Here's an academic paper explaining the black-a-block quota successfully (if illegally) imposed by the government of liberal Oak Park, IL many decades ago to keep Ernest Hemingway's hometown on the edge of Chicago from going all black. Commenter Silver points out that you can go to this NYT map of the racial makeup of the entire country in the 2010 Census, type in Oak Park, IL and zoom in. You'll see that the east side of Austin Boulevard (Chicago), where my wife grew up, is now virtually all black, while the west side of the street (Oak Park), where my father grew up, is quite white.
It's not like there's a cliff there or something. Frank Lloyd Wright's Oak Park houses are called Prairie Style because it's dead flat.
No, it's like this because the government of Oak Park back in the 1960s passed laws to let in some respectable blacks, but definitely not too many. People in Oak Park like to celebrate this as a triumph of liberal integrationism, which I guess is one way of putting it. But mostly they don't like to talk about it. Personally, I think it's a fascinating solution that has mostly been stuffed down the memory hole.
Liberal white hypocrisy is a given. But, the techniques liberal whites (Oak Park voted for Obama 83-16) use to get what they want are well worth study by the less privileged.
By the way, here's a long review I wrote in VDARE five years ago of William Julius Wilson's book about Chicago real estate and race, There Goes the Neighborhood. Much of my output as a writer has been to integrate how everybody thinks about real estate in their personal life and how nobody thinks about policy as a public intellectual. Thus, this is one of my better efforts.
By the way, here's a long review I wrote in VDARE five years ago of William Julius Wilson's book about Chicago real estate and race, There Goes the Neighborhood. Much of my output as a writer has been to integrate how everybody thinks about real estate in their personal life and how nobody thinks about policy as a public intellectual. Thus, this is one of my better efforts.
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Liberal Whites, it's not hypocrisy, it's the simple fact that SWPL are juggling competing priorities: they believe in black equality but also want their kids in good schools which are for easons of 'historical circumstance' are not black dominated. SWPL really do believe what they espouse.
It's all mostly reducible to some simple formula, easy to remember:
A) blacks= problems + trouble
B) all white is alright
C) integration: the period between the first black and the last white.
The last one ,c, is the one whereby different formulas are looked for so some balancing act can be kept going in order to drag out the experiment in achieving heaven-on-earth.
Just mind your ABCs and you won't go wrong.
I think the republican party should make liberal diversity it's #1 goal!
Section 8 housing, etc.
If the republican party had any brains they would...
though i suspect articles similar to steve's observations will shortly appear in the NRO (but not David Brooks - he's not that stupid he knows who's reading the NYT)
of course you won't be cited.. sigh, just tipped you steve :)
Restrictive Covenants, Steve.
That's how you restore property value, communities, and take back America.
was this policy actually illegal when oak park pursued it?
Meh, I'm not all that impressed with the Oak Park solution. It's the same as HYPS admissions policy: vacuum up the black upper class and sniff derisively at those loser whites that have to live next to the projects and know better than to integrate.
In short it doesn't scale. A few elite communities can have their token, but if everybody starts doing it you quickly run out of blocks that haven't taken their "one" which then results in wholesale redlining to stuff-in the left-overs.
Or am I mistaken and you're not advocating everyone follow Oak Park's lead, but are just commenting on the hypocrisy?
"Liberal white hypocrisy is a given. But, the techniques liberal whites (Oak Park voted for Obama 83-16) use to get what they want are well worth study by the less privileged."
White libs voting for Obama isn't really hypocritical. It's consistent since Obama is the product of white Hawaii and Jewish Hyde Park, the Oak Park of the South Side.
What Obama learned is he's gotta make a deal with white libs and Jews to rise in life. And part of that deal is mulatto elite gets a share of the pie while Obama preserves the privilege of white libs and Jews in their enclaves. He's their kid.
If white libs voted for a true black leader with a true black agenda, that would be hypocrisy.
Obama, in contrast, is black-a-block-ism in action, indeed all the way to the white house. As DC becomes more white, white house gets a little darker, or black-a-block.
