night for rape and young black guys are most likely to do the crime, she should just avoid them. The alternative is to walk into some fatal trap by not listening to your gut. It's a matter of chance.

By all means try to give disavantaged minorities a break now and then, but as woman alone at night ain't the time and place. Some people's zeal to please their inner egalitarian urges is unreal.

Anonymous said...

The chance of a jet crashing is miniscule, but airlines take extreme precautions with every flight because the consequences of one going down are horrible. That is why even if only a minority of black males are violent, it is still rational to take precautions each time. If black males were only a risk of a minor inconvenience it wouldn't be sensible to avoid them when alone at night. People are generally rational.

Anonymous said...

Whiskey move to the south. It's pro bally to late for you, but frat boys hire security at UT entirely to keep the blacks out and thus the white girls in. Sorry you didn't hear about this earlier.

The Anti-Gnostic said...

Thug/non-thug? I always look at the eyes.

The comment from ogunsiron brought back a great memory. In 1986 I was at the enlisted club at Camp LeJeune. I remember a black guy getting on stage to jam with the band. Brutha said, "I don't play anything but metal; none of that popcorn s***!" And damned if he didn't start playing 'Paranoid.'

The unconscious marker for thug/non-thug is the eyes.

Also, baggy pants are still huge among the thugs in Atlanta.

Truth said...

" Conclusion: better to be a thug than a beta male."

Is this a new conclusion you're making?

Truth said...

"I'm a middle-aged white man, so when I'm walking behind small children I reassure them by whistling "In the Hall of the Mountain King."

As long as you're not whistling "In the Navy" by the Village People, you should be fine.

Anonymous said...

My money is on Boston University. Urban student ghettos right up the B Line regularly being worked by kids from the nearby Burry, and, because it's chock full of reality-challenged Jewish girls, the area has been the rape capital of Boston for 40 years.

SFG said...

A tie is a bad idea for a crook--you can grab it and choke him. Kind of like the way sneakers used to be bad news--they're good for running.

Svigor said...

And another white guy shot up a mall just before that. And another white guy shot up a movie theater a little while ago.

I would like to take this opportunity to once again point out that I have been unable to find any statistics on mass shootings in the US; how many victims they claim each year, how many victims they claim each decade, how many victims on average, how many shootings, et cetera.

Assuming this is my failing, I'd like to see the numbers.

Assuming it's not, I'd like to know why anyone is taking the bitter grabbers' PR epidemic seriously.

Drunk driving kills 12,000 people a year in this country, and no one is calling for an alcohol ban, an 85-proof+ ban, etc.

Svigor said...

actually Steve both Weeds and that show about the high school chem teacher that cooks meth on the side had episodes with narco ballads so its on swpl radar

Yeah, I actually did a double-take on the right hand picture because I thought it might be a screen cap or set photo from Breaking Bad, until the shoes loaded.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps the most ignored demographic in America beyond Hasidic jews are non-thug black men.

SWPL liberalism the childish fantasy non-sense seems like an easily beaten set of ideas and fad politics.

josh said...

The back and forth was very interesting.Its seems one of the girls was intent on getting the OP in trouble,demanding to know the university. What kind of assholes are these gals? One old girl--prob the same one-- cant seem to wrap her head around the fact that the alerts are for black males.'Are you sure? In 10 years??Every single one?" The reply:"Every.Single. Fucking.Time.OK?I swear." As you noted,the comment warning her not to get drunk with frat boys was pretty funny;wish someone had picked up on that. It IS really disturbing the way these girls stick up,on the verge of hysteria,for black males. They are profoundly stupid.But worse they are dying to do harm to young white men on the campus. I can see how a Duke Fake Rape can happen. I think one reason for that is that white women are not allowed to look down on ANYONE except white men.On the heirarchy we are at the bottom,but they are but one step above. They sound like HS girls enforcing the code. Ugly. Also re Jenni Rivera. I of course had never heard of the girl,(tho I have heard of narco ballads)but it was amusing to read that when she died she was,like Selena,on the verge of crossover stardom. Brings to mind Maxwell Smart:Missed it by THAT much!

Anonymous said...

I look at those stupid F'n boots the same way I looked at the NBA players who wore glass frames with no lenses- shaking my head at the stupidity of certain groups. And also a smugness that I ain't part of them!!

Dan in DC

josh said...

BTW the killer in the mall was NOT white! Sheesh! And re Truth,"In The Navy",LOL!

Anonymous said...

To the ears of a SWPL, narcocorridas don't sound different from other regional Mexican music. I only know about them because I was making a push to get fluent in Spanish a year ago. Even if they get put in as soundtracks to SWPL TV shows, whites who aren't good in Spanish (all of them basically) will never notice.

Svigor said...

(this can run into hundreds of millions of dollars, I kid you not)

No $#!^. I just noticed the other day that Wikipedia lists endowments, and how low Vanderbilt swings.

I see this all the time. People say 99% of blacks aren't criminals. I have also heard it reported that 1/4 of black men are in the 'system', meaning they are either in prison or on probation. If this figure is correct, and assuming black men are half of all blacks, then that means 12.5% of all blacks are criminals. And this total would be even higher if one were to include black female criminals.

So based upon this back of the envelope calculation, that 99% comes down to about 87% which is not a 'tiny fraction'. Yet people keep insisting that 99% are not criminals.


When people deliberately stupidify themselves to be PC, there's no end to their stupidifications. They don't know that conviction rates are actually slightly friendlier to blacks than crime victimization reports, for example. Meaning, they don't know that to get their black pets in the clear, their silly beliefs require that each year, hundreds of thousands of nice white folks make up lies about the black men who attacked them to tell the cops.

