July 7, 2013

Brazil gearing up for World Cup 2014, Olympics 2016

From ESPN:
An amateur football match in Brazil led to two deaths as a referee was beheaded by spectators after he had stabbed a player. 
The shocking incidents occurred in Maranhao, Brazil, last Sunday. According to reports, referee Otavio Jordao da Silva fatally stabbed footballer Josenir dos Santos Abreu. 
Dos Santos Abreu is believed to have struck the referee after questioning a decision. In retaliation, Jordao da Silva stabbed the player. 
Having witnessed the incident, an outraged group of spectators turned on the referee. He was tied up, beaten, stoned and quartered. They then put his head on a stake and planted it in the middle of the pitch.

I went to a professional soccer game at the Maracana (sp?) stadium in Rio in 1978, capacity 199,000 for the 1950 World Cup final. My father and I thought we were getting a deal because we only paid like a dollar apiece. But we ended up in the standing room only section on field level with all the tough eggs. Couldn't see much of what was happening, but we got an excellent view of the dry moat separating us spectators from the field in case we got the urge to dispute a call by lynching the ref. (There had apparently been an Unfortunate Incident.)

59 comments:

Anonymous said...

North Eastern Brazil is quite possibly the blackest African part of Brazil. The North and the Center-West are the most mixed parts (50-70% white). The South and the South-East are the whitest European parts. And when I say 50-70% white, I don't mean the areas. I mean the people are literally 1/2 white to maybe 2/3 white.

Anonymous said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nika_riots

The Nika riots (Greek: Στάσις τοῦ Νίκα), or Nika revolt, took place over the course of a week in Constantinople in AD 532. It was the most violent riot in the history of Constantinople, with nearly half the city being burned or destroyed and tens of thousands of people killed. It remains today one of the world's deadliest ever riots.[citation needed]

The ancient Roman and Byzantine empires had well-developed associations, known as demes, which supported the different factions (or teams) under which competitors in certain sporting events competed; this was particularly true of chariot racing. There were four major factional teams of chariot racing, differentiated by the colour of the uniform in which they competed; the colours were also worn by their supporters. These were the Blues, the Reds, the Greens, and the Whites, although by the Byzantine era the only teams with any influence were the Blues and Greens. Emperor Justinian I was a supporter of the Blues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_War

The Football War (Spanish: La guerra del fútbol), also known as the Soccer War or 100 Hour War, was a brief war fought by El Salvador and Honduras in 1969. The cause of the war was economic in nature, namely issues concerning immigration from El Salvador to Honduras.[1]

Anononymous said...

Maracana (sp?)

Pochinko said...

Now that's doing jobs Americans just won't do.

Anonymous said...

I'm repeating myself but Maranhão, Brazil is North Eastern Brazil. Meaning, the blackest and the most Africanized part of Brazil.

North East - Black African aka Dangerous, Savage, Hostile and Uncivilized - The worst
North and Center-West - Mixed (1/2 White to 2/3 White) aka Problematic but Tolerable - The middle
South and South-East - White European - The best

John said...

Maracanã, yes. And since I've got the special character on my clipboard, Maranhão.

I predict both the 2014 and 2016 spectacles will come and go largely unremarked. The former because it's soccer, about which there is nothing to say; and the latter because Brazil does such a great job being Brazilian. It concedes nothing to, nor does it demand anything from, the outside world. If you come having studied Portuguese, you will find the place hugely interesting and accessible; and if not, not. I cannot imagine any journalist coming properly prepared, and so the whole experience will be opaque.

I'm not sure the 1968 Olympics in Mexico City were like that, but then, I'm not sure anything could be like that. Especially Mexico itself. In 1968, it seemed a more or less real country, where a great spectacle might be more or less competently staged. I don't think anyone thinks that now.

countenance said...

Brazil, aka the former United States of America circa 2100 A.D.

Anonymous said...

Russia has the 2014 Olympics and the 2018 World Cup...

Anonymous said...