If white cons offer no special deal to blacks, white libs offer special deal to mulattos and black elites to buy them off. So, black elites accept the special privileges of upper crust white libs while middle class and working class whites--especially conservatives--get it in the neck.
So, president black-a-block is in keeping with the white liberal agenda.
"Blacks need their smart responsible blacks in their neighborhood more than whites do."
But smart responsible blacks need their children to grow up in the absence of the other sort.
In the mid 1970s I was teaching at Upsala College, a pretty decent Lutheran-affiliated college in East Orange, New Jersey that eventually went defunct when the area in which it was situated became an urban war zone. During the time I was there I observed the downtown East Orange area turn from a pleasant suburban town center into a blighted urban disaster and the pleasant suburban part of East Orange where I had an apartment turn into a blighted geographic outlier of Newark.
I was truly shocked at how quickly this happened. It took place within the year I taught at the College. Things got so bad -- crime, human waste and garbage dumped on streets, sidewalks, and yards, constant harrasment of neighbors by the invading hordes, assaults of students on campus -- that more than a few residents moved away even before they sold their houses. Unless you have seen this in person it's hard to believe how quickly it can happen and how awful the process can be.
To me the most unbelievable part was the almost comical refusal of liberal adminstrators, faculty, and staff at the College to admit or even allude to the on-going disaster that was happening around them and to them. The College's president at the time even refused an offer by a wealthy alumnus to pay all the expenses of relocating the campus to the site of a defunct academy about thirty miles away in Bucks County, PA.
Nobody does anything about hypocrisy unless pushed against the wall about it. Hypocrisy is just too comfy and cozy.
Liberals are totally hypocritical about doing little or nothing about the plight of Palestinians, but as long as the Jewish-controlled media and academia do little about it--and as even conservatives suck up to Zionism--, nothing is ever done about it.
As Ron Unz detailed in the AC article, Asians and white gentiles could be getting the shaft by privileged Jews who run the racket at Ivy League. Jews are being hypocritical, guarding their own privilege while yammering about equality, but as long as no one holds the Jewish feet to the fire, Jews aren't gonna do anything about it.
So, pointing to hypocrisy isn't enough. It's gotta be pushed.
Part One:
Please further explain the relative lack of spill over crime between neighborhoods. Perhaps you should consider sending a shout out to Chicago area law enforcement to help answer the questions I will raise.
I lived in Chicagoland for almost 2 decades. From 1998-2002 I lived in a Uptown neighborhood perhaps not far from where you lived, Malden and Wilson, "Sheridan Park" is what the real estate agents called it.
During the early to late nineties(peak and late crack epidemic era) I would visit friends in east Oak Park, one street west of Austin Ave. The primary characteristic of the Austin neighborhood you should stress is that it is a notorious drive-thru drug market.
My friends would send out fliers and emails making absolutely explicit that when coming to their parties from the city, heading west on the Eisenhower Express Way one should skip the closer Austin Ave exit if possible and take the Harlem Ave exit and then double back east.
Still these instructions were difficult to follow. There was a constant flood of traffic getting off at the Austin Ave north exit, that could force one to take the exit. On a Friday evening there would be a long line of cars heading east into the Austin neighborhood. Traffic would back up on the "IKE" as well. As well there was a long line of cars leaving Austin and heading back onto the Eisenhower in the opposite direction. Chicago cop cars were there to keep the peace. So this was by no means chaos. It was as if this was Wrigleyville and the Cubs were in town. When I turned left/west on to Harrison going into Oak Park, an Oak Park squad car was standing watch to look out for riffraff.
So, from a house one street west of Austin you could hear gunshots in the distance and police and ambulance sirens all night. Yet this was home to a single South Asian female engineer who worked out in the western suburbs, lived alone and she felt perfectly safe.