And yet they go straight for the trump card: white racism, yada yada yada . . . even though the uniform crime report statistics (which don't take arrests into account) make blacks look even worse, don't they?

Right. But who but a RACISS!!! would have so many facts about black crime at his command?

There's something rather . . . odd lurking in the subterrene of commentator Whiskey's posts. A cuckold fetishist, perhaps?

Yeah, he's pretty creepy.

The "fratboy" retort to black rape fears has been around for more than thirty years. It's a trope created by people who make movies and tv shows, and was amplified by lesbian feminists in the eighties with their date-rape propaganda.

The black propensity for rape (6.5 times the white rate) is especially taboo not just for the obvious reasons, but because while you can assault or kill someone to put food on your table, nobody commits rape to survive. The black propensity for rape puts the poverty excuse next to the Titanic.

Svigor said...

A tie is a bad idea for a crook--you can grab it and choke him. Kind of like the way sneakers used to be bad news--they're good for running.

Clip-ons, baby! And like a lizard with its now-detached tail in a predator's mouth, you can make a quick getaway.

fondatori said...

Whistling classical music to put women at ease is probably the worst idea I've ever heard. Just about every serial killer on TV is playing classical music in the background when he tortures his victims or is whistling something classy when stalking his victims down dark alleys.

Hacienda said...

Ties would make bad markers.

You need an entire suit and shoes to surround a tie.

If you walk around California in a suit and tie that makes you a member of the white collar criminal class.

Better- kazoo, dead iphone or Galaxy 3, neatly manicured beard or extra long beard.

No one's ever been mugged by a black man playing a kazoo.

The Vivaldi bit is sarcastic, too.

Anonymous said...

Some people's zeal to please their inner egalitarian urges is unreal.

Yeah, I don't think people have an inner egalitarian urge. They do have a desire for status, and these days that means mouthing egalitarian bs. Ironic of course, that people increase their status which is anti-equality, by pretending to believe in equality.

Corn said...

Are those shoes for real?? Are we sure that's not some ind of hoax?? How the heck do you drive in those things???

Anonymous said...

That Urban Baby site is a hoot! I began to wonder if it was someone pranking. Tee bubble-headed, PC, elitist, smugness and sense of self-entitlement expressed on this site takes self-parody to the level of an art form or perhaps a new form of mental iullness

NOTA said...

Anon 8:32:

Not in America, but in some places in Mexico they sure as hell are a threat to innocent passers-by.

Anonymous said...

My guess is Drexel University. All the problems from Baltimore have been migrating up and out, and Drexel is right in the middle of a pretty shit area of Philly.

Anonymous said...

John Malloy covered this topic in his spectacular book "Dress for Success"

Basically, he laid out the truth that violent street criminals never ever wear ties.

Any man that wears a tie is sending a signal that he is not a street criminal.


Of course, this brings up a whole other class of problems:

PHILADELPHIA - A former salesman for the Philadelphia Eagles Radio Network was awarded $614,000 in a discrimination case after being given a book that advised blacks selling to whites not to wear Afros or African-style clothing.
The Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission issued the ruling Feb. 28 against Viacom Inc. and Infinity Broadcasting, the network's parent companies.
``It's been a very tough road, standing up for what you believe in,'' said Shawn Brooks, 34, who said his family is of mixed race.
Supervisors at the radio network distributed an advice book called ``New Dress for Success'' by John T. Molloy in 2001, Brooks said. The book also advises Hispanic salespeople to ``avoid any hair tonic that tends to give a greasy or shiny look to the hair; this also triggers a negative reaction.''
Brooks complained to a supervisor, but got no response, the Human Rights Commission said. He resigned less than a year into the job.

http://jacksonvillefreepress.com/april-p303-79.htm

Anonymous said...

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/12/29/saudis-sweating-bullets-over-energy-revolution/

brown energy

Anonymous said...

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/12/29/silicon-valley-ditches-green-energy/

Just another guy with a 1911 said...

The tie thing is true.

Long time ago, in the blue state I still live in, I worked with a light skinned black guy at an insurance company. We had both grown up in the same rather well to do town. He had graduated from a local parochial high school known for its exacting academic standards. We had a lot common and, looking back now, I am pretty sure we were both hipster doofuses. As such, we got along swimmingly.

Our job required us to meet with insureds and claimants after an accident to appraise their cars, as well as handle their generally questionable claims of bodily injury. We did this at all hours, including after dark. One aspect of our job involved cold calling insured and claimants after an accident if the claims handler in the office could not make phone contact.

The dress code at the company was business casual, because most of the time was either spent outdoors in rain and snow and heat, crawling under cars with flash lights, or wandering about in body shops that could have kept a team of OSHA inspectors busy for a week.

My friend would always have a preppy looking tie with him.

Being clueless, I asked him about it. He told me in all seriousness that some of the more backwards areas of our territory (this a small blue state we were in, mind you) were a stronghold of KKK types and he would wear the tie so he wouldn't get shot or have the cops called on him while wandering about trying to find a house in the dark, when ofttimes he was unexpected.

In retrospect, I believe the KKK thing was just code for racist white folks, but he clearly felt the need to "Dress for Success."

Anonymous said...

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/its-different-with-kids/

hugged by reality?

Anonymous said...

"In every single instance the perpetrator(s) are young black males. My Question: How do I avoid fearing/stereotyping young black males when I am out on the street?"

Isn't it amazing how political correctness makes white people so stupid? Instead of just looking to her own safety and being naturally wary around blacks (which might just keep her alive) she is only worried about appearing "prejudiced".