This incident happened in the interior of the Northeast of Brazil. A place very similar to Mexico in that it sends its poor all over the country to work. They are usually squat trifecta of indian, black, and european. In these rural areas people walk around with knives and have vendettas where someone has to die. It is Brazil, but different than the rest of the country in a big way. Also, Southern Europeans, as America saw with the mob, are quite quick to kill. My fully portuguese grandfather here in brasil killed over twenty people in his lifetime. He would walk around like this, except without the hat...


http://br.bing.com/images/search?q=cangaceiro&FORM=HDRSC2#view=detail&id=35030AFEB6949CFEBE8F3461DC22F1EADA170B15&selectedIndex=43

pat said...

Slightly off topic.

I think you Steve as a blogger have an increasing responsibility as the national media slips ever more into somnolence.

For two days now I have endured wall to wall coverage on Fox News about this plane accident at SFO. Only two people were killed. Across the Bay in Oakland we call two violent deaths a 'quiet Saturday night'.

Now when they finally revert to regular news they have one of their corps of impossible beautiful blondes interviewing T. Boone Pickens on Obama's energy proposals. Mr. Pickens recommends Natural Gas. Yet she never asks if his recommendation has anything to do with the fact that he sells Natural Gas and indeed has his whole financial wherewithal wrapped up in gas.

I have become inured to no media interviewers confronting immigration advocates with any mention of their personal political or financial interests. And it has long been too much to hope that any news critter would confront some black partisan with the behavior of 'his' people. But surely even a journalism graduate can understand that if you interview a soap salesman you get an impassioned panegyric to soap.

Pickens got an undeserved reputation as a 'green' advocate because of all his ads last year for windmills. The truth is that windmills only are useful if they are supplemented by Natural Gas. When the wind doesn't blow you need to fire up the turbines. But coal fired or oil fired turbines take hours to come online. Only gas fired turbines can respond quickly enough to take over when the winds die.

I know that. Why doesn't anyone at Fox News know that?

With the disappearance of newspapers, there hardly seem to be any real investigative reporters anymore. It looks like the public will have to rely on you.

Albertosaurus

Anonymous said...

http://br.bing.com/images/search?q=nordestino&qs=n&form=QBIR&pq=nordestino&sc=8-10&sp=-1&sk=

google or bing nordestino, this is who did this, and do these things.. this is a seperate race within brazil. not that brazil isn´t a violent place.


maracana doesn´t lynch, even though they riot.. same as in european hooliganism.

my bartender is from the northeast. he says everyone walks around with a big knive, and everyone has been stabbed or has killed. pretty interesting.. but not really relevent to the rest of brazil....maybe a little

Anonymous said...

Northeast is a most negroid influence but there are little differences between this states. For example, Bahia is a most brazilian ''african'' state than others. Maranhão is localizated in a transition region between north and northeast, climate, ethnography and geography. Is one of the most poorest brazilian states but have strong negroid racial influence, for example than Piauí and Ceará (most mixed-race, amerindian and white and probably some sephardic jews, mostly mixed or less mixed with mestizo population).
Southeast is very ''mixed'' both racial and ethniticy variability. (For example, São Paulo is a brazilian state with the biggest 'asian' population concentration).
Majority of ''whites'' in Brazil now are in a '' american deep south'' octoroon or quintoroon.
Fertility rates of ''whites'' yet are much less than non-whites, mixed race is very common and i can call that Brazil move quickly to change in a homogeneous mestizo (mullatoes) people. Pure white people in majority of the regions are disappear by many factor, mxing race, lowest fertility, immigration to foreign countries, homossexualism...

Steve Sailer can speak about cities how São Paulo e Rio de Janeiro during the 50's and 60's. The violence was much less than today.

I read 1984, the orwellian England look like as Brazil today. Proles are the majority, read ''marxist history books'' and is entertained by very stupid post-modern ''arts'', like ''funk carioca''.
There are a upper classes, living in a exclusive places, the ''bolsa família'' serve only to have more cheap labor.

http://www.dicta.com.br/nossos-fariseus/

... and the middle class live with afraid to political corretness.
I look at Chile and Argentina and Brazil to see why this country is so complicated...

Ed said...

There really is no need to worry. The Brazilians are renovating Maracana and putting in seats (seriously, this has caused alot of controversy in Brazil because it means the ticket prices for games are also going up).

