February 12, 2010

The Chinese Mating Market

The Chinese love of numbers and disdain for polite euphemisms and esteem-boosting lead to some amusing artifacts. For example, here's a popular test somebody on the Internet made up for Chinese yuppies and yuppettes to rate their value on the high-end mating market. I've rearranged the order of the questions so readers can more conveniently compare sex differences:

Age
Female Age
23 and under (10 pts); 23-25 (8 pts); 25-27 (6 pts); 28-29 (4pts); 29-32 (1 pt); 32 and above (0 pts)
Male Age
26-32 (10 pts); 32-36 (8 pts); 23-26 (6 pts); 36-40 (4 pts); 20-23 (1 pt), the rest 0 pts

Place of Origin
Female Place of Origin
Prefecture level city (10 pts); average provincial capital city (8 pts); first-line cities (6 pts); county seat (4 pts); small town (1 pt); rural 0 pts
Male Place of Origin
Europe or America (10 pts); Singapore, Hong Kong (8 pts); Korea (6 pts); China city (4 pts); other (1 pt); rural 0 pts

Education
Female Education
Bachelor’s Degree in popular major (10 pts); 211 Bachelor’s Degree (8 pts); Associate’s Degree (6 pts); high school or vocational school (4 pts); Either third-rate Bachelor’s Degree or Doctorate and above 0 pts
Male Education
Famous university MBA (10 pts); “sea turtle” returnee (8 pts); Famous university Bachelor’s Degree (6 pts); 211 Master’s Degree (4 pts); 211 Bachelor’s Degree (1 pt); third-rate Bachelor’s Degree and under 0 pts

Looks
Female Features/Appearance
Fair skin, beautiful appearance (10 pts); fair skin, proper/correct features (8 pts); fair skin, features collectively are relatively harmonious (6 pts); beautiful appearance, poor skin (4 pts); proper/correct features, poor skin (1 pt); poor skin, features not harmonious (0 pts)
Female Weight
45-50kg (10 pts); 50-55kg (8 pts); 40-45kg (6 pts); height 165cm and above 55-60kg (4 pts); height 158cm and below 35-40kg (1 pt); the rest 0 pts
Female Body/Physique
Front protrudes, back perky, waist and legs distinct (10 pts); long legs, ample breasts (8 pts); fine and well proportioned (6 pts); airport + proportionate (4 pts); plump and smooth skinned + relatively poor proportions (1 pt); Either long waist and short legs, out of proportion, entire body dull, etc. 0 pts
Male Appearance
Relatively handsome (10 pts); proper/correct features (8 pts); average (6 pts); relatively ugly (4 pts); extremely ugly (1 pt); no such thing as zero points for men’s appearance

Height
Female Height
165-172 (10 pts); 158-164 (8 pts); 172-174 (6 pts); 155-158 (4 pts); 174-176 (1 pt); the rest 0 pts
Male Height
178-183 (10 pts); 183-186 (8 pts); 175-178 (6 pts); 170-174 (4 pts); 186-189 (1 pt); the rest 0 pts

Sex life
Female Chastity
CN (20 pts), Not-CN (-20 pts)
Male Sexual Ability
No ED (20 pts), ED (-20 pts) [ED = erectile dysfunction]

Resources
Female Background
Rich/powerful family (10 pts); high-ranking government child (8 pts); parents have high positions in companies (6 pts); civil servant household (4 pts); relatively well-off (1 pt); the others 0 pts
Male Occupation
Profitable entrepreneur (10 pts); small family business (8 pts); back office civil servant (6 pts); medium to high position in company (4 pts); low-level white-collar worker (1 pt), the rest 0 pts
Male Assets
10 million or above (10pts); 5-10 million (8 pts); 2-5 million (6 pts); 1-2 million (4 pts); 500k-1 million (1 pt); less than 500k 0 pts
Male House/Property
N [many/multiple] houses (10 pts); 2 or more hoouses (8 pts); 1 un-mortgaged fully owned house (6 pts); currently paying mortgage (4 pts); paying 3k or above rent (1 pt); the others 0 pts
Male Car
Audi A6 or better (10 pts); Passat-grade (8 pts); Elantra-grade (6 pts); Peugeot 307, Fit-grade (4 pts); Geely, Chery-grade (1 pt); other 0 pts

Female Only:
Female Personality
Gentle, considerate (10 pts); gentle, a little temper (4 pts), not gentle 0 pts

56 comments:

OhioStater said...

Hypergamy is a cross cultural! That means its not just a western problem! That means its human nature and we need to speak frankly about it!

I'm willing to vote GOP in 2010. Is the GOP willing to talk about these issues? I guess I shouldn't hold my breath.