Austin must be such lucrative drug turf because it caterers to middle class yuppies, hipsters and those addicts on the downward spiral from Chicago's trendier neighborhoods and of course the Dupage County suburbs who can not afford more upscale local drug connections. The well heeled who can afford a well scrubbed to your door drug courier like the Willem Dafoe character from the movie Light Sleeper, would never drive out to Austin. Just like parts of Uptown, I am sure Austin neighborhood is awash with its own drug addicts who by combining welfare and extra "benefits" from assisting the drug trade (as lookouts, panhandlers(distractions) "testers"...) can afford to consume a large portion of the drugs sold there. But I suspect it is the drug buying commuter willing to pay a nice premium in order to avoid pedestrian exposure who still makes this possible and the Austin drug market so lucrative. With working and middle class Austin residents long gone there is nobody left to complain about the conga line of dope seeking motorists.
The local powers know that shutting down the Austin drug trade could be done with great effort. But it would only mean pushing the it towards other sectors of the city where the police would be less capable of keeping an eye on the goings on and avoiding collateral damage. I think you would agree that Uptown, Edgewater, Rogers Park and Howard have their own share of drug dealers and do not need more. And who wants to risk ruining the city's crown jewel, the lakefront. Whack-a-mole serves nobody's interests. If all but a few of the homicides in Austin do not involve residents not involved in the drug trade or associated activities why bother?
josh said..
Its not a good solution. Blacks need their smart responsible blacks in their neighborhood more then whites do.
One of the things about the old segregation was that those very blacks (those who would in another time have been referred to as 'the talented tenth') were pretty much forced to live in black areas. They were able to use their influence and powers of moral suasion to help keep the black community in line and have some measure of respectability.
Today those very same blacks are the first to bail out of 'da hood' as soon as they can. You now have a kind of process of 'natural selection' in black areas. Where the best and brightest leave and the rest remain behind.
Part Two
Still the question remains that requires a complete satisfactorily answer. Why so little spill over crime from Austin impacting Oak Park especially considering the high levels of substance abuse rampant in the Austin community. Neither the "black a block" real estate compact or the constant police surveillance explains it all. With so much blight in Austin and so much relative prosperity literally right across the street in Oak Park and lots of public transportation connecting both, why not more break-ins, muggings and rapes resulting in felony homicide?
I wonder if there might be a second corresponding secret/unspoken agreement, this time between law enforcement and the drug gangs in Austin.
Let's say some knucklehead druggie ex-teenage low level dope-slinger from Austin gets caught attempting a break in of the residence of a female in Oak Park with assault, and possibly rape, in mind. Would it really surprise any body if the the shot callers in Austin would gladly take care of this knucklehead for all concerned. For the gangs this means one less potential snitch to have to worry about and would protect their prized drug turf from public outcry. With so many "unresolved" murders in Chicago anyway do the Austin gangs have any reason to expect more than a perfunctory attempt at an investigation yet alone a conviction.
Do I have any evidence for this? Not really. But here is what I am sure is true. Many of Austin's murders are either unsolved or fail to result in a conviction. At the street level, the drug trade requires an endless conveyor belt of under 18 males with too many heading for a "Logan's Run" fate. Once past 18 and especially if now substance abusers themselves they are of little use to the highly pyramidal gangs. Over eighteen, now subject to adult sentencing, and often with a baby momma or two to support they are too expensive and too much of a "snitch" risk to keep around. "Extracurricular activities" by over the hill (think 18 + one day) gang banger deadwood to support their own drug habits that could only jeopardize the monetary interests of the gang are likely therefore to be dealt with harshly.
My only real claim to this hunch is that in mid nineties I was a juror on a gang murder trial that happened just south of the Eisenhower from Austin. the "victim" was a 19 year old gang banger, now substance abuser who was becoming a perpetual screw up. The prosecution's case was that after busts for burglary, stolen property and a messed up dope deal, his baby momma, who started seeing another higher level gang member, set him up for execution. The victim's best homeboy was assigned to be shooter number one. When homey did not have the nerve to deliver a fatal shoot, after merely wounding the victim in the butt, the gang's enforcer, the defendant, a seventeen year old, fired the fatal shots. Still the prosecution could not begin to present any evidence or testimony to substantiate its case and we the jury were unable to convict. Trust me, seeing both the lead female prosecutor and her assistant having breakdowns resulting in tears in front of the jury was not helpful. The Judge later told us a guilty verdict would have likely resulted in a certain mistrial on appeal.