I think the World Cup and the Olympics in 2014 and 2016 will both turn out fine. They actually hold big sports events all the time, but since its soccer they are all off Americans' radar. Actually Brazil is the one of the few countries in the world with a popular media and sports media industry comparable to that of the United States, but of course the whole thing is inaccessible to non-Portuguese speakers. Contrawise, there is remarkably little direct American cultural influence compared to most countries I've been to, despite having a culture and history remarkably similar to the American culture and history in many respects (the first commentator, though is spot on about one of the differences).

Brazil has a sort of southern European vibe going where everything seems shambolic day to day, but they pull together and do big events well. Rio in particular basically does an Olympics opening ceremony every year with Carnival.

Anonymous said...

A Brazilian friend told me that Florianopolis is the place to be in Brazil. A civilized European city by the sea, at least by Brazilian standards.

Anonymous said...

Looks like he stabbed someone and they just administered the death penalty. Talk about burying the lede.

Anonymous said...

"With the disappearance of newspapers, there hardly seem to be any real investigative reporters anymore."

The mainstream media seems targeted at 17 year-old girls.

They always used to say that advertising was aimed at women, because they actually spent most of the money. Now it seems the whole media experience (even a lot of the web sites) is aimed at selling/advertising, so it's all become part of the same one-big-advertising experience, I guess. Still flavoured at selling to the largest common female denominator.

Dave Pinsen said...

Here is the Wikipedia page on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maranhão>Maranhão</a>. It's the poorest state in Brazil -- per capital GDP rank is 26th, and Brazil has 26 states. That link also gives the demographics for the state.

Jonathan Silber said...

Makes the bench-clearing brawl of Major League Baseball look like a group hug.

Anonymous said...

"North Eastern Brazil is quite possibly the blackest African part of Brazil."

This part of Brazil was ruled by the Dutch as New Holland between 1630 and 1654:

"...the Dutch Republic came to control almost half of Brazil's area at the time, with their capital in Recif...

... On 6 August 1661, New Holland was formally ceded to Portugal...

...this struggle is counted, in Brazilian historical memory, as laying the seeds of Brazilian nationhood."



Dutch interest in sugarcane and the Dutch-Portugese War in Brazil led to the introduction of black slave plantations in the West Indies and on Barbados, original source of the British and then Southern US slave plantation culture:

"The introduction of sugarcane from Dutch Brazil completely transformed... Barbados... world's biggest sugar industries after starting sugar cane cultivation in 1640. One group which was instrumental... the sugar cane industry were the Sephardic Jews... end up in Dutch Brazil. ... new crop... shift in the ethnic composition of Barbados... sugar plantation required a large investment and a great deal of heavy labour. At first, Dutch traders supplied the equipment, financing, and African slaves, in addition to transporting most of the sugar to Europe. ... English smallholders were... bought out and the island was filled up with large African slave-worked sugar plantations. ...

...the island became increasingly unattractive to poor whites."


And: "In the mid 17th century sugar cane was brought into the British West Indies by the Dutch from Brazil. Upon landing in Barbados... quickly urged local farmers to change their main crops... to sugar cane.

...For about the next one hundred years Barbados remained the richest of all the European colonies in the Caribbean region.

...After the abolition of slavery in Saint Domingue as a result of the Haitian Revolution..."



The war in Brazil is also called the Sugar War. "The war can be thought of as an extension of the Eighty Years War being fought in Europe..."

Due to the weakness of Portugal in Brazil, the Portugese fought the war largely with local irregulars. The Dutch relied mostly on German mercenaries unfamiliar with the tropics.

If I've got any of this wrong, can some Brazilian folks set me right?

Belisarius said...

Brazilianization came in the 19th century for the 10,000 or so Southerners who fled to Brazil after the Civil War. Known as Confederados, they intermarried heavily with the natives. Jimmy Carter visited some of them on a state visit to Brazil; his wife Rosalyn had a relative who became a Confederado. Though they are now completely assimilated, they did leave at least one enduring legacy by introducing fried chicken.

Anonymous said...

Good thing no one brought a gun to the melee. Someone might have gotten killed.