Gilbert Ratchet said...

Awesome boots!

I recall in college being told that it was perfectly normal for women to fear men after dark. Sure, not all men are rapists, but why take the risk? Etc. In fact, it was kind of expected for the _man_ to cross the street to signal to the woman that he meant no harm.

No one cared a bit about male feelings in these situations.

But when it comes to taking prudent precautions about young BLACK men after dark, it incites paroxysms of self-loathing as white people worry about whether they're engaging in "stereotyping" or "profiling."

The world we live in...

Svigor said...

For those wondering about his "white women" schtick: for the thousandth time, Whiskey is Jewish and horrified by the idea that his tribe might be blamed for contributing to social decay via their domination of the mass media. So, he cooked up some nonsense about how the ever-progressing degeneration of the media is just Jews giving white women what they want. Then he implies that this ever-progressing, ever-changing - if ever only in one direction - degeneration is a biological constant.

That's it, the whole enchilada. All of his flailing is about wanting to plausibly deny that the media intelligentsia is boiling the frog.

Anonymous said...

rightsaidfred said...

The reflexive defense of Young Black Males on the UrbanBaby board is interesting .... has there ever in human history been such institutionalized support for an outgroup? .....


My guess is no, there has not. That's a big claim but I think the unique X factor is a culturally hostile mass media. Young women in previous times had to consult their friends and relatives to find out who was friend or foe, deadly dangerous or merely interesting. Those close friends and relatives had no wish to steer such young women into danger and would have been severely punished socially and even legally if they did and things went badly. But today no Hollywood producer or New York magazine editor gets in trouble for telling millions of young women and girls "out there" somewhere that they should feel deeply ashamed for fearing the thug in the hoodie.

Harry Baldwin said...

Blogger Whiskey said...Note btw the hate hate hate (common fwiw) by most SWPL women for "frat boys"

On the facebook site "I love it when I wake up in the morning and Barack Obama is President!" I saw the meme "Paul Ryan--Doesn't He Remind You of Every Frat Guy You Regret Sleeping With?"

feministx said...

"
I work at Columbia and we get these emails all the time. How do I avoid stereotyping? How to avoid stereoptypes? Easy - by recognizing that 99 percent of people aren't criminals - it's just a tiny fraction."

It is very very easy to avoid the ghettos and all lower income people when coming and going from Columbia. In fact, Columbia is so well segregated that you pretty much have to go out of your way to find a low income black person.

Kylie said...

Harry Baldwin said..."I'm a middle-aged white man, so when I'm walking behind small children I reassure them by whistling 'In the Hall of the Mountain King.'"

LOL! And you buy them balloons, too, right?

Kylie said...

"The 'fratboy' retort to black rape fears has been around for more than thirty years. It's a trope created by people who make movies and tv shows, and was amplified by lesbian feminists in the eighties with their date-rape propaganda.

Fratboys are almost never criminals. What they are, as apex-SMV males in college, is arrogant assholes, which is not a crime and is very sexy -- though also resentment-generating in mediocre-SMV women who didn't rate as their girlfriend material back in college."


Worked in off-campus housing in a college town for some years and saw this up close. Frat boys are indeed assholes. I was therefore surprised to learn from my street buddies that they were very fond of frat boys. The frat boys would hand out leftover food from the frat house kitchens, put their empties where the street people could collect them and get the deposit and even put new-in-the-package items of household goods and clothing on the very top of the dumpster trash so the street guys could retrieve the clean blankets, shower curtains and clothes without having to dumpster dive.

The guys took me on their frat route early one morning so I could see it first-hand. All the frat houses did this, not just some. Very illuminating.

The non-frat guys ("independents" they used to be call, IIRC) would make a big show of going to where the street people hung out and buying one a burger or handing out a few cigarettes. That was about it, though. And I know from cleaning out their vacated apartments that they had plenty of household goods, food, clothing etc. they could have passed out had they wanted to. But they didn't. They just wanted to make a real liberal showing of how compassionate they were.

Unanimous said...

"A tie is a bad idea for a crook--you can grab it and choke him."

Too bad nobody thought about that during the Wall St. bailout.

Beagle Juice said...

Not exactly on the topic of this article, but I think it would be of interest to any of iSteve's readers who haven't stumbled across it:

http://www.reactionaryjudaism.org/file/n15/fate.pdf

DanJ said...

Commenter Uncle Peregrine above is right.

Finnish show band "The Leningrad Cowboys" have worn shoes like that since 1987, and a hairdo to match.

Jefferson said...

[QUOTE]"And another white guy shot up a mall just before that.[/QUOTE]

Hey Steve Sailer, though the guy who shot up the Portland mall had a WASP sounding last name, phenotype wise he looks like a member of MS-13.

Jacob Tyler Roberts had a WASP name, but a south of the border phenotype. He is clearly some type of half breed, just like George Zimmerman.

He is probably the off spring of a White man who banged his short Brown Hispanic maid.

HAR said...

I think in the comments it becomes pretty clear that the OP doesn't really have the "dilemma" and is just trying to get a rise out of the board. She has a ready response to every stupid liberal response, which indicates she's thought about the issue too much to be as naive as she pretends. I wouldn't be surprised if she was a reader of this blog.

Glaivester said...

I'm a middle-aged white man, so when I'm walking behind small children I reassure them by whistling "In the Hall of the Mountain King."

Hans Beckert, is that you?

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Whisky has ever encountered the term "idée fixe."

Anonymous said...

Now that decades of crime procedurals have taught us all that America is overrun with intelligent, highly cultured serial killers, I'm not sure that whistling Vivaldi on a deserted street would still have the desired effect...

