April 11, 2008

Updated: Interracial Marriage as the Path to Interracial Harmony and AK-47 Bling

Singer Alicia Keys, who was raised by her white mom after her black dad split, provides another example of how interracial mating automatically creates transracial harmony among the mixed race offspring:

NEW YORK (AP) - There's another side to Alicia Keys: conspiracy theorist. The Grammy-winning singer-songwriter tells Blender magazine: "'Gangsta rap' was a ploy to convince black people to kill each other. 'Gangsta rap' didn't exist."

Keys, 27, said she's read several Black Panther autobiographies and wears a gold AK-47 pendant around her neck "to symbolize strength, power and killing 'em dead," according to an interview in the magazine's May issue, on newsstands Tuesday.

Another of her theories: That the bicoastal feud between slain rappers Tupac Shakur and Notorious B.I.G. was fueled "by the government and the media, to stop another great black leader from existing."

Keys' AK-47 jewelry came as a surprise to her [white] mother, who is quoted as telling Blender: "She wears what? That doesn't sound like Alicia."

Despite careful inspection of the pendant in the picture above, I can't quite tell if that's an AK-47. As they say at the end of every scientific paper ever published: More research is necessary!

Update: An indefatigable iSteve reader has done the more research necessary and found this photo of Alicia wearing her Huey Newton leather coat, Eldridge Cleaver shades, and her own AK-47 pendant.

He points out:

There's a cutesy girl thing going on, I think--Automat Kalashnikov and Alicia Keys, same initials: "AK."

Oh, now I get it! AK ...

Isn't she adorable!

And yet, if Alicia Keys were 47-years-old, making the whole "AK-47" thing even more appropriate, theoretically-speaking, it would somehow be less cute.

Funny how that works.

In the meantime, AK, enjoy it while you've still got it.

My published articles are archived at iSteve.com -- Steve Sailer

82 comments:

Dennis Mangan said...

That's the best thing I've read all year.

testing99 said...

Dang. Funny. She just "blew away" all her fanbase that's white. Which is most of them.

Funny.

Very good point Steve.

Ron Guhname said...

Some readers are complaining about Steve's focus lately, but it's as insightful as ever.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't it make you happy that CD sales, especially for artists like Keys, are falling like a rock?

I used to feel some guilt about illegally copying artists CDs. Not anymore. Why put money in their pockets?

Argent Paladin said...

Can anyone think of a single case of a white parent abandoning the child and the child then turning away from being black and embracing white ancestry? On a related note, are black man/white woman couples more likely to fail than other couplings? It seems pretty common.

Anonymous said...

"strength, power and killing 'em dead"

Quite catchy, actually. Maybe a new motto for Superman (as opposed to that lame old "truth, justice, and the American way")?

Chris said...

On a related note, are black man/white woman couples more likely to fail than other couplings?

I don't know if I've ever seen a married black man/white woman couple beyond their mid 40's.

Shouting Thomas said...

Since I've raised a step child who lost her mother, I think that I can explain this phenomena.

A child will romanticize the missing parent. This is not very hard to understand. That parent is half of what the child is.

So, the child has to rationalize the absence of that parent. The surviving or present parent presents all the problems of a human being. That parent will sometimes be angry, punitive, etc. Not so with the absent parent.

The absent parent is a blank slate for the child to draw on. In the interests of its own ego, the child will romantize and idealize that absent parent.

kurt said...

Halle Berry, Barak Obama, Alicia Keys...

The one thing they all have in common is that they had black fathers, who abandoned them at an early age, and white mothers who, along with the maternal grandparents, raised them. Yet, they identify with the black father and consider white people to be the enemy.

Perhaps this is a psychological phenomenon similar to that of "Stockholm" Syndrome.

Any thoughts?

Let's! said...

She also loves to portray corn-rowed thugs as her ideal man in her music videos - see "Fallin'" or her recent No. 1 hit "No One."

Fan backlash should be negligible - Gen-Y whites skip their elders' condescending attempts at racial reconciliation and cut straight to reflexive subordination before black/brown moral authority and coolness.

Chaos said...

In the dating-advice market targetted specifically at men there is a theory that nice guys cannot compete with the so-called "jerks". Shy men are then taught techniques with which to appear tougher and thus trigger a parts of the woman psyche they would not otherwise - like respect and passion for example (or so they say).

It's been my observation that this theory can also be applied to racial/ethnic relations. The nicer a group is to other groups the less effective it will become in its ethnic/racial relations.

The whole topic of a child being raised by whites while abandoned by blacks and then slamming and dissing whites is the ultimate result in this sequence at a personal level. How much more disrespectful of an act can be comitted against an group then to have one of its women knocked up, have the father abandon the unit and then have the child insult the whole group that raised it? The child naturally knows where ITZ at - the child also naturally knows who DA MAN is and who DA SUCKAS are.