Anonymous said...

Maranhão is the poorest State in Brazil, not a good place to be.

FirkinRidiculous said...

BBC News website are running a piece on NFL players and crime, and concluding they're actually comparatively upstanding citizens. Unfortunately, they didn't attempt to break the stats down along racial lines.

Auntie Analogue said...


Anyone recall Juan Marichal clubbing John Roseboro's skull?

Anonymous said...

You gotta love a place named Novo Hamburgo. It's either populated by immigrant Germans or Ronald McDonald clowns. My guess is a lot of blondes.

HankS said...

" Also, Southern Europeans, as America saw with the mob, are quite quick to kill."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate



United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime data for 2010:

Murder rate per 100.000:

Spain 0.8

Italy 0.9

Portugal 1.2


What a really small minority of organized criminals may do, may not be representative of the average of a nation/ethnic group.

If anything, what is remarkable about the Italian "mafiosi", is how little they actually killed for the size of their criminal enterprises. The return for their violence is orders of magnitude higher compared to the violence of African Americans.

Jefferson said...

[QUOTE]I'm not sure the 1968 Olympics in Mexico City were like that, but then, I'm not sure anything could be like that. Especially Mexico itself. In 1968, it seemed a more or less real country, where a great spectacle might be more or less competently staged. I don't think anyone thinks that now.[/QUOTE]

I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but beheadings happen ALL of the time in Mexico. Especially in the drug trade.

Mexican drug cartels are just equally vicious and savage as any Al Qaeda terrorist.

Mexico is nowhere near as civilized as White Western countries.

That is why I hate when liberals compare Mexican immigrants in the U.S to European immigrants from Ellis Island.

They are NOTHING alike.

Anonymous said...

I firmly believe that the US is becoming more and more like Brazil every day. A racially mixed population, less rule of law and property rights, a government which can't balance its budget and wants to control everything. The dollar will go the way of previous Brazilian currencies.

Mansfield said...

Meanwhile, a Las Vegas stadium is wondering if it was a good idea to host El Super Clasico, a rivalry between a couple of Mexican soccer teams and their rioting fans.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/crime-courts/brawl-casts-doubt-future-soccer-matches

guest007 said...

If South Africa can put on a World Cup and Greece can put on an Olympics, then Brazil will more than likely succeed in hosting both events. Having an international organization oversee a government seems to help in getting a country through such an event.

a very knowing American said...

A great, but disturbing, documentary about crime and corruption in Brazil is "Manda bala" ("Send a bullet"). It includes interviews with a kidnapper (wearing a ski mask) and with a plastic surgeon who specializes in restoring the ears of kidnap victims. Last I heard the movie was banned in Brazil for saying too much about corruption among named officials.

Actually, kidnapping is now less of a problem in Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro than when the movie was made. Cops have tracked down and extralegally executed most of the kidnappers, and reestablished control over some of the most violent favelas. But crime in a lot of the rest of the country is even worse than it was five or ten years ago.

Anonymous said...

Hollywood lies more than Nixon, but when legend becomes fact, screen the legend.

pat said...

Why oh why, was I writing yet another inane blog comment when I should have been watching Wimbledon?

Albertosaurus

World according to Gubbler. said...

Maybe more immigrants are needed to buy tickets for movies Americans won't watch.

Tony said...

C'mon Steve, NFL referees stab players to death all the time and lots of NFL referees get beheaded. Why you gotta pick on Brazil?

Anonymous said...

http://collider.com/despicable-me-2-cinco-paul-ken-daurio-interview/

Creative Latinos?

Looks like they hit the jackpot.


Anonymous said...

If South Africa pulled off world cup, any nation can.

Anonymous said...

There is no such thing as 1/3 white, 1/3 Amerindian and 1/3 black. A third, a third, a third doesn't make sense.

No. That's bad math folks.

A mulatto is 1/2 black and 1/2 white. A mestizo is 1/2 white and 1/2 Amerindian. A pardo is typically a mixture between the two, and not just that but technically any racial mixture.

Now let's suppose a mulatto and a mestizo mate and have kids.

