From Slate:
It's okay for Weigel to spot the pattern that Zimmerman apparently spotted the pattern of which demographic is most likely to engage in crime against his community, because Weigel is engaging in pattern recognition in the service of approved Who? Whom? morality.
Keeping that in mind, we can therefore see that this new story from the Miami Herald showing that poor Trayvon apparently had been connected to burglary only makes Zimmerman's pattern recognizing that much more culpable:
From the Miami Herald:
George Zimmerman's Long, Lonely War Against Black Youths Doing Things
By David Weigel | Posted Friday, March 23, 2012, at 1:37 PM ET
Adam Weinstein and Matt DeLuca have pulled the logs of 911 calls that George Zimmerman made before this year's shooting. Spot the pattern. From Weinstein:
In August 2011, he called to report a black male in a tank top and shorts acting suspicious near the development's back entrance. "[Complainant] believes [subject] is involved in recent S-21s"—break-ins—"in the neighborhood," the call log states. The suspect, Zimmerman told the dispatcher, fit a recent description given out by law enforcement officers.
Three days later, he called to report two black teens in the same area, for the same reason. "[Juveniles] are the subjs who have been [burglarizing] in this area," he told the dispatcher.
From DeLuca:
On April 22, 2011, Zimmerman called to report a black male about “7-9” years old, four feet tall, with a “skinny build” and short black hair. There is no indication in the police report of the reason for Zimmerman’s suspicion of the boy.
Add this to Trayvon call, when Zimmerman apparently muttered a racial slur, and you have to ask if Zimmerman had a hang-up about young black men in the gated community.
It's okay for Weigel to spot the pattern that Zimmerman apparently spotted the pattern of which demographic is most likely to engage in crime against his community, because Weigel is engaging in pattern recognition in the service of approved Who? Whom? morality.
Keeping that in mind, we can therefore see that this new story from the Miami Herald showing that poor Trayvon apparently had been connected to burglary only makes Zimmerman's pattern recognizing that much more culpable:
From the Miami Herald:
As thousands of people gathered here to demand an arrest in the Trayvon Martin case, a more complicated portrait began to emerge of a teenager whose problems at school ranged from getting spotted defacing lockers to getting caught with a marijuana baggie and women’s jewelry.
The Miami Gardens teen who has become a national symbol of racial injustice was suspended three times, and had a spotty school record that his family’s attorneys say is irrelevant to the facts that led up to his being gunned down on Feb. 26.
In October, a school police investigator said he saw Trayvon on the school surveillance camera in an unauthorized area “hiding and being suspicious.” Then he said he saw Trayvon mark up a door with “W.T.F” — an acronym for “what the f---.” The officer said he found Trayvon the next day and went through his book bag in search of the graffiti marker.
Instead the officer reported he found women’s jewelry and a screwdriver that he described as a “burglary tool,” according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police report obtained by The Miami Herald. Word of the incident came as the family’s lawyer acknowledged that the boy was suspended in February for getting caught with an empty bag with traces of marijuana, which he called “irrelevant” and an attempt to demonize a victim.
Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds.
Trayvon was asked if the jewelry belonged to his family or a girlfriend.
“Martin replied it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” he responded, according to the report. Trayvon declined to name the friend.
Trayvon was not disciplined because of the discovery, but was instead suspended for graffiti, according to the report. School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation. ...
No evidence ever surfaced that the jewelry was stolen.
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He called the police on a 7-9 year old. Jeeez that one made me spit out my gum...
"I'm going to follow him"
"No, George we don't need you to do that"
Click
"Shiiiiit he pooped."
LMAO
in the Howard Beach II case blacks ADMITTED they were in the neighborhood to steal cars. the italian guy who chased them out got 15 years. Welcome to marxist run america.
Trayvon...
1. Was a burglar
2. Was a drug user and maybe a dealer
3. Bunched a bus driver
4. Shot cars with a paintball gun
5. Was truant from school
Weigel is such a hack attacking people on their Trayvon reporting when he's pushing that bogus "coons" nonsense.
Truth said:
"He called the police on a 7-9 year old. Jeeez that one made me spit out my gum..."
I had a bike stolen by black kids that age.
Doesn't it count if someone below a certain age steals?
"Then he said he saw Trayvon mark up a door with “W.T.F” "
Travyon was just involved the the Win The Future initiative.
Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds.
You mean that he is a transvestite who likes wearing women's jewelery and he enjoys repairing things?
Seems like an angel to me.
I've been covering this story at length as well:
Racial Original Sin and New Details on Trayvon Martin's background
Weigel's been one of the worst on this. I can't stand that guy anymore. He wrote this tonight:
"The content: Really, really banal. After 20 minutes of scanning, I found a lot of disturbingly poor English (this is how kids write text messages, right?) and some occasional horndog bragging."
I love it how he a.) conflates "black twitter jive" with "how kids write text messages" and b.) he doesn't look far enough in to Martin's tweets to see where he writes about weed and selling weed.
The police were called over 200 times in 2011 to the gated community where Zimmerman lived. Lots of crime. Sanford FL has more crime than 97% of American cities. Most of it is done by you know who.