Anonymous said...

Well, I don't like either black or hispanic stuff myself. Hispanics are kind of in limbo to advance themselves, Bush period caused another babyboom, the boom was among immirgant hispanics that now are back to be renters, so its diffcult for Juan to advance himself. Blacks have been going to the south. Mexicans that are legal should moved to cities like San Antonio or like places where its not that bad for a Mexican.

Anonymous said...

Re: signalling black-but-not-thug

Blipster:
A cross between the words "black" and "hipster". However it is not used to solely describe a black hipster but rather one with non-stereotypical African American culture. This person, (who usually is black), will typically have natural hair and embrace their skin color, listen to alot of old school poetry hiphop (like digable planets) and maybe even jazz. Describes someone very passionate about the culture

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blipster

Anonymous said...

Obvious comments to make to this worried lady:
1) Black men are not only more likely to commit crimes, but more likely to be the victims of crime.
2) Corollary: most white people don't have to worry *too* much if they stay out of the way of black male crime zones.
Obvious comments to make to Steve's readers:
1) Black people aren't that oblivious/hostile to the reasoning behind this stuff.
2) Corollary: Black women will heave a sigh of relief if they turn around to see who walked in to a banks' ATM arcade behind them, and find that it's a white woman. Sisterhood didn't cut it at the OJ trial, but it matters in dark buildings at night.
3) I remember a big debate about this in the Washington Post back in the early 90s when I lived in DC. Almost everyone of whatever color agreed that it's all right to be afraid of black teenagers hanging on a corner in running shoes, but that you're a racist if you fear a black businessman in a beige raincoat, carrying an umbrella.

Alias Clio

Anonymous said...

Blacks don't help the gun control lobby much

Anonymous said...

A little off topic, but do readers here still remember the white lady who did not want to appear racist getting raped in Bakersfield about four years ago?

The woman had just left the Babies R Us store on when she noticed a man in a tattered military coat lurking in the parking lot, she told police. The woman told detectives she was worried because the man looked like a thug, but she didn’t want to seem racist.

Anonymous said...

Drexel is right next door to Penn. Penn's got tons more security being an Ivy, but the neighborhood is the same. Drexel is a little closer to 30th street station so maybe it is a little worse.

Anonymous said...

Was awarded 614k for being given a book he didn't like...

That was the easiest 614K anyone ever got.

Anonymous said...

"My guess is Drexel University. All the problems from Baltimore have been migrating up and out, and Drexel is right in the middle of a pretty shit area of Philly."

Pretty sure you meant Temple, sport.

Mr. Anon said...

"Eloi Baby"

Anonymous said...

she is only worried about appearing "prejudiced".
AND the SWPL posters are willing to throw her to the dogs rather than offer her advice that might save her life.
Cultural marxism is true insanity.

Whiskey said...

You can't sell ice cubes to Eskimos. Sorry Svigor "the Jews" are not using mind-rays. Otherwise you would not see Louis Farrakhan getting all that respect.

Hence the ludicrous personal attacks* because you can't handle the truth. There is something **VERY WRONG** from Shades of Bondage to Oprah with female White culture (and Black female culture too, but that's another issue). Its called uncontrolled female hypergamy and it destroys civilization. See Roissy/Heartiste or Larry Auster or Moldbug or Devlin. Sorry to shatter your worldview, truth hurts but its preferable to lies. You can't fix society by "magic" -- pretending a scapegoat is what is wrong; or that the rot is not systemic and complete.

One reason why Blacks figure so large in White women's psyches is the big physical differences between Blacks and Whites. A good many Mexicans can "pass" for White, or look like a very tan Italian. Someone like say, Eric Estrada, could look like your third cousin Vinny from the Jersey Shore, who did a lot of Gym Tan Laundry.

Black people look vastly different, which likely accounts for being treated as subhuman for a long time; and then as magical well, now. The status-mongering and caste system that most Educated White women reinforce and defend at all costs puts "frat boys" as Demon #1 and Black guys as objects of veneration. My guess is that most White women are fascinated by the physical differences which is why you see Oprah or Whoopi Goldberg playing wise Black women all the time; the former being a fat lesbian with weird habits, the latter a chain smoker with the voice to prove it. And that the social changes, not needing a protector/provider make beta male White guys just "icky." [Alpha male White guys like say, John Mayer excepted of course. Its always different for Alphas*.]

True story, I'm in the elevator in Marina Del Rey at work (in a now defunct multimedia company) and a White woman age 60 or so gets on with a Black woman in her forties wearing some stupid Dashiki faux-leopard print "African" dress and head-dress that looked like something out of an Eddie Murphy movie. The White woman just fawned over the woman and the outfit (I tried to hide inside, I was so embarrassed for her) and I could not understand why until now.

*Mayer was famous for saying he has a "hood pass" even though his member was "a member of the KKK." Because he's ... John Mayer, noted ladies man, Alpha Male, there was no comeback the way there would be for say, someone like John Cryer. There's a whole bunch of Alpha Male White guys who get passes from culture because they're Alpha, saying things that would be hounded as "racist" by a non-Alpha White guy.

Anonymous said...

Beagle Juice:
it would be of interest to any of iSteve's readers who haven't stumbled across it:

http://www.reactionaryjudaism.org/file/n15/fate.pdf


Unquestionably a very insightful book! A must read for all "The Decline of the West" type of students.

Unfortunately, the file in your link is only a half (albeit the better one) of the book as published. I'd suggest that everyone interested spends 1 min waiting and entering a captcha to download the full book as originally published (now out of print, it's been OCRed and formatted to closely approximate the original):

http://depositfiles.com/files/9h0wuqwzy

Anonymous said...