It's a good thing whites are 'above' that sort of approach and don't think about it too hard. Such nice people they are...

Eric said...

I'm not sure if this is a reflection of anti-white racism or just good business sense. That's the way fans expect rap stars to act - even the white fans.

I haven't found too many stunning women who were cynical and bitter. Not until their 40s, anyway.

Anonymous said...

Of the middle-class mixed-race folks I've known, the males were happy enough to slot into middle class life, go and see arty films and so on.

But the women, prone to whining and self-pity anyway, automatically cleaved to their black identity.

Maybe they couldn't ignore such a potent additional source of victimhood and in an affirmative-action culture, who is to say it doesn't make financial sense?

Argent Paladin said...

Kurt,
That's precisely what I was getting at. I think it is the result of an adolescent fantasy. Being a single parent is tough and you have to be strict (no bad cop/good cop or switching roles). This causes the child to fantasize that the other parent wouldn't be so mean or that the absent parent was driven away. Since the absent parent is unknown, he/she can be anything the child wants.
And of course being black is far cooler in our society than being suburban white. So you get all the privilege of living in a good neighborhood and getting a good education but the "street cred" of being black (not to mention the affirmative action).
And then there's the effect mentioned often by Steve of the need to prove one's blackness by spouting loony conspiracy theories or otherwise posing as a radical.

nzconservative said...

The interesting thing about Alicia Keys is how unblack she looks despite being half black.

She seems to typify the white liberal fantasy, that most inter-racial people will look like some sort of superior trans-racial hybrid with perfect orche skin and lithe physique, coupled with Dresden porcelian standard Aryan bone structure.

Unfortunately though, these people don't seem to exist much outside Hollywood land.

Interracial Greatness said...

Interracial childred will be the future. Sorry, racists. Alicia is what your grandchildren will look like.

Plus, I don't see what is so radical about what Alicia thinks. She is not "anti-white," she just is giving her opinion.

Leave it to old fuddy-duddy Steve to make a bid deal about this.

Anonymous said...

The interesting intersection will be between the "Mulatto elite" and the black immigrant elite. Will they always be seeing eye to eye? Or will one of them challenge the other as being "not authentic enough"

Basically, I think a giant schism in the black community may be on the horizon as the mixed race and immigrant blacks compete for leadership.

Anonymous said...

she looks like a puerto rican.

DAJ said...

Steve Sailer may be on to something. Another famous mulatto who turned to anti-American, far-leftist politics is Tom Morello, lead guitarist of Rage Against the Machine. He was raised in a virtually all-white suburb by his white mother and did not meet his black Kenyan father until later in life.

In Morello's defense, I will add that he did choose to become an aficionado and agent of hard rock music instead of the typical music popular to American blacks like R&B, soul, and rap. Guitarists Slash of Guns N' Roses fame and Lenny Kravitz-- both mulattoes--also chose stereotypical "white" music over "black" music. However, Slash and Lenny had white fathers and black mothers.

Also, to the poster who inquired about the existence of a black man/white woman married couple over age 40, I believe baseball star Derek Jeter’s parents come to mind. I have seen Jeter’s father and mother together at his Yankee games. Note that Jeter (or Slash or Lenny) does not seem to hold any radical views or practice any black-identity one-upmanship.

Tom Morello
http://www.musicfanclubs.org/rage/tom.htm

Slash
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_%28musician%29

Lenny Kravitz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenny_Kravitz

Derek Jeter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_jeter

LemmusLemmus said...

"strength, power and killing 'em dead"

That'd be a great title for an album if your fanbase didn't mainly consist of white middle-class women around 30 (admittedly, only a guess).

As a non-native speaker, I quite like the phrase "killing 'em dead". Is that common usage or was Ms. Keys being creative? Serious question.

roissy said...

this validates steve's maxim that when you do a favor for someone (mom doing the favor of raising AK) that person will resent you for it.

Anonymous said...

My contact with Africans "right off the plane" when I lived in London leads me to believe that their impression of American blacks is decidedly mixed. Africans with anything on the ball are actually extremely socially conservative and care a lot about how they carry themselves and how they look, as in being extremely well groomed, dressed and spoken. They turn up their noses at the American pimp rolling morons with their underwear hanging out. A direct quote: "They walk without dignity." The overwhelming attitude is that being born in the States is one of the luckiest things that could ever happen to a person, and that anyone who doesn't work hard and take advantage of that opportunity is an idiot who deserves what he gets.

I think there already are attitude clashes among Africans who have started businesses in the States, and American born blacks. Will African Americans have the same attitude toward African immigrants that they've had toward Koreans and other groups who've managed to create business in ghetto areas? If so, how will they justify that? I agree, it's interesting.

David Davenport said...

On a related note, are black man/white woman couples more likely to fail than other couplings?

No more likely to fail than black/black couples.


