May 1, 2013

Immigration bill flop sweat at the Washington Post

From the WaPo:

Obama tries to set realistic expectations on immigration

Meeting with liberal supporters, he says a deal might not have everything they want.

22 comments:

Anonymous said...

You do great work, Steve. I'm not sure how to avoid sounding like yet another sycophant, but when our public culture returns to sanity, know that you are one of the men who made it possible. Thank you.

-The Judean People's Front

William said...

The woman in the picture accompanying the article looks like something from a Ralph Steadman cartoon.

carol said...

well, just judging from Facebook, Republican-type people I thought *might* be sympathetic are proving to be quite stubborn on this issue. And this is way up near the Canadian border. God bless 'em..who knew?

Anonymous said...

Off topic - this just in the news.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/chemist-accused-starbucks-poisoning-attempt/story?id=19083812#.UYG-907n_Gw

Ramineh Behbehanian attempted to plant 2 orange juice bottles at a Starbucks tainted with poison.

What ethnic group is Ramineh Behbehanian and what ethnic group is most common at Starbucks?

Shouldn't this be classified as a terrorist attempt?

Anonymous said...

off-topic: I don't know if this is genuine but pretty interesting if it is.

from

http://infoproc.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-bright-young-man-who-comes-here-and.html

"Ilgar Aliev • 8 hours ago
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Flag as inappropriateMr. Sailer[meant to be Hsu i guess], I am a government official from azerbaijan interested tasked with improving test scores in my country. I've been doing some research through your blog and others (Jayman, Mr.Malloy's excellent Human Varieties). Is there any way to get in touch with anybody at BGI about nationwide pre-natal cognitive testing? Azerbaijan is a small country and performed quite poorly on the 2009 PISA/PIRL tests (we scored about 431 in the math section) --- most of our national product is oil -- and its running out, so I and a small advisory group here are interested in contacting BGI for future programs in the baku area - is it possible?"

countenance said...

So what the bill won't be 100% of what liberals and Democrats want. Even a Republican-slanted "comprehensive immigration reform" bill helps Democrats out in the long run. It just won't help Democrats out in the short term to the extent they want.

The only way this not being a dream bill for the left helps us is if the left, in an arrogant fit of impatience, votes against the bill. That's highly possible, because D.C. is a highly partisan city. Both Democrats and many Republicans agree that the wrong thing should be done, but they get into squabbles over which kind of wrong thing should be done, the red team's wrong thing or the blue team's wrong thing. Partisan jealousy just might thankfully kill the whole bill.

If I was a left/Democrat strategist, I'd be telling the whole party to let the open borders Republican types like Rubio/Graham/McCain take the lead, write the bill they want, pass it, and let them take all the credit. Like I said above, it will only serve to benefit Democrats in the long term, and maybe it would also benefit Democrats in the short term because Republicans getting the "credit" for amnesty means that white voters give them all the blame for amnesty, ergo they stay home in '14 and '16 and Democrats win everything.

Harry Baldwin said...

Isn't the failure of the More Immigration and Amnesty Bill a win anyway for the president, as it will help him gin up outrage at the House Republicans and maybe prod the lethargic Latino vote into action?

Anonymous said...

Was reading some report about a USC panel with McCain & Arnold--the East Coast narrative-wrangler didn't seem cognizant that having Arnold show up at your event (he gave the money for the USC operation) does not necessarily yield boffo publicity in the needed precincts of Socal support. Then there was another of McCain pleading with "the business community", whatever that is, to spend more money on promoting the immigration bill. I was in Sacramento today and there was nothing doing flash-mobwise--the combo of 90-degree heat and unseasonally strong actual wind maybe not conducive for banner-waving Piolin listeners.

Anonymous said...

Th could be aconspiracy that the Chechen bros are agentes trying to prevent immigration reform with them not knowing.

deconstructingleftism said...

I think what really works for immigration enthusiasts is almost, but not quite passing an amnesty bill. The status quo works pretty well for them. Business gets cheap labor. Liberals get jobs in the social service system providing services to illegals. Businesses don't really want to have legal workers who can unionize or complain. Liberals don't really need more consumers of limited funds making more demands. Amnesty supporters get to look noble, and they will get more votes to keep trying.

Ex Submarine Officer said...

I think what really works for immigration enthusiasts is almost, but not quite passing an amnesty bill.

We are so used to this being a Republican strategy (hoodwink the base) that we don't even recognize it when the Dems do it.

The R's don't deliver anything to the base (closed borders, abortion, limited gov, all that stuff), but the Dems really do - for 50 years they have been delivering the goods on degeneracy and moochery.

I have to say, I am so used to the Repubs being the party of screw the base, I didn't even stop to consider that maybe there are some DINO like actions out there as well.

Maybe there is hope after all. Why should our side have a monopoly on Judases.

Anonymous said...

Well, I'll do my little part tomorrow and call Rubio's office, tell him I used to support him.

Seems things are falling apart for libs, for the moment at least.

I see that a bacterial meningitis outbreak among gay men in NYC and possibly LA is putting a scare into people. The usual suspects are trying to tamp down the news of it and in those instances when papers report it, commenters are angry the reports link it to the gay community....HELLO???????

So, Jason Collins coming out, gay marriage go together as unicorn stories but deadly meningitis among gay men? Uh oh.

Yeah, like we expected no disease outbreaks ever again in gays.

Anonymous said...