Illegal immigrants trash destroys the habitat of wildlife why are concerned environmentalists not concerned about this?

Anonymous said...


"Pretty sure you meant Temple, sport."

Pretty sure I meant Drexel. Go three blocks in any direction and you're just begging for a problem.

Remember, Philly was the city where some guy called out a woman for her crying kid and she called her baby daddy, who showed up with an assault rifle and dumped a magazine into the bus.

Baloo said...

Ah! — "Dial M for Moto," eh?

Anonymous said...

*Mayer was famous for saying he has a "hood pass" even though his member was "a member of the KKK."

Translation: I love your culture, but I have no intention of taking advantage of, or competing for, your women.

A beta, not an alpha, comment. That's why he didn't get in trouble. The terms "hood" and "KKK" were modifiers used to conceal the passivity.

Anonymous said...

Manolo the Shoeblogger had the final word on Mexican pointy toed boots two years ago, when they first appeared.

http://shoeblogs.com/?s=botas

Anonymous said...

Hilarious, but sad. Sad because there are so many elite Whites who will suffer pangs of conscience in response to this scolding. Hilarious for the same reason.

Truth said...

"Since blacks commit murder at 8.5 time the rate of white people, a black man representing the same 'threat level' as the average white would have to be about 8.5 times less violent than the average black."

Hey, Blaise Pascal, I thought you were dead.

Anonymous said...

Here is another working link to Glubb Pasha's complete version of "The Fate of Empires and Search for Survival":

http://www.gigasize.com/get/zw4nt529tvb

Of note, Sir Glubb's own life was a testament to the dominance of Nature AND, at the same time, the significance of Nurture: His sister was celebrated car racer Gwenda Hawkes. He had four children - two of his own and two adopted. His son became famous Muslim journalist and activist for Palestine causes. His native daughter also became a journalist and inherited father's estate back in England. NOTHING can be found about the fate of Glubb's adopted children (one Palestinian and one Bedouin). All indications are that they became estranged from their adoptive family and that they were not notable for any cognitive achievements.

Truth said...

"And also a smugness that I ain't part of them!!"

Yeah, it gives me great prided that I'm not a fawned-after, famous, multimillionaire below 30 as well.

Truth said...

"...which is why you see Oprah or Whoopi Goldberg playing wise Black women all the time; the former being a fat lesbian with weird habits, the latter a chain smoker with the voice to prove it."

And these traits are somehow mutually exclusive?

Truth said...

"Hence the ludicrous personal attacks* because you can't handle the truth."

Yeah, but you being an imbecile doesn't hurt.

Svigor said...

In retrospect, I believe the KKK thing was just code for racist white folks, but he clearly felt the need to "Dress for Success."

I can sympathize with that. I would not want to be a mulatto in a job that involved prowling about on people's property in the middle of the night like that. Hell, I'm white and I wouldn't want to do that. Old people can be pretty bad on house calls - confused, scared, and armed. Wouldn't want to have to wake them up at 3am.

My guess is no, there has not. That's a big claim but I think the unique X factor is a culturally hostile mass media. Young women in previous times had to consult their friends and relatives to find out who was friend or foe, deadly dangerous or merely interesting. Those close friends and relatives had no wish to steer such young women into danger and would have been severely punished socially and even legally if they did and things went badly. But today no Hollywood producer or New York magazine editor gets in trouble for telling millions of young women and girls "out there" somewhere that they should feel deeply ashamed for fearing the thug in the hoodie.

TV is like global thermonuclear war on a cultural level, 24/7/365. It's a disaster.

I think in the comments it becomes pretty clear that the OP doesn't really have the "dilemma" and is just trying to get a rise out of the board. She has a ready response to every stupid liberal response, which indicates she's thought about the issue too much to be as naive as she pretends. I wouldn't be surprised if she was a reader of this blog.

Muhahaha! Now I kinda want to go read it.

I wonder if Whisky has ever encountered the term "idée fixe."

Lol

Blacks don't help the gun control lobby much

But black crime is taboo, but still goes into the totals, so yeah, they really kinda do help the bitter grabbers. Kinda their raison d'etre, even.

AND the SWPL posters are willing to throw her to the dogs rather than offer her advice that might save her life.
Cultural marxism is true insanity.


Bah, what's one life next to their status displays?

Anonymous said...

One reason why Blacks figure so large in White women's psyches is the big physical differences between Blacks and Whites

A lot of us are still waiting for you to reconcile this with the fact that 97% of married white women are married to white men.

Slampo said...

You funny, Steve-o.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Whisky has ever encountered the term "idée fixe"


If you look up "idée fixe" in the dictionary, it says: "'See entry for 'Whiskey'".

Anonymous said...

"Pretty sure I meant Drexel. Go three blocks in any direction and you're just begging for a problem.

Remember, Philly was the city where some guy called out a woman for her crying kid and she called her baby daddy, who showed up with an assault rifle and dumped a magazine into the bus.
"

I live in Philly, and it's pretty obvious you don't. 3 blocks from Drexel in any direction gets you another upscale college, a river, a train station filled with businessmen, and a commercial district. Temple is the Philly college where 3 blocks off campus gets you to the ghetto, but I'm sure you already knew that, being such a street smart type.

Kylie said...

Baloo said..."Ah! — 'Dial M for Moto,' eh?"

Lol! Yes, if you're in search of either the Mask of Dimitrios or the Maltese Falcon.

rob said...

Oh, the Urban baby mamma (that sounds kinda wrong here) is not at BU. There are occassional muggings involving white "Southies."