Anyhow, this an article about misandry and hypergamy. The most complete I've seen so far:

http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

Anonymous said...

marvelously candid

sj071 said...

The Future is here.*

*what about 40-odd million extra Chinese males flaunting birth sex ratio? Oh, wait..."Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."

Anonymous said...

Paging Roissy and T99 to the thread. Repeat, Roissy and T99 are needed urgently in the thread.

flenser said...

Female Body/Physique
Front protrudes, back perky, waist and legs distinct (10 pts)



Some things cross all cultural boundaries.

John said...

What is a 211 Bachelor’s Degree?

Anonymous said...

The crass materialism evident in many East Asian women is rather very disturbing -- despite their ballyhooed reputation for 'serious' relationships.

roissy said...

i've had a dating market value test for men and women atop my blog for a couple years now. one step ahead of the chinese in impolite, albeit accurate, reductionism!

OneSTDV said...

I wrote about female hypergamy and feminism here:

Settling for Mr. Good Enough

Glossy said...

Female Place of Origin

Apparently Chinese guys don't want country bumpkins (0 points) or jaded women from first-line cities (6 points), who've probably been corrupted by feminism and consumerism. They want something in-between (prefecture-level cities, 10 points), which seems reasonable.

Female Education

"Either third-rate Bachelor’s Degree or Doctorate and above 0 pts." That's harsh. I disagree. Even if her doctorate was in psychology, the kids may inherit some brains.

Female Features/Appearance

"poor skin, features not harmonious (0 pts)" I love it! Swipples always go on about the East's deeply spiritual preoccupation with harmony, and yet here it's used in the most judgmental, "male-chauvinistic", swipple-mocking way possible. The Tao says you're a skank!

"airport + proportionate (4 pts)" What does that mean?

"no such thing as zero points for men’s appearance" He he.

David said...

If this isn't a joke (and there is no specific reason to believe it is), then it's wonderful, because it puts in rational form the animal side of life. The animal side is generally irrational and confusing. Candor and graphs are helpful.

> Hypergamy is a cross cultural! That means its not just a western problem! That means its human nature and we need to speak frankly about it! <

> Roissy and T99 are needed urgently in the thread. <

No, I see no evidence of female hypergamy here. Every incentive for females is the other way. But males? The only perceived problem on this dimension is ED. LOL.

The Chinese are going to be interesting overlords.

Polistra said...

Nice proof ... not that we really needed any ... that Political Correctness was strictly a Chinese export to weaken us, never a product for domestic consumption.

SFG said...

"Even if her doctorate was in psychology, the kids may inherit some brains."

Dude, we're nerds. We like smart women. Chinese yuppies disagree.

Tom Regan said...

I got 64 points. Do I qualify as a catch?
Nice to see that as a man you still get 1 point for 'extremely ugly'. John Merrick, come on down.

Whiskey said...

Outstanding!

Dutch Boy said...

Hah! I got 76 pts Mr. Regan! Of course that is when I was married. I probably rate about a 15 now (depreciation ya know).

Chief Seattle said...

Ahh, but Mr. Chung, *all* the women in our whorehouse are virgins.

Wanted: woman with boat. Send picture of boat.

Phuc Yu said...

Me rove you rong time!

Anonymous said...

The adjectives on this test sound very Confucian: "proper", "correct", "harmonious"

robert61 said...

0 points for male height above 190 cm (~6'3")? Is the high-end cutoff that low in the west?

Anxiously yours, robert61 (190+)

wren said...

Wow, the male occupation category makes the Chinese look a lot more capitalistic than folks in the US.

Perhaps they are.

Steve Sailer said...

"The adjectives on this test sound very Confucian: "proper", "correct", "harmonious""

Indeed.

Bill said...

roissy said...

i've had a dating market value test for men and women atop my blog for a couple years now. one step ahead of the chinese in impolite, albeit accurate, reductionism!


Wouldn't surprise me much if a Chinese guy who read your site wrote this.

Anonymous said...

Steveo,

if it wasn't for your age you would be considered quite a catch in China.

BTW I see that Hispanics/blacks and Indians don't figure much.

Is it because Chinese people is well racist, innit?

jody said...

hmm. where is the guy from that thread a few months ago who said the chinese in china do not react positively to europeans looking to date them?

this survey has european men rated the highest, and even puts korean men above chinese men.

the more i learn about interracial dating in the real world, the more i find things like this to be accurate on average. plus the chinese i find, tend to be blunt and loud. their languages reflect this generalized personality trait. loud outburts, especially in hong kong (hongers, i think they call themselves). they could be wishing you happy birthday and it comes out like they are yelling at you to get the F out of the way.