Interracial childred will be the future. Sorry, racists. Alicia is what your grandchildren will look like.

Yep, cut off their welfare money and the all black population will dwindle.

stari_momak said...

Poser,

Here is the real deal!

Anonymous said...

Interracial Greatness:
"Interracial children will be the future. Sorry, racists. Alicia is what your grandchildren will look like."

Most mulatto children (like children, in general) don't look anywhere near as pretty as Halle Berry or Alicia Keys.

Secondly, part hispanic, part white interracial children (like Jessica Alba) due to demographics, may be a lot more common than any other type of interracial offspring. America may very well treat these type of offspring different than the average mulatto offspring.

Finally, Alicia Keys is in a relationship with Kerry "Krucial" Brothers:
http://movies.about.com/od/gloryroad/ig/gloryroad010506/glory15010506.htm

Judging by his fairly unattractive appearance, I'd be shocked if any of the presumed offspring is as hot as she is. That's reality, and if she thinks any less attractive offspring (esp. daughters) are going to be treated as well as she likely has been, well, I doubt it. I wouldn't say this if she was with a much better looking guy (of whatever race).

So, don't laugh too hard interracial greatness.

Anonymous said...

"She seems to typify the white liberal fantasy, that most inter-racial people will look like some sort of superior trans-racial hybrid with perfect orche skin and lithe physique, coupled with Dresden porcelian standard Aryan bone structure."

Absolutely correct. Most children, let alone most mulatto children, don't look as pretty as Alicia Keys.

Zachary said...

the amazing thing about this story is that alicia's father is none other than alan keyes, the conservative politician!

Anonymous said...

Interracial Greatness:
"Leave it to old fuddy-duddy Steve to make a bid deal about this."

A good gauge of what American men find sexy is through their top female porn stars. This link is NOT WORK PLACE SAFE:

http://www.porn-star.com/top100.html

Again, this is NOT WORK PLACE SAFE!

But, if you see this list, there are almost no non- white porn stars present. American men of all races watch porn. Unlike the fashion industry (controlled by gay men and a few women) or Hollywood (need extraneous factors like talent besides looks) or the Music industry (ditto previous), the women in porn must appeal most directly to the sexual taste of American men through their looks. It's telling that even in this multi- cultural day and age, the politically incorrect realization is that the "White" female look is still ranked far higher than any other one.

Svigor said...

Shouting Thomas has a point. Add in the other half - blacks are allowed a racial and ethnic identity, blacks (even many of their warts) are lionized in the public sphere, an inversion of the treatment whites get - and it makes the whole thing as understandable as it is noxious.

Interracial childred will be the future. Sorry, racists. Alicia is what your grandchildren will look like.

This is obviously in the interests of blacks (to a much greater extent, at least), but not whites. So the future will reward those whites who refuse. Sorry, blacks.

I mean really, Brazilianization (white elite peels off best genes of non-white underclass; non-white elite subsumed into white elite; underclass becomes polychromatic underclass) isn't much to crow about, from either race's perspective.

Martin said...

"Interracial Greatness said...

Plus, I don't see what is so radical about what Alicia thinks. She is not "anti-white," she just is giving her opinion."

Here's what's radical about it: She is claiming that "The Man" created Gangsta' Rap in order to kill off blacks - presumably because the HIV bio-warfare weapon concocted by evil white scientists in thier secret ice fortress wasn't doing the job fast enough.

Did whitey invent bling and malt liquor for that reason too? Were Spinners, Grills, and 40 ouncers invented by the Rand Corporation under a CIA contract in order to oppress the black man?

Let's follow that logic to it's conclusion - namely that blacks are incapable of creating anything. Not even the means of their own self destruction. They must rely on the whites for everything? Is that what you mean to say?

I certainly wouldn't claim that. Blacks did indeed create Gansta' Rap (not that that is anything to be proud of).

Anonymous said...

Save for Derek Jeter,is there currently one famous mulatto whose black parent actually played a part in raising them? And of course said mulatto's love and devotion goes towards...the absentee African.

testing99 said...

Tiger Woods comes to mind. Though he's a mixture of just about everything, and is pretty socially conservative (no partying with bling for him).

As far as idolizing the absent parent, Sarah Michelle Gellar ("Buffy") did not think much of her abandoning father and refused all contact with him when she became rich and famous and he wanted to meet her (as an adult). That's one (anecdotal of course) counter-example.

Toadal said...

Interracial Greatness said...
Interracial childred will be the future. Sorry, racists. Alicia is what your grandchildren will look like.


For the near future anyway, however, I think that once technologies for designer children become widely available our interracial son, daughter, and/or grandchildren will opt for blue eyed blonds.

The sad and puzzling aspect of Alicia Keyes is her emotional block that prevents her seeing how paternally and economically pathetic the vast majority of black males are.

Concerned said...

