January 22, 2010

Invade the world, invite the world in action

Neocon insider Elliott Abrams, JPod's brother-in-law and the Bush Administration's top man on Middle East policy (which was a pretty hilarious job for a man who had spent the 1990s campaigning against intermarriage), explains in the Washington Post that we should let in more Haitians.

As Max Boot might say, you can never have too much cannon fodder!

There's a fundamental tradeoff, however:

- Either, we let in Haiti's educated minority, but that just makes Haiti dumber, which isn't good for Haiti. And there isn't even much of an educated class left in Haiti after decades of brain drain by emigation. Wikipedia's article on Papa Doc says:
His rule, based on a purged military, a rural milita and the use of personality cult and vodoo, resulted in a brain drain from which the country has not recovered. ... Educated professionals fled Haiti in droves for New York City, Miami, French-speaking Montreal, Paris, and several French-speaking African countries, exacerbating an already serious lack of doctors and teachers. Some of the highly skilled professionals joined the ranks of several UN agencies to work in development in newly-independent nations such as Ivory Coast, and Congo. The country has never recovered from this brain drain.

- Or, we admit uneducated Haitian peasants who can't earn much money in the U.S. and have a very high birth rate.

Which one will it be?

By the way, I hadn't brought this up before, but if the press is going to promote taking in lots more Haitians, we should at least mention something that Haitians brought us in the past:
October 29, 2007

HIV went directly from Africa to Haiti, then spread to the United States and much of the rest of the world beginning around 1969, suggests an international team of researchers.

The findings settle a key debate on the history and transmission route of the deadly virus, the scientists say.

Even before HIV was identified as the cause of AIDS, Haiti's role in the disease epidemic had been hotly debated.

When AIDS was officially recognized in 1981 in the U.S., for instance, the unusually high prevalence of the disease in Haitian immigrants fueled speculation that the Caribbean island was the source of the mysterious illness.

Another theory held that the AIDS epidemic spread from the U.S. in the mid-1970s after Haiti became a popular destination for sex tourism.

Scientists led by Michael Worobey, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Arizona, Tucson, tried to solve the puzzle by tracing back the family history of the virus subtype blamed for the epidemic in North America.

The findings suggest that native Haitians carried the disease back to their island from Africa soon after the virus's emergence there. (Related: "AIDS Origin Traced to Chimp Group in Cameroon" [May 25, 2006].)

The new study appears online this week in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

HIV is commonly transmitted through tainted blood transfusions, dirty needles, and unprotected sex. Infections often lead to a life-threatening condition in which the body's immune defenses are systematically disabled.

Two species of HIV can infect humans—HIV-1 and HIV-2. The former is more virulent, more easily transmitted, and accounts for the lion's share of global HIV infections. HIV-2 is less infectious and is largely confined to parts of Western Africa.

Based on differences in one of the nine genes that make up the virus, HIV-1 is placed in three major groups. The most prevalent, Group M, has eight geographically distinct subtypes.

Worobey and his colleagues looked at subtype B. Though it is found mainly in North America and Europe, the strain is present in the most number of countries.

The researchers analyzed tissue samples from five Haitian AIDS patients collected in 1982 and 1983. All five had then recently immigrated to the U.S. and were among the first recognized victims of AIDS.

A family tree constructed from the HIV-1 genes of the five Haitians and subtype B gene sequences from 19 other countries place the Haitian virus at the root of all branches.

"This is strong evidence that HIV-1 subtype B arrived and began spreading in Haiti before it did elsewhere," Worobey said.

It is generally thought that the virus arrived with Haitian professionals returning from Zaire (now the Democratic Republic of the Congo) following a wave of nationalism there in the 1960s.

Using advanced statistical techniques, Worobey and his colleagues estimated that the subtype B strain reached Haiti sometime around 1966 and the United States around 1969.

"Until AIDS was initially recognized in 1981, the virus was cryptically [hiddenly] circulating in a sophisticated medical environment for the better part of 12 years," Worobey said....

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122 comments:

Vernunft said...

I spent a year in Miami, and it seemed like Haiti was a source of immigrants for jobs the whites and Cubans didn't want to do. Classy city.

Anonymous said...

I work w/ several Haitians whose parents left in the 60s and 70s to escape Papa Doc for political reasons. They are as black as can be, although you always say that the elite were mulattos. The second generation are smart and a pleasure to work with.

I also employ several recent Haitian immigrants in a factory. They are all Haitian Baptists. They are amongst my best workers.

Finally, I have a friend who teaches "English learners" in the NYC Public Schools, and she says the nicest, most obedient, easiest to teach students are the Haitians.

I live and work in the maelstrom of NYC immigrants, and I prefer the Haitians to almost any other immigrant group.

Just to give you another perspective.

Anonymous said...

We have over 10% unemployment. Florida's economy has suffered even more than much of the rest of the country because its so dependent on people having disposable income to vacation there. Not only would hundreds of thousands of Haitians be unskilled, but innumerate, illiterate, and computer-illiterate. What could they really do except go straight to welfare, whereby we basically pay them to breed and get sucked into the underclass/prison carousel here? Its an act of cruelty to subject the people of Florida to something like this, especially now.

I keep telling myself that our financial situation will someday occur to the people in charge here, but it doesn't seem to be happening. Maybe they intend to stiff the T-bill holders after all, and not even try to pay our debt back (come'n get it, Chicoms).

I bet I can think of one country that Elliot Abrams, John Pod's brother-in-law, would NOT want to see even 10,000 Haitains resettled in, and it even is located near an ocean with plentiful beaches so they can feel "at home".


Can't resist: Why do I feel that Abrams would have no qualms at all about Haitian/redneck intermarriage despite his spending the 1990's against intermmariage for the group that he indentifies with?

Anonymous said...

Haitian literacy (from the CIA world fact book):

Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 52.9%
male: 54.8%
female: 51.2% (2003 est.)



How on earth could these people not be a huge money-suck for us? Barely half of them over 15 can even read and write (much less count, multiply, divide, make change at burger-flipping jobs, etc.)

Average Joe said...

This is what the State Department had to say about crime in Haiti back in November 2009:

CRIME: There are no "safe” areas in Haiti. There is a persistent danger of violent crime, which can be subject to periodic surges sometimes not obviously explained by other events or conditions. Haiti is among the four most important countries for drug transit to the United States. Law and order in Haiti has steadily deteriorated as a result. Kidnapping, death threats, murders, drug-related shootouts, armed robberies, home break-ins and car-jacking are common in Haiti. Generally, these crimes are committed by Haitians against other Haitians, although several foreigners and U.S. citizens have been victimized. The incidence of kidnapping in Haiti has diminished from its peak in 2006 when 60 U.S, citizens were reported kidnapped. In 2008, there were 27 reported kidnappings of U.S. citizens, and as of September 2009, one U.S. citizen had been reported kidnapped. Many U.S. citizens who were kidnapped reported being beaten and/or raped by their hostage takers. Kidnapping remains the most critical security concern. Kidnappers have frequently targeted children.

See more at:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1134.html

Anonymous said...

"They are as black as can be, although you always say that the elite were mulattos."

I've been to Port-au-Prince. I saw few Haitians that seemed light skinned. I couldn't tell the difference between the rich and poor.

Truth said...

Haitians should be allowed to immigrate here. That would be the best way to help them.

Their largest city is completely destroyed and there is little hope that it will be rebuilt anytime soon.

Plus, more Haitians = more democrats in Florida. Obama would be a fool to pass this opportunity up.

Like Rahm said: "You never want to let a good crisis go to waste."

Anonymous said...

Truth: Plus, more Haitians = more democrats in Florida. Obama would be a fool to pass this opportunity up.

Like Rahm said: "You never want to let a good crisis go to waste."



Well, at least for once I can say, fairly confidently, that Truth isn't being facetious or sarcastic.

Thanks for the honesty.

William1066 said...

The best way to help Haiti is to end it as an independent nation. Work out a deal for Brazil to annex the place and make all the Haitians into Brazilian citizens. A lot of them can immigrate to Brazil ASAP. In return, Brazil can develop Haiti's natural resources. I suspect that in any fair referendum, the Haitians would vote overwhelmingly for such a union, although maybe not so much the Brazilians.

Seriously, it is idiotic to have 200 or 'sovereign' nations.

Anonymous said...

That reminds me of the old joke:

Q: "What's the worst thing about getting diagnosed with AIDS?"

A: "Having to tell your parents that you're Haitian."

Anonymous said...

My friend from Haiti is very old. She looks white to me and her daughter has blonde hair and blue eyes. I have seen black and white photos of her parents and siblings. All dark haired but if they were part African, it was a really small part. They look more Mediterranean, but I'm no expert. They left Haiti in the 50's and moved to New York.

AllanF said...

All week I've been thinking when are people going to remember Haiti was once (still?) an HIV hot-bed and on the Red Cross' cannot donate blood list?

Anonymous said...