Ha, ha, ha! The whole media reaction to this story is so unbelievably hilarious. And that goes double for all the media rightwingers---didn't the Hannity idiot say all sorts of stupid things about this case and the National Review editor declare Al Sharpton his personal inspiration?... They're all such a bunch of total morons.
I really think now's the time for our friend "Truth" to apply for a job at National Review. I'm sure they'd take him in a flash since they're always looking for People of Color who have views very close to their own.
Steve: to fix the 200 comments issue, see here:
http://www.ravisaive.in/2012/02/fix-200-comments-pagination-problem-in.html
One of the effective consequences of the attack on Zimmerman is to stop whites from patrolling their neighborhoods and warding off blacks. Of course the Scots-Irish will be free to have their own gated communities. That's completely different.
Anyway, this is the thing. Trayvon issue became big because blacks get angry. If blacks don't get angry over such incidents, it wouldn't be much of an issue.
In contrast, stories about black violence on whites, hispanics, yellows, women, and etc don't get much news because most people do NOT raise a fuss about black violence. The only people to raise a fuss about black loutishness are gays, which is why black-on-gay violence is something that does become an issue.
To be sure, some groups are encouraged while others are discouraged when it comes to complaining. For example, if gays complain of black violence, the liberal media are sympathetic but if whites complained, media would label whites are 'racist'.
Even so, much of the blame must go to non-blacks for being too chicken to raise a fuss, to organize, and to rally and make a big issue about black crime and STATE THAT THE MAIN REASON FOR BLACK CRIME IS BLACKS ARE TOUGHER THAN OTHER RACES! Why do blacks pick on and attack non-blacks? Blacks know they can whup non-black ass.
We need some truth.
Another thing. In some ways, all the white liberal noise about Trayvon is paradoxically the nervous expression of white fears to calm tensions. If whites remain silent while blacks raise all the fuss, then people like Farrakhan and Sharpton will come to own the issue and steer events. But if whites express shock and righteous rage, they send a message that they really really really care and that they'll do something about it, i.e. 'you negroes, please calm down and don't burn down the cities because WE are as upset as you and we will do SOMETHING to bring forth justice.'
Of course, if whites didn't fear blacks, they wouldn't act this way, but they do fear blacks, and so when blacks get angry, whites act like they are just as angry and enraged by injustice.
This way, maybe Negroes won't see the issue as black vs white but all-of-us-enraged-together against Zimmerman and those conservatives who love guns. The fact is if cities burn, white urban/urbane liberals are gonna have to pay for the mess.
And so, white liberals are putting on a big act but really more out of fear of blacks than real outrage.
Anyway, the lesson for the white right is we need activists and provocateurs who exploit issues as Sharpton and Farrakhan do. There are so many more cases of white victims of blacks. Bolsheviks knew how to sensationalize and emotionalize tsarist violence against the people. We need that kind of alternative right provocateurs. And then, the issue of black on white violence will become an issue.
Are you kidding me, Truth? Are you? Don't you live around blacks, even if you are yourself black?
Nine years old? Seven years old? In my school district kids as young as second graders are stealing things from other kids and getting into teacher's purses, taking wallets.
If that surprised you, then I don't know what world you are living in. Sure, it seems an adult should just walk up to the little kid, but then what? Get accused later of child molestation? For a buck?
Speaking of bucks--unless the reports are wrongt (and many news reports have been so I don't know if this is true, only that it's being reported)Martin's parents have a site up taking in contributions.
" Blacks commit lots of crime and violence. It's a fact."
Yeah, and Truth doesn't seem to get that the misbehavior starts young. He laughs.
You don't have kids, Truth? Never been around large groups of them, kids with no supervision at home, kids who see what parents they have acting idiotically?
" Blacks commit lots of crime and violence. It's a fact."
Yeah, and Truth doesn't seem to get that the misbehavior starts young. He laughs.
You don't have kids, Truth? Never been around large groups of them, kids with no supervision at home, kids who see what parents they have acting idiotically?
I think this is WAR is led by liberals through jacking up real estate prices called gentric cleansing.
Liberals do it with education, high income, and economic/political action. The less intelligent and fortunate rely on guns and neighborhood watch, as with Zimmerman.
This is one of those things. London burned because some black hood got shot. And here we go again. Blacks are bad news.
Zimmerman should say he was practicing for his mission in KONY 2012. Practicing killing bad blacks to save the good ones.
Will this story force many neighborhood watches to go easier on reporting black crime? Well, that means more black crime.
I say we live Zimmerman alone. He's just a wise latino youth.
I'm still trying to figure out whom the press would have labeled an "hispanic" rather than a "white hispanic."
???????
