October 3, 2013

Which KKK-infested county is this?

Try to guess which county (or which city or which state) this is:
Blacks are 5.5 times more likely than whites to be unemployed in YYY County. 
Three-quarters of the county’s African-American children live in poverty, compared to 5 percent of white children. 
Half of all black high school students don’t graduate on time, compared to 16 percent of white children. 
African-American children are 15 times more likely than their white counterparts to land in foster care. And black juveniles are six times more likely to be arrested than white juveniles. 
Those are some of the findings released Wednesday in a report, “Race to Equity,” by the XXX [state] Council on Children and Families. The report compared 40 indicators of well-being for YYY County residents, mostly between 2007 and 2011. In nearly every category, the study found, blacks, who make up 6.5 percent of the county’s population, fare much worse than whites. 
Eighteen months in the making, the report is offered as a baseline against which future efforts to close racial disparities in YYY County can be measured. It seeks to encapsulate and expand on previous studies that showed racial gaps in educational attainment, poverty, employment, participation in the criminal justice system and other indicators. 
Although some indicators show improvement — for example, arrests of black juveniles and adults is down significantly over the past four years — most of the numbers are bleak. 
“It’s no secret that we’ve had these disparities. A lot of groups have been working on this,” said Bob Jacobson, spokesman for the council. “But the approach to tackling the problem hasn’t been coordinated and comprehensive, which is really what’s needed.” 
Disparities are common across the United States, the report said, but the gap between the quality of life for whites and blacks is much worse in YYY County, the epicenter for progressive politics in XXX and often ranked among one of the best places in America to live. 
Rural or urban, north or south, across the United States, YYY County is “rock bottom” when it comes to racial disparities, Jacobson said, adding, “It’s really jarring.”

Any guesses?

A few hints:

- Obama won 71.0% of the vote in YYY County in 2012.

- ZZZ, the county seat of YYY County, is also the capital of the state of  XXX.

- ZZZ is a famous college town.

- I've often pointed out that the state of XXX, despite being admirable in numerous ways, has been terrible for African-Americans (and vice-versa). Blacks seem to do better in Texas or Georgia than this culturally quite different place, which has deep liberal roots going back to the eras of the Progressive and Socialist Parties.

- The Onion was founded here in 1988.

Ready to guess?

You can find this article in in the hometown newspaper here.

61 comments:

Anonymous said...

I had guessed New Haven.

Damn.

Art Deco said...

Wisconsin.

Anonymous said...

And? This should be proof positive that even in the most liberal, diverse, affirmative-action loving parts of the country blacks can't compete.

As a group.

Maybe we should stop comparing people as Groups and thinking group differences are a PROBLEM that needs to be fixed.

Art Deco said...

Dane County

Anonymous said...

I lived 6 years in Madison in Middle School and High School in the late 80's early 90's.

Although there were supposedly blacks at my high school (West High) to a percentage of around 10% or so, they were essentially invisible until it came time to take a class picture a few weeks before graduation.

There were zero blacks in advanced or regular math, zero blacks in regular or advanced science, zero blacks in regular social studies classes, zero blacks in English, and zero blacks in the foreign language classes. Since they weren't in any of these classes, they also didn't join us even in gym, study hall, or drivers-ed, since those classes were timed to the others. If you accidentally ventured deep into one of the bowels of the school, you would occassionally run into groups of blacks in shop classes, typing, or remedial/special ed. classes. Apparently they were hidden down there all day long, working away at whatever the school had them doing. It certainly wasn't normal academic learning. I also recall running into a few in the tutoring room, and they held down some speed positions on the football team.

For all intents and purposes, the school might as well have been run by the KKK or been located in Strom Thurmond or George Wallace's deep south. Apparently, there wasn't a single black with the academic competency to merely be with average white kids at the school (admittedly though, West High is a rather special and elite group of white kids academically).

The white West High basketball team did win the state championship in 1991 or 1992 against an all-black Milwaukee team.

Apparently things haven't changed. I was visiting out there this summer, and was pleased to see the town was still a paradasical version of the 1950's America in most parts. Maybe you can get away from it all in the Big-10 States and New England.

ricpic said...