If Haiti were smart, they would offer corporations a tax free environment so long as they pay employees at least $2 an hour and provide free birth control to their employees. Of course Haiti isn't smart.

Dahlia said...

Abrams, and others like him, remind me so much of Sarkozy telling the French (white) people that the survival of France necessitated them intermarrying with the non-whites, yet, Sarkozy himself is married to Carla Bruni. Abrams doesn't see himself as a hypocrite because his discrimination is religious, rather than ethnically based. Convenient.

http://galliawatch.blogspot.com/2008/12/mtissage-now-its-obligation.html

What's loathsome is that the government imports poor people, or moves native poor people near middle-class people, without their consent, and then will heap scorn on the latter group when they won't intertwine their lives with the impoverished aliens.

An illustration of how extreme this scheme is:
I have a cousin for whom diversity is a religion which he got with his mother's milk. He's rich, a Harvard grad, etc., and only dated women of color. Even he dated only his peers, though, as they were all Harvard students; he got engaged while in school. His Hispanic wife came from the elite of her country.
People like him would never tolerate the impoverished and unintelligent masses being force upon them... who would? In fact, Chris Rock made fun of my cousin's city and said they stuck all their black people across the bay.

Dutch reader said...

If the US is gonna let in a lot of Haitians, why not let them repopulate Detroit?

Whiskey said...

Realistically, America will HAVE to intervene in Haiti and run things to prevent oh say about 70% of the 9 million Haitians who are as bad off as Steve says washing up on Florida shores.

And lets get realistic. The person who wants Haitians in the US is one Barack Hussein Obama. Whose afrocentric views of humanity color that of his subordinates (Eric Holder, Valerie Jarrett, etc.) and has ambitions about permanent Democratic Majorities by importing the Third World.

More accurate would be "Surrender to the World," which is in fact the policy of Democrats. Particularly THIS President.

Re Jews vs. Israelis, Netanyahu plans to build a giant wall on the Egyptian border because he feels that Third World immigration is bad for Israel and challenged Israeli manufactures with the words that they won't like it, but Third World immigration threatens Israel and the weakest ones most.

However a great many US Jews put SWPL views (excepting a few old-school, older traditionalists or White working class "Howard Stern" listeners) over Israel. Sarah Silverman, to pick one example, would rather Israel be nuked than jettison her SWPL values (she plugged for Obama constantly). Israelis have only 10% approval ratings for Obama, US Jews something like 70%.

The difference (both are Jews, same genetic background)? SWPL is a lot more prevalent in the US. Getting rocketed by Hamas AFTER YOUR NATION BUGGED OUT OF GAZA tends to knock the SWPL out of you.

But lets be honest. The man driving admitting Haitians into the US is one Barack Hussein Obama, President of the United States. Who is the first Black President. That tells you where his priorities are.

Will opposition to importing permanent poverty in a time of deep recession be successfully shouted down as "racist?"

I think, and hope, at this point not.

agnostic said...

Let them into Mexico, which has a GDP per capita that is 10 times that of Haiti.

As for why no one knew about Haiti and HIV -- the newspaper of record didn't deem it worth reporting. I searched the NYT for "hiv haiti" and there are only 40 results, most of which just mention that Haiti has an HIV problem.

There are only 2 articles that mention Haiti's potential role in spreading HIV to the U.S. The first is from 1990, about 10 years after the disease had a name, and even then it's dismissive:

"Dr. Grmek punctures some other widely held beliefs. One is that Haiti was the bridge the disease crossed to get from Africa to the United States; it is much more likely, he shows, that American gay men took AIDS to Haiti."

Hopefully someone made a Simon-Erlich bet with that numbnuts.

The second is from 1998 and is neutral:

"It may have gone to Haiti with the French-speaking Haitians who filled up Zaire's civil service after the Belgians fled in 1960. It may have gone straight to America, perhaps with the Peace Corps. It may have gone to Cuba with soldiers returning from northern Angola."

That's the full extent of the NYT's coverage of Haiti's role in spreading HIV. No wonder we're so clueless.

headache said...

What's got into Vernunft lately?

Steve Sailer said...

The Haitian Connection was well-publicized early in the history of AIDS. In 1981-82, there was talk of the Four H Club: homosexuals, heroin addicts, hemophiliacs, and Haitians.

But, much of the history of AIDS was shoved down the memory hole.

Vernunft said...

"What's got into Vernunft lately?"

Sup?

Anonymous said...

The Haitian Connection was well-publicized early in the history of AIDS.

And don't forget 1990's classic SNL commercial parody for "Bad Idea Jeans": http://www.hulu.com/watch/10310/saturday-night-live-bad-idea-jeans

Normally I wear protection, but then I thought, "When am I gonna make it back to Haiti?"

green mamba said...

Steve's anti-neocon barbs are cheap and smack of talking points and spin. One internet debate is supposed to indicate that Abrams "spent the 90s" campaigning against intermarriage? And what exactly does that have to do with his Middle East policy? And letting Haitian refugees in is supposed only to provide "cannon fodder"?

The constant imputation of only the most base and evil motives to neocons - as if they were completely devoid of humanity and idealism - is silly. They may be dead wrong, or partially wrong or misguided, on many issues, but they're hardly the monsters portrayed in much of the paleocon and WN community.

Truth said...

"Let them into Mexico, which has a GDP per capita that is 10 times that of Haiti."


I was going to call BULLSHIT on your post...until I actually looked up Mexico on the CIA World Factbook.

I didn't know how high (for a poor country) the per capita GDP was (in PPP) for Mexico.

It is now slightly higher than Argentina's, which is surprising.

Hopefully Mexico's economy tanks soon, causing more immigrants to come to America.

After what happened in MA, we need every possible Dem vote to keep the Tea Party radicals from turning this country into the "Fourth Reich."

I call this my "Anti-Sailer Strategy."

Dusty said...

Whiskey,

Your argument seems to be that because Jews aren't completely monolithic or consistent in their views and positions within the different societies and nations they reside in, Kevin MacDonald and those espousing similar views must be wrong.

MacDonald never claims that they are wholly consistent and monolithic in their views. The differences between Israelis and many Jews in the US that you bring up are entirely consistent with the general thrust of MacDonald's argument.

anony-mouse said...

I always thought it was an Air Canada flight attendant who brought AIDS to the US.

Be that as it may. There's a potential gain here for the HBD right if they play things properly.

Allow the many wealthy childless liberals to adopt as many Haitian children as they want (Bruno-style). If HBD is correct that will leave a dumber left in the future.

(Indeed this will be a very good nature-nurture experiment)

Anonymous said...

Haitians should be unequivocally allowed to immigrate through a special visa/refugee program. Up to 10% of the population can easily be assimilated in Florida, New York and other Haitian population centers. Canada needs to do its share of the lifting too.

Anonymous said...

It is true that Haitian immigration will benefit the Democratic party - and they should take advantage of it forthwith, while the sympathy is high. It will be a pleasure watching the uppity Cuban Republicans squirming. Perhaps there will be Cuban flight in Miami.

Mr. Anon said...

"Steve Sailer said...

The Haitian Connection was well-publicized early in the history of AIDS. In 1981-82, there was talk of the Four H Club: homosexuals, heroin addicts, hemophiliacs, and Haitians.

But, much of the history of AIDS was shoved down the memory hole."

Yes, the Haiti-AIDS connection was common knowledge as recently as the mid nineties, as this clip from SNL demonstrates (wait till the end for David Spade's line):

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=29142196

(parenthetically, in hindsight, Phil Hartmann's bit is kind of morbid)

Mr. Anon said...

1966 as the date that AIDS arrived in Haiti? Perhaps it was those self-same UN employees who were refugees from Papa Doc's Haiti who brought the disease back from Africa.

I noticed that alot of the comments on Abram's article at the WaPo site were critical, if not downright hostile. Good on them. I would like to ask Mr. Abrams: How many Haitian refugees does he think that his neighborhood should take in? How many Haitian refugees should Israel take in?

Anonymous said...

I see that Mark Krikorian is pointing out the difference between the attitude of America and Israel to illiegal immigration on NRO.

Given the history of National Review towards anyone who even seems to hint at criticism of Jews or Israel, he's skating on thin ice.

Anonymous said...

Haiti as sex tourism destination seems odd to me.

Het-wise, having spent lotsa time in black Caribbean countries, there seems to be no such thing as prostitution there; the idea that a man would pay a woman for sex, rather than, um, finding another way to obtain sex from said woman, seems not on the radar, and I'd extrapolate that to Africa.

Pedo-wise, although there is some indication of diddlers visiting Africa on diddle junkets, they seem to greatly prefer Oriental (why can't we use this word anymore? much better than Asian/East Asian.) and white children, and I just don't see Haiti as a pedo haven.

Fagwise, I suppose I could see it, a bit, but gay sex doesn't seem to be the type of thing one needs to fly to another country for, see Craigslist for example, and if one did, you'd think they'd go to Brazil or Cambodia.

"Haitians should be allowed to immigrate here. That would be the best way to help them."