Of course the Scots-Irish will be free to have their own gated communities.
the scots irish in williamsburg, brooklyn have their own police and ambulance corp (that only serves scots-irish- when a black girl was hit by a car driven by a scot irish, the scots irish 'paramedic' ignored the dying black girl and whisked away the scots irish to the hostpital for minor scratches. that is was caused the crown heights riots)
I hate to go biographical on someone but Weigel is just out of his depth here and it hinders his ability to write on it. The guy is one more mid-Atlantic warblogger, poli-sci major, nursed in the cocoon of our ever-gentrifying imperial capital the whole of his young career. He has a near encyclopedic command of trivia that is often useful for pundit infighting but also often synonymous with being socially retarded. This type of writer pits himself in opposition to "The Village" yet it's the narcissism of small differences. So I found his concluding "I agree with Allen West, plus: the real problem is partisanship, blah blah" gibberish to be weak and irrelevant. He has no experience of how the world operates away from the white-shoe dealmakers and cookie pushers.
"1. Was a burglar
Objection: Assumes facts not in evidence
2. Was a drug user
Objection: Irrelevant, no drugs found in his system
and maybe a dealer
Objection: Assumes facts not in evidence
3. Bunched a bus driver
Objection: assumes facts not in evidence
4. Shot cars with a paintball gun
Objection: Irrelevant
5. Was truant from school
Objection: Irrelevant
It seems blacks just can't win for losing. They're all-in on this, and it looks increasingly like it's just not there for them.
" The police were called over 200 times in 2011 to the gated community where Zimmerman lived."
They were called there twice to arrest him a few years earlier.
Some other thugs kill people
Steve, you have to post Travyon's twitter account, with the photo of him with the gold teeth and massive tattoos.
Truth: do you agree that young black males commit rapes, murders, and robberies far out of disproportion to their frequency in the population?
"n the Howard Beach II case blacks ADMITTED they were in the neighborhood to steal cars. the italian guy who chased them out got 15 years."
Objection: Misstates the evidence.
Nicolas Minucci was sentenced for beating the defendant with a baseball bat.
Three African American males fled the scene in a Crown Vic
What an embarrassing post. You're just not keeping up.
Trayvon was suspended for punching a bus driver, that's a fact. And as Steve posted, he was also caught with women's jewelry. That. Might not make him a thief in a court of law, but anyone who's intellectually honest would admit he's a thief
" Steve, you have to post Travyon's twitter account, with the photo of him with the gold teeth and massive tattoos."
Objection: leading the witness.
School police impounded the jewelry and sent photos of the items to detectives at Miami-Dade police for further investigation. ... No evidence ever surfaced that the jewelry was stolen.
I'm reminded of the movie Grease where the principal or whoever it is announces that the picture of the mooners will be passed on to the FBI, where they have "experts in that sort of identification."
Can you imagine how low of a priority this case would be for the Miami-Dade police department?
"A juvenile stole some rings? We need to find out who they belonged to! Drop everything! Call Forensics! Let's pull our best guys off of the 187 on beachwood and put them onto this! We'll stop at nothing!"
No, I think this got passed up the latter for CYA reasons (or maybe in an attempt to scare him straight) and then PROMPTLY round-filed.
"the scots irish in williamsburg, brooklyn have their own police and ambulance corp"
That's only the ultra-Orthodox. They are still a tiny minority among Jews in the U.S., and their ways are not our ways.
"Objection: Irrelevant, no drugs found in his system"
No drugs were found on him... but the autopsy results haven't been released yet.
If they find drugs in Trayvon's system then Zimmerman will walk.
Get ready for the race riots...
Zimmerman did not utter a racial slur. He made a reference to F--ing Punks. That's not a racial slur.
The Media and agitators (but I repeat myself) are making things up. To get a riot going. They figure this will "save Obama" against High Gas Prices. Bring out the Nice White Ladies who get a thrill up their leg seeing the "wrong sort of White person" get the Full Reginald Denny Treatment.
Hey -- 20th Anniversary of the LA Riots next month!
Hey its the "Whiskey" and "truth" show.
I'll pass.
"Trayvon was suspended for punching a bus driver,"
Objection: Misstates the evidence.
"Might not make him a thief in a court of law,"
Well now, that's my entire point, Vladimir; there's a good reason we have courts of law, unless you prefer the system in your own home country.
"Zimmerman did not utter a racial slur. He made a reference to F--ing Punks. That's not a racial slur."
Objection: Lacks foundation
As for "stopping neighborhood watch" stuff, that's just asking for shoot-outs. People are stuck. They can't move. Where will they go? In this economy? This is not 1967, when people cleansed out of Detroit or Chicago could leave and find new homes. They are stuck.
That's last war thinking. Pretty dumb. Even Nice White Ladies don't like being afraid of being burglarized (or worse) no matter how much they get a frisson of fear from seeing Reginald Denny types get whacked in the head with a brick by a Black thug.
I think this is WAR is led by liberals through jacking up real estate prices called gentric cleansing.
Liberals do it with education, high income, and economic/political action. The less intelligent and fortunate rely on guns and neighborhood watch, as with Zimmerman.
What's fascinating to me here are the parallels between the lives of the two men who were adopted by Scots-Irish parents: George MacZimmerman, and Andrew MacBreitbart.