Hacienda said...

John Mayer, noted ladies man, Alpha Male

------------------------

John Mayer is Alpha?

Whiskey, I got a secret for you.
Real Alphas don't have to be ladies men, because they get over womanizing at a very young age.
Your version is always overcompensating. That's not real Alpha.

Tolstoy, Andrew Wiles, Maxwell, Einstein, Bernie Russell.

Now those are Alphas.

I'd throw in a bunch of Asian names, but you're too thick.

Beagle Juice said...

Yes, the "Search for Survival" was an excellent addition.

Anonymous said...

The prime failing of blacks in terms of running a society is that they can not bear to discipline their own. They have no heart or stomach to deal with those of their fellow tribe (in Africa, literally their own tribe, and here any other Negroes) who commit violent or destructive acts.

Anonymous said...

Do very many whites really find blacks to be cool or interesting? Polite laughter and feigned interest are common, but genuine admiration of blacks and black culture is hard to come by.

NOTA said...

Hacienda:

Yeah, yeah, so they did great things in math and science and philosophy and literature, but how were/are they at picking up skanky girls in bars?

OTOH, I think Feynman had some success in both arenas.

Anonymous said...

"*Mayer was famous for saying he has a "hood pass" even though his member was "a member of the KKK." Because he's ... John Mayer, noted ladies man, Alpha Male, there was no comeback the way there would be for say, someone like John Cryer. There's a whole bunch of Alpha Male White guys who get passes from culture because they're Alpha, saying things that would be hounded as "racist" by a non-Alpha White guy."

Are you kidding? Black people were all over Mayer for that comment. They can't stand the guy or his cheeseball music. Go to a website black people frequent and you'll find that the white guys they actually like are people like Michael Fassbender-- hypermasculine dudes who actually have a history of dating black women.

MaMu1977 said...

First things first: Rape, as a tangible crime, is becoming next to meaningless. There's a young, black basketball player who's going to be added to a sex offenders registry (with "rapist" attached to his name) because two drunk college students said that (ahem) "A black guy reached from behind me and put his hands in my pants." Then, you get to deal with cases like Brian Banks, a man who was convicted of rape despite

A lack of physical evidence
A timeframe that didn't match the accuser's own account
A lack of witnesses (to be clear, the accuser claimed that Banks dragged her across a school. There was no video evidence or eyewitness evidence of this assault, despite the fact that the school was full of students and that the classroom walls are glass from the waist up
A story that changed details as soon as new evidence came into play (he dragged her outside of the building, then he dragged her inside of the building after the video footage proved the first account false, then he dragged her to one stairwell, then the stairwell position changed when the first stairwell proved to be in an open area, then he dragged her across the floor when the *new* stairwell was discovered to be in the aforementioned "glass wall" area, then she realised that he *didn't* rip off her pants before dragging her across an entire building, then he *did* use a condom when her rape kit tested negative for semen, then he *didn't* actually enter her when he tested negative for latex exposure...)

I could also talk about the various courts martial that I've witnessed.
Guy accused of rape, accuser had bruises and tearing, guy used his plane ticket, hotel and dinner receipts to prove that he was in a different country
Guy accused of rape, gets his charge dropped after he offers up his video recording of events
Girl accused guy of rape, changes the date of attack from early May to late March to late January. The accused, of course, had been in Afghanistan since the week after Thanksgiving. In addition, her medical reports revealed the true source of her bruises, as if anyone believed that bruises would last for six months
The girl who said that she was raped by a guy with a massive arm tattoo, yet managed to somehow finger the one observant Jew on the base as her attacker (tattoos are forbidden in Hebrew culture, for those of you who don't know)

Add in the fact that the people who are making and altering rape laws are the type of people who believe that "lascivious staring" is a form of sexual assault, the type of people who think that "19 year old guy plus 17 year old girl = statuotory rape" and "44 year old woman + 12 year old boy= 'He was a *mature 12!", who believe that prostitution is rape, that men in relationships who attempt to seduce their female SOs are rapists, that men who *beg* their female SOs for sex are using *intimidation tactics* to rape, and "rape" becomes nebulous. As is, "rape" is now "any form of sexual attention that I don't like or explicitly want". Hell, bums in the street who yell, "Nice ass, babydoll!", are given the same level of scorn as Ted Bundy or Philip Markham! And you're going to use, "Well, black men are accused and convicted of rape 8.5 times as often as white men!", as an argument? When almost 70% of the men who are exonerated by the Innocence Project are black? GTFOOH...

sunbeam said...

Anonymous said:

"Are you kidding? Black people were all over Mayer for that comment. They can't stand the guy or his cheeseball music. Go to a website black people frequent and you'll find that the white guys they actually like are people like Michael Fassbender-- hypermasculine dudes who actually have a history of dating black women. "

I've never heard of either of those people. It's only a guess but I would think most black people wouldn't draw a blank on those names. I looked on wiki for Mayer, apparently he plays blues now. How many black people still listen to that?

As for Fassbender, I really don't know anything about him. Would any of his movies be of interest to black people?

Anonymous said...

Steve,
I believe the comments at Urban Baby are examples of herding trolls/discouragement trolls. Im very cynical when it comes to the methods lefties will stoop to to keep acceptable boundaries on the groupthink opinions the most cohesive subsets of them have worked so hard to cultivate amongst the rest of the left (sheeple or useful follower types who simply want to have the non verbotten opinions).

Fernandinande said...

Don't those shoes get caught in their lawnmowers?

Anonymous said...

Brian Banks was accused by this woman. I'm sure the commenter would have preferred if she had been Bristol Palin.