The R's don't deliver anything to the base (closed borders, abortion, limited gov, all that stuff), but the Dems really do - for 50 years they have been delivering the goods on degeneracy and moochery.
This is true, the republicans once had middle class San Diego and traded it for lower middle class Bluefield West Virginia. The Repubs of the 1960's were mainly in the low poverty and mainly white counties of San Diego and Orange but Ronald Reagan legalized millions and changed that also the Repubs like West Virginia and Kentucky since they are high on the social issues.

Engineer Dad said...

With the recent revelation by Stanford scientists that MRIs can predict which children benefit from mathematical instruction by measuring their brain structures, has public opinion soured on poor folk "Immigration Reform"? New genetic and medical discoveries every month provide further proof of the clout of good breeding in creating and sustaining wealthy societies. Why do our politicos immigration policies court foreign talent so fiercely, but to drain the brains and energy of less developed countries. Now if they could only develop policies to undo the damage the last 15 years open borders has done to our most vulnerable 'Loved Ones'.

Like Wilbur Glenworthy, perhaps, 'We've got to find a way to get these stiffs off of our property.'

Brain measurements predict math progress with tutoring

Structure associated with memory formation predicts learning ability

A child who is good at learning math may literally have a head for numbers.

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/350018/description/Brain_measurements_predict_math_progress_with_tutoring

David said...

The FBI just hauled in three alleged accomplices-after-the-fact.

Two of them are Kazakhs.

How many more criminal aliens are swarming all over the country our forefathers left to us (their posterity)?

Yet The Business Community has ordered amnesty - and Obama, Rubio, Rand Paul, and all the other hirelings are gonna deliver, no matter what. (If amnesty were really about inflating Democrat Party voter rolls, then why do such prominent Republicans support amnesty - do they really believe that amnestied invaders will vote GOP out of gratitude?)

Ex Submarine Officer said...

I see that a bacterial meningitis outbreak among gay men in NYC and possibly LA is putting a scare into people.

Once again, the CW of the ages is confirmed. Sodomy is dirty/disease prone compared to sex (in the hetero classic sense, which also has its issues, but not nearly as many and has the benefit of sometimes producing cute little cuddly ones).

But we are all supposed to studiously ignore this wisdom while at the same time be stricken with paroxysms of empathy for the poor innocent AIDs or whatever stricken sodomites who had *no idea* and were as innocently victimized by their affliction as a homeowner is by the sudden appearance of a sinkhole.

As for the immigration, keep up the good fight, never apologize, never explain - your opponents never do and your posterity will revere you.

Jack Hanson said...

McCain's town halls have generally featured his constituents telling him this is going to be another 1986 amnesty disaster, pointing out her argued against an amnesty when JD Hayworth challenged him in the last primary fight, and then end with him shouting with some border rancher who's been shot at by dope mules in the last month.

Of course, this factoid doesn't make it out past the Cathedral gatekeepers, as well as the fact that 65% or so of Arizona voters are tired of McCain.

If senator Cruz can break the back of this bill he may have a real shot at a 2016 run.

Cail Corishev said...

(If amnesty were really about inflating Democrat Party voter rolls, then why do such prominent Republicans support amnesty - do they really believe that amnestied invaders will vote GOP out of gratitude?)

Some probably really do believe the "Hispanics are natural Republicans" nonsense. Others are simply willing to trade the Democrats several million votes and welfare recipients in exchange for millions of cheap laborers.

Others may be cynical enough to figure that making the Democrats even more NAM-heavy will push more whites to the GOP, making the effect on voter registration a wash.

Think through the next step said...

Right, but here's the dilemma.

Even if you people get what you want. No to amnesty. Even deportation(which would never happen because a large portion of the illegals are children under 18 born in America).

What difference does that make? Romney got around 60% of the white vote and he would have needed 62-63%.

Next election a Republican may well need 66% or more to win.

That will never happen because to get that, the GOP would have to ditch Wall St AND the neocons(who control all the GOP media and only because they are not conversative, they only care about Israel).

The demographics alone have not gone so far. Why make it worse, you ask? Fair point. But even if we mitigate the damage we cannot stop the flood. What is the plan B that you people have even if there's no amnesty? The GOP is fundamentally broken as a party. The Dems got 80% of the non-white vote(and increasing).

Giving up democracy isn't going to fly. This is America, after all. The birthplace of modern Democracy.



Icepick said...

I'm not sure how to avoid sounding like yet another sycophant, but when our public culture returns to sanity, know that you are one of the men who made it possible.

The culture isn't returning to sanity. The BEST people can hope for from the immigration reform movement is to keep the status quo, meaning the inflow of illegals will continue, with more and more anchor babies. The Third Worldization of the country will continue regardless, because the elites of the country WILL get a new population of peasants if it kills the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

Apologizing to America from AZ.
Have yet to meet anyone who'll admit to voting for McCain. If it goes against the American citizen, he's Johnny on the spot. 2nd Amendment, border control, even nutritional supplements! His deplorable record will be finished by 2016 though. Then Senator Palin will take his spot. If you thought you've heard the screams of hate from the Left before, well, you ain't heard nothin' yet! Fun ahoy!

David said...

I met someone who believes Rand Paul is a genius and Ann Coulter is a devil because amnestying x million illegals will turn most of them into Republican voters (i.e., they will vote GOP out of gratitude for the GOP's support of amnesty). There really are people that stupid. But I doubt that any politician is that stupid - certainly not the Amnesty Gang; it's only the plebs whom they've punched for years who are that drunk.