Anonymous said...

Very sobering. I scored 23 points. Time to drop out altogether, and move to a hut in Patagonia.


JT

Anonymous said...

Why is a "third rate" college degree worth less than a high school education for females?

josh said...

Interesting that they give 10 points if the girls family is a high-toned one. Most guys here I think would prefer the girl to be pretty,nice,have a nice body,firm perky breastesses,a round inviting ass,wit some junk in da trunk,long sexy legs--oh! sorry,got a little carried away there. But guys here would be a bit put off by a girl whose class/socio-econ rank sig. outpaced their own. Theyd figure,rightly.theres a good chance the girl'd wise up and dump your ass.

John Seiler said...

1968 "Cultural Revolution" version of the mating test, good for both females or males:

Memorized all Mao's "Little Red Book" (10 pts); most of it (8 pts); half (6 pts); some (4 pts); little (go to Laogai camps); none (executed).

Believes Mao is "Great Helmsman" (10 points); Chairman of the Communist Party of the People's Republic of China (8 pts); "great proletetarian leader of the proletariate" (6 pts); needs to see a dentist (executed).

Denounces Deng Xiaoping as "major counter-revolutionary" (10 pts); "capitalist roader" (8 pts); "capitalist bicycle rider" (4 pts); "the future" (executed).

Brands America as "paper tiger" (10 pts); "capitalist hellhole" (8 pts); "imperialist oppressor" (6 pts); "Elvis' birthplace" (go to Laogai prison).

Anonymous said...

"airport" => flat chested

AlphaOmega said...

The New York Times offers an Asian perspective, in an article from 1988:

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/11/world/singapore-journal-how-to-marry-up-and-avoid-the-frogs-and-nerds.html?pagewanted=1

Anonymous said...

"Me rove you rong time!"

The r for l thing is Japanese.

headache said...

Is Whisky now resortung under OhioStater?

Eric said...

The crass materialism evident in many East Asian women is rather very disturbing -- despite their ballyhooed reputation for 'serious' relationships.

Women in poor countries think that way - it's part of survival. Millions starved to death in China within living memory, so it will be a few more decades before Chinese women will be willing to marry a guy for his sense of humor.

Anonymous said...

I suspect this survey assumes the person taking it is ethnically Chinese, so European or American origin would mean an overseas Chinese person.

Anonymous said...

With a gender imbalance of 40 million or so, (they admit to 24 million, but it's really much more than that,) the Chinese men don't have any bargaining power to demand so much from prospective brides. They'll be lucky to get any woman at all. Invest early in sexbots for the China market.

Anonymous said...

hmm. where is the guy from that thread a few months ago who said the chinese in china do not react positively to europeans looking to date them?

this survey has european men rated the highest, and even puts korean men above chinese men.


They're ranked from most rich to least rich. Hence why Hong Kong and Singapore are above Korea.

Anonymous said...

guys here would be a bit put off by a girl whose class/socio-econ rank sig. outpaced their own. Theyd figure,rightly.theres a good chance the girl'd wise up and dump your ass.




If the internet is telling me the truth, China does not have "no-fault" divorce. And the man usually gets custody of the children, who in China are considered the entire point of marriage. So the womans "just dumping your ass" is not as big of a problem as it would be over here.

The absurd American divorce laws are at the bottom of many of our social problems. Scrap no-fault divorce and everyone, men and women, would be better off.

Anonymous said...

It should be noted that Vietnam and South Korea also have huge gender imbalances of marriage-age males vs. females. So the Chinese can't just import brides from other Asian countries (even if they wanted to, which they probably wouldn't.) Looks like much of East Asia is screwed demographically.

Anonymous said...

Gender imbalance among the unmarried seems to be a problem in England as well, with single men outnumbering single women in every age group except over 75:

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/relationships/article7024086.ece

OhioStater said...

BTW I see that Hispanics/blacks and Indians don't figure much.

If the current trend holds, year 2015 or 2020 will be the first time since, hmm a long time ago, the world wasn't under complete Anglo Saxon control.

We can already see in the modeling world black women are 100% not accepted by Asian customers; black men such as Kobe and LeBron do slightly better as marketers (more alpha than tiny Asian men?).

Whites are generally receptive to diversity as a "in kind" way to pay down the slavery debt. Sailer has accepted this is a debt whites may end up paying down for a very long time. Well to the best of my knowledge, China and Japan don't have a slavery debt to black America.

I wonder how blacks will do, and what will happen to affirmative action, under Chinese ownership. What would a Chinese owner of Proctor and Gamble say if his American managers makes a special consideration for black America and that raises expenses or reduces productivity.

