March 14, 2013

New Pope is dual citizen of Italy and Argentina

Hispanic Pope
(plus actor Jeffrey Tambor, who is neither Hispanic nor Pope)
One of five children, Bergoglio was born on Dec. 17, 1936 in Buenos Aires, the son of Italian immigrants from Turin. He holds citizenship in both Argentina and Italy -- a fact that qualified [probably something like "helped" would be a better translation] him as a papal candidate. While his home is Latin America, Bergoglio is also at home in Europe. A man of the world church, his humility and modesty are said to be admired by other cardinals. 
Bergoglio studied chemical engineering before he went to seminary and joined the Jesuit order. He taught philosophy, psychology and literature courses, and became a priest in 1969, going on to lead Argentina's Jesuit province. In 1985, his doctoral studies brought him to a seminary in Frankfurt, which is why he now speaks German. In 1998, Pope John Paul II named him archbishop of Buenos Aires, and in 2005 he became the head of Argentina's bishops' conference. He enjoys cooking, opera, Greek classics, Shakespeare, Dostoyevsky and swimming.

Italians care a lot about having the Pope be Italian.

White Hispanic

50 comments:

anony-mouse said...

Its hard to tell them apart. I suppose Tambor's the one with the yarmulke.

Anonymous said...

You think it's possible any of these last several popes aren't gay? Just asking. Yes,

Yeah, certain cultural practices of many groups like the Irish, Italians, Polish, etc. and even their American descended families etc. are such that parents believe that if one of their sons goes into the priesthood or a daughter into the sisterhood, the mother's and father's chances of entering heaven increase exponentially. I've a good friend from a large St. Louis Irish family whose mother absolutely believe that.

Still, hard for me to believe these men aren't asexual or homosexual. If they are homosexual, it's even harder to believe they abstained from sexual activity.

Anonymous said...

Looks like the guy in MARRIED WITH CHILDREN.

larry sanders said...

HEY NOW...

Anon said...

He looks like Jonathan Pryce.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Jonathan+pryce&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.43287494,d.eWU&biw=1280&bih=699&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=ZkNCUaiXG_G04AOb2oCAAg

Anonymous said...

So he is both Italian and a South American?

DAMN!!

Anonymous said...

Plus now he has citizenship in Vatican City!

A trifecta!

Londoner said...

Zimmerman has a Hateface.

Dan said...

A lot of people were upset to learn that he is Catholic.

Luckily, by the time he departs, Obama should be a free agent.

Anonymous said...

Italians care a lot about having the Pope be Italian.

That may have been part of the motivation for the Reformation. Germans and others getting tired of being told what to think by Italians.

Anonymous said...

Argentina is the equivalent of a Southern European Australia or USA - a colony largely free of mestizos or blacks. Or at least, Australia and the USA as it used to be.

From what I can tell, the black percentage is less than 2.5%, and 8-15% mestizo, with only 3% being predominantly Amerindian.

Calling Pope Francis "Hispanic" is like calling Paul Hogan aboriginal just because he comes from Australia.

Anonymous said...

"Looks like the guy in MARRIED WITH CHILDREN."

No, he looks like the dad in "Everybody Loves Raymond".

I recall the same actor played in "Young Frankenstein". My girlfriend's favorite line in that movie was, "Wuf!".

Yes, so we have gay Jews in Hollywood and gay Christians in the Vatican. The former are the PC-whippers and the latter are the PC-whipped.

I have been estimating the new pontiff's fWHR and comparing it with the White Hispanic. I think he may be one of us.

SFG said...

"That may have been part of the motivation for the Reformation. Germans and others getting tired of being told what to think by Italians."

Nationalism plays a bigger part in these things than anyone wants to admit--why else would Hus be a national hero?

Hey, Martin Luther was a great German--steadfast, principled, anti-Semitic, and obsessed with Scheisse. ;)

Anonymous said...

Bergoglio studied chemical engineering before he went to seminary and joined the Jesuit order. He taught philosophy, psychology and literature courses, and became a priest in 1969, going on to lead Argentina's Jesuit province.


He has a seriously high IQ, in other words.


hard for me to believe these men aren't asexual or homosexual

That's because you're a porn junkie.

Anonymous said...

I'm so happy that we finally have a vibrant Person of Color as pope. Down with white privilege!

Anonymous said...

He has a seriously high IQ, in other words.

Not likely to be as bright as Benedict:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/342029/helping-us-turn-around-interview
(...)
LOPEZ: How do you think history will remember Pope Benedict XVI?