These guys our pals? Our friends? What have they ever done for us, besides blaming the white man for everything? It's a security hazard for the white community to import a hostile ethnic group.

The intelligent citizen practices reciprocity, and unless and until black people EVERYWHERE lift a *fucking* finger for white people for once - maybe hold a White People Appreciation Day for all those "civil rights" and all that foreign aid we give them - I say fuck 'em.

Imagine explaining to people a hundred, or five hundred, or two thousand years ago the concept of foreign aid, let alone Sport's genius plan to flood America with hostile ethnics. Taxing the citizens of your own country so you can just give it to another country, often ending up in the pockets of corrupt politicians and officials, with nothing in return except demands for more, more, more. They'd think we are completely mad.

If the Haitians in my city were less prone to being gang members, thieves, rapists, and race hustlers I might give a crap about Haiti. Reciprocity, remember.

Anonymous said...

This article is currently the headline of Israel's business news daily:

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000532654&fid=942

Netanyahu promises clampdown on foreign workers

Netanyahu also pursued his aggressive stance against foreign workers, saying, "I don’t know whether you've been Eilat or Arad recently, but parts of them have changed unrecognizably. The same is true of Tel Aviv. These changes are not welcome, and we must stop them. I'm flying from here to Har Harif in the Negev and to Mevu'ot Gaza in order to create a decision that will establish an obstacle to this infiltration from Africa into Israel. The barrier will be partly land-based in the north and south, and in middle we'll take advantage of electronic items and patrols. We're going to create a barrier. Otherwise, the flood will come, and we can't allow ourselves to be swept away. We founded a Jewish and democratic state, and we can't let it turn into a foreign workers state."

Anonymous said...

I see that Mark Krikorian is pointing out the difference between the attitude of America and Israel to illiegal immigration on NRO.

Speaking of Krikorian, Brad Delong frequently blogs about him. Delong always attacks him, of course.

Back in December Delong pointed to a Krikorian article as one of the Ten Economic Paragraphs Worth Reading.

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/12/ten-economics-paragraphs-worth-reading-december-16-2009.html

He titled it: "9) STUPIDEST THING I HAVE READ TODAY: Armenian-American Person of Color Mark Krikorian Calls for a Boycott of the Census:"

This title is interesting because it reflects one of the attitudes that elite liberal whites have towards minorities i.e. "all you semi/less/non whites get in line and do as we say....you get uppity and we'll call out your foreign, Armenoid ass."

Anonymous said...

"Canada needs to do its share of the lifting too."

Needs to? We've been spending $100 million a year there for nearly the last decade. We have Mounties there training there cops. We already have over 100,000 Haitians in Montreal and the effect of that is that white Montrealers don't go to clubs anymore, they have private raves.

We have a Haitian as Governor General and she a) encourages graffiti among (nonwhite) youth (against primarily white property owners) as a legitimate art form (!), and 2) views her appointment as, quote, "sweet revenge".

A hundred mil a year and still 50%of the population has no access to drinking water, and half the population is illiterate. And you want us to do....more?

Go fuck yourself. We've given far more than any other country on the planet and in the eyes of many Canadians, far too much.

There's the story of a bunch of white Canadian schoolkids who were in Haiti during the quake. They were there helping to set up a goat farm and - let's stop there for a moment; as Mark Steyn asks, what friggin' country seeks the aid of *children* from a land far away to build a friggin' goat farm?

Anyway, of course the kids got robbed, they still pooled their money (hit their parents up for money, really) to buy supplies to give to the Haitians.

Anonymous said...

I don't see how letting in Haitians does America any good at all. They are undesirables. Nor do I see why Canada should have to "do its share of the lifting". Canada never had any historic connection to Haiti. But the real problem is that Haiti has very high birthrates and Haitians have ruined Haiti. The population of Haiti was about 4 million in 1960 and is now pushing 10 million. So even if we took in a large number, 20 or 30 years from now we would be right back where we are now.

John Seiler said...

Invade Haiti, invite Haitians -- for 100 years. 2010 marks a century since the U.S. took over from France the fun job of being deeply involved in running Haiti, which we have done continually ever since. How's that been working out?

If the disasters in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. weren't reason enough for the U.S. to stop meddling everywhere, Haiti would do the trick. Now, Obama is promising to "reconstruct" Haiti -- just like the U.S. government "reconstructed" Detroit.

Justin Raimondo has the sad story on Haiti, with a ton of links, here: http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2004/03/03/haiti-a-case-history/

Anonymous said...

Is a Camp of the Saints-like scenario looming?

DHS Making Plans to Entice Haitians to Risk Illegal Boat Effort Into U.S.?

Starker said...

"I believe that the human animal – the raw material of our physical bodies – is essentially interchangeable. By this I mean that I could take the children of Fallujah and turn them all into Astronauts, convert Jewish babies into fanatical, mass-murdering SS guards, and shake a generation of the poorest Voodoo-worshippers in Haiti into a cadre of top-flight nuclear physicists, chemical engineers and computer scientists."

Who the hell is this lefty pinhead? Well, it's Bill Whittle, a "conservative" sage who appears frequently at NRO, Free Republic and other salons featuring deep thought and commentary, writing in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. Now some of this is bilge to cover his ass, but I believe the fool could pass a lie detector test while bloviating his first paragraph.

OK, now let's cut to a large eastern city. Recently I sat at a table with two liberal friends, he's a doctor, she's a lawyer. They are smart. I try to address the same subject that Whittle has mooted: "Could Somalis, Hmong and Gypsies, for instance, step up and replace, say, Jews and WASPs as they and others inevitably will in the U.S.?" She: "Sure, but it would take a few generations." How many? "About three." He concurred. The fact that Jews won about 180 Nobel Prizes (estimates vary slightly) doesn't seem to register.

This is what we're dealing with. There are no group differences, the pesky cultural distinctions i.e. belief in voodoo, Sharia, will melt away in no time. Europe's canary in the coal mine role is ignored. It's like a religious faith, it does not respond to reason, and they outnumber us. Presidents Bush and Obama worship at the same altar as do the universities and the media.

They are not kidding! We'll be lucky if they don't make Haiti the 51st state.

Anonymous said...

"Who the hell is this lefty pinhead? Well, it's Bill Whittle, a "conservative" sage..."

Yeah, I remember that. I think he said he could take any kid and turn him into an astronaut or some such nonsense, glad I'm not the only one to notice that. Another "former" lefty. We should make a rule: anyone who is a lefty past, say, 32, isn't allowed to switch teams. Wait, that might be cutty off nosey to spite facey, so let's just make them wear a big, red "L" on their person.

This is why I say the "neo-con" narrative is inherently Trotskyist: their obsession with Islam assumes that it is their religion that is the problem, and if and when they become good atheists everything will be ticketyboo and people of widely differing ethnicities will, for the first time ever and despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, live happily ever after.

The Un-Satan said...

Dear President Soetoro,

As a show of Pan-African brotherhood: how about sending ten million American blacks -- all volunteers, of course -- to Haiti to build desperately needed goat farms? Those nubile Canadian coeds get badly sunburned doing this work anyway.

This new Marshall Goat Plan would drastically lower the unemployment rate in the USA and simultaneously produce an abundance of goat farms in a nation with a severe goat farm shortage. It's a classic win-win, and that's good politics.

P.S. Congrats on your first year in office, Barry. You really hit it out of the park.

l said...

Anybody watch TV last night? All network programming preempted for a Haiti telethon. As I recall the networks collaborated like this only twice before: For the 9/11 survivors and after Katrina. I guess Haiti is part of the US now.

Cokester said...

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I guess Haiti is part of the US now.

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Wow. You sound like a traitor to the global village.

Anonymous said...

If HIV were really the cause of AIDS, I wouldn't think that the populations of Africa and Haiti would continue to increase as substantially as they have. I've read Duesberg and am not sure what to think except that the mainstream theory can't be entirely correct.

Cordelia said...

Why not offer Haitians free transport to Senegal where the Senegalese president has offered Haitian refugees FREE LAND and even a WHOLE REGION if they need it:

Senegal offers land to Haitians that want to come

Senegal is offering free land to Haitians wishing to "return to their origins" following this week's devastating earthquake, which has destroyed the capital and buried thousands of people beneath rubble.

Senegal's octogenarian President Abdoulaye Wade told a meeting of his advisers that Haitians are the sons and daughters of Africa, because the country was founded by slaves, including some believed to have come from Senegal.

"The president is offering voluntary repatriation to any Haitian that wants to return to their origin," said Wade's spokesman Mamadou Bemba Ndiaye late Saturday following the president's announcement.

"Senegal is ready to offer them parcels of land - even an entire region. It all depends on how many Haitians come. If it's just a few individuals, then we will likely offer them housing or small pieces of land. If they come en masse we are ready to give them a region," he said.

He stressed that Wade had insisted that if a region is handed over it should be in a fertile area - not in the country's parched deserts.

