May 2, 2013

Djoker's Best Buds: Diversity is Cambridge's strength

Dias Kadyrbayev and Azamat
Tazhayakov, from Boratstan but
Straight Outta Cambridge
From USA Today
Dias Kadyrbayev and Azamat Tazhayakov, 19, were charged Wednesday with conspiracy to obstruct justice by conspiring to destroy, conceal and cover up tangible objects belonging to [Djoker] Tsarnaev, namely a laptop computer and backpack containing fireworks. ... 
Kadyrbayev, a citizen of Kazakhstan who entered the United States on a student visa, faces a maximum sentence of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine if convicted. 
UMass Dartmouth says Kadyrbayev is no longer a student there. His profile on the VK Russian social network site says he is a member of the class of 2015 at the School of Engineering, Massachusetts Institute of Technology. However, Sara McDonnell, assistant media relations manager at MIT, said, "There is no registered MIT student of that name." .... 
Kadyrbayev first met Tsarnaev in the fall of 2011 at UMass and became better friends with him the following spring, he told investigators. ... 
Kadyrbayev's VK "world view" is Islam, his "personal priority" is listed as "improving the world" and next to "Important in others" he has listed "kindness and honesty." He has listed his views on smoking and alcohol as "very negative." .... 
Kadyrbayev indicates his music preferences are Gucci Mane, Ralph Cieli and Juicy J. 
...Azamat Tazhayakov is a Kazakhstan national, a pretty good soccer player and a 19-year-old accused of helping the suspected Boston Marathon bomber get away with the crime. 
In Kazakhstan, Tazhayakov grew up in Atyrau and graduated from Miras International School in Astana, according to his Facebook page. At the University of Massachusetts-Dartmouth, he played in the indoor soccer league and made the all-star team, league records show. 
The school said Wednesday he has been suspended pending the outcome of the case. 
West Kazakhstan Today [is that like the USA Today of West Kazakhstan?] reported April 26 that Tazhayakov's father, Ismagoulov Amir Tazhayakhovich, a deputy on the city council of the family's hometown Atyrau, planned to fly to Boston to see his son, who had been arrested on immigration charges. 
The father is a "well-known businessman" who chairs the board of directors of Abylaikhan Group JSC, a residential home builder, the newspaper reported. ...

Robel Phillipos
Robel Phillipos, charged with lying to authorities investigating the Boston Marathon bombings, was the first friend to recognize Dzhokar Tsarnaev's photo on TV news and alert the two other university students accused of aiding the suspect, according to the FBI affidavit released Wednesday. 
Phillipos, Tsarnaev and Dias Kadyrbayev and Azamat Tazhayakov attended the University of Massachusetts-Dartmouth. Phillipos, 19, of Cambridge, was studying marketing, but the university said Wednesday he is not currently enrolled. 
With Tsarnaev, he was a 2011 graduate of the prestigious [?] Cambridge Rindge and Latin School, the city schools' superintendent's office said. 
Phillipos, a U.S. citizen, lives with his mother, who is from Ethiopia and works with refugees, WHDH-TV reported. Their Cambridge apartment is next to the gas station where the Tsarnaev brothers carjacked a vehicle before getting into the shootout with police in which 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev was killed. 
"Robel is a nice boy, very nice kid," said neighbor Tecleverhan Mengistu, who has known the family for 15 years. 


Kaz said...

Hah, these names make it difficult to keep track of what's going on in this article..

I wonder if these guy were really trying to help him. I don't get why..

jlf said...

Very common for people to confuse the mediocre Cambridge Rindge and Latin with the prestigious Boston Latin. I made this mistake when I first moved here.

Misophile said...

Straight Outta Cambridge

Anonymous said...

Amerikwa indeed.

Maya said...

"I wonder if these guy were really trying to help him. I don't get why."

Bro solidarity? They appear to be idiots. And for idiots, it's hard to incorporate new information into an already existing world view, see things in perspective or put priorities in the correct order.

Misophile said...

Azamat? Fitting. That was the name of Borat's sidekick.

Anonymous said...


on SAT 2012 white percentiles for maths-800 and CR-800 were 99+ and 99 respectively(on the gender ethnicity pdf that collegboard puts out). more reading 800s than maths.
yan shen where art thou?

Steve Sailer said...



I'll steal the Straight Outta Compton 1988 NWA reference.

IHTG said...

Judging by his last name, the homely Ethiopian kid is an Orthodox Christian(?)

Anonymous said...

>reported April 26 that Tazhayakov's
>father, Ismagoulov Amir Tazhayakhovich,
>a deputy on the city council of the

the guy's first name is Amir. This way of putting names in that order - last name, first name, middle name (patronymic) - is characteristic of Russian officialese. I know, who cares, but still.