Again, a shout out to law enforcement familiar with the particulars of the Austin neighborhood could provide insight.
"Liberal white hypocrisy is a given"
That needs to be on a T-shirt.
we do this in nyc now if a developer hopes to get his luxury condo tower built he has to set aside a percentage of units for "affordable housing" the minority immigrants in my union making $100 an hour have it all figured out how to get them while making 100k a year. actually the court appointed special master has a suite of social workers the white members pay for to figure it out for the black members. and to figure out how to sue the union for back wages when all there working off the books while collecting the various union and state unemployment funds indicates a disparate impact between white and non white members gross incomes. they also have multiple baby mamas collecting welfare oblivious of how much these guys are raking in, and they all and i mean all inform me paying taxes is for suckers -read white people. apparently any urban tax prep shop can hook you up with enough social security numbers to claim as dependents for a couple hundred dollars that is if you haven't got enough indolent relatives over yet, yes its become clear the takeover of the civil service [jobs Americans didn't want]by minority immigrants is a double jeopardy they don't enforce the laws against their own. cops wont arrest shoplifters in the Korean groceries, the sanitation laws and zoning and landmark laws don't get applied to the black homeowners in gentrifying neighborhoods the transit workers don't do anything about the 30% of blacks that walk through without paying, but boy do they all enjoy it when they get their hands on a white person.
no restrictive covenants dont work in lefferts gatrdens brooklyn they must be one family its never enforced against blacks only against whites. the whites in the area will drop dimes on each other but not on the blacks. the city never enforces anything against minorities
HBD.
Hubidist?
Black crime is both a weakness and strength to blacks.
White go for guns, distance, and barriers against black crime.
But 'white guilt' makes whites feel bad about feeling this way about blacks.
So, white liberals wanna bring down the barriers between whites and blacks. But this can lead to black-on-white crime.
What to do?
The trick is to get the good blacks while keeping out the bad ones. To do this, whites need middlemen like Obama who can negotiate a deal with black elites and white libs.
Black elites get theirs and ignore black masses, and white lib elites get theirs and ignore white masses.
Steve observes ...
No, it's like this because the government of Oak Park back in the 1960s passed laws to let in some respectable blacks, but definitely not too many. People in Oak Park like to celebrate this as a triumph of liberal integrationism, which I guess is one way of putting it.
'Well ...', Marcus said, 'there goes the neighbourhood, Sweetpea.'
An area's tranquillity inequality is, like any other scarce resource, is subject to the laws of redistribution and our eternally vigilante New York Times editors and Federal Justice Department will soon investigate this intolerable situation.
I recommend young and knowledgeable Oak Park residents flee the area as quickly as possible before Oak Park home values plummet.
But 'white guilt' makes whites feel bad about feeling this way about blacks.
I don't feel any guilt about or towards blacks at all. I've never done anything to any black person in my life. The few times I have had situations or incidents with blacks were due entirerly to black provocation. I don't feel any responsibility for the crime and general dysfunctionality that plagues black communities. When whites become a minority who will blacks hang their guilt trip on?
Noticing that Rod Dreher had written something about Steve's Oak Park post, I began thinking about The American Conservative. Does Steve Sailer still write for it? And am I the only one who finds that it has become only mildly less boring and predictable than NR?
go-gay-and-stay
The leak in the dike of this solution is reversion toward the mean among the children of the well-behaved middle-class blacks allotted their one house per block.
If the people of Oak Park are so smart then why are they living In Illinois?
Michael Ryan said: no restrictive covenants dont work in lefferts gatrdens brooklyn they must be one family its never enforced against blacks only against whites
Hunsdon replied: The high nine ruled that restrictive covenants based on race were void as a matter of public policy, way back in the day. Also, punctuation and capitalization are your friends: they make conveying thought markedly easier.
Steve, you should be writing books if you really want a large audience for your ideas.
Oak park has some of the most fabulous houses west of Chicago. Granted the houses are mostly near Oak Park high school and west and northwest of the school.