Senegal, a nation of 14 million roughly the size of South Dakota, is considered one of the most stable and developed in the sub-region. Still nearly half of working-age adults are unemployed and the country has been burdened by high food prices, frequent blackouts and spiraling energy costs....

Otis the Sweaty said...

"Abrams, and others like him, remind me so much of Sarkozy telling the French (white) people that the survival of France necessitated them intermarrying with the non-whites, yet, Sarkozy himself is married to Carla Bruni."

And it's a double whammy, as neither Sarkozy or Bruni are French!

Anonymous said...

Looking at all the enthusiastic adoptive parents, the rescue workers doing the grunt work, all I see are white faces. Don't blacks volunteer to ever do, or contribute, anything? Some of the entertainers for the fund raisers may be black but that just fits the pattern; screaming for whites to do something, to send more money. What a waste, working on behalf of people who can't be bothered to lift a finger themselves.

amir said...

There used to be a joke (when telling jokes was still permissible) What is the biggest challenge when you discover you have AIDS?
To convince your parents you're Haitian.

An Anti-Semite said...

their obsession with Islam

A little off-topic, but in defense of the Israelis, Islam is a growing and aggressive evil worth being obsessed about.

Cordelia said...

Second City Cop wants to know why Haitian refugees bound for Miami and New York are being funnelled through Chicago. Wait. What?

Curvaceous Carbon-based Life Form said...

"I live and work in the maelstrom of NYC immigrants, and I prefer the Haitians to almost any other immigrant group."

How about showing some loyalty and hire some actual Americans?

Curvaceous Carbon-based Life Form said...

"Plus, more Haitians = more democrats in Florida."

No. Send 'em to where you are. They can live in your house.

Anonymous said...

"I didn't know how high (for a poor country) the per capita GDP was (in PPP) for Mexico."


Mexico isn't a poor country. It has the greatest income disparity in the world. That is the difference between the top and the bottom is greater than in any other country in the world. That is why the poor leave. The bottom in the USA is so much higher in the USA than the bottom in Mexico.

Anonymous said...

This earthquake was the best thing to happen to Haiti in a while. If you live off of foreign aid, the worst thing that can happen to you is compassion fatigue. With a real disaster like this, they'll get a good sized spike in their GDP. There'll be some new interest in trying to develop the place. Maybe Brad Pitt will build a house there.

I'm sure Hollywood loves this sort of thing. I saw Meg Ryan on the telecast last night. See producers! She's still
around. She's still relevant. I bet there were a lot of jealous c-listers last night, that's for sure.

Mr. Anon said...

"green mamba said...

Steve's anti-neocon barbs are cheap and smack of talking points and spin. One internet debate is supposed to indicate that Abrams "spent the 90s" campaigning against intermarriage? And what exactly does that have to do with his Middle East policy? And letting Haitian refugees in is supposed only to provide "cannon fodder"?

These are listed (at Wikipedia, for what that's worth) as being among Mr. Abrams publications from the 1990's:

# Abrams, Elliott and Dalin, David, ed (February 1999). Secularism, Spirituality, and the Future of American Jewry. Ethics & Public Policy Center. ISBN 0-89633-190-3.
# Faith or Fear: How Jews Can Survive in a Christian America. Free Press. June 1997. pp. 256. ISBN 0-684-82511-2.

That's more than just an internet chat. Why, it could even be called a "campaign".

Also, among his past or current affiliations are the following:

# American Committee for Peace in Chechnya: Member
# American Jewish Committee: Former member, National Advisory Council
# Committee for Peace and Security in the Gulf: Former Member (1998)
# Committee on U.S. Interests in the Middle East: Former Member
# Council on Foreign Relations: Member
# Heritage Foundation: Alumnus of Heritage Foundation Resource Bank
# Middle East Forum: Signatory of 2000 report urging military action against Syria
# Project for the New American Century: Signatory of 1997 Statement of Principles and various other statements
# Social Democrats, USA: Former member

Infer from that what you will. His background was left-to liberal. Oh yeah, his father was an immigration attorney too, and he practiced immigration law for awhile himself.

I think it's fair to say that I have no reason to trust Mr. Abrams motives.

corvinus said...

My friend from Haiti is very old. She looks white to me and her daughter has blonde hair and blue eyes. I have seen black and white photos of her parents and siblings. All dark haired but if they were part African, it was a really small part. They look more Mediterranean, but I'm no expert. They left Haiti in the 50's and moved to New York.

A friend of mine in Minnesota, an Englishman, married a white Haitian woman a few years ago. So yes, they do exist, but are about as common as white Zimbabweans these days.

Martin said...

Somebody ought to ask Elliot Abrams to adopt a few Haitian orphans to prove he is sincere about his concern for Haitians.

corvinus said...

Steve's anti-neocon barbs are cheap and smack of talking points and spin. One internet debate is supposed to indicate that Abrams "spent the 90s" campaigning against intermarriage? And what exactly does that have to do with his Middle East policy? And letting Haitian refugees in is supposed only to provide "cannon fodder"?

The constant imputation of only the most base and evil motives to neocons - as if they were completely devoid of humanity and idealism - is silly. They may be dead wrong, or partially wrong or misguided, on many issues, but they're hardly the monsters portrayed in much of the paleocon and WN community.


Oh I wouldn't say they're devoid of idealism. But yes, they are a scourge. Why do you think Obama got in? People couldn't stand the neocons Bush and McCain. We need more Tea Party campaigns against these idiots. And I'd say that contest in NY wasn't a loss... it was exactly what was needed. Owens will be out in November anyway.

I was going to call BULLSHIT on your post...until I actually looked up Mexico on the CIA World Factbook.

I didn't know how high (for a poor country) the per capita GDP was (in PPP) for Mexico.

It is now slightly higher than Argentina's, which is surprising.

Hopefully Mexico's economy tanks soon, causing more immigrants to come to America.

After what happened in MA, we need every possible Dem vote to keep the Tea Party radicals from turning this country into the "Fourth Reich."

I call this my "Anti-Sailer Strategy."


I think Sailer already outlined an Anti-Sailer strategy wherein whites get corralled into Dem-friendly government jobs.

Mexico City is definitely First World right now, and Nuevo Leon State (where Monterrey is) is richer than Portugal ($26,000 vs. $22,000). As for Mexico overall, its per-capita GDP is over $13,000, comparable to Poland and Argentina. Stereotypes die hard, but it's amazing what Mexicans have been able to accomplish despite the culture of corruption, drugs, and so forth weighing them down.

Mexico's development and its now low birth rate (about the same as the U.S. overall) has accounted for a large part in the drop in illegal immigration from that country, but nobody ever mentions that. If Mexicans are only having slightly more babies than White Americans, a demographic takeover becomes much more difficult, to say the least. (In fact, Puerto Ricans and Cubans have fewer!)

On the other hand, OTMs (Other Than Mexicans) have jumped from less than 10% of apprehensions in 2000 to about 20% today. The demographic threat to our south is still there, but has shifted further away to Central America and Hispaniola.

ATBOTL said...

Whiskey, you keep talking about how the Jews who advocate non-white immigration to America are anti-Israel(which isn't even true), but we are talking about Elliott Abrams here. How do explain his positions?

albertosaurus said...

Lynn and Vanhanen's work tells us that the correlation between a nation's average IQ and a nation's wealth is about .54. No other factor is as important.

Yet this Saturday morning the pundits on TV cannot "connect the dots". There is a spirited debate along party lines as to whether public governmental help is better than private corporate assistance. They discuss the blackest nation in the Western Hemisphere that is also the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere and never consider that there might be a connection.

Anonymous said...

some figures on this

http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/01/immigration-from-haiti-is-terrible-way.html

Anonymous said...

Lynn and Vanhanen's work tells us that the correlation between a nation's average IQ and a nation's wealth is about .54. No other factor is as important.

If you threw out the Arab Muslim petroleum wealth, and the economic retardation that Marxism imposed [or is still imposing] on Eastern Europe, the old Soviet Union states, China, and North Korea, then the correlation would probably be a lot closer to 0.9999999999.

Anonymous said...

Somebody ought to ask Elliot Abrams to adopt a few Haitian orphans to prove he is sincere about his concern for Haitians.

Better yet, let him marry off his three children, Jacob, Sarah, and Joseph, to Haitians, so that he can have a passel of mixed-breed Afro-Zionist grandchildren, with IQs of about

67 + [(0.5) * (130 - 67)] = 98.5.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

Anonymous said...

1. Haitian IQ will increase in the US from about 67-68 to 85 in a couple of generations.

2. Immigrants from the Carribean (including Haitians) do better than African Americans.

3. Letting about 10% of the population will have a trivial affect on American IQ (which is about 96 at the moment)

4. As Abrams mentions, it will allow Haiti to set up an authentic remittance economy

5. Why isn't Puerto Rico a state yet? It would become the beachhead of American dominance of the Carribean, and could have been quite useful in solving the impending Haiti problem.

Truth said...

