August 14, 2011

Interview with shopkeeper Big Jim

Big Jim: "By 11 oclock there was at least 100, 200 black youths [inaudible], just rampaging, every shop -- "
Reporter: “You’re not being stereotypical there?”
Big Jim: “No, absolutely…” 
Reporter: “Are you sure that they were black? I’m sure they weren’t all black, were they? It doesn't make any sense ...” 
Big Jim: ”OK, then. Let me just say they weren’t all black. One of them there was a white guy. I was."
Reporter: “Well, there were probably other white guys there as well.” 
Big Jim: “I didn’t see any.”

52 comments:

Harry Baldwin said...

The British Left now has another hate-object to go with David Starkey.

Anonymous said...

UK commits suicide. We laugh.

Because, well, lol.

Anonymous said...

There were some Romanians, Hungarians, Italians, and even Jews(or 1/4 Jews)among the German Wehrmacht, so let's not say 'Germans' invaded Poland and Russia. It's so stereotypical.

And there were Indian, Malaysian, African, and other soldiers in the British Imperial Army, so let's not call it 'British Imperialism'. It was a rainbow imperialism.

Anonymous said...

They must learn that at J-school these days. If you ask for an eye-witness account, and its not what you want to hear; just browbeat and badger the witness until he says what you want to hear. If he still won't co-operate, talk over the top of him, set the record 'straight' and cut him off. What does he know anyway?

Gilber Pinfold

Anonymous said...

the annoying young author that was at the tv show with starkey is still upset:

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/08/david-starkey-black-powell

compare:

Stuff white people like #101, Being Offended

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/05/28/101-being-offended/

Anonymous said...

It is unfair to say all blacks--or even most blacks--commit crime, and there has been a history of casting aspersions on blacks as a whole. But the extreme PC reaction to this has been to deny that there is a unique black problem when it comes to a certain kind of criminal culture.

This is stupid. It's like pretending that the problem of organized crime in the US is same among Italian-Americans and Swedish-Americans. While it'd be wrong to say all Italian-Americans are mafia goons, the IA community has had a major problem with that sort of thing.

But if we use PC logic, we shouldn't speak of any racial, ethnic, or communal problems at all. After all, 'white racism' casts aspersions on all whites. And saying Catholic Church has a problem with pedophilia is 'unfair' to non-pedo priests.
And the idea of European or Christian antisemitism 'unfairly' tags all Europeans and Christians with antisemimtism.
And heaven knows NY Times and US media have over and over and over ran articles on POLISH antisemitism--while reporting little else about that country.
(And if it's wrong to vilify blacks as a group, isn't it also wrong to sanctify them as a group, which is what libs do all the time?)
When will libs ever make up their minds?

Anonymous said...

Isn't 'police brutality' a bigoted concept? Why blame the entire police department for the alleged abuses of few members?
If liberals argue that there is an institutionalized and systemic culture of 'racism' in the police department, then couldn't one also argue that there are deeply embedded cultural and social attitudes associated with crime and thuggery in the black community?

If 'police brutality' is fair game, then so is 'black criminality'.

RKU said...

My impression is that virtually all UK media organs (certainly including Murdoch's SkyB in this clip) are enforcing a unified and very specific view of the world and recent events, which seems quite discordant with actual reality. Presumably, after a time, most people will adjust their memories and ideas to accord with this synthetic reality.

It's interesting to speculate the required threshold which an alternate set of media organs would require to puncture this artificial bubble, and generate a phase-transition leading to the dominant image of a different Reality, one which happens to more closely accord with the actual one.

For example, suppose some small broadcaster, perhaps even an Internet-based one such as RT, began producing extensive (and high-production value) interviews and discussions, allowing "Big Jim" and all his friends to recount at length there personal riot experiences in highly factual terms, while many of the following discussants were of the sort who'd make Nick Griffin look like the slimy pinko whom he is. Presumably, the UK MSM would react in astonishing fury...thereby providing gigantic amounts of extremely valuable free publicity to this media source. As the viewership numbers of these alternative-media organs grew, and those of the MSM correspondingly shrank, I'd suspect that the latter would come under severe market pressure to move toward that massively under-filled market niche. And all the air would quickly exit the punctured balloon.

Offhand, I'd guess that the costs of such a strategy---really just a few good salaries, studios, and bandwidth---would be absolutely trivial compared to the effective impact, similar to the physical sizes of the huge balloon and the tiny needle. Phase transitions often require merely a tiny catalyst to become completely self-generating...