Steve Sailer said...

"Orthodox Christian?"

Nestorian Christian?

Steve Sailer said...

"is characteristic of Russian officialese. I know, who cares, but still."

That's interesting -- certainly comes up a lot in classic Russian novels.

Captain Tripps said...

Heh...both Kadyrbayev and Tazhayakov look like they have lots of Mongol steppe raider DNA in them; I wonder if they are directly descended from Ghengis Khan? I heard he got around...

Dr Van Nostrand said...

Those guys look quite different from Tsarnaev brothers who are more Caucasoid Iranian types.

Azmat and company look like orignal Turks from Siberia.

Anonymous said...

Have you heard about the new movie from Jon Hurwitz and Hayden Schlossberg?

Azamat and Dzhokhar Escape from Guantanamo Bay.

The lives of two stoners are turned upside down when evil racist White Americans make false (lets hope!) accusations against the lovable duo.

Rollicking good time, trains Asians to be the new . . . er, . . . uh, Weathermen.

Darkseid said...

Notice how all of these guys are being described as "nice kids"

Big Bill said...

"Sara McDonnell, assistant media relations manager at MIT, said, "There is no registered MIT student of that name." .... "

Sounds like the HLS [Lack of] Communication Department.

Let me translate for you non-bureaucrats.:

"We typed the exact string of characters you gave us over the phone into the MIT database and (a) did not get an exact character-by-character first name + last name match that (b) is registered as of this moment."

Hunsdon said...

There is a vast, huge difference between Kazakhs and Chechens. The Kazakh line has a heavy strain of Mongolian DNA, due, of course, to Genghis. Apparently the original Kazakhs were reddish of hair, greenish of eye . . . until the 13th century.

The Kazakhs were pastoral nomads, same as the Mongols. The Chechens were more like the Scottish highlanders (as our host has alluded to recently).

Azamat is a very typical Kazakh name. Anonydroid at 3:10 is, of course, correct: Ismagoulov Amir Tazhayakhovich is expressed in the same manner as Putin Vladimir Vladimirovich. The -ovich means "son of." (The female equivalent is -ovna for "daughter of." If a guy named Vladimir had a daughter, her name would be, say, Anna Vladimirovna Jones.) Usually, however, there's a comma involved: Putin, Vladimir Vladimirovich, or just Putin, V. V.

An important detail to remember when considering Central Asia is that Russian domination came along fairly late. The former capitol of Kazakhstan, Almaty, was only founded as a city in the 19th century, as Fort Vernii (Fort Faithful).

Almaty is a corruption/derivation of Alma-Ata, or Father of Apples. The new capitol, Astana, was renamed in the very late 20th century ('95 or thereabouts). Astana means "Capitol" in Kazakh, which is a Turkic language.

The wikipedia article on Astana is rife with errors on such trivial matters as dates and what the name means. (I was personally informed by an enthusiastic lawyer from the Ministry of Justice that Akmola meant "White Tomb" and the Russians I knew there freely translated it as "Belaya Mogila" which means, yup, "White Tomb.")

The name Kadyrbaev sounds very upper crust Kazakh. In Kazakhstan, you've got to be from the right "zhus" (like "shoes") or clan. I'm not sure where I've heard Kadyrbaev before---former prime minister? minister of justice?--something like that. He's not just some mook; he's a hooked-up mook.

Kazakhstan was variously a dumping place for suspect minorities, a tense frontier with China, and fresh country that lured people looking for opportunity. (The old Russian saying, "God is in heaven and the tsar is far away" can be taken a number of different ways. "Far from the central apparat" is one of them.)

There were large communities of Greeks, Germans and Chechens in Kazakhstan under the Soviet Union, as well as a large, large Russian community. After independence, they mostly all left. The south of Kazakhstan is predominately Kazakh, and the remaining Russians are mostly in the north. This is widely suspected as a reason for the relocation of the capitol: to better unify the country.

Also, of course, all that construction meant a lot of extra money stuck to Nazarbaev's fingers.

Nazarbaev himself is, or was, a fairly enlightened tyrant. He regards the country as family property, plans to hand it down to his kids, and wants to hand it down in good order. He's done a good balancing act in a rough neighborhood (neighbors: China, Russia, Iran, Kyrgyzstan, and, of course, the invisible empire of America). He won a lot of plaudits by giving up his SS-20s in a deal brokered by Jimmy "the Fix" Baker. And he has moderated anti-Russian sentiment among the Kazakhs.

Anonymous said...

