May 28, 2013

Again, why was Todashev granted asylum?

Ramzan Kadyrov and Stephen Seagal last week
From Radio Free Europe yesterday:
Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov has accused the FBI of "killing without justification" a young ethnic Chechen thought to have ties to one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects.  
Kadyrov said that Ibragim Todashev was a "good boy" and his father, who works in the administration of the Chechen capital, Grozny, is a "decent man."

There are all sorts of interesting theories one could make up about this, but the one obvious conclusion is that there's something wrong with our refugee system. Ibragim Todashev was granted refuge in the U.S. even though his family is part of the deep state of Russian-ruled Chechnya, part of the Putin-backed dictator's mafia. Young Todashev wasn't a loser in Chechnya's civil wars, he was a winner. He wasn't coming here to flee violence at home. Instead, he was coming here to practice his violence in our gleaming gyms.

40 comments:

Anonymous said...

Shouldn't that be, "Why again was Todashev granted asylum?"

Unless he was granted asylum twice.

Kibernetika said...

Steven, your chosen work is Sisyphean. I appreciate that you challenge the conventional, and it reminds me too of Diogenes, in a way ;)

Anonymous said...

Seagal really gets around. Speaking of whores and bastards, Seagal has had 4 spouses from multiple continents, and 7 kids. He also has a history of being accused of sexual harassment and the "illegal trafficking of females for sex". He's also been certified as reincarnated:

"In February 1997, lama Penor Rinpoche from Palyul monastery announced that Seagal was a tulku, and specifically the reincarnation of Chungdrag Dorje, a 17th-century terton (treasure revealer) of the Nyingma, the oldest sect of Tibetan Buddhism."

Anonymous said...

Stay on this Steve. It's an interesting topic and I think a winner even in a public forum. Who would want here violent, psychotic, cruel Chechens in our country.

Dan in DC

Anonymous said...

"FBI agents who eliminated Boston terrorist Tsarnaev mysteriously killed"

http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/24-05-2013/124656-boston_terrorist_fbi_agents_killed-0/

"The FBI agents, who eliminated Boston terrorist Tamerlan Tsarnaev, died as they fell out of a helicopter, the press service of the FBI said.

Two officers of the counter-terrorism department of the Federal Bureau of Investigation died on Friday, May 17. The incident occurred during training exercises conducted by the FBI at a distance of 12 nautical miles from the coast of the U.S. state of Virginia.

An official statement from the FBI says that special agents Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw fell out of a helicopter while training a complex exercise. The agents were supposed to be lowered on a rope on a ship from a helicopter. For yet unknown reasons, the two agents fell out of the helicopter and were killed in the fall."

**Note that the same thing happened to the SEALs who killed bin Laden

Anonymous said...

Don't mess with Chechens in purple shirts or tucked in wife beaters. On second thought, don't mess with Chechens unless you're int he FBI.

Anonymous said...

Ramzan Kadyrov is a gangster. But context is important. In the late 1990s Chechnya was much more violent than it is now. And it was exporting its violence to its neighbors. They launched an invasion of Dagestan and conducted terrorist attacks in other parts of Russia. Putin has substantially decreased the level of violence in Chechnya. And he has increased the amount of federal control. To do that he had to work with and through local leaders. It just so happened that Ramzan Kadyrov's father, the chief mufti of Chechnya, agreed to work with Putin. Ahmet Kadyrov was blown up by jihadists/freedom fighters/terrorists (depending on one's perspective) in 2004, and eventually his son Ramzan inherited the position of president of Chechnya/client king.

For those who think that peace is better than war, Kadyrovs'/Putin's Chechnya is a vast improvement on 1990s Chechnya. It's still not back up to the late Soviet level, when it was in fact peaceful, but nothing in the post-Soviet space has returned to that level yet.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if the Russians now have a personal reason to be pissed at the US.

Anonymous said...

Maybe if you use deep state incorrectly ten or fifteen more times some Pulitzer committeeman googling for a Seymour Hersch article might stumble upon your site and throw one your way.

Hint we already have a description to describe his father its called works in the ____ administration" it is in the article you link to.

To the person always getting on Steve for not reading books please stop. When he reads books he finds terms that he has to shoe horn into every fifth post. When he watches movies he just thinks every light-skinned black person loooks like Mark Ruffalo for a few weeks.

rightsaidfred said...