FR. SCHALL: It will remember him as the greatest and most learned intellect ever to occupy the Chair of Peter. No public official in our time has been anywhere near his intellectual equal. This disparity is itself the cause of much disorder, if we grant, as we must, that truth is the essence of intellect and indeed order. In reading Benedict, I have always been struck by how familiar he is not just with the Old and New Testaments (in their original languages) but with his constant referring to the Fathers of the Church, especially Augustine, and the intellectual popes like Gregory the Great and Leo the Great, and also Irenaeus, Basil, Maximius, Origen, Bonaventure, and I do not know them all. He knows German philosophy well, and always cites Plato. He is at home with all the Marxist philosophers. Indeed, in Spe Salvi, he cited two of the most famous ones as witness to the logical need of a resurrection of the body. Benedict is a member of one of the French academies. No one has really begun to do his homework on what this pope has thought his way through. The media and most universities are, basically, hopeless. I suspect his final opera omni in a critical German edition will equal in length that of Augustine, Aquinas, and Bonaventure.

(...)

Glossy said...

Still, hard for me to believe these men aren't asexual or homosexual.

There's so much cluelessness online. Let's look at the evidence: chemical engineering, plus lots of scholarly interests that have nothing to do with his job (the Greek classics weren't even written by Christians). The man is clearly an autosexual, aka a nerd. As was the previous pope.

Does anyone know why 100 years ago northern Italians tended to emigrate to Argentina, but southern Italians to the US? Notice that there have been no mafia movies set in Buenos Aires.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Martin Luther was a great German--steadfast, principled, anti-Semitic, and obsessed with Scheisse. ;)

Martin Luther would have a heart attack if he could see what Protestantism has become.

Anonymous said...

Dead ringer for Jack MacBreyer.

Thank you Anon. Finally someone who can recognize human resemblances.

Douglas Knight said...

qualified [probably something like "helped" would be a better translation] him as a papal candidate

I think Der Spiegel is pretty precise with English, but if you think that's a translation error, look at the original: "Bis heute hat Bergoglio nicht nur die argentinische, sondern auch die italienische Staatsangehörigkeit - eine Tatsache, die ihn für die Wahl zum Papst qualifizierte."

Anonymous said...

Good to see cardinal Jonathan Pryce got promoted to Pope after his bang up work keeping the Jesus gospel from getting out in Stigmata.

Dahlia said...

Anonymous Dan said...

A lot of people were upset to learn that he is Catholic.
________________

Yes, Half Sigma was quite prescient with his prediction that the next pope would be Catholic. Many pundits and opinion writers, on the other hand, were shocked and outraged.

Anonymous said...

Black Labour MP makes a fool of himself: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21764636

Oh dear. Someone's been over-promoted!

AWC said...

Some people beat you to the punchline this time:

http://occamsrazormag.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/msm-disappointed-white-guy-chosen-as-pope/

But then again it's your punchline :)

Anonymous said...

Argentina is full of Southern Italians descendents. In Naples there was the "guappo" icon, which is present also in Buenos Aires (the tango uses that icon extensively). The fact that Italians didn't turn into mobsters in Argentina was because the local policy have tended to consider them as full whites and not as second class whites as the segregationist did in the US. So there wasn't the need to them to turn into delinquency to improve their life quality.

Anonymous said...

"Does anyone know why 100 years ago northern Italians tended to emigrate to Argentina, but southern Italians to the US? Notice that there have been no mafia movies set in Buenos Aires."

Plenty of southern Italians in Argentina. It's a country vs. city thing, not a USA vs. Argentina thing. Southern Italians tended to migrate to the cities, northern Italians to the country. Hence northern Italians are more invisible in the USA. Argentina didn't have the industry that the USA had, but it did have the agricultural assets. And who's going to notice the mafia in a Latin American country whose government is completely corrupt anyway. They don't stick out like the mafia did in pre-1965 USA. Plus you had no Prohibition to give them a license to print money.

Anonymous said...

"There's so much cluelessness online. Let's look at the evidence: chemical engineering, plus lots of scholarly interests that have nothing to do with his job (the Greek classics weren't even written by Christians). The man is clearly an autosexual, aka a nerd. As was the previous pope."

So, in other words, a guy who is good in math/science and who entered a field which demanded a vow of chastity is cleary "autosexual."