I gotta feeling the Innocence Project wishes that all the people it cleared were black men - accused of raping white women. Shouldn't the Innocence Project be clearing 8.5 times more black than white men - I'm sure it isn't due to a lack of effort.

Anonymous said...

A way of getting a lot of hispanics to move back is to require high school for construcation work, this only leaves the service jobs and there are so many. I notice than manufactoring in the States now requires high school and sometimes jr college making construcation also do assemblyine with more machines might get employers to up education. In Santa Ana where all the factory work about 20 years ago was done by Mexicans that were immirgants now in one plant it was done mainly by blacks since they required high school and a jr college education. This will lead to self-deport.

Anonymous said...

Hey Rob, like the three brothers robbing coeds at the beginning of this school year?

"Southies"?! I've lived withing 30 miles of downtown Boston my whole life, including 7 years in Brighton near the Fidelis Way Projects, and I've NEVER heard that term. Sounds like someone got his ass beat for wandering out of the South End in the wrong direction.

RE: frat boys. My school had thrown the fraternities off campus before my matriculation, so I was an honorary brother at my friend's house at a Little Ivy. What went on at every party would definitely be called date rape today. This was back when the drinking age was 18, and the campus was full of freshman girls, studious valedictorian types who really never partied in high school, who thought it would be cool to go to a fraternity party with their new girlfriends from the dorm. A couple cups of Grape 'N Grain, a few hits of nitrous oxide (world-renowned dental school) and it wasn't long before these tender virgins were face down in some brother's room.

Anonymous said...

Some notes on the Innocence Project from Wikipedia:

70 percent exonerated are a part of minority groups.[9]
40 percent of these DNA cases were able to find the actual person who committed the crime.[9]

No mention of the group affiliation percentage of the 40 percent actual criminals. Sorry for noticing.

Anonymous said...

"19 year old guy plus 17 year old girl = statuotory rape"

What's wrong with that, if that's what the state's statute says? Gotta draw the line somewhere, or do you disagree?

NOTA said...

MaMu:

The criminal justice system is noisy and messy and screwed up in various ways, but it is probably the best source of data we have on what really happened in some case. There are clearly cases where someone innocent gets railroaded, and I very much wish that either the party of civil liberties or the party of limited government were at least a little concerned with prosecutorial misconduct as a major issue. But there aren't many votes to be had there, and our ruling class are mostly sociopaths who would sell their grandmothers as dogfood to get power, so don't hold your breath.

In the meantime, there is a lot of supporting data to suggest that the black/white crime rate is skewed in much the same way it looks to be skewed:

a. Self-report data from crime victims on the race of their attackers agrees pretty well with conviction data. This also indicates that a lot of rape goes unreported, probably because it's often obviously going to come down to her word vs his with no evidence either way.

b. Murders and other crimes happen mostly within races--blacks usually murder blacks, whites usually murder whites. And the rate of being murdered is also much higher for blacks than for whites.

c. One of the main causes of wrongful conviction is apparently witnesses misidentifying someone. Blacks are much more often victims of this than whites, because white witnesses have a harder time telling blacks apart. (This was in that big report from the innocence project awhile back.). In those cases, they may convict the wrong man, but not a member of the wrong race.

Anonymous said...

"lascivious staring" is a form of sexual assault,..."

It probably is harassment, if not assault, but it is probably criminally unenforceable. I know of guys who have been reprimanded for it at work.

Staring does communicate something, try it with the neighbor's German Shepard.

Hacienda said...

but how were/are they at picking up skanky girls in bars?

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They were all terrific at it I'm sure at some point in their lives.
Gods get women. Boys do too. And even skanks can tell the difference.


Anonymous said...

Speaking of signaling in black culture, nerd glasses/the nerd look generally are very much in among NBA stars right now . It's like I'm so cool and sophisticated I can look actively anti-thuggish (although all the tatts are still popular). I've always found that successful blacks dress better than successful whites, and there is no equivalent in black culture to the slobbish dressing down common among old-money Northeastern WASPS to trust-fund hipsters wearing trucker caps. I guess when your community is really beaten down you don't want to look fake beaten down.

Also, I know plenty of urban white liberals and rarely see any lack of realism about the high crime rates among urban blacks and what it means for where you live, etc. But the issue is that although the great majority of street criminals in certain urban areas may be black, the great majority of blacks in those urban areas are not street criminals, and it is obnoxious to assume they are. That is the second step not taken by your classic racist.

Anonymous said...

"But the issue is that although the great majority of street criminals in certain urban areas may be black, the great majority of blacks in those urban areas are not street criminals, and it is obnoxious to assume they are. That is the second step not taken by your classic racist."

It is very mean of you to use the term "racist" if you don't share the urban liberal secret method of distinguishing the good from the bad - please treat me like an idiot - be very specific.

Anonymous said...

@ 11:06 AM
The "great majority of blacks in urban areas are not street criminals" .
Tell that to Jesse Jackson who said half of black men in his city have criminal records. He was trying to get employers to disregard criminal pasts in hiring.

Anonymous said...

"But the issue is that although the great majority of street criminals in certain urban areas may be black, the great majority of blacks in those urban areas are not street criminals, and it is obnoxious to assume they are. That is the second step not taken by your classic racist."

Even if that's true, civilization requires more than just a modern police force. It requires the bulk of society to have a civil inclination. Is it fair to have to spend 10 times the money on law enforcement, courts and prisons to cope with the order of magnitude increase in crime associated with blacks, just so that we can avoid being called "RACISS!"? Why should we have to bear the costs to babysit savages? Why should we have to deal with drops in property values brought about by the lack of legal permission to exclude those peoples with an associated high crime rate from our suburbs, towns and cities?