Apparently the Scots-Irish adoptive parents could not de-program their adopted sons from eventually re-discovering a certain biologically-endowed socio-political conservatism, but the adoptive Scots-Irish parents did seem to be successful in inculcating in their adopted sons a zest & zeal for socio-political activism [MacZimmerman with his Community Watch program, MacBreitbart with the Drudge Report, Big Hollywood, etc], where each adopted son's choice in socio-political activism is appropriate for his biologically-endowed IQ.
The blood is the life, Mr Rumsfeld!
The blood is the life.
Truth is auditioning for the cover of Bizarro Michael Moore's latest book: Stupid ____ Men.
I often wonder whether he is actually as stupid and incapable of understanding a point as his comments lead one to believe, or whether he thinks he's trolling us and being amusing.
Troof: let me clarify that your comments only help to emphasize that EVEN the smartest and best behaved of your community (such as they are) are largely incapable of logical reasoning.
You refuse to admit that young black males are largely criminals. Aren't 1/3 in jail or something? The rest of them be like young Trayvon Martin:
http://goo.gl/OTwG9
By his own report, his location is "Yo Hoe Crib".
Witty!
The joke is on your community, as you mindlessly parrot the casuistry devised for you by your Scots-Irish enablers. When they lose their fondness for you and yours, as they lost their fondness for the unions and the USSR, they will drop you like a hot potato. As the subsidies stop and the tolerance ebbs, the untrammeled fertility and criminality will come to a crashing halt.
But you don't have enough foresight to understand this.
Trayvon Martin's mother has applied for trademarks on certain phrases containing his name:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/trayvon-martin-trademarks-769123
After all, there is potentially some dough to be made on all those tee-shirts and hoodies. Yes, there is nothing like a mother's love.
"Truth" still doesn't understand Bayesian inference.
Ain't it something--applying for trademarks by the family. Talk about cold....
Johnny Cochran lives!
When this thing is over, Truth should turn his powerful legal mind to the mystery of who really killed Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman. A brother's name needs to be cleared.
Gilbert Pinfold.
The black 7 year old could be used by the parents to facilitate a robbery.
That actually happened in my neighborhood, not with blacks, but with Hispanics....the parents used the children to keep people busy while they robbed a clothing store.
I've watched, as in stood out on the sidewalk, as hispanics robbed the house across the street in broad daylight. At the time I stood in front of the house going "Hey...I didn't know they were moving this weekend" There was a dirty white Moving Van.
Do you have any idea the gall it takes for a group of Hispanics to Rob a House with a dirty moving van??
The perpetrators were maids/gardeners that the people had hired to clean to the house before it went on Open House. So the Hispanics discovered that the house was being sold, so they used the moving van to make it look legit as they robbed stuff.
Also, in my neighborhood people have been robbed (by hispanics) like at 6 am. For example, people get ready for work and leave the garage door open or the car open...Wham. Robbed.
Perhaps even 'gated communities' aren't enough in vibrant, multicultural Florida.
Perhaps full-on medieval style castles with moats, drawbridges, portcullises, sentries and keeps are the way to go.
As an interesting sidenote, it is illuminating to discover why medieval European lords were obsessed with the idea of fortifying their homes. As the saying goes 'there's nothing new under the sun'.
Your point is pointless. You are doing damage control. When the facts and the conclusions people will naturally draw move against you, you switch your position. Now we're supposed to let the law decide what really happened, instead of reaching our own conclusions.
This is duke lacrosse all over again
Perish the thought, Mr Sailer. How dare you insult the memory of Obama's perhaps, maybe, erstwhile son?
No idea if he was a burglar or not. Also no idea what happened when he was shot. But unlike others, that does stop me from blathering on about it.
However, regarding this case what is quite clear is what is happening vis-a-vis the media and people best called 'the usual suspects'. To me this is a lot more interesing. Not to mention instructive.
A brother's name needs to be cleared.
Yes indeed, good thought.
And Truth's help is urgently needed now, because last I heard OJ, who vowed to find the "real killers" himself, is still in jail (on an unrelated matter of course -- all a big misunderstanding). Meaning the search is suspended.
Truth should contact OJ first tho', to find out which golf course OJ last searched before he landed in jail. Because it seemed he was searching for the "real killers" one golf course at a time.
Cold Cash. Jack!
That's only the ultra-Orthodox. They are still a tiny minority among Jews in the U.S.
could you imagine if a christian only ambulance driver whisked away a christian with minor scratches and left a jew to die?
could imagine a quasi government catholic police force patrolling Brooklyn, expressly to protect catholics?
could you imagine special MTA buses that serve catholic specific routes and are defactor catholic only??
Could you imagine if catholic priest put out a call to murder anyone who 'ratted' on them molesting children? Could you imagine if they ran a full page ad in a newspaper stating just that?
"Anonymous said...
Truth is auditioning for the cover of Bizarro Michael Moore's latest book: Stupid ____ Men.
I often wonder whether he is actually as stupid and incapable of understanding a point as his comments lead one to believe, or whether he thinks he's trolling us and being amusing."
Both. He thinks he is amusing. And he is stupid. Incompetent people often have inflated opinions of their own wit and intelligence - they don't realize that that they are incompetent.