Hmm. That's news to most of the researchers who've studied homosexuality for the last several decades since so many are homosexual. I must tell them that their math/science bent indicates "autosexuality."

Anonymous said...

Hilarious that many of the prog news and radio stations say, "This man has a history of interest in the poor." They seem to think a Roman Catholic priest or nun interested in helping the poor is about ready to support abortion and gay marriage. What idiots.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know why 100 years ago northern Italians tended to emigrate to Argentina, but southern Italians to the US? Notice that there have been no mafia movies set in Buenos Aires.

No, I don't know, but in 1904, my paternal grandparents came to the US from Naples with two kids out of the eventual 9 they would have.

My paternal grandfather's parents left for Argentina a few years before he came to the US with his wife and two kids. He hadn't want to go with them to Buenos Aires.

Glossy said...

"That's news to most of the researchers who've studied homosexuality for the last several decades since so many are homosexual. I must tell them that their math/science bent indicates "autosexuality."

You can tell them that all you want, but it's not going to make it true. "Social science" isn't science. An interest in it does not make one a nerd. I'm kind of shocked anyone would try to compare it to chemical engineering or the classics. The latter isn't science either, sure, but at least it's smart.

Anonymous said...

That's news to most of the researchers who've studied homosexuality for the last several decades since so many are homosexual. I must tell them that their math/science bent indicates "autosexuality."

You can tell them that all you want, but it's not going to make it true. "Social science" isn't science. An interest in it does not make one a nerd. I'm kind of shocked anyone would try to compare it to chemical engineering or the classics. The latter isn't science either, sure, but at least it's smart.

I was speaking of people like Simon Levay, you know, a neurobiologist? Or Hamer, a geneticist. I'm not saying their work is definitive on the subject, but it appears their degrees do qualify them as hard science people.

I guess your argument is that a math/science person who is not a practicing heterosexual is unlikely to be homosexual?

Anonymous said...

"..the local policy tended to consider them as full whites and not as second class whites as the segregationist did in the US."

Italians were forced to attend segregated schools and sit at the back of the bus? That's news to me.

Hmm,, sounds like Nick Diaz undercover here..? Or maybe not.

It probably had a lot more to do with the fact that Argentina was about 100% Roman Catholic, had a much larger share of Italians in proportional terms and the Argentinians never engaged in the incredibly stupid policy of prohibition, which as far as the mafia was concerned was a gift from god.

Auntie Analogue said...


Except for shape of nose, Pope Francis also looks like the older Adolf Eichmann.

Innumberable bespectacled bald men resemble one another.

Glossy said...

"I guess your argument is that a math/science person who is not a practicing heterosexual is unlikely to be homosexual?"

Human beings in general are unlikely to be homosexual. 3%, or whatever it is, is low. A person who's interested in STEM and scholarly subjects and isn't a practicing heterosexual is much more likely to be incel than gay. I think that agrees with public stereotypes.

Anthony said...

So is Jeffrey Tambor the new Anthony Quinn?

Sideways said...

" Yes, Half Sigma was quite prescient with his prediction that the next pope would be Catholic"

Excellent.

Peter the Shark said...

Does anyone know why 100 years ago northern Italians tended to emigrate to Argentina, but southern Italians to the US?

In 1900 you could have made a good case that Argentina was a better bet for an Italian than the US. The standard of living in Argentina at the time was not much worse than the US, indeed Argentina was certainly among the 15 richest countries in the world if not in the top 10. The language is obviously much easier for an Italian to master than English, the climate is better, and there was no anti-Catholic sentiment. A better question is why didn't even more Italians go to Argentina instead of the US? The downside was probably that Argentina back then offered opportunities in agriculture and skilled construction and building, but the US had a lot more industrial jobs. That might imply that less skilled and lower IQ Italians were more likely to find opportunities in the US.

Londoner said...

This Argie troll is beyond belief. Sicilian and S. Italian immigrants in the USA were mobsters because they had been mobsters in Sicily and S. Italy and that is absolutely all there is to it. The migration to the US was a business opportunity.

'we were simple lemon farmers but the WASPs forced us into organised crime!' yeah right, amigo.

And you aren't getting the Falklands either.

Yuri said...

"Does anyone know why 100 years ago northern Italians tended to emigrate to Argentina, but southern Italians to the US? Notice that there have been no mafia movies set in Buenos Aires"


I'm from South America and I realized that... Argentina WAS Italy, so they have italians of all origins.