Truth said...

"Tell that to Jesse Jackson who said half of black men in his city have criminal records. He was trying to get employers to disregard criminal pasts in hiring."

He never said that half of the black men in Chicago had criminal records, and about half the people in jail in America on criminal charges are there for possession, anyway.

Dr Van Nostrand said...

"The 'fratboy' retort to black rape fears has been around for more than thirty years. It's a trope created by people who make movies and tv shows, and was amplified by lesbian feminists in the eighties with their date-rape propaganda.

Fratboys are almost never criminals. What they are, as apex-SMV males in college, is arrogant assholes, which is not a crime and is very sexy -- though also resentment-generating in mediocre-SMV women who didn't rate as their girlfriend material back in college."

Worked in off-campus housing in a college town for some years and saw this up close. Frat boys are indeed assholes. I was therefore surprised to learn from my street buddies that they were very fond of frat boys. The frat boys would hand out leftover food from the frat house kitchens, put their empties where the street people could collect them and get the deposit and even put new-in-the-package items of household goods and clothing on the very top of the dumpster trash so the street guys could retrieve the clean blankets, shower curtains and clothes without having to dumpster dive.

The guys took me on their frat route early one morning so I could see it first-hand. All the frat houses did this, not just some. Very illuminating.

The non-frat guys ("independents" they used to be call, IIRC) would make a big show of going to where the street people hung out and buying one a burger or handing out a few cigarettes. That was about it, though. And I know from cleaning out their vacated apartments that they had plenty of household goods, food, clothing etc. they could have passed out had they wanted to. But they didn't. They just wanted to make a real liberal showing of how compassionate they were."

Ive noticed something similar-fratboys usually behave like cretins only when they are intoxicated-but then dont a lot of people?

They are actually do abide by a code of conduct as espoused by their particular fraternity.I think they are more likely to d-bags when in the presence of sorority girls.

I remember when I was in an all boys high school , we had far fewer fights than the guys at the coed school a couple of miles away.

Too many women operate under the delusion that sans their graceful touch we would retreat to a Lord of the Flies type of existence!

To be sure we were neater and better srubbed when amongst females but also more aggressive!

Anonymous said...

" I've always found that successful blacks dress better than successful whites...I guess when your community is really beaten down you don't want to look fake beaten down."

Ostentatious visual display among males is an r-type behaviour.

Multiple baby-daddys spend almost all their money on their physical appearance and almost nothing on their kids.

(Also a good example of anti-white racism disguised as anti-racism.)

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"Also, I know plenty of urban white liberals and rarely see any lack of realism about the high crime rates among urban blacks and what it means for where you live, etc."

Obviously not.

In terms of their own lives and their kid's schools they are hyper-realistic hence why urban liberals live as far away from diversity as they can afford.

However at the same time their political coalition requires them to lie about the black crime rate in public, attack anyone who tells the truth and push integration and the much higher violent crime rate onto *other* people.

This makes them accessories to murder imo.

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"b. Murders and other crimes happen mostly within races--blacks usually murder blacks, whites usually murder whites."

Only because of segregation. The sort of people who commit most non-domestic homicides will tend to attack people who are the least like them in their vicinity.

If you have a mixed area then gangsta types (of whatever ethnicity) will mostly attack people of another ethnicity. That's why mixed areas generally become mono-ethnic eventually with whichever ethnic group is taking the most casualties being the group that moves away.

Once an area is mono-ethnic gangsta types will still attack people who are least like them but within their own ethnic group e.g. people who look like Spike Lee.

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"And the rate of being murdered is also much higher for blacks than for whites."

Because the black murder rate is so much higher.

Talking about the disproportionate black victims but not the disproportionate black perpetrators is part of the smokescreen that prevents the problem being fixed and makes the people who do it accessory to murder.

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"One reason why Blacks figure so large in White women's psyches is the big physical differences between Blacks and Whites."

Whiskey, Are Jewish women White?

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"In fact, it was kind of expected for the _man_ to cross the street to signal to the woman that he meant no harm."

I've always done that. I don't have a problem with it.

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"but because while you can assault or kill someone to put food on your table, nobody commits rape to survive"

Rape is an r-type reproduction strategy e.g. the Congo.

Anonymous said...

Hi, Steve. I am the author of the original UrbanBaby post and, yes, a longtime reader of this blog. (I'm also female and Jewish, so I'm probably not *quite* the person you'd picture.) The campus I referred to? Columbia University. I've been getting these security-alert emails for years and have always wanted to know how a "liberal" - in particular, a security-conscious liberal female - would explain them away in race-blind terms.

guest007 said...

Steve

I do not know if you read the comments on old posts but I thought you would like this story on NPR from January 8, 2012 demonstrates how the elite see blacks and Hispanics.


http://www.marketplace.org/topics/wealth-poverty/sing-song-walmart-pro-or-con

"I stumbled on a song covering a rowdy union rally last year outside a Walmart store at the Crenshaw Mall in South L.A. It was a corrido, based on a popular Mexican ballad, by Latino warehouse worker Jesus Aguire (a fellow-musician, Humberto Medina, co-wrote the song). The lyrics speak of leaving one’s homeland only to be abused working in the U.S. Aguire is a worker at the Schneider Logistics warehouse that is the subject of the federal class-action lawsuit.

Here’s something a bit hipper: L.A. hip-hop artist Phillip Meza took the makeshift stage at the same rally. He’s a former Walmart employee now helping to organize for the worker-group OUR Walmart."