Truth
Truth: do you agree that young black males commit rapes, murders, and robberies far out of disproportion to their frequency in the population?"
Murders; no, there are more murders committed by white soldiers in Afghanistan every year than there are here.
For 100,000 whites, 1.21 will be the killer of a white
For 100,000 whites, 0.09 will be the killer of a black
For 100,000 blacks, 1.15 will be the killer of a white
For 100,000 blacks, 6.57 will be the killer of a black
[3106 murders by black offenders in 2009.]
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/tables/ovrelracetab.cfm
I think that Troof has been watching too many court-room dramas.
Rapes; maybe,
Murders; no, there are more murders commited by white soldiers in Afghanistan every year than there are here.
robberies: No, white collar whites rob hundreds of billions of dollars on a weekly basis.
But that makes all the Blacks in the military guilty of felony murder. AFAIK, Blacks are over-represented in the military overall, so your silly logic puts Blacks even more into the red.
"Might not make him a thief in a court of law,"
Well now, that's my entire point, Vladimir; there's a good reason we have courts of law, unless you prefer the system in your own home country.
Full of shit, much? A minute ago it was "more murders commited by white soldiers in Afghanistan," now it's strict legalism.
Truth is a troll and Steve allows him leeway because he drives comments traffic. If there were no 'Truth' Steve would either have to invent one or go trolling himself to bring one to his site.
It is a common strategy to keep up hits on a site.
Anonymous 8:54
In the Crown Heights incident to which you refer:
1) it was a little boy, Gavin Cato, who was killed. His cousin, Angela Cato, was badly injured.
2) police ordered the Hatzolah ambulance to take the driver away as he was the focus of an angry, attacking crowd. Which was making taking care of the children difficult.
3) the children could not be immediately transported, they were trapped under the car
4) a second Hatzolah crew did care for Angela Cato and she was transported by a city ambulance.
The Haredi Jews tend to be insular, xenophobic and self-interested to an extreme degree but don't accuse them of what they have not done.
It would also be preferable if you wouldn't mince around calling Jews "Scot-Irish" - it's not funny any more - go ahead and own your anti-Semitism. Or valid criticism of the Jews, whichever it is.
Pick yourself a screen name so we can tie your comments together.
Truth, we know how these pesky facts will fare in court. That doesn't mean we have to suspend our own powers of judgment.
I think the news media coverage of this has been very biased and one-sided. I think the worst has been Nancy Grace.
"Blacks know they can whup non-black ass."
Especially when the non-blacks are Asians. Where I live it's about 35% Asian. They are the preferred victims. Whites are much less likely to be targeted. Even when the victim is white, he is often a middle easterner which we also have many of here. The run of the mill home grown Texas boy (often with a gun) not so much of a target because of all the affluent easy target Asians. Why challenge a big white Texas man when there are so many small cash carrying/stashing Asians to choose from?
"As an interesting sidenote, it is illuminating to discover why medieval European lords were obsessed with the idea of fortifying their homes."
Lots of medieval lords weren't indigenous. Like the saxons in Wales. Those Celts were pretty tough and they didn't exactly love the new Saxon over lords.
Maybe he was a burglar but as long as he wasn't working for Nixon, it doesn't matter.
"white liberals are putting on a big act but really more out of fear of blacks than real outrage."
You have zero understanding of the white liberal mentality. They are genuinely outraged by this incident and they don't fear blacks the way non-liberals do. They think because they empathize with blacks, they will be spared the worst of black violence. When they aren't, rather than blame blacks, they blame [white] "institutional racism".
Their outrage at white racism is invariably greater than their fear of blacks.
P.S. I see we've had another confusing change in the format of this page.
>no, there are more murders commited by white soldiers in Afghanistan every year than there are here.<
The question stipulated "far out of disproportion to their frequency in the population". Try again.
Interesting post with pictures of gold capped teeth and tats.
http://plancksconstant.org/blog1/2012/03/trayvon_martin_was_a_thug.html
"Perhaps full-on medieval style castles with moats, drawbridges, portcullises, sentries and keeps are the way to go."
I've been thinking this as well. Part of the problem is proximity of those who would do us harm. Not only physical, but proximity through modern transport.
The response of the English to the Vikings (foreigners whose boat building technology enabled proximity) was to first pay Danegeld, and then to build castles. We are still mostly at the Danegeld stage, but a lot of us are starting to see the wisdom of castles. Whether the answer is castles, roving death squads or napalm - one thing is for sure. This situation can't, and won't, last forever.
"Both. He thinks he is amusing. And he is stupid. Incompetent people often have inflated opinions of their own wit and intelligence - they don't realize that that they are incompetent."
You started a paragraph with a one-word sentence, but I'm stupid and incompetent?
" Blacks are over-represented in the military overall, so your silly logic puts Blacks even more into the red."
I thought that was only in support positions.?
"Truth, we know how these pesky facts will fare in court..."
Then you're doing better than me.
"If there were no 'Truth' Steve would either have to invent one "
LOL: Nice going, Voltaire.