I cannot predict the future but Oak Park high school has a enrollment of 27% blacks and it looks like to me as if they (Oak Park) is skimming from the top. Fully 31% of the black chilun are in the right hand side of the bell curve in mathematics. Only 6% are in the top quarter percent. This is compared to the state percentage of 0.8 in math. Truelly they are skimming from the top by some unknown method to us peasants. The elite DWL are quite clever in Oak Park!
You cannot believe the number of Obama signs in Oak Park in this last election.
Bottom line; The further you live from the black undertow and you receive all your information from the government, media, newspapers, TV and movies the more you will be blinded by the propaganda matrix that we all currently live in.
Oak Park could turn. The only thing I see that will stop Oak Park from becoming a black ghetto are the very high property tax rates. Most of the properties along Austin Blvd are apartments and of course section housing vouchers will bring in talented football players, wrestlers and top tier IQ types.
The Oak Park elites are very, very clever to control their environment.
"It's not a good solution. Blacks need their smart responsible blacks in their neighborhood more than whites do." - but then how could the right sort of white people crow about how much better they are than the wrong sort of white people?
"The leak in the dike of this solution is reversion toward the mean among the children of the well-behaved middle-class blacks allotted their one house per block." - they get thrown out and replaced with a new couple then 1984 style.
Come on, peoples! There's magic in that centerline of Austin Avenue and we need to know what it is. Maybe this should be the Edge question for 2014?
These last few posts on Oak Park have been great, Steve. I grew up in Oak Park moving there at the age of three after my parents divorced in 1972. Oak Park has some of the highest property taxes of all the suburbs surrounding Chicago. This was a point of pride amongst parents when I was growing up. As was their undying self satisfied liberalism. OPRF HS was one of the best in the state. Some of the parents of the kids in Austin would rent apartments in Oak Park just to send their kids there. There were many blacks when I went there in the 80s, close to 20%. Many would wear the Union soldier cap that designated them as 4 corner hustlers/disciples. My guess is most were fringe at best(worst?). The school was pretty safe despite their presence but I get the feeling that the level of menace/danger has gotten worse over the years. One thing that has unquestionably changed is the ranking of the high school. We were considered a top 10 high school back then. Now they are 58. Nearly 40% are NAM now. I am a parent now contemplating which suburb to move to. Oak Park's convenience to downtown would be nice. OPRF's performance and make up is unacceptable. I think many parents in similar situations are looking at Arlington Heights, great schools, nearly all white. However its depressing to think that could change overnight when some social engineer decides that the schools need some diversity. Its already happened in some surrounding suburbs (Palatine, Mount Prospect). I am afraid I won't be able to bite my tongue at the school distict meetings.
When whites become a minority who will blacks hang their guilt trip on?
Whites of course.
Yes you are the only one William. TAC isn't conservative, and really isn't that american with the weird orthodox vibe they have going with a lot of their writers. It is just weird to see one writer post about the dangers of the religion right and then the next poster in effect re-post the Moscow patriarchs christmas homily. Honestly, I don't get how people complain about NR and then read TAC. Is it just crotchey paleocons still pissed about the inside job at Pearl Harbor who think this way?
" Brolin said...
Liberal Whites, it's not hypocrisy, it's the simple fact that SWPL are juggling competing priorities: they believe in black equality but also want their kids in good schools which are for easons of 'historical circumstance' are not black dominated. SWPL really do believe what they espouse."
- Wishful thinking. It's been debunked- they know they are lying.... Excerpts from some of the published works of Lee Jussim, a social psychologist...
"The higher people scored on the PC Scale (a new scale assessing lying to appear unprejudiced)
the more they claimed to know about nonexistent civil rights leaders and organizations."
" ERP's are Event Related Potentials, which are pattens of electrical activity
in the brain. Lying has been demonstrated to evoke a unique pattern of ERP's.
In this study, people's ERP responses to the PC scale (see Romain Walker, below)
were found to be similar to those occurring when telling blatant lies
(e.g., it is 90 degrees outside today -- when "today" is a typical December day in New Jersey"
Oak Park got a couple of years. But so what? Eventually that place too will be filled with Section 8. There is no place else for the endless supply of new arrivals, this time from Mexico, to go, other than the suburbs. And so they will.
