March 11, 2013

Obama Administration on interracial and intraracial homicides

With gun violence much in the news (e.g., 13 people were wounded early this morning in D.C. near where Matthew Yglesias got stomped in a racial hate crime a couple of years ago), here's a graph from the 2011 report Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008 by the Obama Administration’s Bureau of Justice Statistics
Note: crime is of course the one area where the feds lump Hispanics in with whites, so the white numbers are increasingly made up of Hispanics as the graph moves from 1980 to 2008.

45 comments:

Anonymous said...

So, hispanics are free of 'white guilt' when it comes to receiving goodies and favors from the government.

But whites must bear the burden of brown violence when it comes to tallying up crime stats.

Anonymous said...

Funny, that. They lump Hispanics in with whites because the crime rates are so comparable. What's an order of magnitude between friends?

Rob Good said...

I live 40 miles north of DC in downtown Baltimore. Those murder stats look about right. The occasional white on white murder in the suburbs makes the news, all the way through trials. The black on black victims and perpetrators disappear into anonymity. The Baltimore Sun provides a sanitized account of crime. It was left to the "alternative". city Pages to provide an actual count of murders called Murder Inc

Anonymous said...

There are far more suicides per year than murders. Yet suicide doesn't get near the publicity of homicide. Once you eliminate the category, of questionable significance -Alaska Native/Native American - it seems whitey has a commanding lead, far ahead of Asians, at least in America. Shouldn't it be common knowledge that suicide hits Whites the hardest, or does the matter suffer from non-narrative-ness?

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/suicide/statistics/rates02.html

Anon87 said...

What happened around 1988 to flip the BoB and WoW curves??

Steve Sailer said...

"What happened around 1988 to flip the BoB and WoW curves??"

Crack.

Truth said...

Come on, Steve, you know the rules! There is no race, in HBD, known as
"Hispanic", so if the Mess-kins are not black they must be whites or Asians, which one are they?

Anononymous said...

This chart proves that murderers are racist. We need to close the 'murder gap'.

Anonymous said...

"here are far more suicides per year than murders. Yet suicide doesn't get near the publicity of homicide. Once you eliminate the category, of questionable significance -Alaska Native/Native American - it seems whitey has a commanding lead, far ahead of Asians, at least in America. Shouldn't it be common knowledge that suicide hits Whites the hardest, or does the matter suffer from non-narrative-ness?"

Do you want to live in a white middle class neighborhood with a higher suicide rate or a black gang infested neighborhood with a higher murder rate?

Anononymous said...

So, if we were to eliminate all race-hatred, bigotry and prejudice from humanity, we would only see a paltry 10% reduction in murder? Many murders are actually blood relatives and spouses.

Thomas O. Meehan said...

Steve Bureau of Justice victimization Stat's do capture more crime than does the FBI's Uniform Crime Stat's but there is an important caveat. The researchers who gather the data are bound to accept both the self report of the victims race, and the victims perception of the perpetrators race.

I was involved in collecting some of this data and found that many Hispanics self identify as white.

jody said...

"Crack."

but we don't have crack now. so if it were crack, the rates should have changed back. note this means the drug war is working, contrary to the legions of libertarians who claim that "the drug war is a waste of time".

what probably happened is the violent crime rate of europeans began to drop as they began to have less and less kids starting in the 1960s.

this is affecting everything and touches every aspect of life in the US, not just the violent crime rate. there's less europeans everywhere in every field, simple crime statistics aside.

when i was growing up there were about 7 europeans born for every african. now it's about 3 to 1. and still slowly but steadily falling. as the ratio moves towards 1:1 the african share of violent crime should slowly but steadily move up as well.

with the mestizos and american indians from mexico and central america mixed in the numbers, it gets harder to say what's happening. they confound the data.

but the african on european crime rate is probably increasing, 2% per decade or so. it starting going up noticeably before obama, during the second bush term, but it's still steadily climbing i would guess.

David said...

>Do you want to live in a white middle class neighborhood with a higher suicide rate or a black gang infested neighborhood with a higher murder rate?<

What are your other specials?

Anonymous said...

suicide hits Whites the hardest

Suicide hits smart white males the hardest.

Anonymous said...

Truth:"Come on, Steve, you know the rules! There is no race, in HBD, known as
"Hispanic", so if the Mess-kins are not black they must be whites or Asians, which one are they?"

Racial hybrids, combining Amerind with Caucasoid.

Anonymous said...

"Do you want to live in a white middle class neighborhood with a higher suicide rate or a black gang infested neighborhood with a higher murder rate?"

I'm not saying suicide is contagious. Perhaps unemployment, and the looming move to a murder-ridden NAM neighborhood is a common trigger. I wouldn't doubt it. I know it would make me at least contemplate the option.
I don't think any government study will be done to see if white kids do themselves in due to NAM bullying, white men do it for fear of downward mobility to NAM neighborhoods or NAM prisons, and white elderly do it for fear of ending up in a nursing home being tended to by NAMs.

Anonymous said...

TL;DR But, let me guess, it's YT's fault.

Anonymous said...