He was coming here to add vibrancy. And to do jobs American's won't do.
And to add value. And to bless us with his comparative advantage. Etc.

eah said...

there's something wrong with our refugee system

The fact that there are refugees here at all tells you this. Given how successful they are, on average, at making it in America (in contrast to their success in making it to America). Or rather lack of it. And that in some locales, an influx of refugees has alone brought significant and unwanted demographic change. After which they chain migrate just like immigrants. America would be better off if they were taken care of back where they came from. Which would likely be cheaper too.

However the system seems to work quite well for the refugee contractors. The "refugee system" is one area of government (quasi) that has, in effect, been completely privatized, and is a prime example of 'privatizing profits and socializing costs'.

It's too bad more Americans don't read Refugee Resettlement Watch.

Anonymous said...

Is Stephen Segal dying his beard?

Whiskey said...

Todashev was granted asylum for dominance. Against the native, historic American nation and its peoples. The same way England heaped money, and opportunities, on the two Nigerian killers of Lee Rigby. Who might as well have been Eleanor's son.

Its all about DOMINANCE. That's what it is. Nothing new here. As old as using Hessians to dominate the Americans, or using various mercenaries and colonists of a foreign land to terrorize the ruler's people, because the ruler hates and fears his people.

The twist is that many (if not most) women welcome this domination, the humiliation and punishment of their equalist men as much as desirable feature as is the sexy dominance/abuse of the foreign men they fancy. That's why the daughter of Yale Doctors end up marrying Muslim thugs who blow the legs off little blonde boys and kill their sisters. And its why said widow pays no real price, or punishment, for siding with the enemy. Hell I can smell the book deal and Oprah appearance and Lifetime movie from here.

But as much as Western women desire that someone dominate them, they also desire that their men be punished for failing at the job.

Anonymous said...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/08/books/a-constellation-of-vital-phenomena-by-anthony-marra.html?ref=dwightgarner&_r=0

Auntie Analogue said...


Oops. Seems I stumbled into the wrong blog post comments section, man. I was searching, actually, for the hippie comedy duo. You know: Chechen Chong.

Anonymous said...

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/berger/2013/05/15/freudian-gays-and-behavioral-feminists/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PeterBerger+%28Peter+Berger%29

Anonymous said...

"FBI agents who eliminated Boston terrorist Tsarnaev mysteriously killed"

http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/24-05-2013/124656-boston_terrorist_fbi_agents_killed-0/

"The FBI agents, who eliminated Boston terrorist Tamerlan Tsarnaev, died as they fell out of a helicopter, the press service of the FBI said.

Two officers of the counter-terrorism department of the Federal Bureau of Investigation died on Friday, May 17. The incident occurred during training exercises conducted by the FBI at a distance of 12 nautical miles from the coast of the U.S. state of Virginia.

An official statement from the FBI says that special agents Christopher Lorek and Stephen Shaw fell out of a helicopter while training a complex exercise. The agents were supposed to be lowered on a rope on a ship from a helicopter. For yet unknown reasons, the two agents fell out of the helicopter and were killed in the fall."

**Note that the same thing happened to the SEALs who killed bin Laden

...........

It isn't that mysterious. It's not unusual for special forces guys to die during training. They have an extremely dangerous job.

HAR said...

"FBI agents who eliminated Boston terrorist Tsarnaev mysteriously killed"

Interesting, considering those two FBI agents died in the helicopter crash a few days before the incident with the Chechen. Didn't the fact that something called Pravda was the only source for your conspiracy theory make you a little suspicious?

Anonymous said...

http://t.co/thrzh6kJYX


Enoch Powell and "Rivers of Blood."

DR said...

The twist is that many (if not most) women welcome this domination, the humiliation and punishment of their equalist men as much as desirable feature as is the sexy dominance/abuse of the foreign men they fancy.

Women may generally favor immigration more than men. But the differences are not striking. At most 15% difference on pro/anti-immigration positions between men and women. On most questions the gender difference is 10% or less.

In contrast race, income, education, party affiliation and age are all much stronger predictors of immigration opinions then gender. Women in general are more liberal than men. Liberals generally favor immigration. There's no strong evidence that women are the most pro-immigration group, or that their views on the topic are stronger than their generally generic left-right views.

Poll source

Furthermore while some white women prefer minority men, the vast majority prefer white men to any other race. Only 4% of marriages in the US are interracial, whereas random pairing would predict 44% of marriages to be interracial. This despite more than half a century of the complete abolition of legal impediments to interracial marriage, and at least several decades of general social acceptability in cosmopolitan circles.

We also know from speed dating studies that women significantly prefer to date within their own race. The sole exception being Asian women preferring to date white men. In contrast men are much more willing to date outside their race than women. (The gender that's known for importing "sexy foreigners" is generally men. You don't see many mail-order grooms.)