Doesn't really matter where. Even blacks in undemanding steady income jobs, think government, accumulate a tiny percentage of the wealth in property, savings and investments that their white equivalents accumulate. Almost zero future orientation, that's why. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with their white employers, supporters, neighbors or even enemies. It's all their own doing. Unbelievable, the white concern, totally futile concern, about blacks.

John said...

I went to college in Madison. Believe me, the blacks in Wisconsin are in a sad, sad shape.

Dahlia said...

Singing the blues in Madison? Here's something from Mississippi to help:

Hard time's is here
An ev'rywhere you go
Times are harder
Than th'ever been befo'

countenance said...

Wisconsin, with its relatively generous welfare, seems to be a magnet for the bellcurviest kinds of Africanus Bellcurvius.

And also...if the white people of Madison, Wisconsin of all places can't get rid of its Kluxer propensity to oppress blacks, then I guess it can't be done.

Luke Lea said...

The onion gave it away, but I had already guessed Madison. Or is it Ann Arbor -- no, has to be Madison.

Luke Lea said...

Keep in mind that the whites in Madison are probably way above average. That skews the results. You'd see the same thing in Boulder -- if you can find any blacks there.

Tim/Cyril said...

I guessed Madison correctly. Another capital that's a famous college town doesn't immediately spring to mind.

A relevant fact is that Wisconsin had unusually high AFDC benefits before welfare reform in 96. Jason DeParle's American Dream: Three Women, Ten Kids, and a Nation’s Drive to End Welfare (2005) reports that in 1991 roughly 25% of new AFDC cases in Milwaukee involved families that moved to Wisconsin in the past three months. Many of these would be lower performers among Chicago's blacks. Ergo...

(I don't know if 1991 was a representative or exceptional year, in that regard. The extent to which black families moved across state lines for welfare benefits has been hugely controversial topic among liberal social scientists, for obvious reasons.)

DeParle's book is, in part, a detailed study of three black families in Milwaukee (at least one of whom explicitly moved north for better benefits). It was the subject of a characteristically fine review-essay by Christopher Jencks in the NYRB.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2005/dec/15/what-happened-to-welfare/?pagination=false

That said, conservatives shouldn't get too excited about the history of AFDC in Wisconsin. It's likely only a partial explanation of the state's unusually large disparities between blacks and whites.

Mr. Anon said...

Clearly, all of those left-wing lesbians in Madison are inveterate racists.

Anonymous said...

Professor Kevin MacDonald originates from Wisconsin. The $S$PLC/ADL are fighting a valiant battle to reduce his latent influence over the school boards, housing authority etc

Hunsdon said...

Tim---or maybe Cyril---said: I guessed Madison correctly. Another capital that's a famous college town doesn't immediately spring to mind.


Hunsdon said: Austin.

theo the kraut said...

@Steve, terribly OT:

I just checked your video at
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Flawless presentation, but ...your suit is not quite in synch with the recommendations at www.realmenrealstyle.com/visual-suit-fit-guide (badly drawn, but you get the drift)

You know how important, say, executive hair is,* as silly at that is, so I recommend some suit-wise improvements. Silly does it--goes for both the great unwashed and the swipples.

* that said, is Mr Obama's hair executive?! And what about the ears?

Maguro said...

Shocking. The place must be chock full of microaggressions.

agnostic said...

At first I was thinking Minneapolis or Milwaukee, but I'd already seen a bunch of data / reports like this one.

It's a little unfair since it's a college town and the white kids there are smarter than white kids elsewhere.

You might think sunshine and vitamin D would play a role in stunting black development more than white. But blacks in Seattle do pretty well, so that isn't the whole story.

I think they just need a rowdier bunch of whites to keep them in line and on their toes. Scotch-Irish and Irish in America. Lots of them in the Pacific NW and the Deep South. Not so much in New England or the Old Northwest.

Perhaps a more Puritanical / severe Scandinavian culture also demotivates fun-loving blacks in a way that rambunctious, rib-poking Celtic culture does not. Like, life's such a drag, why bother?

Anonymous said...

Related:

Wisconsin Prisons Incarcerate Most Black Men In U.S.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/features/npr.php?id=228733846

I doubt that headline is literally accurate. They probably meant per capita.

agnostic said...