"Mexico isn't a poor country. It has the greatest income disparity in the world. That is the difference between the top and the bottom is greater than in any other country in the world. That is why the poor leave. The bottom in the USA is so much higher in the USA than the bottom in Mexico."


This is NOT true. I got the following stats below from the CIA World Factbook:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html?countryName=Mexico&countryCode=mx&regionCode=na&rank=32#mx

Gini Index for USA: 45.0

Gini Index for Mexico: 47.9

The distribution of family income for Mexico and the USA is the almost the same.

The only difference is Mexico has 1/3 the per capita GDP of the USA (in PPP).

I am learning more and more about Mexico every day.

I wonder who came up with the fairy tale that Mexicans are super poor & super oppressed?

Oh, well.

Whatever works to get more immigration of potential Dem voters is fine by me.

jody said...

"Mexico's development and its now low birth rate (about the same as the U.S. overall) has accounted for a large part in the drop in illegal immigration from that country, but nobody ever mentions that."

probably because it's not true. the current unemployment rate in the US, and the (temporary) defeat of amnesty, is the reason that mexicans are not jumping the border at the same rate they were even 5 years ago, back when unemployment was lower and GW bush was right in the middle of trying to turn america into mexico. lots of illegal aliens from mexico actually left the US in 2008 and 2009 after it became much harder to find work. from what i've seen, the difference in some towns in the north was night and day. places where dozens of mexicans used to loiter are now devoid of them. somehow, everything did not grind to a halt like the liberals told us they would.

the mexican economy is dependent on a single HUGE oil field called the cantarell. at it's peak, sometime in the last decade, cantarell was producing over 2 million barrels of oil per day. combined with other smaller oil fields in mexico, mexico is an oil exporter, and the national government in mexico makes something ludicrous, like 40% of it's budget, from taxing pemex, the nationalized oil company. oil money greatly helped mexico develop. mexico even subsidizes the price of gasoline, like other third world nations with a major oil output, to encourage development.

except this is all in the process of ending. the cantarell oil field is in decline and will, within 2 years, produce only about 500000 barrels of oil per day. when this happens, mexico will stop exporting oil - and start importing it. all the tax money which the government derives from taxing pemex will be greatly reduced, the gasoline subsidy will be gone, and tons of money will be sucked into paying venezuela or canada or whoever to import oil.

this will cause the economy in mexico to fall, or maybe even crash, sending millions of american indians and mestizos north to jump the border. there is a MAJOR political battle over pemex in the mexican congress, because the mexican constitution explicitly forbids allowing foreign oil companies access to mexican oil fields - but without smart white guys from exxon and BP and royal dutch shell, pemex will not be able to figure out how to recover deep water oil or reduce the rate at which existing oil fields are declining. mexican politicians do not want the oil money to run out, but they also cannot all agree on whether or not to allow foreign oil operations into mexico.

this story, the story of oil in mexico, is probably the first or second most important topic when it comes to "south of da borda". more important than the drug trade. and of course, it almost totally unreported in the US national news. there are probably enough euro-mexicans with enough brainpower to develop mexico at a steady rate, provided they get several billion dollars a year, forever, of free oil money. but without that free infusion of oil money, every year, endlessly? probably not. mexico probably goes back to being economically stagnant.

Truth said...

Jody said:

"...this will cause the economy in mexico to fall, or maybe even crash, sending millions of american indians and mestizos north to jump the border."


I hope you are right.

The Tea Party is essentially using the "Sailer Strategy" to win (read Pat's column over at Takimag called "Has Obama Lost White America?").

An "Anti-Sailer Strategy" is needed to just keep the Dems from being destroyed.

Captain Jack Aubrey said...

Abrams doesn't see himself as a hypocrite because his discrimination is religious, rather than ethnically based. Convenient.

Judaism is an ethnoreligion. Abrams can effectively pick one or the other, depending upon which is more convenient in the given circumstances.

I say we make a deal with Abrams: America will take a million Haitians if Israel will.

Haitians should be allowed to immigrate here. That would be the best way to help them. Their largest city is completely destroyed and there is little hope that it will be rebuilt anytime soon.

Of course it won't be rebuilt if all of their worthy labor comes here! We need the Haitians to stay in Haiti to help with the rebuilding.

The city is rubble because of an earthquake. But it's rubble, too, because it's poor. The Loma Prieta quake was of roughly similar magnitude and took less than 70 lives.

And lets get realistic. The person who wants Haitians in the US is one Barack Hussein Obama.

Did you see the reports of his latest speech? The man is literally in the process of becoming a Third World, Mugabe/Chavez-style dictator.

Given the history of National Review towards anyone who even seems to hint at criticism of Jews or Israel, he's skating on thin ice.

No - a National Review that would bar him from The Corner is skating on thin ice.

green mamba said...

"We should make a rule: anyone who is a lefty past, say, 32, isn't allowed to switch teams."

Woo, I just made it in. I turned "righty" in 2001, at the age of 32.

Not that I was a lefty before, but mostly apolitical.

Marty said...

Mexico receives between 25 to 40 billion dollars every year by satisfying the drug hunger of gringos.

Anonymous said...

"And it's a double whammy, as neither Sarkozy or Bruni are French!"

Sarkozy is a quarter French (and half Hungarian gentile and a quarter Sephardic Jewish).

Sideways said...

If HIV were really the cause of AIDS, I wouldn't think that the populations of Africa and Haiti would continue to increase as substantially as they have.

You might want to actually check out the population growth rates of high-AIDS African states. Some of them are negative. Haiti's rate was 1.6% before this, IIRC.

Anonymous said...

Truth ("After what happened in MA, we need every possible Dem vote to keep the Tea Party radicals from turning this country into the 'Fourth Reich.'") is now sounding like a parody of Earl Raab ("The Census Bureau has just reported that about half of the American population will soon be non-white or non-European. And they will all be American citizens. We have tipped beyond the point where a Nazi-Aryan party will be able to prevail in this country. We [Jews] have been nourishing the American climate of opposition to bigotry for about half a century. That climate has not yet been perfected, but the heterogeneous nature of our population tends to make it irreversible—and makes our constitutional constraints against bigotry more practical than ever.")

Thomas said...

Erm, Steve, this is interesting in and of itself, but I'm not sure where "cannon fodder" comes in, unless you have some meaning that is eluding me. I don't see Haitians being particularly well-suited to military service in Mid-East wars, at least not any more suited than, say, Mexicans, who make up between a quarter and a third of the Army and Marines at this point. Haiti, as you point out, is one of those countries without much a middle in terms of it's population: either you're going to get the uneducated masses or you're going to get the elites. The elites aren't likely to let their children serve, certainly not in any capacity that is dangerous, steering them more likely to ethnic patronage / shakedown rackets or business of some sort. The masses aren't really that useful in the context of modern military service. We don't really have much use for "cannon fodder" anymore.

Was there some other meaning that you intended or some inference that slipped by?

sista said...

The thing I don't get about Whiskey are his generally racist views concerning blacks coupled with that Scots-Irish ethnocentrism we all come to love. Kinda wierd.

I doubt US Jews are ever SWPL over Israel in practice. This dichotomy (hypocrisy) is an old result of Steve's research. They may like to worry about Palestinians in the media but when it comes to security checks, ethnic set-asides, day passes for Pals, sub-human security checkpoints in the occupied territories (official Israeli gov. designation for the Pal areas) and keeping out the hordes they probably cheer on Likud in secret. I once by chance overheard a bunch of young German Jews in Israel whilst cycling through that country. They were bitching about the separate queues for German nationals (now EU nationals) and foreigners at German Airports and how this is all so Nazi etc. From their accent I assume they grew up in Germany and thus effectively hold dual citizenship so in practice this does not affect them personally. And of course they would never dream of criticizing the much more rigorous and ethnocentric treatment non-Jews are subjected to in Israel. Coz u see there are 2 sets of rules for the enlightened and the heathen. What pisses me off about Whiskey is that he assumes none of us have been to Israel and we are so stupid that he can just feed us crap 24/7. I even witnessed those bombardments he wails about and got the impression the locals kinda welcomed this as an excuse for hammering the other side again.

headache said...

Cordeila sez:
Why not offer Haitians free transport to Senegal where the Senegalese president has offered Haitian refugees FREE LAND and even a WHOLE REGION if they need it:

I don't think they are going to bite. Being dirt-poor in Haiti a least gets u lots of media coverage coz it’s easy to access for lazy US reporters. But being dirt-poor in Senegal really sucks coz Europeans are not going to bother flying down there to write up sob-stories in order to generate yet another UN-Intervention or lift more money from pockets of dumbed-down whites.

Anonymous said...

Did you see the reports of his latest speech? The man is literally in the process of becoming a Third World, Mugabe/Chavez-style dictator.

To his credit, Spengler tried to warn everyone about this:

Obama's women reveal his secret
By Spengler
Feb 26, 2008
atimes.com

America's special grace
By Spengler
Jul 8, 2008
atimes.com

In the second of those essays, he develops a theme started here by Steve Sailer.

Captain Jack Aubrey said...