We now know that for at least an hour-and-a-half after they carjacked a vehicle in Alston-Brighton the two bomb bro's hung around the Alston-Brighton/Cambridge/Watertown/Belmont area and circled through Watertown at least three times before dumping their carjack victim in Cambridge and heasding back to Watertown where their final confrontation with police occurred. The neighborhood in Watertown that they kept re-visiting has a significant population of Muslims from the Balkans/Caucasus/Anatolia. It's also worth noting that after informing their carjack victim repeatedly that they were going to NYC they left him unattended in a Cambridge gas station, as if they wanted him to inform the police that they were heading for New York. Finally, it's worth pointing out that all this time the bomb bro's were within a few miles of two main routes to NYC, Interstates 80 and 93/95. There are many spots along these routes the two could have killed and dumped their carjack victim, assuring themselves at least two days of travel time in a vehicle that would have been of no interest to law enforcement.

The MSM keep reporting that these guys were desperately seeking to escape to NYC yet all the information I have seems to suggest that they were attempting some type of rendezvous in Watertown in an area where it is not unreasonable to suspect that they might have had accomplices. I suspect that a larger conspiracy will eventually be revealed if the current law enforcement investigations are addressing the concerns that I've just outlined.

SMERSH said...

Meh, I'll be more interested in these guys if it turns out that they did something to actually help in the terrorist attack.

Right now it seems that they are just being made an example of because they did an incredibly minor and stupid favor for their bro Joker.

Anonymous said...

The Turkic peoples were originally next door neighbors and close cousins of the Mongols, and yes, the original Turkic-speakers were Mongoloid. Turkic languages today are spoken from northwest Siberia to Turkey (duh). Generally, the further north and west you go, the greater the Mongoloid admixture. The original Mongoloid Turks, while they conquered various Persian and Middle-Eastern Caucasian peoples and imposed their language on them, were never that great in number and their DNA was swamped by those they conquered in places like Turkey.

I believe the Turkic-speaking nations are as follows: Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Kyrgyzstan. In the latter four, your average person looks about how a typical half-Asian person in the US looks.

Londoner said...

I'm surprised that only now do I recall that supposed Tsarnaev-a-like Bob Dylan wrote a well known song called... Jokerman!

Dan said...

Son's of Genghis Khan and Obama strike again!

The mother Phillipos is a diversity commissar importing Africans into Mass too. It could not be more perfect. Look upon it here is the multicult in all its glory.

Chicago said...

Were they planning on going back to Kazakhstan or did they intend to apply for permanent residency? They're barely here and are already involved in something like this. They must be members of the world anti-white united front who are all determined to move to the US.

Thomas O. Meehan said...

When questioned by a National television reporter why he and other college room mates didn't report the The Bevis and Butthead Bombers, an Hispanic Room mate stated that he just couldn't "Throw them under the bus." The same room mate appeared a bit later giving a reporter lots of background about the nice and ordinary nature of the bombers. I've got to believe that the FBI saw this and immediately saw Bevis and Butthead's roomies as likely facilitators.

So it appears that there is a subculture of deceit among foreign and Hispanic students against the majority. Diversity makes strange bedfellows.

Extropico said...


"Djoker" is one of the sobriquets of the esteemed tennis player Novak Djokovic. Now I'll have dissonant conflations whenever thinking of the word.

Dr Van Nostrand said...

@ Hundson

Ya Iranians and Indo Iranians in Central Asia have been steadily retreating before Turkic Mongols for atleast 1500 years.

And as consequence ,India had been retreating from Iranians since approximately that time as well as all the Iranian ethnic groups poured in as well wishers of the Persian empire and all but wrested Pakistan and Afghanistan from Indic influence. This is one reason you find near Nordic types in Afghanistan but not in India.

Of course intra Central Asian population movements also had their ripple effects across Europe ie the Huns.

Zubeida Tsarnaevs ethnicity Avar is not native to that region but comes from the same general area.

I saw a documentary on Discovery or Nat Geo that showed a kind of parasite had devastated the vegetation on which the Huns grazed and in this conjunction with pressure from proto Mongols set into motion expansion of Turkic people into Central Asia.for most part they assimilated into the superior culture in Europe they encountered except for one(Hungary).
Even so, among non Ugric and Hunnic descendents the influence reverberates, one of my ex bosses was a very respectable Slovakian Catholic named Atilla!

It need not be that only Asiatics look Asian. One of guys in my gym who I though was Korean turned to be a very Russian Orthodox with a Slavic accent out Cold war Hollywood casting.