We know that simply being a black male decreases the probability that a white woman will check yes in speed dating to you by 10%. Being hispanic decreases it by 12.5%.

Finally these results are robust when controlling for age, rated attractiveness, income, percent of interracial couples in the zip code the person grew up in, and political/social opinions.

If white women have such a desire for non-white men one wonders why they don't act on it, even for such non-committal actions as checking yes in speed dating. Furthermore there's already plenty of minority men in America, yet only a tiny fraction of white women are romantically involved with them.

The gender divide on immigration and multi-cultural issues in general is certainly one salient angle of analysis. But it's far being the case that Western civilization is being dismantled because of women wanting exciting romances with exotic men.

Source for speed dating study

Matthew said...

"there's something wrong with our refugee system"

"The fact that there are refugees here at all tells you this. Given how successful they are, on average, at making it in America (in contrast to their success in making it to America)."

Indeed, especially the fact that they have often bypassed a dozen or more countries geographically and culturally closer to their own to get here. There is no refuge that is here that couldn't and shouldn't have stayed in a country much closer to home? Somalis? My God, there like 40 countries closer to Somalia than the United States or Sweden or Great Britain - countries that are either black, or Islamic, or both. Why they hell are they coming to our countries? Same goes with Sudan.

Take the Tamils in Sri Lanka. For over 20 years the Tamils waged a brutal civil war against the Sri Lankan government. Now that they have lost, tens of thousands of Tamils are hopping on boats seeking asylum. Where do they go? Well, they could go to India, not 60 miles off the shore of their island, where the Indian state of Tamil Nadu is home to 60 million ethnic Tamils. Hell, the Indian government backed the Tamils during for several years of the war. Many go there, where they are an easy cultural and linguistic fit. But tens of thousands instead hop on boats and head thousands of miles east to Australia, and at least two ships bearing about 600 "refugees" made it all the way to Canada, hich already has tens of thousands of Sri Lankan "refugees." Australia, instead of buying them a one-way ticket back to Sri Lanka (a solution that would solve the problem rather quickly) has spent billions of scarce taxpayer dollars dealing with the problem of these so-called refugees.

Dr Van Nostrand said...

Take the Tamils in Sri Lanka. For over 20 years the Tamils waged a brutal civil war against the Sri Lankan government. Now that they have lost, tens of thousands of Tamils are hopping on boats seeking asylum. Where do they go? Well, they could go to India, not 60 miles off the shore of their island, where the Indian state of Tamil Nadu is home to 60 million ethnic Tamils. Hell, the Indian government backed the Tamils during for several years of the war. Many go there, where they are an easy cultural and linguistic fit. But tens of thousands instead hop on boats and head thousands of miles east to Australia, and at least two ships bearing about 600 "refugees" made it all the way to Canada, hich already has tens of thousands of Sri Lankan "refugees." Australia, instead of buying them a one-way ticket back to Sri Lanka (a solution that would solve the problem rather quickly) has spent billions of scarce taxpayer dollars dealing with the problem of these so-called refugees."

India took many SL Tamils in the 80s and decided they didnt want them.
Heck Indian Tamils were ready to lynch SL Tamils for their criminal activities.
The love affair between Indian and SL Tamils finally ended when the LTTE assasinated Rajiv Gandhi.

Done.No more.

India doesnt want them , both Sri Lanka are more than happy to toss this open grenade to Western countries.

It is estimated that upto 1/3rd of SL Tamil population lives abroad.

Anonymous said...

Interesting, considering those two FBI agents died in the helicopter crash a few days before the incident with the Chechen. Didn't the fact that something called Pravda was the only source for your conspiracy theory make you a little suspicious?

Wrong. The agents who died were involved in the younger brother's arrest. Here's another link. I'm not saying there is a connection, but refuting your misinformation.

http://hamptonroads.com/2013/05/fbi-agents-died-fall-helicopter-va-coast

Matthew said...

"We also know from speed dating studies that women significantly prefer to date within their own race."

Yes. The one major study I saw showed that women, not men, were the limiting factor in the number of interracial relationships. Men were significantly more likely than women to be willing to date across races. Asian-American women were the one exception to this rule, being roughly as likely to prefer white men as men from their own race.

I've seen literally hundreds of relationships where attractive women were dating or married to rather dorky, "beta" white men. But don't try changing Whiskey's mind. He's stuck on this one.

Simon in London said...

Matthew:
"I've seen literally hundreds of relationships where attractive women were dating or married to rather dorky, "beta" white men. But don't try changing Whiskey's mind. He's stuck on this one."