Erm, Steve, this is interesting in and of itself, but I'm not sure where "cannon fodder" comes in, unless you have some meaning that is eluding me.

It was a proposal made by Max Boot in 2005 to open US military service to "illegal [immigrnts] and, as important, to untold numbers of young men and women who are not here now but would like to come" - because to him a military that is "only" 7% foreign-born (as it is now) is not enough.

Can't imagine the (tens of) millions who might take us up on that offer, at greatly reduced pay (thus deterring pay increases for American born servicemen) because their daily life in some sub-Saharan hell is essentially already a form of military service. Of course they'd have to score higher than 15% percentile on the AFQT/ASVAB or whatever the entrance test is. But then with fifty million Africans applying that threshold would be greatly reduced, wouldn't it?

Also I can't imagine the wondrous purposes to which a largely non-citizen military would be put. It would make it so much easier for our politicians to use it against Americans if soldiers weren't American.

On a related note, Newsweek is now trying to revive the reputation of neoconservtives. Well, not exactly. But it's interesting that the author, David Margolick (yes, a Jew) is pretty much dismissive of neoconservatives except when they can be counted on to bludgeon traditional conservatives.

Victoria said...

We don't really have much use for "cannon fodder" anymore.

Are you kidding? The US government is never going to be released from it self-commitment to making war on the Muslims and the Middle East. Its politicians do not possess the spirit to undo the chains forged over decades that have entrapped them. Israel will forever need protection, since it will never alter its position re the Palestinians. Hence, the US will remain engaged in permanent war. Now, let's see. How many more Muslims are there left to kill?

Neither Obama nor any other entity will free this country from this abominable foreign policy (if such it can be called). We will keep messing with the Muslims, and they will keep taking revenge. If anything, it is as cannon fodder that prospective Haitian immigrants will be granted speedy citizenship.

Sooner or later, we're going to run out of those fanatical Scots-Irish white men, who love making war just for the sake of fighting. Then, where to turn?

Anonymous said...

"Truth said...

Whatever works to get more immigration of potential Dem voters is fine by me."

You used to claim that you were neither democrat nor republican "Truth", and implied that you were a libertarian. You seem to have revealed yourself.

For those who have not followed the meanderings of "Truth"'s opinions over the years, here's a short list of other things that "Truth" believes, based on previous posts: That cars can run on water, and that HIV was invented by whites in order to kill blacks.

Anything else "Truth"? Did blacks also invent the helicopter? The computer?

Please, enlighten up with your high-powered wikipedia-based learning.

gammy said...

Guys like Abrams don't really care for blacks. It's just that he wants to leave open the option of US taking in 100,000s or even millions of Israelis in the future should the Jewish state fail and fall into the hands of the growing Arab population.

So, the neocon idea of taking in 100,000s of Haitian refugees is to serve as a moral cover for taking in potentially a great numbers of Jewish refugees from the Middle East--and even from Europe if the Muslim population keeps rising and Jews come under increased threat of daily violence.

C. Van Carter said...

See these pages from Abrams' Faith or Fear. Among other things, he regretfully observes many Jewish parents today resist treating children who marry non-Jews as "dead". He characterizes this reluctance as a triumph of emotion over "intellectual analyses".

Anonymous said...

The US government is never going to be released from it self-commitment to making war on the Muslims and the Middle East.

In fairness, someone will have to be at war with Islam - it is the religion of the sword - it requires that infidels convert or be slaughtered.

Sooner or later, we're going to run out of those fanatical Scots-Irish white men, who love making war just for the sake of fighting.

That's a demographic problem, and while the USA Caucasian TFR has been below 2.1 [replacement level] for more than 30 years now, the Muslims have been very quietly biding their time and making as many babies as possible.

ATBOTL said...

I'm still waiting for Whiskey's explanation of Abrams' support for mass Haitian immigration in light of his concern for Israel and his opposition to Jews marrying non-Jews.

Thomas said...

Just to clarify, when I said that we don't have much use for cannon fodder anymore, I meant that there isn't much of a demand for low-quality and uneducated soldiers in modern warfare anymore (at least, as low quality and uneducated as the average Haitian illegal alien is likely to be). Not everyone has to be a genius in the military, but there are serious costs to recruiting people with lower-than-average intelligence to fight in a shooting war, as in, they screw up and get people killed kind of costs. If we need illegal immigrants to replace young Scotch-Irish men willing to kill (of which I was once one, former Marine Corps artillery (0844) here), Mexicans or other Latin American immigrants are a much better choice than Haitians. They are, on average, probably more intelligent, and they have both a macho culture that makes them as aggressive as you would ever need as well as historical and familial ties to US military service as is. How many Haitians have you ever heard of winning decorations for valor? There are also tens of millions of them between the Rio Grande and the Panama Canal.

kudzu bob said...

>I am learning more and more about Mexico every day.<

And when fifty or sixty million Hispanics have moved here, you will also learn just what they really think about people who look like you.

You really are dumb, Twoof. Instead of the "anti-Sailer strategy," you should call it the "keep-shooting-myself-in-the-foot-until-I-run-out-of-ammo-then-reload strategy."

Felix said...

the US will continue to need "cannon fodder" as long as it continues with overseas military interventions

but "cannon fodder" is a misleading phrase. Today's soldiers need a comparatively high IQ, education and English, so they can cope with the hi tech that gives the US its edge

of course a lot of our soldiers are silly young men with too much testosterone. But they are nevertheless trained professionals with pride in their country

recruiting mercenaries will give us their equals

(but if the mercenaries don't measure up, and get wounded in large numbers, it could give us a huge vets' bill)

Felix said...

Van Carter says: Abrams ... regretfully observes many Jewish parents today resist treating children who marry non-Jews as "dead". He characterizes this reluctance as a triumph of emotion over "intellectual analyses".

whether you think the traditional approach was sensible or barbarous, Abrams is surely correct in his diagnosis on why many Jewish parents are ditching that approach

(and, given the Steveospher's interest in HBD, I'd think that some would see merit in the traditional approach on purely secular lines)

taking the point further, an important factor in the new approach is the trend to fewer children.

a tougher line is more logical if you have other children who you want to encourage in the desired behaviour

and it's easier to disown one child if you have other children to give you solace

Salim Mia said...

Why not distribute 40% of the Haitian population among the nations of the Caribbean? They are all culturally and racially similar. Besides Barbados and Bermuda are quite well off thanks to all they offshore finance and tourism money. And they have a fertility rate below 2.1. So Haitians will do jobs that Bajans will not do. Besides why deny them the communist paradise of Fidel’s Cuba and force them to go to evil, capitalist, racist U.S.A and Canada?

Ofcourse the best option would be to dump the entire population into Senegal or any African hellhole and resettle Haiti with Europeans, especially Scandinavians. Imagine a beautiful tropical paradise with zero crime, first world standards of living and blond gods and goddesses surfing the sea (we can even rename Haiti as Atlantis). A bigger version of St. Barthélemy. Alas, it is something too good to ask for these days.

David said...

>The constant imputation of only the most base and evil motives to neocons - as if they were completely devoid of humanity and idealism - is silly. They may be dead wrong, or partially wrong or misguided, on many issues, but they're hardly the monsters portrayed in much of the paleocon and WN community.<

Their ideas are consistently monstrous.

If it looks like a duck...

Anonymous said...

"If anything, it is as cannon fodder that prospective Haitian immigrants will be granted speedy citizenship."

Yeah right, as if Haitians will make good soldiers like the Scot Irish.

David said...

Re Abrams: he is a classic example of the old saw (by someone who can't be mentioned):

"A Jew is a man who wants his daughter to marry a Jew, and your daughter to marry a black."

Abrams, Sarkozy, Ben Wattenberg are the tip of the iceberg. If there's anything Jews agree on in the realm of goyim sexuality (other than that some shiksas and Italian Stallions are hot) it's that white goyim should and MUST interbreed with poor blacks, for -laugh - "the good of humanity." Not their little mädels, though.

Reactionary said...

"Whatever works to get more immigration of potential Dem voters is fine by me."

Sure, because everybody knows immigrants never get old and sick or claim the EIC and only have as many kids as they can afford, so steady as she goes with the welfare gravy train.

Reactionary said...

Realistically, America will HAVE to intervene in Haiti and run things to prevent oh say about 70% of the 9 million Haitians who are as bad off as Steve says washing up on Florida shores.

The inevitable result of imperial wars is an influx of natives into the mother country. You want the US to take the baton from the British Empire, then the US will end up like the British Empire: broke, socialist and populated by its enemies.

sundol said...

Birthquake than earthquake is the real problem of Haiti.

David said...

>The thing I don't get about Whiskey are his generally racist views concerning blacks coupled with that Scots-Irish ethnocentrism<

We don't know anything about the real identity of the mysterious and fascinating character known variously as "evil neocon" "testing 99" and "whiskey." However, for the kind of phenomenon you're referring to, you oughta read Nicholas Stix. Eww. Or how about this (pdf) old-timer - the original Pod. Remember, these people think it's just fine - a boon to humanity - if others go black, and many of them encourage it more and less vocally...just not for their people.

corvinus said...