(1/2 white + 1/2 black) + (1/2 white + 1/2 Amerindian) = 1/2 white, 1/4 Amerindian and 1/4 black.

That's about right.

It's more accurate to call them 1/2 white, 1/4 black and 1/4 Amerindian. Now that's good math.

Anonymous said...

Brazil isn't like America. It's not the USA.

It's also not Nigeria, Congo or Sudan. It's not Mexico either.

There's hope for them. The mixed (half-white) population mixes with the white population, and they together mix with the European population from abroad. That leaves more European predominance.

And yes, mixed Brazilian women dig European men (who are usually middle-class and nominally Christian at least) and have children and marry them (meaning formation of cohesive families).

Hunsdon said...

Anonydroid at 2:19 PM said: I firmly believe that the US is becoming more and more like Brazil every day.

Hunsdon said: The Ottoman Empire, my man, the Ottoman Empire.

Anonymous said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2357835/My-ordeal-Gadaffis-sex-slave-Woman-kept-dungeon-used-satisfy-brutal-dictator.html

Gadfly's sex habits.

Anonymous said...

http://www.npr.org/2013/07/07/199557748/sexual-assaults-reportedly-rampant-during-egypt-protests

Arab Boing?!

Social eruptions or erections?

Anonymous said...

Brazil. The Latin American country with the most blacks. It's also the most violent. Coincidence? I think not.

Anonymous said...

I went to the southern part of Brazil a few years ago. You could tell instantly when you were in German-settled area; the streets became immaculately clean, the buildings beautifully maintained, etc.

Anon.

Anonymous said...

'' Contrawise, there is remarkably little direct American cultural influence compared to most countries I've been to, despite having a culture and history remarkably similar to the American culture and history in many respects (the first commentator, though is spot on about one of the differences).''


I do not see this. American culture is very large here. Well, majority of us at least have a choices
''Trash'' pop american music
or
''Trash'' artificial neo-brazilian music

''Brazil has a sort of southern European vibe going where everything seems shambolic day to day, but they pull together and do big events well. Rio in particular basically does an Olympics opening ceremony every year with Carnival.''

Really, you think this???
I hope that you have reason because i definitely don't see the same things.
Brazil today have very 'african influence' created artificialy by the media.
Argentina is a very ''southern european type''.

Reg Cæsar said...

Two things in Brazil's favor: they all speak the same language. Even the Mexicans can't say that. And immigration policy, now as ever, is designed to improve the nation, and does.

Reg Cæsar said...

Something tells me there are almost no immigrants living in this state of Maranhão. Anyone have figures on the distribution of foreign-born in the Great Mulato Inzoneiro?

Anonymous said...

Ideally the world cup and european championship would be held in Germany every cycle. It has the best combination of stadiums, hospitality, infrastructure, transportation links, summer weather, centralized location relative to the rest of the world, extremely strong footballing culture, emergency management, economy, stable government, size (not too big, not too small), etc.

There isn't a country on the planet that can host a better footballing festival.

Anonymous said...

Supposedly FIFA is going to give the 2030 world cup to Uruguay/Argentina combo-bid to mark the 100th anniversary of the first world cup (Uruguay).

Given the current rules, it means the 2026 world cup will be held by CONCACAF or CAF. Mexico and Canada have already announced they will bid for it. However, I have a feeling FIFA would really love to see Egypt clean up their act and give it to them.

Anonymous said...

Quick, name the South American country that speaks Dutch!

Suriname. Perhaps everyone already knew this?

"It is the only Dutch-speaking country in South America as well as the only independent nation in the Americas where Dutch is spoken..."

"...one of the most ethnically and culturally diverse countries in the world."

Truly a future-of-the-world and HBD country, check out the demographics. A shout out to Dr. Van Nostrand:

"Hindustani form the largest major group at 37% of the population. They are descendants of 19th-century contract workers from India."


Never heard of this old history before:

"Jodensavanne (Dutch, 'Jewish Savanna') was an attempt to establish an autonomous Jewish territory in Suriname...

In 1639, the English government allowed Sephardi Jews from the Netherlands, Portugal and Italy to settle the region...

The Jewish community acquired great internal autonomy, with work dedicated to the sugar-cane plantation...