High-attractiveness non-white women seem to like dorky white men more than white women do - but I'm not sure if that supports or detracts from Whiskey's view, which AFAICT is focused on hostility to white women rather than to women in general.

My impression is that dorky men do better nowadays than say twenty years ago, perhaps because their relative earning power has improved, perhaps because of a larger pool of women due to Internet social networking etc. They seem more likely to get married, and when married they tend to stay married.
The white men who are losing out are more the 'regular guys', upper working class (skilled manual/blue collar) and lower middle class, the traditional bedrock of Western societies. They still have access to random sex, but are less likely to get married, more likely to be divorced, etc. ie they still have access to PUA 'Alpha' lifestyle (promiscuity) but PUA 'Beta' lifetstyle (marriage and family) is increasingly denied them, or is fragile.

Anonymous said...

"It is estimated that upto 1/3rd of SL Tamil population lives abroad."

And they are all in Toronto protesting outside the SL consulate with those irritating finger-painted signs and ululating voices.

Chicago said...

Perhaps there was a calculation within the CIA that he had potential for recruitment; he had language skills, was a native, was well placed, could go back and forth and may have been needy for money. BTW, has it been established he actually jumped at the FBI agent with a knife as was originally reported? The story seems to have dropped out of sight. If a suspect was unarmed and being questioned in the presence of three Chicago cops and he lunged at them with his fists and was shot dead then the same FBI would be looking into the case, citing excessive force and civil rights violations. The cops might get fired, or worse. What about the triple homicide, has DNA tied him to it yet? What about the confession they said he was writing out for them at his house, will they provide to the public what he actually wrote? I'd like to see more detail on this.

George said...

Well, the clear answer is for a massive infusion of US foreign aid to Chechnya to construct state of the art gyms for midnight weightlifting.

Anonymous said...

I see the Chechnian guy but why is he sitting next to the bloated vampire?

pat said...

Seagal is a real whacko. But like his role model - Dennis Rodman - he has conveniently chosen to echo in his personal appearance his deep weirdness.

In his first movie he makes a little speech about how America had had armies of secret assassins in South East Asia that killed millions. Later in his "Die Hard" on a Battleship movie he has Tommy Lee Jones make a speech justifying a nuclear exchange because we are running out of top soil. Seagal seems to agree about the top soil but he knife fights Jones anyway.

But by far the craziest Steven Seagal movie was "On Deadly Ground". In this formulaic actioner all the bad guys are killed and the plot lines are drawn up when Seagal appears on screen at some kind of Amerindian political function. He delivers an environmental harangue in which he exposes an oil industry conspiracy to suppress a technology that would let us burn water in automobiles instead of gas.

Even Matt Damon or George Clooney don't tack on self indulgent political speeches at the end of their movies.

A generation before there were the Three Tenors, there was a fabulous operatic tenor named Michele Molese. But he started stepping out of character on stage and proceeded to the footlights where he would give a little speech to the audience. His career ended abruptly. But in film apparently no behavior is too outrageous and no idea too bizarre.

Albertosaurus

Melanie said...

@Whiskey-

Sir, you really have to move from wherever you're living. It's distorting your perceptions.

I only have my own anecdotal POV to offer, but I do have many years of it. I just haven't seen, IRL, this epidemic of masochistic WW seeking other-than-white partners for dating or for marriage. The women I know-my married peers, and my younger friends and relatives-it's just not even in their minds. It's not even a factor which they dismiss, because it was never there to start with. They want white men, and that's their default position. Other men don't even exist in their projections.

My world is very conservative, but I really think most people's is, no matter their political leanings, when it comes to lifestyle.

DR said...

The white men who are losing out are more the 'regular guys', upper working class (skilled manual/blue collar) and lower middle class, the traditional bedrock of Western societies. They still have access to random sex, but are less likely to get married, more likely to be divorced, etc. ie they still have access to PUA 'Alpha' lifestyle (promiscuity) but PUA 'Beta' lifetstyle (marriage and family) is increasingly denied them, or is fragile.

I think you're right on the ball about this. The dissolution of the traditional family is much more a class issue than a gender issue. Charles Murray documented this pretty well in Coming Apart. Upper-class white America still lives like its 1950 when it comes to social mores, whereas lower-class white America now lives increasingly like ghetto people.

Educated professional women, who are precisely the demographic of women must supportive of immigration, largely have little to no interest in "Alpha PUA" males, except maybe outside limited flings. The vast majority of their romantic entanglements are to other professional, educated men. Most of whom are quite "beta". The type of women who consistently crave dominant, alpha males are overwhelmingly concentrated in the lower-class.