Guys like Abrams don't really care for blacks. It's just that he wants to leave open the option of US taking in 100,000s or even millions of Israelis in the future should the Jewish state fail and fall into the hands of the growing Arab population.

So, the neocon idea of taking in 100,000s of Haitian refugees is to serve as a moral cover for taking in potentially a great numbers of Jewish refugees from the Middle East--and even from Europe if the Muslim population keeps rising and Jews come under increased threat of daily violence.


Actually, I foresee a different problem: Israel becoming overcrowded with both Jews and Arabs. Just as with Mexicans (in Mexico) versus White Americans, Arabs and Jews have settled toward rough birth rate parity. The difference is, they have it settled well above replacement (about three children per woman), which, combined with Israel's tiny size, especially if one excludes the Negev... it's a powder keg waiting to blow. The Israelis will be itching for lebensraum in the future even more so than they are now.

Sooner or later, we're going to run out of those fanatical Scots-Irish white men, who love making war just for the sake of fighting. Then, where to turn?

Not for a long time... they're also at more or less replacement. GOP-votin' churchgoin' White Americans who support dispensationalist Christianity (i.e., Zionism), plus the Mormons of course, aren't like Germans or Russians; their numbers are stable. There be plenty of potential Zionist cannon fodder.

Anonymous said...

"And it's a double whammy, as neither Sarkozy or Bruni are French!"

Sarkozy is a quarter French (and half Hungarian gentile and a quarter Sephardic Jewish).


And what of the Sultana of Brunei?

Otis the Sweaty said...

Those of you worried about "invade the world, invite the world" are fighting the last war. Well, you might need to keep worrying about the "invite the world" part, but the invasion part is finished simply because the US is broke and the public is sick of wars.

The US isn't going to be invading anymore in the countries, not in the middle east and not anywhere else. That era is over.

Victoria said...

I meant that there isn't much of a demand for low-quality and uneducated soldiers in modern warfare anymore ... there are serious costs to recruiting people with lower-than-average intelligence to fight in a shooting war ... If we need illegal immigrants to replace young Scotch-Irish men willing to kill ... they have both a macho culture that makes them as aggressive as you would ever need ... How many Haitians have you ever heard of winning decorations for valor?

Yeah right, as if Haitians will make good soldiers like the Scot Irish.

Holy Jesus! I suppose you guys are among the white folks who don't mind the fact that your race is diminishing. Does it mean nothing to you that millions of young Euro and American white men were exterminated during WWI, never having left their sperm behind? Does it matter to you that the same atrocity was repeated in WWII, and that hundreds of thousands more died in Vietnam and Korea, without leaving offspring? For nothing! WWI, WWII, and all the cute little consequent battles -- for nothing!

So, you only see this as a function of intelligent white men getting blown to pieces (over 5,000 in Iraq), while the dumb colored ones are left to live, since they can't figure out the computer stuff?! And that's fine with you? You seem to be bragging about the fact that the smart ones die, while the colored ones are too dumb to die.

Who are you people who sit on the sidelines cheering on these misguided Scots-Irish boys, who are simply following their brainwashed notions of "patriotism?" They're not protecting this country from harm, and people like you should be explaining this to them, not egging on their deaths. You sound so proud of yourselves -- as yet another 20-year-old loses an arm, leg and eye. Often, understandably, ending up a suicide.

"Decorations for valor!?" Better that 20-year-old returns with his arms intact, to wrap around a woman, who is unlikely to appreciate prosthetic devices. Do you have all your limbs intact?

I learned long ago that whites don't possess a sense of ethnic or race nationalism, but this is ridiculous!

Marty said...

Neocons have groomed Sarah Palin for the presidency. The interests of whites will never be represented as long as neocons coopt white leaders by bribing them through fox salaries. Palin's recent book had no mention of her mentor, evil bill kristol. It looks as the future of america will be endless wars in the mideast and endless impoverishment of middle class and working class white americans.

Truth said...

"You used to claim that you were neither democrat nor republican "Truth", and implied that you were a libertarian. You seem to have revealed yourself."

For the record, there are now two "Truth"'s here; there is the original who links to a blogger account (blue type) and the doppelganger (black type).

I haven't brought it up before as this gentleman seems smarter than most of you, hey, I get to take a little break, and as they say; "imitation is the most sincere form of flattery."

"And when fifty or sixty million Hispanics have moved here, you will also learn just what they really think about people who look like you."

you southerners believe anything you're told, don't you Bobby?

Steve Sailer said...

Dear Commenters:

Please, no impostor comments. Pseudonyms should be first come, first serve.

kudzu bob said...

A certain troll is always bellyaching about the bigotry on this site, but has just demonstrated beyond all doubt that he himself doesn't give a damn what happens to Black people. Call it the Moment of Twoof.

Anonymous said...

Dear Victoria,

We have a name for the alternative you envision; we call it, "Cowardice".

Sincerely yours,

The Scots Irish

Anonymous said...

"Truth said...

For the record, there are now two "Truth"'s here; there is the original who links to a blogger account (blue type) and the doppelganger (black type)."

Two "Truths", and not an ounce of truth between em'.

"I haven't brought it up before as this gentleman seems smarter than most of you, hey, I get to take a little break, and as they say; "imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.""

Actually, immitation is the sincerest form of fraud.

So which one of you two believe that cars can use water as a fuel? Would that be you, or that other super-smart gentleman?

Truth said...

It's very strange that you persist with this "car runs on water" thing, Sport.

You know, all you have to do is google car...runs...on...water. And you'll get all of the "truth" you want.

Pseudothyrum said...

Anon:"I also employ several recent Haitian immigrants in a factory."

Surely you could've found some non-immigrant White American workers to fill those factory jobs? Or were the wages too low to support a decent family at 1st world standards? I heard those Haitians will work for REAL CHEAP, giving bosses like you a fatter profit.

This is a major problem. Many White American employers are choosing to pay immigrant/non-White immigrants a low wage just to fatten their own pockets...meanwhile the local White families in town continue to slip lower and lower down the class ladder for lack of decent employment.

Have you no shame or loyalty to your people?

Victoria said...

We have a name for the alternative you envision; we call it, "Cowardice".

There is also another name. It's called "sucker." When your government is overtaken by special interests bent on protecting a country other than your own, and you are indoctrinated not to ask questions, you are nothing but a tool of people who have contempt for your naivete. If there is some genetic need to display courageous behavior, find the many other ways to do so. Don't allow your country and its population to be suckered into the disputes of others, especially others who have a long tradition of despising you and your culture.

The "coward" epithet has been used eternally to control the behavior of men, and is no different from any other epithets with which we've grown familiar. So, what else is new?

Captain Jack Aubrey said...

In fairness, someone will have to be at war with Islam - it is the religion of the sword - it requires that infidels convert or be slaughtered.

Yes, and America is the country of the B-29, the B-2, the Cruise missile, and the 1,100 foot nuclear-powered aircaft carrier. We may have to occasionally go to war with Islam, but we don't have to commit hundreds of thousands of troops to occupation and to half-trillion dollar democratizing projects to make Muslim countries something they aren't inclined to be.

That's a demographic problem, and while the USA Caucasian TFR has been below 2.1 [replacement level] for more than 30 years now, the Muslims have been very quietly biding their time and making as many babies as possible.

Their high fertility rates and our low fertility rates are not a problem if we choose not to make it our problem. We don't have to let them come here in any substantial numbers, just because they've managed to overcrowd their own countries, and we don't have to let them become citizens at all.

Sarkozy is a quarter French (and half Hungarian gentile and a quarter Sephardic Jewish).

And what of the Sultana of Brunei?

Neither leader has anything on the Aga Khan IV - the 49th Imam and the hereditary leader of Ismaili Muslims the world over. He is entitled to a portion of their income, "Zahkat" (I forget the exact amount). He is a billionaire, and was born in...Geneva, Switzerland - and resides there, too. His mother was European, his wife is European, and the son who will take his mantle married a European - all of these women converts from Christianity. Here is a picture> of the family at a wedding, with a thoroughly European backdrop. Yes, they play dress-up and pretend in order to collect their billions from millions of idiotic Muslim followers the world over.

The Ismailis explain their veneration of him by the fact that the Aga Khan is the "direct descendant" of the Prophet Muhammed. Of course by now they probably all are, many times over. So, probably, are most of us.

So, you only see this as a function of intelligent white men getting blown to pieces (over 5,000 in Iraq), while the dumb colored ones are left to live

White men are not dying in Iraq and Afghanistan in numbers substantially disproportionate to our share of the population - maybe a little, but not much. What's sad is that - white, black, Hispanic or Asian - they are generally better men than the ones left behind.

I learned long ago that whites don't possess a sense of ethnic or race nationalism, but this is ridiculous!