The colony strived to survive until it was destroyed in 1832 by a slave revolt and resulting fire."

Anonymous said...

“What was so great about Brazil? As far as he knew, Brazil was a shithole full of morons obsessed with soccer and Formula One. It was the ne plus ultra of violence, corruption and misery. If ever a country were loathsome, that country, specifically, was Brazil.
“‘Sophie,’ announced Bruno, ‘I could go on vacation to Brazil tomorrow. I’d look around a favela. The minibus would be armor-plated; so in the morning, safe, unafraid, I’d go sightseeing, check out eight-year-old murderers who dream of growing up to be gangsters; thirteen-year-old prostitutes dying of AIDS. I’d spend the afternoon at the beach surrounded by filthy-rich drug barons and pimps. I’m sure that in such a passionate, not to mention liberal, society I could shake off the malaise of Western civilization. You’re right, Sophie: I’ll go straight to a travel agent as soon as I get home.’"
-Houllebecq, "The Elementary Particles"

Jefferson said...

[QUOTE]Brazil. The Latin American country with the most blacks. It's also the most violent. Coincidence? I think not.[/QUOTE]

In raw numbers it is the Latin American country with the most Blacks, but percentage wise Brazil is not the Latin American country with the most Blacks. There are other Latin American countries especially in the Caribbean, with a higher percentage of Blacks than Brazil.

And on a per capita basis, Brazil is definitely not the most violent country in Latin America.

Countries like Honduras, Puerto Rico, El Salvador, Colombia, Guatemala, The Dominican Republic, Colombia, and Venezuela all have a HIGHER PER CAPITA MURDER RATE than Brazil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

When it comes to statistics on violent crimes like murder, per capita is the best indicator not raw numbers.

Raw numbers are useless because if we were to use raw numbers as an indicator of how violent a country is, than The United States would be a more dangerous country to live in than Papua New Guinea for example.

Because in raw numbers there are more people being murdered in the U.S than in Papua New Guinea.

Anonymous said...

"I went to the southern part of Brazil a few years ago. You could tell instantly when you were in German-settled area; the streets became immaculately clean, the buildings beautifully maintained, etc."

You can see the same thing in Missouri and Illinois where some small towns were settled by Germans and others by Anglo-Americans. You see Lutheran, Catholic, and UCC Churches in the nice towns and Baptist ones in the not as nice towns.

George said...

I was at the Maracana a couple of years ago. No more standing, just seating, with a capacity of 80000 or so. The moat was still there, just in case. In the recent Confederations Cup the stadium capacity was reduced to 75000 and no moat. I guess the authories are trying to so the world they are now civilizedin time for the World Cup.

Mr. Anon said...

"Jefferson said...

When it comes to statistics on violent crimes like murder, per capita is the best indicator not raw numbers."

What a ridiculous, condescending post. Yes, anyone who is not an idiot knows this. You are not the first to recognize the importance of ratios.

According to many of the other posters here (I know next to nothing about Brazil), different parts of Brazil have different ethnic make-ups. So what is the per-capita murder rate by region? That would be the interesting question.

Anonymous said...

Well,
Brazil have large white, castizo,quintoroon and octoroon populations and this balanced violence rates. But in central americans like Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador it don't happen, majority of population are mestizo.
You can sure about this, in Brazil any regions populated by aleatory black populations are most violent and poor than ''white'' or ''asian'' counterparts.
Other explainations to 'relatively low violence' than little central american country can be genetic brazilians. Specialy in south and southern brazilians majority of population have more european blood. For example, in Rio and São Paulo, blacks have 40-60% caucasian blood predominant, 'pardos' tend to have more 80% and 'whites' more 90%.
This factor contributed to increase violence rates but no very much.

biff said...

Remember the Arthur Clarke story about the 100k soccer fans, the mirrored program notes, and the vaporized ref?

Larry's Ghost said...

He was tied up, beaten, stoned and quartered. They then put his head on a stake and planted it in the middle of the pitch.

Ah sudden jihad syndrome.

Chino Moreno said...

I'm so envious to those who will be able to watch the game live. I hope I could watch it live too, even from afar.. :/
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