"She just "blew away" all her fanbase that's white. Which is most of them."

I don't think so. White masochism is a bottomless pitt.

In my big city high school, the meanest, nastiest, most racially screwed up blacks were light-skinned, or mulatto. The darker blacks were also hostile, but nowhere near as much.

It's called overcompensation.

Anonymous said...

Mulattoes and light-skinned blacks are much more racist than full-blacks or dark-skinned blacks. There is indeed some truth to the brooding mulatto that Southerners used to warn about. Think Lani Guinier, Barack Obama, Bryant Gumbel, Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Malcolm X-lax, Nikki Giovanni, Adam Clayton Powell and many others. Most of these bigots probably have more white genes than black.

Not sure if interracial (at least black-white) children are the future of America. They mostly just fall in with the blacks.

There is much more white-Asian, white-Hispanic mixture and the kids mostly identify as white even if they accept the benefits of affirmative action and the allowance of positive self-identity.

Oh, and she may be a brain-dead, anti-white racist who is a vastly overrated singer, but Alicia Keys is hot!

I've seen her on Sesame Street quite a bit. No Don Imus/John Rocker/Michael Richards treatment for her. Must be white skin privilege.

jbday said...

Clarence Thomas and his wife Virginia have been married since 1987.

jbday said...

Clarence Thomas and his wife Virginia have been married since 1987.

SKT said...

Now that's classic Sailer!

testing99 said...

toadal, the empowerment of women (globally too btw) lets them choose, without downsides that are very bad, the most hyper-masculine bad boys they can get.

You see this everywhere. Dalrymple (Life at the Bottom) shows women, even educated nurses he works with, choosing hyper-masculine abusive men. Because they are more macho and exciting and high-status (thrilling criminality and machoness) than boring carpenters, plumbers, etc. who have regular jobs.

Women unless constrained, will choose the bad boys with criminality, over "regular guys." The parade of murdered women on Fox News is like a cafeteria of bad choices for bad boys. One guy (the black ex-cop) had three different women, all very attractive (and white) pregnant with his kids, one twice (he murdered her).

More educated women, as Steve has observed, tend to avoid this, particularly if they have close relations to their mothers who advise them not to engage in bad relationships. Still even these women can and do engage in the bad boy mistakes.

Alicia Keys has no real "downside" perceived -- she can pursue the baddest of bad boys, criminal black rappers -- without much cost. Writ large, that's the downside of the improvement in women's lives and conditions. [Women will share, though they don't like it, criminal bad boys -- it confirms "other women want them too" -- see George on Seinfeld with "Man Hands" picture.]

We are moving socially to a defacto polygamist society, with a few bad boy rapper types, others in that vein, monopolizing most of the women and invariably generating pointless and extremely violent fights over women.

Helly said...

DAJ: However, Slash and Lenny had white fathers and black mothers.

I don't know about 'Slash', but Kravitz's dad has Asian racial origins.

hey steve said...

Halle Berry, Barak Obama, Alicia Keys...

Perhaps this is a psychological phenomenon similar to that of "Stockholm" Syndrome.

Any thoughts?

Yeah.

1. Miscegenation is not a positive social development for white societies.

2. The Founders of this nation and nearly every other nation in history were racial and ethnic nationalists.

3. Race nationalism is the only stable foundation for a civilization.

4. The current regime has pathologized race nationalism.

5. The nation is therefore disintegrating for lack of a stable foundation.

6. OBVIOUSLY.

interracial greatness said...

Young people today don't have the racial hang-ups that the older whites have. This is good. They are more prone to interracial relationships than ever before. Today in any big city it is not uncommon to see a black man out on a date with his white girlfriend or a white man out on a date with his Asian girlfriend.

The more interracial children, the better. It is going to be hard to be a racist when your extended family includes a lot of mixed-race people in it.

I welcome the interracial future. Racism is silly.

Truth said...

"She seems to typify the white liberal fantasy, that most inter-racial people will look like some sort of superior trans-racial hybrid with perfect orche skin and lithe physique, coupled with Dresden porcelian standard Aryan bone structure."

Do people of this basic description exist outside of Hollywood in any race?

No, I'd have to say that the 20 some-odd people in each state who do get up and move to Hollywood.

"Most mulatto children (like children, in general) don't look anywhere near as pretty as Halle Berry or Alicia Keys."

But most white children look like Pamela Anderson.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of Halle Berry, interesting how, after getting burned by black guys twice, she chose to have a child with a blue-eyed white fashion model guy. Something's telling me her kid(s) have a greater chance of looking hot than Alicia Keys's kids with that "Krucial" guy.

Does anyone know what Mariah Carey's racial attitudes are? She was married to a white guy (Mottola) and was supposedly after Eminem, but does she consider herself to be black or mullatto?

And speaking of Tom Morello, interesting how a mullatto guy was so hugely influential in an ultimately white genre; probably the most influential since Hendrix (another black mix who wasn't sure if he was black enough).