Speak to all those European countries who kicked out Jews one after the other for centuries; to the Australians and their whites-only immigration policy; to 19th century Californians and their anti-Chinaman policies. Talk to the tens (or hundreds) of millions of white Americans who look at racial demographics before deciding what neighborhood to live in.

Whites have a sense of nationalism. As in any other race, it's innate. It's the same sense that causes us to care for our children, aunts, uncles and cousins more than some random stranger. It's merely hibernating. When it comes back, it will be back with a vengeance.

Captain Jack Aubrey said...

The constant imputation of only the most base and evil motives to neocons - as if they were completely devoid of humanity and idealism - is silly. They may be dead wrong, or partially wrong or misguided, on many issues, but they're hardly the monsters portrayed in much of the paleocon and WN community

Neocons treat the United States as part Middle Eastern bazaar, where anyone should be able to come and trade with/rip off anyone else, and as a weapon in their foreign policy adventures, only some of which is about defending Israel.

They corrupt our understanding of the history of the United States - their apocryphal doctrine that America is a "creedal" nation to which anyone may belong, so long as they believe in "the creed." (Is their a test? Is their excommunication?)

America was not founded as a creedal nation - see: slavery; see: "to ensure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity"; see: deliberately ethnocentric immigration policies (when the need arose); see: the Trail of Tears and the Indian Wars.

What bothers me is that Jewish neocons (and a large number of Jews in general) spread the belief that it's wrong wrong wrong for white ethnic groups (English, Italian, German, whoever) to have their own ethnostate, but think that an ethnostate that exists to serve only the interest of Jews is just fine. They hold the view that a Jew should be allowed to live anywhere, but that Israel should be off limits to all but Jews.

Anonymous said...

Anyway, as a side note, here's an article on Japan's notorious Roppongi district:

Popping up sometimes five or six to a block, the mostly young men from Nigeria and other African nations have a particularly un-Japanese way of doing business. In a country protective of its personal space, the hawkers sidle up to male foreigners, taking them in by the arm to suggest the charms of the scantily clad women waiting inside nearby hostess clubs. Many take the bait of cheap drinks and casual sex -- and wind up with a headache the next morning. Patrons have had their drinks spiked, then woozily regained consciousness hours later with no memory of the previous evening or knowledge of the thousands of dollars charged to their credit cards.

Now why would fine young African men want to engage in such behavior?

Captain Jack Aubrey said...

Neoconservative David Brooks takes on the populists: These two attitudes — populism and elitism — seem different, but they’re really mirror images of one another. They both assume a country fundamentally divided. They both describe politics as a class struggle between the enlightened and the corrupt, the pure and the betrayers. Both attitudes will always be with us, but these days populism is in vogue.

So...Brooks decides it's necessary to take on populism. Because it's "in vogue."

Quick question: where was Brooks for the last 21 years when elitism was "in vogue" - especially regarding mass immigration and deregulation?

Elitism was in vogue for 21 years, and Brooks was silent, even though he acknoweldges it's a threat, too. Populism's been in vogue for 2.1 days, and suddenly Brooks feels the need to take on the threat.

Victoria said...

White men are not dying in Iraq and Afghanistan in numbers substantially disproportionate to our share of the population - maybe a little, but not much.

Oh, well, that's okay then. Let 'em die, as long as it's not "substantially disproportionate." (Sometimes I can't believe what I'm reading.)

Speak to all those European countries who kicked out Jews one after the other for centuries; to the Australians and their whites-only immigration policy;..etc., etc. ... Whites have a sense of nationalism. ... It's merely hibernating.

Yes, we all know of this period in white history. Long gone, and long dead. The current Euro and American white now cringes at the memory of such policies. They have given away their societies and culture and are not about to change their policies, and they've created the EU to prevent such changes. (Just look at what Arabs are doing to Holland and look at Africans calling themselves "Swedish," as they climb the political ladder in Sweden).

Whites have internalized every piece of propaganda disparaging to themselves and are teaching their own children to do the same. In that earlier period of history, whites did not encounter a systematic crusade to overturn their innate loyalties. No, their nationalism isn't hibernating; it's long dead.

ATBOTL said...

From the perspective of anyone concerned about the well being of European-Americans, neocons are evil beyond words.

Mr. Anon said...

"Truth said...

It's very strange that you persist with this "car runs on water" thing, Sport.

You know, all you have to do is google car...runs...on...water. And you'll get all of the "truth" you want."

Only because YOU, or your doppelganger, claimed that YOU believed that there are cars that use water as a fuel, you mendacious nitwit.

BTW, don't take offense. "nitwit" is just my version of "sport".

Nitwit.

Anonymous said...

They both assume a country fundamentally divided. They both describe politics as a class struggle between the enlightened and the corrupt, the pure and the betrayers. Both attitudes will always be with us, but these days populism is in vogue.




That's all well and good, but surely the important question is which one is correct? Or are both wrong? The fact that populism is "in vogue" (not much in evidence in DC) says nothing about whether populism is correct in its critique.

Thomas said...

Holy Jesus! I suppose you guys are among the white folks who don't mind the fact that your race is diminishing. Does it mean nothing to you that millions of young Euro and American white men were exterminated during WWI, never having left their sperm behind? Does it matter to you that the same atrocity was repeated in WWII, and that hundreds of thousands more died in Vietnam and Korea, without leaving offspring? For nothing! WWI, WWII, and all the cute little consequent battles -- for nothing!

Victoria, I think that you have dramatically misunderstood the meaning of this dialogue. I am questioning Steve's suggestion that Haitians would make good cannon fodder or that cannon fodder is necessary to the neoconservative and Zionist goals of people like Elliot Abrams. Those goals and what serves them can be examined in and of themselves, but nowhere did I suggest that they were worthwhile or that the fact that thousands of young white men have died in these, or other, wars is a good thing. I say this as someone who did serve, and who did lose friends.

We're always going to have a need, as a nation and as a race, for young people who can serve in our defense, but I wholeheartedly agree with you that never should they be committed and sacrificed for the goals of an alien power. That such is the situation for us is something that we're going to have to work against, little by little (or, more likely, just "go Galt" and let the system collapse on itself until it can't send imperial expeditions anywhere).

Truth said...

"Only because YOU, or your doppelganger, claimed that YOU believed that there are cars that use water as a fuel, you mendacious nitwit."

Yes, and I believe it because people that I assume are much smarter, and more technologically savvy than I (yet apparently not nearly than you)
believe it.

"BTW, don't take offense. "nitwit" is just my version of "sport"."

None taken whatsoever, strangely, I was similarly un-offended when Verne Troyer called me "shorty."

Captain Jack Aubrey said...

Yes, we all know of this period in white history. Long gone, and long dead. The current Euro and American white now cringes at the memory of such policies.

White refusal to live in "vibrant" neighborhoods is neither a "long gone" phenomeon nor a "long dead" one. It happens thousands of times a day, every day. Try not to be a total bitch, Victoria - assuming you actually are female. Believe it or not, I'm on your side (more or less). There should be more awareness of the dangers of a multiracial society. There should be more white solidarity.

As for the servicemen who have given their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan, the cumulative effect of their loss is a rounding error, in demographic terms. That isn't to minimize their deaths at all - which is tragic - but the demographic effect is nil.

And if you read my posts, in this thread or any other, you'll find that I'm not very supportive of our Middle Eastern exploits, which Ithink are a waste of time, money, and, yes, men.

From the perspective of anyone concerned about the well being of European-Americans, neocons are evil beyond words.

Indeed. My contempt for them grows by the day - especially for their refusal to take the blame for their policies which largely caused the economic meltdown and the defeats Republicans have suffered in the last two elections.

Only two groups got anything from the Republican majority - big business and the neocons. Neither provides much in the way of a voting block for the GOP. The truly important GOP voting blocks - social conservatives, religous conservatives, and paleocons - didn't get jack squat.

Mr. Anon said...

"Truth said...

"Only because YOU, or your doppelganger, claimed that YOU believed that there are cars that use water as a fuel, you mendacious nitwit.""

Yes, and I believe it because people that I assume are much smarter, and more technologically savvy than I (yet apparently not nearly than you) believe it."

You may indeed have thought your assumption warranted, as there are LOTS of people smarter than you.

That website you linked to purports to describe a water powered car, but then they go on to say that the water is electrolycised to produce hydrogen which is the actual fuel fed to the engine. So, genius, where do they get the energy to split the water (one of the most stable chemical compounds there is)? A fuel is a source of free energy - i.e. a source of energy that can readily be converted to work. Water is not a fuel, and in this case is merely used as a storage medium for hydrogen. So where does the energy come from? Apparently you are not even aware of the second law of thermodynamics, let alone understand it.

But go ahead - invest all of your money with those guys - I'm sure that they're on to something big.

Let us know how that works out for you, Chump.

Truth said...

"Let us know how that works out for you, Chump."

A Danier-San, you touchee-touchee!

A man must rearn to contror feminine fits of anger...they can be used against him in batter!

kudzu bob said...

I guess they didn't teach thermodynamics at Twoof's "alma matter."