And Steve thanks you for driving a comment.
"Even when the victim is white, he is often a middle easterner"
people from the middle east are definitely not europeans. this is why i use "european" and stopped using "white" years ago. the category is broken now, and random people are simply stuffed into it for political purposes. zimmerman being the latest, but now all people from turkey, iran, egypt, iraq, morocco, and armenia are "white" too.
heck, per the US government, every 9/11 terrorist was white.
whatever the official US government statistic is for how "white" america is, i just take 5% off it automatically. there's lot of people who aren't european who are being counted in the "white" category now. so that day of america falling under 50% "white" is actually coming sooner than the numbers say.
"I think that Troof has been watching too many court-room dramas."
He's probably been chatting with his best friend, a "successful criminal defense attorney" who he says called us "racist ass kkkrakkkas" and "ignorant, inbred, hateful bastards."
I bet Perry Mason never talked that way.
Steve,
Where's the due respect that should be accorded to Mr. Weigel? Shame on you.
It's Dave Weigel, JournoList.
"I bet Perry Mason never talked that way."
Hey, you should have heard him after that case he lost!
"'I bet Perry Mason never talked that way.'
Hey, you should have heard him after that case he lost!"
Unlike your foul-mouthed friend, Perry was always a gentleman. I have it on good authority that after losing that case, all Perry said was "Gosh, Della, I sure could use a little 'comfort food' tonight."
Of course, I can't say whether or not "comfort food" was some sort of euphemism or pet phrase and in any case, that would be immaterial and irrelevant.
" Blacks are over-represented in the military overall, so your silly logic puts Blacks even more into the red."
I thought that was only in support positions.?
G**gle is your friend. Read up on "felony murder."
It would also be preferable if you wouldn't mince around calling Jews "Scot-Irish" - it's not funny any more - go ahead and own your anti-Semitism. Or valid criticism of the Jews, whichever it is.
Pick yourself a screen name so we can tie your comments together.
Liberal sociopathic tendency #31945286: Smash people in the face for violating a taboo you created; then, goad them into violating the taboo you created by calling them cowards if they don't.
Especially when the non-blacks are Asians. Where I live it's about 35% Asian. They are the preferred victims. Whites are much less likely to be targeted. Even when the victim is white, he is often a middle easterner which we also have many of here. The run of the mill home grown Texas boy (often with a gun) not so much of a target because of all the affluent easy target Asians. Why challenge a big white Texas man when there are so many small cash carrying/stashing Asians to choose from?
No, no, no, you RACIST!!! Blacks are tougher and more athletic than Whites, not Yellows. And Yellows are smarter and more studious than Whites, not Blacks.
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"Of course, I can't say whether or not "comfort food" was some sort of euphemism or pet phrase and in any case, that would be immaterial and irrelevant."
Hey you've been on a roll lately. Mr. Sportette must be saying and doing all of the right things.
Two things: I don't think Blacks are overrepresented in the military any more. And calling someone a "F--ing Punk" — couldn't that be regarded as disparate impact?
"No, no, no, you RACIST!!! Blacks are tougher and more athletic than Whites, not Yellows. And Yellows are smarter and more studious than Whites, not Blacks."
And who, exactly came up with this theory you are lampooning, again?
"Truth said...
You started a paragraph with a one-word sentence, but I'm stupid and incompetent?"
Yes. Yes, you are.
Truth, there's nothing that flies in the face of Standard English usage by using a one word sentence, at all or to start a paragraph. Understand?
". Understand?"
A sentence has a subject and a verb. "Do you understand", is proper. "Understand." Is ebonics.
Truth et al.
Zimmerman didn't call the cops about the 7-9 year old black kid because he suspected him of a crime. He called the cops, according to the 911 call log from the Stanford police (4/22/2011), because he was "concerned for [the kid's] well being" as he was "walking alone" and was "not supervised"
Christ, this guy reminds me of when I used to live in Florida. People would call the police on you for ANYTHING. Come to think of it it, the neighborhood was all jewish, so the callers were too, must be a jewish thing. Unfortunately, this CALL THE COPS FOR ANYTHING has thouroughly spread throughout the country and society, making life that much worse.I wouldnt call the cops on my worst enemy, not even a black thug.
I am thoroughly unimpressed on what was dug up on this kid, let me say why. When I grew up lots of kids drank, smoked pot, stole, grafittied, but that was just part of life. The difference is now adays you go to jail, or get suspended from school, for picking your nose. I realize blacks tend to be worse and haven~t adapted to the new set of rules like whites and asians have but, sheesh kids cant be kids anymore. Just watch an episode of campus pd, about cops arresting 15 to 24 year olds. Growing up now is pathetic, and any loser has multiple arrests for any stupid thing that 20 yrs ago would have been shrugged/laughed off.
"he doesn't look far enough in to Martin's tweets to see where he writes about weed and selling weed."]
So its okay now that he got shot, 17 years old sells weed if is shot for a futile reason then it is okay?? that is what you are telling me.