Anonymous said...

Its all about DOMINANCE. That's what it is.

Whiskey, whom do you dominate?

Anonymous said...

Whole lotta chechen goin on.

Anonymous said...

Segal is a working actor but the next time he's in a big budget actioner will be after all the rest of the men in California are dead. His career is not alive more like undead. Which explains the whole 'Dracula' look he's sporting.

pat said...

I always have trouble understanding Whiskey.

I also don't know what the Hessians has to do with Whiskies' fascination with Alphas and Betas. Probably because I can never figure out whether I'm an Alpha or a Beta.

I have headed a couple organizations but I have been the second in command much more often. So that makes me a beta?

But often I was specifically hired to dominate the rambunctious staff. I was often called a 'hatchet man'. When I was a consultant I was hired to 'tame' the staff or to 'bring the contractors under control'. I was hired occasionally because I was smart but more often because I was tough. So that makes me an Alpha - no?

Or does Whiskey only intend Alpha and Beta status to apply in the sexual arena? In BDSM I inhabit the Dominant role. Does that make me an Alpha? I have some trouble with that interpretation because Dominance and Submission in BDSM (at least in normal BDSM)is not the same as the distinction between a person who is Alpha in some social hierarchy and another who is beta. It's just a boy girl thing. Submission makes girls hot.

But now we learn that it's DOMINANCE (please excuse the caps). Whatever Whiskey means by this is yet more unclear. Apparently it has something to do with the Hessians. Huh?

When I go on Alt.com later today I will find amongst all the women who are looking for a man to Dominate them, a few white women who will specify that he must be a black man only. My guess - albeit an educated guess - is that white women looking for black men to whom they wish to submit is no more than 5%. It's a real identifiable minority taste but it is a very small minority. I've never seen a woman of any race express the desire to be the subbie or slave to an Asian man.

Even in 'normal' pornography there are always sites where you see black men on white women but Asian men are no where to be seen.

Albertosaurus

pat said...

I always have trouble understanding Whiskey.

I also don't know what the Hessians has to do with Whiskies' fascination with Alphas and Betas. Probably because I can never figure out whether I'm an Alpha or a Beta.

I have headed a couple organizations but I have been the second in command much more often. So that makes me a beta?

But often I was specifically hired to dominate the rambunctious staff. I was often called a 'hatchet man'. When I was a consultant I was hired to 'tame' the staff or to 'bring the contractors under control'. I was hired occasionally because I was smart but more often because I was tough. So that makes me an Alpha - no?

Or does Whiskey only intend Alpha and Beta status to apply in the sexual arena? In BDSM I inhabit the Dominant role. Does that make me an Alpha? I have some trouble with that interpretation because Dominance and Submission in BDSM (at least in normal BDSM)is not the same as the distinction between a person who is Alpha in some social hierarchy and another who is beta. It's just a boy girl thing. Submission makes girls hot.

But now we learn that it's DOMINANCE (please excuse the caps). Whatever Whiskey means by this is yet more unclear. Apparently it has something to do with the Hessians. Huh?

I think this Alpha-Beta analysis is just airy persiflage.

As to women being attracted to bad boys...

When I go on Alt.com later today I will find amongst all the women who are looking for a man to Dominate them, a few white women who will specify that he must be a black man only. My guess - albeit an educated guess - is that white women looking for black men to whom they wish to submit is no more than 5%. It's a real identifiable minority taste but it is a very small minority. I've never seen a woman of any race express the desire to be the subbie or slave to an Asian man.

Even in 'normal' pornography there are always sites where you see black men on white women but Asian men are no where to be seen.

Maybe this mean that women see Asian men as civilized and therefore less attractive - they seek that 'hot monkey love'.

Albertosaurus

TontoBubbaGoldstein said...

My impression is that dorky men do better nowadays than say twenty years ago...


Well, I'm pretty damn dorky, and I did a lot better twenty years ago...

Wait... Oh......

*Shakes fist and yells, "Get of my lawn!"*

Anonymous said...

To repay this crime we need to exile Segal to Chechnya.

Anonymous said...

Enough Segal bashing, ok? You may hate his flicks, politics, looks, etc.
I admire & deeply respect his Traditional Chinese Medicine knowledge & mastery of Martial Arts.
He instructs peace officers in hand to hand & weapon skills to best emerge victorious in a life & death struggle.
Behind his Hollywood image is a real deal man. Yes, he has had "women troubles" but what Alpha hasn't? Shown to be gold-diggers each & every one. All in all, he is a better fit in Chechnya than California.