Vissarion

Anonymous said...

"Mulattoes and light-skinned blacks are much more racist than full-blacks or dark-skinned blacks. There is indeed some truth to the brooding mulatto that Southerners used to warn about."

I wonder if Keys's attitude might be due to not having a consistent fatherly presence, in addition to any other factors. Had her Mom remarried a stable, good guy of whatever race, her thoughts on conspiracy theories and what not might have been more constrained. As it was, there is no record of Keys even having any siblings, possibly indicative of her Mom not being able to find another long term guy since she had become a single Mom; some guys might have also had a possible problem with the fact that the Mom got knocked up with a black guy and had a mulatto child. I'm not talking about right or wrong here, just what may have transpired.

Keys is very good looking. If we assume her Mom even after becoming a single Mom had some of those genes, the Mom was likely good looking, too. Even if she was a single Mom, it is a little strange she couldn't/didn't find another guy to help raise her kid like other single Moms do.

Anonymous said...

From a gossip site...
http://dlisted.com/node/25210#comments

Submitted by Zazoo on April 12, 2008 - 8:37pm.
I get the impression that she tries too hard to emphasize her 'blackness'. I've seen her on awards shows where she sounds like she's from the inner city but then I've seen her on a show where she's one on one with a fan and talks like she's from the 'burbs.

========

I recall Howard Stern making this point about her years ago. She was raised by a well-to-do white mother, went to upper westside private schools and had little association with black culture growing up, but when she is in front of a black crowd she puts on her fake 'ghetto' accent and pretends she is from the hood.

abe said...

I can't believe Sailer couldn't make the connection about the AK and the girl's initials himself. I guess he must not have a very high IQ.

Anonymous said...

Zachary said...
the amazing thing about this story is that alicia's father is none other than alan keyes, the conservative politician!


have a source for this? i thought keyes was was famous for having a lesbian daughter.

Anonymous said...

Mulattoes and light-skinned blacks are much more racist than full-blacks or dark-skinned blacks. There is indeed some truth to the brooding mulatto that Southerners used to warn about.

American blacks have average intelligence about one standard deviation below whites, and a person of mixed white/black ancestry will fall somewhere between the two. Most will fall closer to blacks in intelligence since their (usually white) mothers are, on average, less intelligent than other white women.

If you choose to identify as white you're gunna fall at the bottom end of the scale and won't be particularly special. If you identify as black you'll be a lot smarter than most of your fellow blacks and will be a leader (if they accept you as black). If you were Halfrican which would you choose?

jody said...

i had a mulatto girlfriend in high school and i think alicia keys is gorgeous. but the more i hear from her, the less i like her. i even think she pretends to have a black american accent but does not actually have one. if you see photos of her when she is not at music industry events, when she is wearing street clothes, she looks almost completely white. i wonder if this black panther stuff is what she has picked up from her boyfriends.

my girlfriend was, of course, raised by her white mother after her black father left them. my town was about 20% black, and almost every white woman with mulatto kids went through the same process. but she did not identify as "just black", talked with no accent and prefered rock to rap. i would say about half the mulattos at my school were like this.

i don't think there is anything particular going on with the "raised by white mother" thing. black men tend to leave women. all women, any women. they leave black women. they leave white women. if there were 20 million african men in china or india, they would leave them too. i think this is a black man thing, not a black man-(fill in the blank) woman thing.

one famous mulatto where the father stuck around - tony parker. he has a black american father and a white french mother.

one famous singer where the father that left was not idolized but resented - christina aguilera. she prefers her stepfather.

Anonymous said...

Boxing did more in the sixties through nineties to romanticize the myth of the black badass.

If you watch the UFC, you see superstrong, but slightly slower white men usually use their strength (from pumping iron endlessly) and superior technique to usually vanquish (sometimes easily) black opponents. Blacks are quicker than whites, but they are not stronger.


If whites werent afraid to go to prison, where they are outnumbered, and afraid blacks were carrying knives, they'd take a hell of alot less flack from blacks out on the street.


On an unrelated note..........women usually like men who are a shade darker than they are, and men like women who are a little fairer than themselves. Everybody has seen this.

Steve Sailer said...

abe said...

"I can't believe Sailer couldn't make the connection about the AK and the girl's initials himself. I guess he must not have a very high IQ."

I have very high IQ readers to figure stuff out for me.

Truth said...

"If you watch the UFC, you see superstrong, but slightly slower white men usually use their strength (from pumping iron endlessly) and superior technique to usually vanquish (sometimes easily) black opponents."

Two of the five UFC world champions, as well as possibly the two best in the world (Silva, Jackson) are black.

Black Sea said...

"As a non-native speaker, I quite like the phrase "killing 'em dead". Is that common usage or was Ms. Keys being creative? Serious question."