There are hardly any blacks in Scotland, especially in the early 1980s, yet it seems like every other New Wave band had a black drummer or bass player. Even the most overtly Celtic-revivalist like Big Country.

Celts are also more openly racist, or at least aren't afraid to stare down or talk back to a black out of fear of the PC police. Anglos and Scandinavians are more likely to ignore the problem and outsource it to social workers / bureaucracy to deal with.

Ultimately the paternalistic attitude has done more to demotivate and demoralize blacks. It's like, "What, these honkies don't think we're worth talking back to? Like we're just a trail of mud that they're trying to step out of the way of? Or some little boy whose bad behavior the weenie parents just ignore?"

Celts are more likely to treat blacks like any other group of human beings, i.e. to show them no special treatment at all. It stings every once in awhile when some drunk Irish bum gets all up in your face. But long-term it gives you a sense of being closer to the mainstream's level, someone who they'd treat like they would one of their own.

Tim/Cyril said...

Duh, Madison and Austin. That's embarrassing.

Is there a third? Boston's too big.

Anonymous said...

A lot of groups have been working on this,” said Bob Jacobson, spokesman for the council. “But the approach to tackling the problem hasn’t been coordinated and comprehensive, which is really what’s needed.”

I am glad Mr. Jacobson is one the case.

Anonymous said...

An interesting and informative piece. Unfortunately it doesn't count because:

Wisconsin votes Democrat (last seven presidential elections) and Dane County voted overwhelmingly for Obama.

Even the fact that Wisconsin looks like a red state when it comes to abortion and gay rights does not count.

see here: http://host.madison.com/news/local/writers/jack_craver/abortion-and-gay-rights-wisconsin-looks-like-a-red-state/article_425d1350-ffa0-11e2-bdd7-0019bb2963f4.html)

As long as you vote Democrat in general and Obama in particular the media will give you a pass no matter how racist/sexist/homophobic/antiabortion you happen to be.

Silly Steve. When it comes to politics do you really believe either facts or evidence matter?

Anonymous said...

About 50 percent of Dane county is Scandinavian and German. As others have noted, the quality of the population there makes things look worse for blacks.

Most liberals in Dane really are liberal, unlike the Irish in Boston or the Jews in New York.

Anonymous said...

I once met a group of education students in Wisconsin who couldn't wait to graduate and teach in inner-city Chicago. Since I'm from the South, they had to lecture about racism in places they had never been. They also assumed my opinions, since I never said a word. I'd love to know how Chicago worked out for them!

FWIW, southern culture is not Celtic, whatever that is. Appalachian culture extended into backwoods Maine. The North and South are/were different in many ways, but the basic culture started out pretty much the same.

ironrailsironweights said...

If it weren't for the Onion reference I would have guessed Boston.

Peter

Anonymous said...

Hmm. That is strange.

My guesses -

It's close to Chicago and gets a certain overflow of desperate cases.

It's size. It doesnt' have Cabrini Green, but then it doesn't have Obama types either.

LL Says: "That skews the results. You'd see the same thing in Boulder -- if you can find any blacks there."
Well, that'd be something to see.

McGillicuddy said...


It's a little unfair since it's a college town and the white kids there are smarter than white kids elsewhere.

Madison is not a college town in the same way that Iowa City and Champaign are. It’s a large city with several suburbs; Dane county has half a million people.
It’s a pretty up-scale metro area, but it’s not just a bunch of college kids.

Even if it were just a little college town, unless it were a crappy area where the townie population was much blacker than the state as a whole, I don’t see how being a college town would make a difference.

I lived in Madison for a while, and I’m aware of the ‘bad blacks of Wisconsin’ phenomenon, bad why they should do any worse than Milwaukee blacks, I don’t know. I would think that whatever is drawing higher-status whites, would draw the same kind of blacks.

Bantam said...

But Steve, haven't geneticists demonstrated that race is biologically not a reality?

Just check.

Anonymous said...

Steve, OT but did you hear about how Carnegie Hall stagehands make $400,000 per year?