The eternal contradiction of machine politics is that the raw materials for it to function, an ever greater amount of dirt poor non-Whites (or Whites like the Irish and Italians and Poles in the mid/late 19th Century) means they must constantly move outwards from the city center to new areas. Because the new arrivals are drawn by the promise of say, not living on top of garbage mounds as in Tijuana or Manila.
Lets just assume that oh say, Chicago gets another half a million Mexicans arriving in the next five years (a safe bet IMHO). Where are they going to go? Will they live happily amongst the existing Black ghetto dwellers on the South and West Sides? My guess is no, one or the other groups will move up north and to the lake, and bingo! No more Oak Park.
Black a Block is not stable, not a solution, because Open Borders means either half of Tijuana on your doorstep, or the effect of the Huns on the Visigoths (pushing them West to ravage the Empire). In Orange County today, I can see this effect already. Lots more Black homeless, and Black people in general after a complete absence after the closing of the Marine Bases (both the Tustin Helicopter and the El Toro Air Base). They are being pushed south out of Long Beach as that place transforms along with South Central from almost entirely Black to almost entirely Mexican. And the Blacks pushed out have to go somewhere.
Stockton and San Bernadino crime rates have soared, laid off officers and an influx of mostly Black gangsters from South Central into San Bernadino have helped create a big crime wave.
Heavy policing in Oak Park is one part of the solution of Black a Block, and that in turn depends on Chicago's finances. Which is an open question, I'd bet they are more Stockton and San Bernadino than Portland or Seattle. Already the FT is reporting that Chicago is suing the city of Oaklawn, some sixty miles east of Chicago, for making a deal with American and United to "accept" jet fuel there at tax rates a full percentage point lower (and lower still after deals that have both airlines having a presence there and "accepting" fuel rather than taking delivery there for a decade). Point being money can flee easily to outside jurisdictions leaving Oak Park without money in Chicago to provide policing for yuppies and welfare for Black/Hispanic voters.
Guess which one Rahm will choose. It won't be the yuppies of Oak Park. There's a sucker born ... every minute.
Black-a-Block or Block-a-Black?
"Truelly they are skimming from the top by some unknown method to us peasants."
Quite mysterious, it's called "teaching."
you can go to this NYT map of the racial makeup of the entire country in the 2010 Census
Actually, that particular map (with the racial breakdowns) is based on American Community Surveys from 2005-2009. I don't know why they don't just update it with 2010 census data.
Restrictive Covenants, Steve.
That's how you restore property value, communities, and take back America.
That could be an important tool, but racial restrictive covenants are illegal and they're not going to become legal again until there is a sufficient cultural shift. Which brings me to the next point (quoting another poster here, not you):
To me the most unbelievable part was the almost comical refusal of liberal adminstrators, faculty, and staff at the College to admit or even allude to the on-going disaster that was happening around them and to them. The College's president at the time even refused an offer by a wealthy alumnus to pay all the expenses of relocating the campus to the site of a defunct academy about thirty miles away in Bucks County, PA.
I have no reason to doubt this story, but merely complaining about liberal delusion or hypocrisy just isn't an effective means to combat it. Alerting political bedfellows that it is hypocrisy/delusion can be important insofar as it alleviates their misconceptions about liberals, but that's about it. Liberals are what they are and they're not about to change just because you don't like it. Basically, libs gonna lib.
Well, if that the case, then the question you have to ask is do you want to win or do you want to be right? If you just want to be right then just keep complaining. You'll be right all right, but you'll keep losing. But if you want to win then it requires understanding and addressing liberals' deepest fears and concerns. That's a lot harder than trotting out IQ studies and crime stats and moaning about stupid liberals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Around_the_Bunker
TAC isn't conservative, and really isn't that american with the weird orthodox vibe they have going with a lot of their writers.