But in countries like Brazil, with less but significant Italian imigration, you see how different they are compared with the Italian-Americans. If you ask the Italian-descent families of Southern Brazil, 80% will say they come from Northern Italy.

arnhote said...

"Argentina thing. Southern Italians tended to migrate to the cities, northern Italians to the country. Hence northern Italians are more invisible in the USA. "

Tur. I know of a number of people of Itlian lineage whose parents, grandparents or gr-grandparents, owned or whose families lived on farms, usually in upper state NY, Ohio, or Pennsylvania.
The Irish -- almost all rural in Ireland -- rarely looked for farming in the new world. They went to cities even more exclusively than the Italians.

Anonymous said...

"The fact that Italians didn't turn into mobsters in Argentina was because the local policy have tended to consider them as full whites and not as second class whites as the segregationist did in the US."

What BS. All poor immigrants were at the bottom of the social pile. There were no great privileges for my "full white" Danish and Norwegian immigrant ancestors. They had the same crap jobs Italians had.

Anonymous said...

Notice that there have been no mafia movies set in Buenos Aires

Organized crime out of Italy most certainly found a home in Argentina--except that down there it is a spin-off/franchise of the 'Ndrangheta based in the Calabria region (the toe of the Italian boot), rather than the US mob, which of course originates out of the Sicilian Cosa Nostra. Different traditions, terms, etc., so a "mafia" movie with all the usual Hollywood cliches taking place in BA would look anachronistic.

Anonymous said...

Likes opera? Either Italian or gay... or both! Seriously, Jesuit ordained in the 1960s? Either he will be a disaster or he is super-conservative.

Anonymous said...

I think 'white' just means 'evil'.

So the black guy who killed the gay black guy in the South should be called a white black guy.

I wonder to what extent journalists are doing stuff like this on their own or being ordered from above.
And even if they're doing it on their own, is it out of conviction or to be promoted for being PC?

Anonymous said...

"The fact that Italians didn't turn into mobsters in Argentina was because the local policy have tended to consider them as full whites and not as second class whites as the segregationist did in the US."

I think it was because you didn't have to turn to organized crime to succeed as a criminal in Latin American nations. I mean EVERYTHING is criminal one way or another.

In relatively cleaner Anglo-America, you really had to be a criminal to profit from crime.

PS.

Btw, why were Sicilians mobsters in Sicily? No Anglos to deny them rights there.

Dutch Boy said...

Relax secularists. Pope Francis was a standard modern Catholic bishop, mixing orthodoxy with modernism, big on ecumenism and good relations with the Church's "elder brothers" (the Scots-Irish in yarmulkes)to the point of participating in Passover seders, big on condemning abortion and divorce without sanctioning the politicians who voted them in, etc., ad nauseam. Palabras, nada mas!

Anonymous said...

"Human beings in general are unlikely to be homosexual. 3%, or whatever it is, is low. A person who's interested in STEM and scholarly subjects and isn't a practicing heterosexual is much more likely to be incel than gay. I think that agrees with public stereotypes."

Uh, how familiar are you with those who become priests in the RC church? Yes, even the scholars?

Yuri said...

I found a source: in Southern Brazil, at least 98,5% of the Italian imigrants were from Northern Italy:

54% Veneto
33% Lombardia
7% Friuli
4,5% Trento
1,5% Others

(In Portuguese: http://www.aism.com.br/site/areadinamica/32/10/circolo-veneto.html)

Anonymous said...

According to Wikipedia, Argentina is 86.4 percent European and 3.3 percent Arab (89.7% total). It is 6.5 percent Mestizo and 3.4 percent Indian (9.9% total) with 0.4 percent other. That would square with Argentine athletes, actors, and historical figures I have seen. Every Argentine athlete I have noticed from soccer, basketball, tennis, boxing, and golf looks European, with the exception of one boxer, Carlos Baldomir, who looks mostly Mestizo or even entirely Indian. Even Maradona who people claim is not European, looks like a very short Mediterranean guy to me, maybe a small percentage of Indian, but he has a pretty noticeable facial hair as well as curly hair on his scalp, so it can't be that much. The poster on the previous article who claims 40 percent is talking out of his hat I think.

Dr Van Nostrand said...


And you aren't getting the Falklands either."

Isnt it amazing that the same folks who stand so steadfastly against the Reconquista be it in the Northern or Southern hemisphere somehow cast their aspersions aside when it comes to the Palestinian plans of reconquista and support it so wholeheartedly?
Needless to say, no answer is required.