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/02/carnegie-hall-opening-gala-canceled/

"They are among the highest-paid performers at Carnegie Hall, even though they do not play a note: they are the stagehands of Local 1, whose average total compensation of more than $400,000 a year is more than some of the hall’s top executives earn. Little happens on Carnegie’s stages without them."

Maxwell Power said...

Madison seems geographically odd for a capital, sort of like a northern version of Tampa Bay with no harbor

Anonymous said...

Black africans would do well to such northerly climes, they won't get enough vitamin d and will be more likely to get prostate cancer and asthma.

eah said...

Blacks in Wisconsin are paralyzed by 'stereotype threat' in the face of 'white privilege', especially in a city with lots of 'privileged' Whites like Madison. In addition, they live in "America's Dairyland", and are significantly more likely to suffer from some degree of lactose intolerance, which they fail to recognize and so they underperform because they often just plain don't feel well.

Obviously.

QED.

Any guesses?

Unfortunately, I moused over one of the links as I was trying to think of a famous college town that also happens to be a state capital. My bad.

Anti-Democracy Activist said...

Also OT: It turns out someone did the alphanumerics on the Obamacare help support line, and it works out to 1-800-F1UCKYO

Story at Zerohedge: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-03/have-questions-obamacare-call-1-800-f-u-ckyo

Anonymous said...

Black population in Madison is rising fast. Much of the influx seems to be from Chicago's projects.

Anonymous said...

Was going to say my hometown, Milwaukee :)

stari_momak said...

Man, I thought of Madison, but for some reason I was under the impression that Eau Claire is the Capital of the Cheese Dominion.

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

Even the fact that Wisconsin looks like a red state when it comes to abortion and gay rights does not count."

They don't look so red (i.e. blue, really) on gay rights. Just last year, Wisconsin elected the first openly lesbian senator.

Anonymous said...

It says people with lower education have a hard time getting jobs in the area, but its liberal and had historically been more generous welfare-wise. So the more hardworking blacks avoid the area in favor of places with more jobs for them. Which means the blacks Madison ends up with are the ones too lazy or screwed up to work for a living.

Also, my personal experience in Minnesota and Iowa is that blacks don't really like living there. The weather is terrible, the night life sucks, and you're surrounded by quiet, reserved Scandinavians and Germans. You talk in the normal black fashion (loud and exclamatory), and people glance in your direction like you're nuts.

So these areas mostly get the dregs of the black community.

Also, from my personal experience, a lot of blacks who move to these areas are criminals. There's a relatively untapped drug market, and the local white criminals are pathetic pushovers.

Maxwell Power said...

"They are among the highest-paid performers at Carnegie Hall, even though they do not play a note: they are the stagehands of Local 1, whose average total compensation of more than $400,000 a year is more than some of the hall’s top executives earn. Little happens on Carnegie’s stages without them."

http://www.hark.com/clips/xvbrcwklmg-guidance-counselor

Anonymous said...

Did you happen to see the street address of the county clerk's office?

Breadbasket said...

This influx has happened in last 15yrs and almost all of them are section 8's, mostly from Chicago. You never used to see crime in Mad City like you do now and it seems to be getting worse. Certain areas are a no go and college students are easy prey. By the way, liberals in Madison tend to live in areas like Verona and Middleton, which are seeing more section 8 housing. Interesting to see how they respond to that because those areas are as white as they come. Suburbs in towns like Dallas and Atlanta are much more mixed,contrary to popular stereotype.

Breadbasket said...

I have alot of experience in the Madison area. Suburbs like Verona and Middleton are lilly white, but now seeing more section 8 housing. Heck, New Glarus, a picturesque Swiss town 25 miles south is getting section 8 transfers. When I was in Dallas and Atlanta, the population was not nearly as segregated, so it will be interesting to see how the Madison liberals. I can say one thing, Madison is a much more dangerous place then even 10 yrs. ago. The Chicago section 8 influx seems to perfectly correlate with that.

FWG said...

My parents are from southern WI and every time I go back the area seems more depressing. Factories closing, more NAMs from IL and Milwaukee. And everyone seems so old. It seems much different from 1990 or so, the earliest I can remember.

d.... said...

My secure undisclosed location
is famously liberal except when it comes to electing mayors, although the upcoming election will probably be a liberal interregnum.