Don't you get it? What is good for Russia is good for the US. If Russia conquers the world, everything's coming up roses for America. Russia was never a threat - it was always the Scots-Irish. (sarcasm)
o/t - Elephant ? What elephant ? The Economist on SWPL cities.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2013/01/inequality
When whites become a minority who will blacks hang their guilt trip on?
Whites of course.
From Steve's favorite MILF.
. OPRF HS was one of the best in the state
awesome indoor track too!
"When whites become a minority who will blacks hang their guilt trip on?"
Um, whites. See South Africa, India, etc.
Was this a trick question?
A similiar thing was done in Hyde Park within the city. Ukrainian Village (on the West Side)had a different approach. All of the residents got together and agreed to not advertise any homes for sale. They would only tell other residents who then would find buyers for the buildings. This kept a very old neighborhood (housing stock from the 1880's and 90's) from becoming part of the surrounding black and Puerto Rican ghetto. The area is now very much gentrifying but I think the policy is still in place.
Off topic, but I just wanted to say, Steve, that you showed a lot of class in Drum's comment section. I can't believe how angry those people got. At all points, instead of critiquing your data or reasoning, they just said, "You evil racist with your pseudo-science!" And you just kept piling on the data, calmly and rationally. Well done.
Are there national, ethnic, religious, ???, groups that maintain control of neighborhoods in Chicago?
The Oklahoman had a story about an Indian immigrant who lived in West Rogers Park, "home to many immigrants from India and Pakistan."
goatweed
Here in the virtually all white Oakland hills my next door neighbor is black. Normally all the blacks are west of Route 13.
This is easy to see on the crime maps. The flat-lands are so dangerous they made a reality TV show about it. Virtually the only crime around here is from the occasional black teen gangs that come up the hill to break into houses.
My black neighbor Lloyd is a nice guy - certainly nicer than I am. His house is twice the size of mine. He is a retired store owner. He did very well. He has two Mercedes and one Porsche. He lives alone in his three story million dollar house with five bedrooms. I'm sure the neighborhood association which conducts crime watch patrols to look for black intruders, would welcome more blacks like Lloyd.
The Oakland hills are kept white by simple economics.
This may be the year of change. Route 13 - the racial dividing line in Oakland - is also the Hayward Fault. The all black housing projects down by the Bay are all built on Bay Fill. Californians know what that means.
We are 145 years since the last shake. Our fault slips every 140 years on average. If we have our natural disaster this year it will have a decidedly racial cast.
Matthew says the Lord rains on the just and the unjust alike. But not in Oakland. All the serious damage will be in the black area. Lloyd will be fine.
Albertosaurus
I just went over to GLP, then to Mother Jones where you were engaged in the discussion about lead and IQ, Steve.
I admire you greatly, your intellect, your committment to empiricism.
However, close behind is my admiration for your ability to ignore the noise in the system, all the sillies that comment, all the ad hominem attacks they throw your way, like pre-teen boys insecure because they haven't grown theirs yet.
Thanks for the work you do, Steve.
"'It's not a good solution. Blacks need their smart responsible blacks in their neighborhood more than whites do.' - but then how could the right sort of white people crow about how much better they are than the wrong sort of white people?"
By adopting black babies.
Liberal white hypocrisy is a given. But, the techniques liberal whites (Oak Park voted for Obama 83-16) use to get what they want are well worth study by the less privileged.
Joe Sobran said that, “In their mating and migratory patterns, there is little difference between a liberal and a Klansman.”
>Don't you get it? What is good for Russia is good for the US. If Russia conquers the world, everything's coming up roses for America. Russia was never a threat - it was always the Scots-Irish. (sarcasm)
The Scots-Irish: spreading xenophobia
and war hysteria since 1933.
I attended high school in Oak Park in 1969. At the time, it was close to 100% white, and almost certainly voted Republican. It was represented in the House by Harold Collier, who was certainly Republican. Comments about liberals passing those laws (which, if memory serves, were passed in 1972 or 1973, not in the 1960s) are therefore not based on fact.
Don't get me wrong. I don't like liberals, either, but, unless Oak Park changed a whole lot between 1969 and 1972, Oak Park was still voting majority Republican.
The wrong sort of white person does most of the black baby adoption, Kylie.