Anonymous said...

"UK commits suicide. We laugh."

Give credit to Big Jim: in the United States most businessmen wouldn't have identified the perps as black, or would've suddenly discovered they were wrong after the journalistic browbeating.

NLF said...

Maybe shaming shame has something to do with the current pathology.
The culture of shame has long been out of fashion. It's denigrated as a form of repression that forced people to hide and suppress their healthy natural drives, expressions, and passions. To be sure, extrem shame is unnatural and unhealthy--even pathological.
So, Freudianism may have done some good in the first half of 20th century.

But is shame purely a social/societal/cultural/political thing constructed by man? Or is shame a natural thing too? Maybe it's natural for people to feel shame. Even semi-naked primitive tribes have certain things to be shamed about. There is no culture where everyone is totally uninhibited and letting all hang loose.
People generally don't like to go around farting and taking a dump in clear sight of others. No man or woman who acts like a shameless beast can very appealing to others.
Since humans are self-conscious and aware of(and sensitive to)how others see them, shame comes naturally, as with Adam and Eve when they found out they were nude.

So, while extreme shame--as among Taliban or Victorians--is unhealthy and unnatural, so is extreme anti-shame(or shaming shame). A person who claims to be totally shameless may be repressing something healthy and natural--a healthy dose of shame.

Our pop culture promotes utter shamelessness--Lady Gaga, Whore-ism, porn-ism, Howard Sternism, Family Guyism, etc, etc. We are all supposed to be beyond shame and liberated and so on... but the fact is many people probably don't feel very proud of acting, dressing, talking like shameless trash. They can't be proud of acting like fools on Jerry Springer Show or rap videos. Not for long anyway. But their secular religion being Utter Shamelessness as Liberation, they keep pretending that they are proud of being, looking, and sounding trashy. They repress the natural shame they feel for being utter morons. Instead of accepting shame over what they've done, they blame and shame SHAME itself and boost their self-esteem/pride on their moronic trashy freedom. A person with a giant ugly ass tattoo represses his natural shame(for being a moron)and pretends his ass tattoo is all about his being a 'free spirit' or 'cool rebel'.

UK is funny. It promotes shamelessness--along the style expressed by black thugs--, pretends it's all very cool and healthy, but when stuff like the London Riots happen, the establishment wonders why people act like crazed lunatics--in music videos.

And the very people who vanquished shame from the public arena are trying to shame peole like Big Jim who are only telling the truth.
Shame the shame(of morons), shame the truth(of victims).
So, rioters have something to be proud about--social justice?--and victims should be shamed for feeling 'racist' thoughts.

Anonymous said...

Big Jim is wrong. There were surely some Eskimos and Nazis among the bunch

Anonymous said...

"Presumably, the UK MSM would react in astonishing fury"

The UK does not have free speech. They'd be hauled into court.

Anonymous said...

I've pointed this out before. Fred Reed has been cranking out columns that are crossing over into isteve territory. From his latest on London:

What we have then in England and the US are large concentrations of people who do not share the values of Caucasian civilization. This matters. A society's accepted values, not its laws, determine its behavior.

Anonymous said...

I suspect you have to give credit to the 24 hour news cycle for this kind of gotcha moment. In the old days, when everyone sat down at 5:30 to watch World News Tonight with Pompous Gasbag anchoring, all the stuff that went against the accepted leftist script would've been thoroughly edited out, with the beta tape making its way to the bottom of the East River.

Shouting Thomas said...

Absolutely fascinating.

The reporter is more concerned with scolding Big Jim than in just reporting the incident.

Insane. And absolutely fascinating.

Anonymous said...

that is hilarious. making political correctness sound *good* is a g-loaded activity. this is what happens when marginally intelligent people try to pull it off - they can't help but expose the reality denial at the core.

Anonymous said...

"So, while extreme shame--as among Taliban or Victorians"

Was there ever such a straw man Victorianism?

Anonymous said...

making political correctness sound *good* is a g-loaded activity. this is what happens when marginally intelligent people try to pull it off - they can't help but expose the reality denial at the core.

Brilliant comment.

bjtubs said...

What's that huge swivel she does after asking Little Fabio his name? If there were 100 black guys rioting in the US, and I were in the vicinity, guess who'd be next. That's what I find a little strange about the 65/30/5 ratio.

By the way, this is what happens to rioters in Toronto, City of the Good (no really, that's what it's called).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CKkLYYczdM

Harry Baldwin said...