And I'm noticing something mighty weird: blacks are being replaced in virtually all the sub-professional help positions they formerly had a lock on. Specifically I am thinking of doctor's assistants, dental techs, x-ray techs, etc. They are being replaced by Asians and Hispanics, especially the latter. The majority of big hospital nurses are still black but even that's changing. In small offices the demographic shift is striking.

I think this is a phenomenon worth examining.

Jonathan Silber said...

...stagehands of Local 1, whose average total compensation of more than $400,000 a year is more than some of the hall’s top executives earn.

Good to know: I'm just now finishing up a Masters in Stagehandology, and once I get licensed, I'll be a Certified Stagehandologist.

In the beginning, of course, I'll have to work the crap assignments Stage Left; but if I do good, and keep my nose clean, I can hope one day to get some of those cushy assignments Stage Right.

pat said...

You might be interested to know that I haven't felt the need to refer to any of your writings about race. So next time someone calls you a racist you can tell them that. Your discussions of race are too mainstream now to be of much use to me in making my little controversial videos.

But don't worry, I have plans for you. I actually started making videos so as to popularize some of your ideas on education. Race is kind old old hat now. Even O'Reilly harangues about black crime.

As far as I have been able to determine, you have made your most original contributions about education issues. I won't get to education in my video series for a couple months yet but I intend to use you as a principal authority when I do. Maybe a little Charles Murray too. Not bad company.

My dream is to become so revered that I can bore my viewership with Italian Opera anecdotes the way you bore your readers with golf course design stories.

Albertosaurus

gubbler of the church of reformed chechenism said...

"Black population in Madison is rising fast. Much of the influx seems to be from Chicago's projects."

White Flight is what conservatives do. RUN FROM THE NEGROES, often into suburbs!!

White Unite is what liberals do. Come together into a tight urban or college town communities.

White Flight disperses, White Unite concentrates, which is why latter has more power.

White cons need to come up with creative means to cyber-unite the dispersed whites of con persuasion.

Is there a single major urban culture that is conservative? Even in red states, cities are generally dominated by libs.

Anonymous said...

I'd just like to point out that most coastal liberal elites probably DO think that Madison is KKK infested country.

Anonymous said...

1. Madison has a lot of upscale white collar jobs (the university, software/technology, etc.). This probably raises the cost of living while generating income for people who aren't exactly underclass blacks.

2. I was in rural Sauk County last weekend (across the Wisconsin River from Dane) and saw more than a couple Mexicans there. No doubt employers in Wisconsin (and greater Chicagoland) like switching out an unemployable black underclass for employable Hispanic helots. Of course, this leaves the country as a whole with an underclass *and* a helot class. Hurrah for diversity!

Having said that, I should add that the flagship Culver's in Sauk City was staffed by white kids, which was a pleasant surprise. I'd be glad to pay more in the Chicago area to any establishment that employed American kids rather than random Oaxacans.

Now that I think about it, I remember Jonah Goldberg saying on a Ricochet podcast a while ago that he loved eating at Culver's because you were served by "all-American kids straight out of the 1950s" (I'm paraphrasing). Of course, in Mr. Goldberg's world, this has absolutely nothing to do with demographics. No sir, nothing at all. Everything is fungible in our Proposition Nation!

3. The Democratic/liberal tendency of northern whites is very frustrating for this northerner. As Steve says, there is much to admire about the Germanic culture of Wisconsin. More generally, the liberalism(s) of many northern states like Oregon, Vermont, or Wisconsin would be easy enough to tolerate if they didn't have this bloody fixation with Diversity and Huddled Masses.

The dissident right needs places like Wisconsin on board, and, needless to say, places like Wisconsin need the dissident right in order to be saved from themselves.

Anonymous said...

Bantam said...

But Steve, haven't geneticists demonstrated that race is biologically not a reality?

Just check.


I like National Geographic, but it can be tedious when it gets on a high horse about diversity or climate change.

In the case of climate change, I'm not in any position to dispute the science, but there's only so much hectoring about melting glaciers one cares to read.

In the case of diversity...well, you know.

Shut up and tell me about climbing mountains, discovering new species, space exploration, etc.