Bought weed all throughout high school from 15,16,17,18 year old kids, no they didnt deserve to die because of it.
sharpton, the press, the protestors, all piss the shit out of me, however, i don´t think this kid deserved to die.
>So its okay now that he got shot, 17 years old sells weed if is shot for a futile reason then it is okay?? that is what you are telling me.<
Trayvon broke Zimmerman's nose with a sucker punch and was bashing his head into the pavement. You're telling me Zimmerman deserved to die on the spot because he asked Trayvon an impertinent question? Zimmerman wasn't perfect, so therefore he has no right of self-defense? Is that what YOU'RE telling us?
"Hey you've been on a roll lately."
I usually am. Nice of you to notice, though.
"Mr. Sportette must be saying and doing all of the right things."
Who?
"Zimmerman didn't call the cops about the 7-9 year old black kid because he suspected him of a crime. He called the cops, according to the 911 call log from the Stanford police (4/22/2011), because he was 'concerned for [the kid's] well being' as he was 'walking alone' and was 'not supervised'"
Then he would have gone into full Deputy Dawg mode if he'd seen the little black kid I saw outdoors one January evening with temps in the 30's. It was toddler wearing nothing but a diaper--no shoes, no clothes, just wandering around at dusk unsupervised.
Ordinarily, I'm an "intervener" but this was after my narrow escape when a group of husky young black women chased me down the street hollering, "Get the white girl!" so I left it up to the people I was with to alert the authorities about that poor child.
In a situation like this, a genuinely concerned citizen's only option is to call the police. You don't go knocking on doors asking innocuous questions that black women will nevertheless infer are slurs on their parenting skills, not if you value your safety.
"Trayvon broke Zimmerman's nose with a sucker punch and was bashing his head into the pavement. You're telling me Zimmerman deserved to die on the spot because he asked Trayvon an impertinent question? Zimmerman wasn't perfect, so therefore he has no right of self-defense? Is that what YOU'RE telling us?"
When I was seventeen and some plain clothed busybody came up to me in a threatening matter, such as trying to grab me to give the cops enough time to come and arrest me, for possibly an empty bag of weed, I would have taken him. A lot of people fight, not just blacks. Just because this guy saw himself as the community savior or whatever, doesnt give him any more rights than anyone else.
He aborded a random individual and ended up killing him because that individual wasnt too happy about it. Maybe not under the law, but to me that guy is a murderous asshole.
He also knew cops were on the way, so why not take the beating, trying to defend himself like a man, ala mano a mano, until the cops arrived. No he was quick to shoot. Most people dont realize these law enforcement types are just itching for a chance to use their guns on someone.
If this trayvon jumped him out of nowhere, meaning ;zimmerman was minding his own business, then yes he could of shot him. But he initiated the confrontation, and when he couldnt take the heat, he murdered someone.
"When I was seventeen and some plain clothed busybody came up to me in a threatening matter, such as trying to grab me to give the cops enough time to come and arrest me, for possibly an empty bag of weed, I would have taken him. A lot of people fight, not just blacks."
Yeah but bro, it's not a good comparison between you and most of the guys here...you were born with testicles.
"Yeah but bro, it's not a good comparison between you and most of the guys here...you were born with testicles."
Everybody got that loud and clear?
If you are a white guy with testicles, you let the black beat you like a real man. Remember, do not shoot, because troof will call you a faggot.
When I was seventeen and some plain clothed busybody came up to me in a threatening matter, such as trying to grab me to give the cops enough time to come and arrest me, for possibly an empty bag of weed, I would have taken him. A lot of people fight, not just blacks.
Nothing says "psycho" like this kind of odd pastiche of fact and fantasy. What's next? Zimmerman was Trayvon's bus driver?
Just because this guy saw himself as the community savior or whatever, doesnt give him any more rights than anyone else.
That's a nicely irrelevant statement. Everybody has the right to follow people on the street.
He aborded a random individual and ended up killing him because that individual wasnt too happy about it. Maybe not under the law, but to me that guy is a murderous asshole.
"Aborded" is a new word for me. What does it mean?
You're welcome to your opinions. I find them unpersuasive, but hey, potato-potahto. Meanwhile, George will walk.
He also knew cops were on the way, so why not take the beating, trying to defend himself like a man, ala mano a mano, until the cops arrived.
I haven't confirmed this, but I've read that George's semi-auto pistol did not have a round in the chamber when police examined it. That would be consistent with George's statement that they were struggling for the gun when it went off (i.e., Trayvon's hand was on it, preventing the slide action from re-loading the pistol). Food for thought; sounds pretty mano a mano to me.
But what's really funny about this "mano a mano" "George shoulda took his ayuss whuppin like a man" stuff coming from Blacks (I've seen this several times in comments in several places) is how hollow it sounds. Blacks have been capping each other like it's a national sport for some time now. They shoot each other over verbal conflicts all the time, dropping innocent bystanders on a regular basis. They regularly escalate verbal or unarmed violence to armed violence. They show no evidence of any code beyond "survival of the fittest," or perhaps, "ah gots mine." They seem to revel in that fact, if anything. You know, T-Dog's Logic of the Victor. Now they're crying for the Marquis of Qeensbury. Bitch behavior, really.