Anonymous said... Was there ever such a straw man Victorianism?

Yes, when you read journalism of the Victorian era you'll find it ten times as forthright as the mainstream press today.

Anonymous said...

I expect the "reporter" any day now to be offered a job at MSNBC.

Anonymous said...

So if he had blamed whites and only whites, would she have pressed him to say that blacks were involved? That'd be "no."

Mencius Moldbug said...

RKU,

I call it CRTV - Confederate Racist Television. Feel free to steal the name. Someone has to. Or even better, you can do the Hispanic spinoff, Television Racista Confederada, featuring an all-star cast of blond-haired, blue-eyed Mexican anchorchicks. Hey, Mexicans can be racists too - it's a free world, isn't it?

Anonymous said...

You Brits are refreshingly blunt. Gotta love it.

In the United States, you'd have to poke a man with a hot iron before he'd say something like that in public. We're seriously the most racially repressed country in the world.

Mediate Power Grid said...

re: New Statesman article--clearly when anyone the likes of Owen Jones says, "a career-ending moment" it should be translated as: "potentially career-boosting moment pour moi"

eh said...

Hilarious; there's nothing else to say.

Reminds me of this observation by Auster:

The video is a further example of the unchanging formula in which bland white TV reporters with serious expressions on their faces report black mayhem but NEVER STATE IN WORDS that the mayhem is black. We only know the racial component of these events because of what is shown in videotape and photographs, NEVER because of anything that is actually SAID by reporters, witnesses, and victims. This Kafkaesque formula NEVER varies.

Except here of course a victim does not follow that script -- he actually says something.

eh said...

The ‘heartbroken and ashamed’ cameraman, who has helped make BBC and Channel Four documentaries on policing and justice, said that parents cannot discipline their offspring properly for fear of being reported to police or social services.

Interesting line of thinking.

Anonymous said...

I find the notion that the reporter - who obviously wasn't present at the scene of the crime - knows more about what happened than the actual eyewitness, offensive in the extreme.
Not just offensive, but just plain dumb and bullying.

Anonymous said...

"What's that huge swivel she does after asking Little Fabio his name?"

game in action. girl got negged

Anonymous said...

http://www.skypressoffice.co.uk/SkyNews/AboutUs/biography.asp?id=2

http://bit.ly/olsg8y

Anonymous said...

What would Big Jim know about the rioters that looted his store? I think I'd trust this reporter over him.

Walter B. said...

Actually, that's quite brave of him, I've heard they even prosecute children there for speaking doubleplusungood crimethink. No doubt someone who needs to be sent for reeducation.

Anonymous said...

This video from the Ealing riots (where Big Jim has his store) shows a quite diverse range of looters, including white girls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJkAo5f8mo4

Marc B said...

Big Jim: ”OK, then. Let me just say they weren’t all black. One of them there was a white guy. I was."

Hah! Big Jim has that quick and subtle British wit us Yanks love. Great interviewing skills on display there. So, when a reporter doesn't like a direct answer to a direct question about an event that only the person being interviewed was a witness to, journalistic integrity dictates that you must lead lead them until getting correct BBC approved answer. I mean, what the heck could the witness possibly know considering he was actually THERE when it hit the fan.

Kalim Kassam said...

[inaudible] to you, "with hoodies and stuff" to me and the Derb.

Anonymous said...

I love how the reporter - who wasn't even there to witness the event - is trying to shape the news, rather then just report it.

Anonymous said...

Yeah right,,,I'm sure at least one single Jew was killed between 1939-45 by one single guy who wasn't a Nazi, so it would therefore be wrong to say that it was the Nazis who did all the killing of them during the war.

The twisted "logic" of political correctness and leftism never fails to amaze me.

Kylie said...

"What would Big Jim know about the rioters that looted his store? I think I'd trust this reporter over him."

Of course you would. Because you are either too stupid to listen to the video before you commented or too stupid to pay attention to it.

He says he got a text that his store was being raided so he went to his store and saw it happen.

So what would he know about the rioters who looted his store? Probably not their life histories but very likely their race.

Yes, I think you'd trust that reporter over him, too.

Anonymous said...

Of course you would. Because you are either too stupid to listen to the video before you commented or too stupid to pay attention to it.

He says he got a text that his store was being raided so he went to his store and saw it happen.

So what would he know about the rioters who looted his store? Probably not their life histories but very likely their race.

Yes, I think you'd trust that reporter over him, too.