"Come on, Steve, you know the rules! There is no race, in HBD, known as
"Hispanic", so if the Mess-kins are not black they must be whites or Asians, which one are they?"

They are that group with the shared trait of being White when committing crime and Brown when applying for benefits - a unique race of chameleons.

Anonymous said...

BTW, Facebook can accurately predict ethnic group membership with high confidence:

The highest accuracy was achieved for ethnic origin and gender. African Americans and Caucasian Americans were correctly classified in 95% of cases, and males and females were correctly classified in 93% of cases, suggesting that patterns of online behavior as expressed by Likes significantly differ between those groups allowing for nearly perfect classification. Christians and Muslims were correctly classified in 82%of cases, and similar results were achieved for Democrats and Republicans (85%).

I guess all those golf course "likes" were the downfall for Steve's anonymity.

Anonymous said...

In those rare moments of doubt, I look to these stats and remind myself that, no, I'm not on the crazy side.

Hail said...

From the May 2011 Yglesias attack:

Steve Sailer wrote:
"well-educated younger people...attempting to reclaim urban areas for the urbane"

That urban areas were ever "lost to the urbane [Whites]" at all is due to the desire to minimize that "Black-on-White" line on the graph in this post, of course.

Walkability and urban living is fine and good, but it probably cannot exist in a multiracial environment. Certainly not in the context of the kind(s) of multiracialism that the USA has had imposed on it since WWII.

Anonymous said...

Isn't the rate more relevant than sheer numbers? A quick estimate shows that the BOB rate is about eight times greater than the WOW rate.

Anonymous said...


I was involved in collecting some of this data and found that many Hispanics self identify as white.


I wonder if they self identify as white when the time comes to apply to college or for an SBA loan.

Chicago said...

The BOW ratio might be higher were it not for the fact that the w part spend a lot of money and effort trying to avoid becoming a statistic by doing things like moving, avoiding certain areas, being generally wary, etc, thus reducing exposure and predator opportunity.

Truth said...

"They are that group with the shared trait of being White when committing crime and Brown when applying for benefits - a unique race of chameleons."

LOL, maybe somewhere else, but here, they're brown when committing a crime, and white when being victims of a crime perpetrated by Knee-Groz

LemmusLemmus said...

What happens when you count Hispanics as a group of their own in crime statistics?". Bottom line: Hispanics get counted separately in California and New York state. If you don't count Hispanics as white, then the black-white ratio is remarkably stable over the period in question.

Truth said...

"Walkability and urban living is fine and good, but it probably cannot exist in a multiracial environment"

We have a word for "multiracial environments" in this country; they're called "cities.", and obviously walkability and urban living work fine.

Anonymous said...

"They are that group with the shared trait of being White when committing crime and Brown when applying for benefits - a unique race of chameleons."

LOL, maybe somewhere else, but here, they're brown when committing a crime, and white when being victims of a crime perpetrated by Knee-Groz


That "somewhere else" being the mainstream media and the opinions of most people that vote.

Drunk Idiot said...

@jody

"...we don't have crack now. so if it were crack, the rates should have changed back. note this means the drug war is working, contrary to the legions of libertarians who claim that "the drug war is a waste of time"."

Heroin replaced crack. It's dirt-cheap now and it's much more powerful than the heroin of yesteryear.

Virtually all the big drug action on American inner city streets is heroin-related now.

But things aren't getting better, they're getting worse.

Back in the late 80s/early 90s crack was tearing up the inner cities, but at least white kids from the suburbs weren't flooding into the streets to buy it.

Whitney Houston knew what she was talking about -- crack is wack.

The white kids from the burbs are flooding into the streets to get that Godsmack now though.

Torn and Frayed said...

The Obama study on murder certainly doesn't try to emphasize the fact that the black murder rate is so much higher than the white rate. The best way to hide this is to use percentage comparisons. Figure 19 is deceptive in that it shows a similar ratio of white-on-white vs. black-on-black murder. A dull reader might walk away from that chart thinking black kill blacks at around the same rate as white internecine murder. What the percentages hide is the fact that the total number of (or rate per 100,000 for) black murders is nearly 10 times higher than white murders. Figures 18 and 21a and 21b in that document show the disparities better.

Anonymous said...

Of course, the 'black on white' murder line on that graph is grossly deceptive - and should not be taken at face value. In other words the entire graph should be scrapped as it grreatly misleads, which was possibly the whole intention.
The fact is that 'whites', (again a lot of deceit by the US government is involved with this grouping), outnumber blacks in the USA by something like 6 times. Therefore an honest graph would show the per capita rate of inter-racial murder perpetration.
Of course, if that was done, a very different picture would emerge.

Anonymous said...

Here's the 2010 data in California, which separate blacks, whites, and Hispanics across all felonies and misdemeanors.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pdfs/cjsc/prof10/18-22/00.pdf?

(White adults commit about 19% of homicides, compared to . . . well, you do the math.)

ben tillman said...

The fact is that 'whites', (again a lot of deceit by the US government is involved with this grouping), outnumber blacks in the USA by something like 6 times.

More like 3.5 to 4 times.

Truth said...