This used to be an advertising slogan for a brand of household bug spray called "Raid."

"Raid kills bugs dead."

Anonymous said...

Your aim is true. Lots of clever posts on this subject

I can't think of any interracial performer I have ever liked. Interracial meaning from a black-white union. Barack Obama is as week as Lenny Kravitz and Lisa Bonet and Lani Guinier. None of them are good looking. Nor is Halle Berry who is also nuts

The real black guys are at least funny when it comes to late night comedy on TV. Fiddy Cent has some some style and class

bigboy said...

Anoymous wrote:
"Most mulatto children (like children, in general) don't look anywhere near as pretty as Halle Berry or Alicia Keys."

I've seen quite a few good looking mulatto children, and most children are average in looks anyway. Very few white children look as good as most white heartthrobs in film and television.

"Secondly, part hispanic, part white interracial children (like Jessica Alba) due to demographics, may be a lot more common than any other type of interracial offspring. America may very well treat these type of offspring different than the average mulatto offspring."

You do realize that Hispanic is simply a legal and social category for people of any race or combination of races who speak Spanish or have Spanish as an ancestral language. Many Hispanics in New York, for example, are in fact mulattos or at least people with substantial African ancestry. There are quite a few Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, Cubans, Venezuelans, and Panamanians who look like Alicia Keys or better.

DAJ said...

"Save for Derek Jeter,is there currently one famous mulatto whose black parent actually played a part in raising them?"

One example that immediately comes to mind is Lenny Kravitz's black mother, Roxie Roker. She played the part of Helen Willis on "The Jeffersons."

DAJ said...

"I don't know about 'Slash', but Kravitz's dad has Asian racial origins."

According to Wiki, this is not true. He is a Russian Jew (indeed, Russia is in Asia proper).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sy_Kravitz

Anonymous said...

regarding talking with a 'fake' black accent- this is more an entertainment thing I think - the rolling stones, for example - mick jagger talked with a 'downmarket' accent - and tried to sing with an american one, despite his london school of economics background.

pretending to be from 'the hood' is good business for entertainers - Eddie Murphy, for example.

Regarding "interacial greatness''s comments:
This is what usually passes for an 'argument' from the 'other side' perhaps they are used to their ideas meeting no serious opposition but 'hey its the trend of the future get over it, fuddie duddies' is patent absurdity. Rather, let us consider how much longer this artificially held together 'society' can last when a society is built to go against human nature, as our post 1960s society is...it destroys the very thing holding it up.

Concerned said...

"Necessary but not sufficient" is a high-IQ phrase I learned here. (I think.)

Like I said, I most of the mulattos and high yallers that I've known have been very peevish - but there are a few who are not.

Derek Jeter, Jordan Sparks - both of them seem quite stable. There must be others.

So I think that you have to have several factors working in conjunction to create this rotten-temperedness.

Or perhaps the other hand is correct: most conditions will tend to produce instability and rotten-temperedness amongst high yallers & mulattoes, but a stable two-parent setup, such as Jeter & Sparks benefited from, will successfully confound it.

My $0.02

Anyway, Keys is a nasty bitch, and the fact that her adulation of a murderous thug will do nothing to hamper her career, is more sad evidence of our decline.

Lucius Vorenus said...

A little off-topic, but what's the status of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in UFC these days?

I saw some martial arts dude [yes, a male] on TV a few months ago who went down to Brazil and got his posterior handed to him on a platter by some chick [yes, a female] who let loose some nasty BJJ moves on him.

That stuff looked wicked nasty - it appeared to center around the use of the thighs strapped about the opponent's abdomen to cut off his diaphragm's ability to recirculate oxygen to the lungs, in combination with the use of the arms in neck chokeholds designed to cut off the flow of oxygen to his brain.

Yikes!

Not pretty at all.

Scary evil-looking, in fact.

Anonymous said...

"It is going to be hard to be a racist when your extended family includes a lot of mixed-race people in it."

Blacks like Alicia Keys, Halle Barry, Barack Obama, Lani Guinier ...etc don't seem to have a problem being racist even though their new "friends" would think nothing of killing their mother because she has the wrong skin color.

Svigor said...

It is going to be hard to be a racist when your extended family includes a lot of mixed-race people in it.

Seems kind of circular to me; what if racism doesn't bother me? What if I think it's a good, healthy, human instinct?

I welcome the interracial future. Racism is silly.

Seems you agree - racism is "silly," so we should destroy human biodiversity. There's a rigorous position. What's next - screw the Pandas, because their spots are silly?

That aside, Alicia Keys, Barack Obama, Halle Berry...they're not exactly making your point for you.

LemmusLemmus said...

black sea,

thanks!

Anonymous said...

Tom Morello "Most influential since Hendrix"...HUH? Ever heard of Jeff Beck,Jimmy Page,Eddie Van Halen,Tony Iommi...