No he was quick to shoot.
Yes, we should all take a cue from Blacks, and stop the drive-bys, indiscriminate violence, bad habit of escalation, etc.
Mean ole George the RACISS!!! wouldn't take his whuppin. This will sell well in the burbs: "YT, when a Black thug assaults you, take your whuppin' like a man/woman/grandpa/grandma/etc, write off any cash or valuables on your person, and ABSOLUTELY DO NOT defend yourself with a firearm; you'll be crippled and broke, but Black sociopaths won't be Monday-morning quarterbacking how you defended yourself."
If this trayvon jumped him out of nowhere, meaning ;zimmerman was minding his own business, then yes he could of shot him. But he initiated the confrontation, and when he couldnt take the heat, he murdered someone.
"He initiated the confrontation" means he followed and/or spoke to Trayvon, obviously. Wow, how dare he? Everyone knows, if you follow a Black male down the street and speak to him, he's justified in sucker-punching you, then beating you for as long as he likes. And if you happen to be armed and bust a cap in him, you're a villain.
Blacks are justified in attacking anyone who isn't minding his own business. And we all know they reciprocate; we all know that anyone, of any race, can walk through Black ghettos without fear of being accosted by Blacks.
Blacks and liberals definitely seem simpatico on the idea that non-Blacks don't have the right to police their own neighborhoods (at least, not without taking a beating from which they have no right of self-defense).
Svigor
Let me just say I am white. I would be considered racist by any and all bien pensant people. I literally get 99% of all my news from VDare TAKIMAG Steve Sailer axis. I am fully aware of black behavior, and I understand this Trayvon wasn´t a saint.
Having said that...
"Nothing says "psycho" like this kind of odd pastiche of fact and fantasy."
Not fantasy, but every so often some loon / pain in the ass, will give you a hard time (granted they are usually black). All I´m saying is at 17 I would probably give some such individual a piece of my mind. I think I have out grown that but maybe not, you never know in these situations.
"That's a nicely irrelevant statement. Everybody has the right to follow people on the street."
You´re not being honest here, he obviously didnt just follow him, but initiated a confrontation.
"But what's really funny about this "mano a mano" "George shoulda took his ayuss whuppin like a man" stuff coming from Blacks"
When a jig beats a 90 year old my blood boils as much as the next guys. However, Trayvon was a skinny 17 year old, and Zimmerman was quite burly from the looks of it. This wasn~t some cowardly, unfair fight. To me Zimmerman is a pussy, because you start losing a fight you pop a cap in someone~s ass. Blacks do that, but that doesn~t mean real men should.
"They regularly escalate verbal or unarmed violence to armed violence"
I realize Blacks are trigger happy murderous assholes. But that shit goes on between themselves in their ghetto enclaves, I honestly don~t care about it that much, doesnt affect normal people. My point is these law enforcement types have gone too far in their abuse. Every day we see cops taser some 90 year old or a crippled kid or something crazy like that. I realize Zimmerman wasn~t a cop, but he was a cop wanna be. So, I´m just torn between who pisses me off more, blacks or cops. ( I think Steve was trying to make that point on the first article he wrote about this case)
To me Zimmerman is a pussy, because you start losing a fight you pop a cap in someone~s ass. Blacks do that, but that doesn~t mean real men should.
When you are being struck in the head with a blunt instrument, or having your head struck against a solid surface (beaten into a semiconscious stupor), deadly force is absolutely appropriate. This is not just about “losing a fight” or being a “real man”, this is a situation that could result in death or serious bodily harm.
Time will tell whether Zimmerman was justified, but this notion that you should just “man up” and take an ass beating is mistaken.
"If you are a white guy with testicles, you let the black beat you like a real man. Remember, do not shoot, because troof will call you a faggot."
Dude you're doing pretty well considering it's your 5th language.
"Truth said...
". Understand?"
A sentence has a subject and a verb. "Do you understand", is proper. "Understand." Is ebonics."
"Truth" is unaware that English, just like the low German from whence it came, has cases that themselves convey information. Although English has shed the distintive case endings that German still has, none-the-less it is possible to form a sentence from just one world.
He should not be expected to know the rules of English grammar as he is 1.) a journalist, and 2.) "Truth".
Many good points. I wrote a post
Trayvon Martin, black rage and political correctness
It also mentioned that it is considered ok for blacks to beat up people (or to burn cities) at the slightest provocation. While normal law would not allow you to beat someone just for uttering a slur.
On the other hand, nobody should put all their stakes on declaring Zimmermann innocent. He could be an overzealous vigilante. Or there could be some in-between versions where violence and provocation were escalated by both parties.
Now I found a few disturbing arguments. Mainly a police video where Zimmermann appears unhurt. Plus a few more claims that Zimmermann was not hurt. Anyone can debunk that?
"He should not be expected to know the rules of English grammar as he is 1.) a journalist, and 2.) "Truth".
So I take it, a relative saying "Trayvon dead." is proper.
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