"Of course, the 'black on white' murder line on that graph is grossly deceptive -
The fact is that 'whites', (again a lot of deceit by the US government is involved with this grouping), outnumber blacks in the USA by something like 6 times..."

Why would the ratio of whites to blacks alter the ratio of inter-racial murders? You still have the same number of potential victims and perpetrators.

Mr. Anon said...

"jody said...

"Crack."

but we don't have crack now. so if it were crack, the rates should have changed back. note this means the drug war is working, contrary to the legions of libertarians who claim that "the drug war is a waste of time"."

How is that an improvement? Black thugs killing one another and removing themselves from society - all without the cost of imprisoning them - sounds like a policy that's "working" to me.

And, by the way, the primary argument against the war-on-drugs is that is has become an assault on all of our civil liberties, and an entree to the police-state - which it most certainly has.

NOTA said...

The problem is, walkability and public transit become a lot less valuable as the risk of crime goes up. This is the insight behind the overwhelming acceptance of Bllomberg continuing to use stop-and-frisk mainly on minorities in New York. My guess is that high density living implies policing that looks a lot more like Bloomberg or Guilliani than like anything very liberal.

pat said...

Your scales tend to demphasize the differences. Adjust the vertical scales a bit and the differences would be more dramatic. But you knew that.

The present day murder rates that have everyone in the media so exercised are really quite an improvement over those that obtained during the "crack" period. Some police have testified that the black community actually pulled back from crack because they recognized what it was doing to them. They switched to marijuana.

Bill O'Reilly - and others who should know better - speak of marijuana as a "threshold drug". But in this case it seems the users crossed that threshold going the other way. Do you think the government will ever be so enlightened as to try to wean users from opiates and cocaine onto weed?

Albertosaurus

Luther said...

LOL, maybe somewhere else, but here, they're brown when committing a crime, and white when being victims of a crime perpetrated by Knee-Groz

Wrong as usual, "Truth". New Mexico's Top Ten Criminal Fugitives, five are mestizos and each is counted as a white criminal.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten

David said...

It might be useful to post these two photographs:

1 - mug shot of one of those hispanic criminals who are called "white"

and

2 - photo of one of those high-level white activists who are called "hispanic"

Anonymous said...

Bill O'Reilly - and others who should know better - speak of marijuana as a "threshold drug". But in this case it seems the users crossed that threshold going the other way. Do you think the government will ever be so enlightened as to try to wean users from opiates and cocaine onto weed?

No, that makes too much sense. It's like treating alcoholism with LSD, apparently works. Maybe the LSD opens a gateway in space and time so that hippie Asian demons from the heathen spirit world scare the drunk away from his booze.

Eric said...

Bill O'Reilly - and others who should know better - speak of marijuana as a "threshold drug".

When I was in college pot really was a threshold drug to something quite a bit more dangerous. Tobacco.

AMac said...

"Rob Good" commented earlier (3/11/13, 3:50 PM) --

> I live 40 miles north of DC in downtown Baltimore... The Baltimore Sun provides a sanitized account of crime. It was left to the "alternative" City Pages to provide an actual count of murders called Murder Inc...

Yes, the Baltimore Sun is reliably progressive, leftist, and Correct in the slant of its news features, and in what it chooses to cover and not cover. On Page 3 of this morning's Page 3 story is Third trial starts for Perez in 2004 child killings.

The story begins, "A few months after Maria Andrea Espejo Quezada arrived in Baltimore from Mexico nine years ago, her son and two of his young relatives were beaten, strangled and almost decapitated."

The murderers, the victims, and the murderers' and victims' extended family all appear to be illegal immigrants. It would be unseemly to repeat that hatefact.

In Minitrue's Figure 19, these three deaths are part of 2006's "White on white" tally, I suppose.

These bitter, violent white folks. Clutching their guns, knives, whatever.

Hail said...

Truth wrote:
"We have a word for "multiracial environments" in this country; they're called "cities.", and obviously walkability and urban living work fine."

A casual glance at a list of cities ranked in order of diversity will show that the most walkable places tend to be Whitest. Portland, quintessentially. Diversity correlates highly with unwalkability.

Don't be naive or disingenuous.

Diversity severely discourages walkability and peaceable urban living. People are a bit physically scared and generally uncomfortable with diversity. So walkability is neglected or proactively avoided. Same with public transit, in principle.

Mr. Anon said...

"Truth said...

""Of course, the 'black on white' murder line on that graph is grossly deceptive - The fact is that 'whites', (again a lot of deceit by the US government is involved with this grouping), outnumber blacks in the USA by something like 6 times...""

Why would the ratio of whites to blacks alter the ratio of inter-racial murders? You still have the same number of potential victims and perpetrators."

It would alter the number of interracial murders normalized by the number of potential killers, and that's what's relevant in assessing potential risks and criminal propensities of different populations. You might want to refrain from posting about anything to do with math, as you clearly know nothing about it. All you do is advertise your ignorance.

Rev. Right said...

Steve Sailer said...
"What happened around 1988 to flip the BoB and WoW curves??"

Crack.
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Also, as to the drop in the WoW curve, the baby boomers were starting to roll into their 30's. The propensity to commit murder drops drastically with age.