Anonymous said...

"It seeks to encapsulate and expand on previous studies that showed racial gaps in educational attainment, poverty, employment, participation in the criminal justice system and other indicators."

I shot a man in Reno just to participate in the criminal justice system.

Jefferson 18 said...

Scandinavians on average are physically the Whitest of all Caucasoid ethnic groups, because they have the lowest rates of brown eyes and dark brown/black hair.

You would think they would be the most racist against Blacks because of their very uber physical Whiteness. But it is the opposite, they seem to be the ones with the most positive opinion of Blacks.

From my personal experience, some of the most racist Caucasians I have ever met are descendent from Caucasoid countries where blonde hair and blue eyes are in the minority.

I have a Maltese American friend who says the most racist politically incorrect jokes about Hispanics and African Americans. The type of jokes that would make the average Nordic Scandinavian and WASP cringe and be appalled.

And anybody who knows what the Maltese people tend to look like, would know they fall on the darker end of the Caucasian spectrum. So most of them definitely do not look like Nicole Kidman and Chris Hemsworth.


Anonymous said...

When our side uses statistics like IQ, graduation rates, out-of-wedlock birth rates, etc., to try to shape public policy on topics such as immigration and education, we are denounced as racist and told that you cannot group people together. You have to take individuals on an individual basis. Then it is pointed out to us about that fabulous black doctor, or the fact that Jeffrey Dahmer was white.

Yet the very stuff the other side accuses of us is exactly what they do to justify huge government expenditures on programs that are essentially a waste. Take these quotes from that article:

Blacks are 5.5 times more likely than whites to be unemployed in YYY County.

Three-quarters of the county’s African-American children live in poverty, compared to 5 percent of white children....


I thought we were not supposed to think of people as groups. I thought we were supposed to think of them as individuals. Yet these are the types of stats that are used to justify more government spending rather than operating a Singapore-like immigration system.

A similar point can be made about noticing demographics. People who read iSteve are said to be consumed with race and ethnicity. But isn't it Uncle Sam who is most interested in those topics?

Corn said...

"White Flight disperses, White Unite concentrates, which is why latter has more power. "

That's a good point, but what to do about it?

We want white conservatives reproducing, and white conservatives don't want to raise children in cities.

Anonymous said...

@ Corn

More accurate to say white conservatives can't afford to raise kids in cities

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

I shot a man in Reno just to participate in the criminal justice system."

That's funny. But it really should be "to participate in the judicial process". We don't do things anymore - we participate in processes. People don't vote; they participate in the democratic process. They don't grieve or heal - they go through greaving or healing processes.

Anonymous said...

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2013/sep/26/libya-next-colonel/

Svigor said...

When our side uses statistics like IQ, graduation rates, out-of-wedlock birth rates, etc., to try to shape public policy on topics such as immigration and education, we are denounced as racist and told that you cannot group people together. You have to take individuals on an individual basis. Then it is pointed out to us about that fabulous black doctor, or the fact that Jeffrey Dahmer was white.

Libs have no principles. If they did, they'd stop being libs. Starting from principles and working toward positions is disastrous for liberalism.

They scream "correlation is not causation!" when anyone mentions mean black IQ or the like, then they turn around and scream about how the correlation between more gun laws and less violent crime proves the former causes the latter. They don't have principles, they have a playbook.

Matthew said...

The argument that 'whites in Madison are better so the gap doesn't mean they're more racist' is irrelevant.

The point is that there's a bigger gap, and that makes Madisonians more racist, just as the mere existence of a nationwide black/white gap makes Americans more racist.

Blacks in America do a hell of a lot better than blacks in Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Somalia, or anywhere else in Africa, but we get no credit for that, do we?

Follow the logic of the Left to its rational conclusion. You have a white couple with three white, biological children who are all National Merit Scholars. They have an adopted black child who is merely average. That gap means the entire family is racist.

Anonymous said...

From my personal experience, some of the most racist Caucasians I have ever met are descendent from Caucasoid countries where blonde hair and blue eyes are in the minority.... I have a Maltese American friend who says the most racist politically incorrect jokes about Hispanics and African Americans.

I wonder where True Caucasians fit on that scale?