Kylie, you ever heard of sarcasm? I was agreeing that Big Jim would know who looted his store because he was there, unlike this dumb reporter.

Mel Torme said...

"What would Big Jim know about the rioters that looted his store? I think I'd trust this reporter over him."

Of course you would. Because you are either too stupid to listen to the video before you commented or too stupid to pay attention to it.


That was sarcasm, Kylie; at least I'm pretty sure it was. I'm surprised you couldn't tell, as I think you write pretty smart comments in general.

You know that guy could have come up with something like "Yeah, well it sounds like you were here for the riots after all, so, like, I guess you don't need me, do ya?" or another quick smart-ass retort like "Oh, yeah, come to think of it, there were about 6 white guys [gets her all relaxed]; oh, wait, no, that was at the chess club last week; nope, not a white person in sight"*

No matter what he was fixin to say, the bitch would cut him off anyway (or did), either right then or before anything aired.

Miss Reporter, the Ministry of Truth could really use a gal like you.


* See, if it were me, I'd think of a super-witty smart-ass remark, but the problem would be that I'd think of it about 2 hours later (the George Castanza factor - "Oh yeah?! Well, the jerk store called and they're runnin' out of you!).

Anonymous said...

Gotcha!

Perspective said...

I've been going over videos and pictures of rioters in cities such as Liverpool, Bristol and Manchester. The most striking thing is that blacks are WAY over represented compared to their percentage of the population. In all the aforementioned cities, blacks represent no more than 5-6 percent of the population. In the case of Liverpool, blacks are only around 2 percent of the population! Google image 'Liverpool riots' to see for yourself!

Anonymous said...

Who are you going to believe? Me or your own lying eyes? No merchant he didn't want to be looted again would say that here in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

trey said...

Big Jim even makes his observation in the least bitter way imaginable. He doesn't spit out 'black youths' with any real anger in his tone but says it in a very soft manner.

The reporter could have easily overlooked this breaking of PC code if she wasn't obviously so on edge to watch that no unacceptable frames get into the viewer's minds.

David said...

PC is a faith. The belief in things unseen.

Blacks are misunderstood angels, whites are devils. That is the revealed Truth. Anything contrary must be a delusion.

Do we need more faith-based ideation, or less?

AmericanGoy said...

So, basically, this clip proves that Whiskey was right all along, eh?

Anonymous said...

"So, basically, this clip proves that Whiskey was right all along, eh?"

Ha! In fairness, the strictest p.c. enforcers I know are white urban women.

Kylie said...

"Kylie, you ever heard of sarcasm? I was agreeing that Big Jim would know who looted his store because he was there, unlike this dumb reporter."

My sincere apologies.

On threads like this one, we often get at least one leftist troll. I've read comments like yours posted in all earnestness by lefties.

Also, I've very literal-minded (and, I suspect, more than a little autistic) so I sometimes misinterpret what's obvious to people who are more normal in their socialization.

Again, sorry. Now that I belatedly get what was obvious to everyone else from the start, let me say, 'Good comment'.

"That was sarcasm, Kylie; at least I'm pretty sure it was. I'm surprised you couldn't tell, as I think you write pretty smart comments in general."

I was pretty sure it wasn't and it looks like you were right. Don't be surprised if I don't get online sarcasm. I am very literal-minded and more than a little off in my perceptions.

True story: Alongside the highway, I saw a sign posted "Bridgework Ahead" and my honest-to-god first thought was, "Whoa, I didn't think doctors and dentists were allowed to advertise in this state."

Svigor said...

* See, if it were me, I'd think of a super-witty smart-ass remark, but the problem would be that I'd think of it about 2 hours later (the George Castanza factor - "Oh yeah?! Well, the jerk store called and they're runnin' out of you!).

L'esprit de l'escalier

Svigor said...

PC is a faith. The belief in things unseen.

Blacks are misunderstood angels, whites are devils. That is the revealed Truth. Anything contrary must be a delusion.

Do we need more faith-based ideation, or less?


But it's an evil religion that intentionally obscures and destroys the good, and mythologizes and enables the bad.

Svigor said...

Ha! In fairness, the strictest p.c. enforcers I know are white urban women.

Nobody denies that SWPL women are some of the worst Kool-Aid drunks. But Whiskey has them running the distilleries and that just ain't so.

Anonymous said...

Nobody denies that SWPL women are some of the worst Kool-Aid drunks. But Whiskey has them running the distilleries and that just ain't so.

Well put.