Tom Morrello is a hack relying on special effects and MORON audiences.

Bruno said...

She may pretend to be black, but Alica Keys looks Italian, as is her mama. Notwithstanding her beauty, there is no profit in being Italian, which is merely white. The girl is just trying to make a living.

Anonymous said...

bigboy:
"I've seen quite a few good looking mulatto children, and most children are average in looks anyway. Very few white children look as good as most white heartthrobs in film and television."

I don't really dispute what you just wrote. Many traditional 'black' morphological features are dominant or co-dominant genetically (i.e. hair texture, skin color, facial morphology) and I strongly suspect that more black-white interracial offspring probably won't often look like Alicia Keys. Her facial features are more Caucasoidal. If she mates with her black bf Krucial, don't necessarily expect the resultant kid to look as much as the white side of that family.

Add to this that the top 100 porn stars list I posted a while back. America is becoming more multicultural yet the men of all races still go for porn that predominantly features the white female as the paragon of beauty. An America with more mulatto females is not necessarily going to make the men (of whatever race) as happy sexually, even if a few look like Ms. Keys. That is unless the standards for beauty (as most profoundly evidenced by porn tastes) change. Who knows? Maybe that will be forced to happen in an America with a lot less of the white female look.

"You do realize that Hispanic is simply a legal and social category for people of any race or combination of races who speak Spanish or have Spanish as an ancestral language."

Good point. I guess I was really referring to Mexicans, many of whom have a significant mestizo/amerindian component. Other interracial mixes don't get as much publicity as mulattoes, but I've found that white/asian and white/amerindian (or mestizo) are often some of the best looking mixes in America. But, they're a lot less vocal it seems than mulattoes.

Peter said...

A little off-topic, but what's the status of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in UFC these days?

I saw some martial arts dude [yes, a male] on TV a few months ago who went down to Brazil and got his posterior handed to him on a platter by some chick [yes, a female] who let loose some nasty BJJ moves on him.


BJJ is still a common foundation for MMA fighters, but only as part of a wider set of combat skills. It's no longer the case that a BJJ-only practitoner can prevail in the UFC or other organizations. Cross training is the key today.

bigboy said...

Anonymous wrote:

“Add to this that the top 100 porn stars list I posted a while back. America is becoming more multicultural yet the men of all races still go for porn that predominantly features the white female as the paragon of beauty. An America with more mulatto females is not necessarily going to make the men (of whatever race) as happy sexually, even if a few look like Ms. Keys. That is unless the standards for beauty (as most profoundly evidenced by porn tastes) change. Who knows? Maybe that will be forced to happen in an America with a lot less of the white female look.”

But it may make many black men happy….You assume that men of all races have a strong desire for white women.

Further, your statement assumes the audience for porn isn't overwhelmingly white. The attraction to white (and I assume to a lesser degree Asian) porn starlets reflects whites' preferences. Also, there aren't many porn stars out there who are black or mulatto in appearance. The majority are white. I'd assume Asians outnumber blacks in that industry as well.


Part of Keys’ appeal to many black men (and I’ve been in the presence of quite a few who sing her praises) is her appearance: not really white but not really black either. In fact anyone who has spent considerable time around black men would know that many (but not most) actually prefer the mulatto look in women, though many today would steadfastly deny it because it’s too politically incorrect to admit openly.

Keys’ opinions, IMO, are motivated both by a need to prove her blackness and a need to come off as authentic in the musical milieu in which she resides. Conspiracy theorizing of this type combined with feelings of alienation is a mainstay of black youth identity today; she’s just tapping into that to make her more legit. As a biracial person who embraces a musical style closely related to hip-hop, she may feel compelled to overcompensate for her appearance. Many people with Keys’ background often feel the need to prove how “black” they really are because they may be seen or feel they’ll be seen as untrustworthy by black folks.

A lot of this is pretentious behavior in my opinion.

People who are more secure in who they are-whether black or biracial-don’t usually engage in this kind of behavior. Haven’t seen Salli Richardson (the actress from the series “Eureka”), Halle Barry, Jordan Sparks behave similarly.

Anonymous said...

there's no way that jeremiah wright and malcolm x have more white than black, you are a dummy, all black families in america and in the carribean have lightskin black, when it comes to the way black people look, whaite people are the most ignorant, most of the time, they dont know what the fuck they are talking about?

Anonymous said...

Lucius Vorenus:

That stuff looked wicked nasty - it appeared to center around the use of the thighs strapped about the opponent's abdomen to cut off his diaphragm's ability to recirculate oxygen to the lungs

The position is called the guard and the purpose isn't to restrict your opponent's breathing with your legs but to control his hips and prevent him from moving his center of gravity over you. If the person "in the guard" (the person with the legs wrapped around his waist) tries to move his weight down on the person on the bottom without freeing his hips, he'll leave his arms and neck open to attack. If his center of gravity isn't stable, the person on the bottom can use his / her legs to topple the opponent. Look on youtube for "scissor sweep" for an example of a simple move that does this.