I guess we can look at Toyota, since they've probably hired minority contractors (hopefully not to make gas pedals) and used minorities in the workforce.

Veritas said...

This is awesome.

I am Chinese and this is how my family sees the dating market. I don't think it matters much for the individual, but the family pressure is geared towards this funny yet realistic point system.

Anonymous said...

"I am Chinese and this is how my family sees the dating market. I don't think it matters much for the individual, but the family pressure is geared towards this funny yet realistic point system."

In the West we prefere humorless and unrealistic systems. At least the last two generations anyway.

Top said...

"Whites are generally receptive to diversity as a "in kind" way to pay down the slavery debt."

This is just propaganda. If true how do you explain countries like Sweden that have no history of slavery and yet still need to repay this magical "slavery debt" via massive demographic transformation and marginalization of their population blocks. And if this statemement was really true then the middle east would be by far the most diverse place on Earth. There is no such thing as a "slavery debt" - only that which is in your head.

What amazes me is that most people don't even know it was the anglo-saxon middle class that was the biggest driving force behind stopping slavery. Their moral revulsion of slavery along with British war ships is what stopped the evil slave-traders. So what slavery debt? Take away white man's armies and the world will regress to slavery TOMORROW. If you doubt that then you have no eyes. But keep talking about the slavery debt until you are a useless, insignificant minority!

Truth said...

"If true how do you explain countries like Sweden that have no history of slavery and yet still need to repay this magical "slavery debt" via massive demographic transformation and marginalization of their population blocks."

I don't know, cheap labor?

jody said...

there are enough chinese men in south korea for a seperate category on this form?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese

there are more in japan, and far more in vietnam and the philippines.

i'm still thinking this form actually means "white guys from europe or the US" and "korean guys from south korea" and "not chinese guys from (wherever)".

koreans are considered much cooler than the chinese or japanese, which makes a lot more sense for why they have their own category on this form, than randomly having a cateogory for the small chinese immigrant population in south korea.

Mi Suk Wang said...

Great test.

Anonymous said...

It should be noted that Vietnam and South Korea also have huge gender imbalances of marriage-age males vs. females.



So do all the Western countries.

Anonymous said...

don't think a chinese guy has many options.....

Dutch reader said...

No rating for female/male hair, male physique?

I'm also confused as to how to calibrate the 'male assets'. What currency are all these countless millions in?

Still, I seem to rate 62-64 points (depending on whether my looks are deemed 'average' or 'proper/ correct') even without any financial fortune to speak of. Is that high or low? No idea. It would be interesting to see the scores of an actual population plotted as a normal distribution.

Veritas said...

Again, this is more of a generational issue.

The younger generation of Chinese tend to see "mating" in a more westernized way, with love being more important. If you've ever watched East Asian dramas (Taiwanese and Korean are the most popular), a lot of them are about poor boy meets rich girl or vice versa. It is very interesting. Of course my parents don't think like that.

Anonymous said...

I suspect this survey assumes the person taking it is ethnically Chinese, so European or American origin would mean an overseas Chinese person.

I assumed that too. So a guy being from Korea doesnt mean he's Korean, he's ethnically Chinese born and/or raised in Korea (presumably South).

Anonymous said...

Top - youre right but the fact the slavery debt is bs doesnt stop it being deployed - against whites - almost everywhere. I suppose its partly the success of propaganda and plays on some innate aspect of Euro mindset.

Its one of the things that make me see more and more the WN pov.

If I claim kinship with the people who invented telephones or penicillin as white people - I'm derided as a supremacist. After all Im not (so far as I know) directly descended from those individuals. But funnily enough I do get to bear the collective burden of responsibility for slavery (and perhaps the holocaust and imperialism etc) regardless of much or little me or my direct ancestors may have been involved.

Anonymous said...

The high rating for Korean men may be entirely because of the Korean drama Winter Sonata. It was hugely popular in China and Japan. The star, Bae Yong Joon, is worshiped by a certain subset of Japanese women. This is unusual since Koreans are generally looked down upon a lot in Japan.

Shivraj said...

Truth said...
I don't know, cheap labor?

LOL, no way more like no labour. I am Indian BTW and most of the non-Euro immigrants I saw in Sweden are lazy thanks all that welfare. And they do not remain cheap for long anyways. I wonder why they are there.

Anonymous said...

It should be noted that Vietnam and South Korea also have huge gender imbalances of marriage-age males vs. females.

So do all the Western countries.
---
Exactly. That's why "dating market value" tests for women today are crap. As is all the macho bluster of how women have to "settle" for "beta chumps" when they "age out of attractiveness." Most men these days are lucky to snag a woman of any age/looks combination. The truth hurts, doesn't it?