As others have pointed out, the liberal "solution" is not one which can ever work for society at large. There simply are not enough "good blacks" for every white suburb in America to have it's own anti-federal-lawsuit shield.
what's going on sailer u haven't produced any content in *TWO**** days!!!!!!
dubya tee eff
"When whites become a minority who will blacks hang their guilt trip on?"
Whites hanged it on themselves.
"what's going on sailer u haven't produced any content in *TWO**** days!!!!!! "
I bet he's working on the effects of lead pollution over at Mother Jones comments. We'll probably get a comprehensive summary someday. It's important, not only for HBD but in general.
Robert Hume
Truth:
""Truelly they are skimming from the top by some unknown method to us peasants.""
"Quite mysterious, it's called "teaching."
Whoa! Truth! Are you saying that Chicago teachers do not teach?
That the overwhelmingly white teachers of Oak Park teach and the duskier teachers of Chicago do not? What are you? Some kind of Rahm Imanuelite? Some Michele Rheeite?
Before the sista-teachers whack you upside the head I think you need to reconsider. It is "The Legacy of Slavery" that causes black failure, not dumb [black] Chicago teachers as compared to smart [white] Oak Park teachers.
Segregation is illegal
Blacks won't go back to Africa
Black-a Block only works for well-connected SWPLs
Importing Mexicans tends to cut down on black crime but turns the neigbourhood into Los Angeles
Some clever social engineer musr be able to come up with a solution
I don't understand the fondness that anti-semites have for the Palestinians and their hatred for Israelis.
That fondness goes overboard, is highly disingenuous and is unrequited.
Fondness or not, however, it's simply a fact that Israel oppresses Palestinians. It's wrong and it has to stop. Period.
Fondness or not, however, it's simply a fact that Israel oppresses Palestinians. It's wrong and it has to stop. Period.
No, it really doesn't. Not any time soon, anyway. History tells us that groups of people oppressing other groups of people in land disputes can go on for a very long time. How do the Israelis stop, anyway? If they give in to the Palestinian's demands, they'll be the ones being oppressed, and fast!
" Its already happened in some surrounding suburbs (Palatine, Mount Prospect). I am afraid I won't be able to bite my tongue at the school distict meetings."
Palatine High has a lot of Hispanics. Fremd is still is pretty good shape because there are few apts near there.
Buffalo Grove High has slighty fewer whites than Fremd and more Hispanics.
Palatine was all white in the 70's and 80's. Palatine was 99.9% white in 1975.
I live in the NW suburbs and it has changed greatly since the 70's and 80's, some suburbs more than others.
"Segregation is illegal"
You can change laws.
That fondness goes overboard, is highly disingenuous and is unrequited.
Speaking of unrequited, what about the fondness the Evangelicals and the GOP show towards Israel?
I had a liberal dream today... that one day, a single black family could be allowed into each liberal white elite neighborhood, so that liberal white elites could pretend they give a sh*t, while keeping themselves and their children out of harm's way...
If they give in to the Palestinian's demands, they'll be the ones being oppressed, and fast!
The terrorist Palestinians will drive all the defenseless lambs into the sea! Lol.
The terrorist Palestinians will drive all the defenseless lambs into the sea! Lol.
Absolutely. How else would it play out, the Jews hand over the reins of power to the Palis and they all live happily ever after?
>Absolutely. How else would it play out, the Jews hand over the reins of power to the Palis and they all live happily ever after?
I guess that might happen if the Izzies are crazy enough to hand over all their nukes and super-duper German U-Boats to the Pals.
Thanks to Anonymous for the great inside scoop on Austin. I guess it's like the Tijuana of the Greater Chicago Area.
It's not "dead flat" in Oak Park. In fact, the continental divide passes through the city. There's a marker of the divide in Scoville Park, in the northeast corner, if I recall correctly.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8901886,-87.7945527,3a,75y,221.69h,85.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYNdEdgeJyXUPRnPX27au5Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
Note the gentle hill to the east of the area shown in the image.
It's by the way that Scoville Park has a fascinating WWI memorial.
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