-Steve Johnson

bigboy said...

"Save for Derek Jeter,is there currently one famous mulatto whose black parent actually played a part in raising them?"

"One example that immediately comes to mind is Lenny Kravitz's black mother, Roxie Roker. She played the part of Helen Willis on "The Jeffersons."

There's Jordan Sparks, Slash, Salli Richardson, Justin Guarini, Sade, hockey player Jarome Iginla.

bigboy said...

kurt wrote:

"Halle Berry, Barak Obama, Alicia Keys...

The one thing they all have in common is that they had black fathers, who abandoned them at an early age, and white mothers who, along with the maternal grandparents, raised them. Yet, they identify with the black father and consider white people to be the enemy."

Umm, can you provide evidence that Halle Berry hates whites and considers them the enemy? Last time I checked she got knocked up by one, and I'm not aware of her making statements similar to Keys'.

Obama, IMO, isn't hateful towards whites or sees them as the enemy. If anything, as befits his black identity, he is dismissive of some of the concerns of whites (no matter how legitimate), particularly those of lower-income whites. What matters to him are black people's concerns as articulated by people with whom he is most ideologically compatible.

safi . .Xx said...

some of these comments being left are pathetic

just because you are mixed race, and your father left you doesn't make you feel resent for either race.

i am in that situation and i accept that i am of both races and do not feel more a part of either.

Anonymous said...

yo guys... stop being so lame, Alicia Keys can do whatever she wants and if this is to turn into a racist discussion why dont you all come back to Europe if you're so scared of 'colored' people. God!, it feels like were going back to the Jim Crow law...

Anonymous said...

LOL im mixed race, (Black Jamaican: White English) and my parents have been together for 25 years they are in their 50's now an going strong so whoever it was who was chatting bollocks about inter racial couples not lasting, your full of shit im afraid.

One day the whole world will be mixed-up and beige anyway..innit

Anonymous said...

Funny how this works. Tommy Hilfiger says his clothes aren't for black people and no one cares. Alicia Keys makes VERY light and unimportant comments involving race and everyone shits a brick. What I ALSO think is HILARIOUS is that while her album sales may be SLIGHTLY falling, she's still sold over 25 million records worldwide. Let's think about that, and then think about the bootleggers as well who won't spend the cash to pick it up and I'm gonna go ahead and guess that that figure is at least doubled...?
Also, interracial couples don't fail any more than single-race couples and whoever thought of that is a retard. It may seem that way because interracial couples are the 'elephant in the room'...the focus of much undeserved attention, so if they do fail it's all of a sudden everyone's business.
Biracial children DO NOT 'identify' with the parent that abandoned them; biracial children are often discriminated against more than black and ESPECIALLY white children. They are constantly teased and abused (physically and mentally) by their peers because of their heritage(s). SO, often the child will go to the most historically aggressive side of them to counteract the abuse that they undoubtedly will or have suffered from. It's a defense mechanism more than anything else.
And I can't believe that I'm reading some of these posts. I can't believe in this day and age people would say that blacks didn't create anything. Do your research: after slavery was abolished there were countless inventions created by blacks but PATENTED by whites. PATENTED. Someone who gets a patent is definitely not in any way, shape, or form, an inventor. And on another note, blacks did create gangsta rap but just like any other music style it is artistic. And if you're reading this and are one of those people that say 'Oh anyone can rap. All you have to do is rhyme', then as soon as you get a record deal and I see your video on tv you go ahead and give me a shout-out on TRL and 106 & Park, okay?
Bottom line, Alicia Keys said some things that, yes, were taken a bit out of context but weren't perfectly right in the first place. However, there are whites posting in this blog RIGHT NOW that have said worse things than that and I'm willing to bet have said worse things in the comfort of their own home or at those neverending Klan meetings they call country clubs. Get it together people and stop complaining because someone had the stones to say something out loud.

Anonymous said...

By the way, I've done extensive research on everything that I've said in my last comment so you really DON'T want to contest me.

Anonymous said...

"Someone who gets a patent is definitely not in any way, shape, or form, an inventor."

Brilliant analysis. That's a whole lot of non-inventors.

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Kız resimleri said...

Quite catchy, actually. Maybe a new motto for Superman

pipn lipin said...

just lost some respect for alicia if she thinks that the media killed biggie and pac because they were going to be black leaders shes not thinking right. How can a guy that smokes crack all day and raps about killing ppl can be a leader well she is trippin. No disrespect to pac and biggie cause their music is pimpin if they were going to be leaders they should have been smart enough not to kill each other cause leaders are meant to be smart right. Hahahaha some black americans just dont know how to blame their F**K ups on themselves