The relation between Greeks and Russians reminds of Saudis and Pakistanis. In both cases a nuclear armed state looks upto and often prostrates before an economically and militarily weak nation because they owe their culture and faith to them.Yes,yes Saudis have oil money, but they really didnt in 1947 when Pakistan came into existence and the same dynamic played out.
Mehmets conquest of Constantinople was quite a setback for Russians as the transmission of much needed culture was cut off propelling Russia into a mini dark age of its own.
Much of the support for the Baathists in Iraq and Syria from the Soviet Union may be due to the fact that the Baath party was the brainchild of a Greek Orthodox Arab and modelled somewhat after Stalinism.
The Arab youth in Lebanon who beat up Christopher Hitchens a few years ago for defacing their swastika logo were members of a party composed exclusively of Greek Orthodox Syrians.
Much of the earlier PLO was Greek Orthodox heavy(George Habash) and this enabled it to acquire much needed Soviet support.

Anon 6:40

I mentioned on the other thread on Open Borders that Turks in Byzantine mostly just coopted the Greeks into their culture and language which is why they look and act European for the most part. Oddly in all the arguments the Turks presented for their application as Europeans,this one was conspicuous by its absence!
Not coincidentally perhaps, Turks are the most sophisticated Middle Eastern people ,not advanced as Israelis but considerably less coarser!

However people do start looking more Oriental when you travel to Anatolia (east of the Bosphorous).When I visited Istanbul, it was like another South East European city.

The whitest people in the sthans you mentioned are usually Russians who went native.

Harry Baldwin said...

SMERSH said...Right now it seems that they are just being made an example of because they did an incredibly minor and stupid favor for their bro Joker.

Funny way to look at it. Aiding the object of the nation's largest manhunt is a stupid but hardly minor offense. However, I'd be satisfied if we could just deport everyone involved and their extended families.

hub bubs said...

I know Cambridge prefers to see itself as an exciting melange of 1890s Baltimore and 1990s Bethesda but lately they seem more like the kind of burg depicted in a blaxploitation flick, with vibrant shootouts between bagmen and plucky young hustlers that invariably destroy some third-party karate studio or massage parlor

Anonymous said...

""I wonder if these guy were really trying to help him. I don't get why."

Bro solidarity? They appear to be idiots. And for idiots, it's hard to incorporate new information into an already existing world view, see things in perspective or put priorities in the correct order."

Why do we need these people studying in the US? These are hardly world class minds.

How many US citizens got turned down by UM-Dartmouth, but they let these guys in? This is a state school I assume.

How many citizens are turned down by top state schools like UCLA, Mich etc , while at the same time foreigners are let in? Pathetic.

Anonymous said...

There's an op-ed by a Heritage Foundation guy out today criticizing the non-emphasis on assimilation. In the op-ed he identifies himself as a Cuban emigre, which made me stop for a second since Cubans seem rather intensely nationalistic already when they're back in the Old Country; ditto for Poles, Irish, Greeks, non-Sicilian Italians, and Taiwanese. But if you import some "close-knit family" from Schizostan or any place where the national identity is weaker than the Muslim identity (Egypt, Pakistan) how can you expect Assimilate appeals to work? Islam is about 180 degrees off from assimilation, modernity, etc. so it's drearily predictable that an Albanian or Somali is going to wrinkle his nose up and laugh at the 4th-of-July pledge-allegiance civic religion. Will we never acknowledge the well-established record of certain groups worldwide who just don't "do" assimilation?

Misophile said...

Caught this gem of a quote on a Daily Mail article about Tamerlan's wife:

>Sometime around 2008, Tsarnaev's erratic and violent behavior escalated as he stopped smoking and drinking and suddenly became heavily involved in Islam

"Oh no, Daddy came home religious."

Maya said...

"Why do we need these people studying in the US? These are hardly world class minds."

You know... I am a good girl who doesn't aid terrorists nor do I cover for other criminals. I'm never late to school and/or work, hold doors for strangers, and I never litter. I've also earned a college degree and volunteer with homeless doggies.

And yet, I still have no idea why you wanted ME here. And you must have wanted me because you put a green card in my hands on my first full day on the American soil. I'm here through the diversity lottery. I'm very nice and all that, but since I got here, I haven't witnessed a shortage of little girls who are no less nice than me. In fact, I had to learn the whole no littering, smiling and volunteering thing from them.

The truth is that you don't really need to bring anyone here, other than some rare genius or an extremely rich capitalist. I am a teacher, and it was tough to find my job. I know a bunch of very nice American born teachers who are currently unemployed.

Fredd D. said...

Never saw the dark guy at the bottom in the news (not surprising that they would tend to focus on the ice folks).

The top two look Asian- I guess its the contribution from the Mongols to Central Asia.

Taters for June said...

You are now about to witness the strength of Goat Knowledge:

Straight Outta Cambridge
Crazy Muthafucka named Dzhokhar
From a Gang called Chechens with Attitude

I gotta hard on
for my Ko-ran
And a Pressure Cooker that's blowin'

You too boy if ya f**k wit me
The police are gonna be too late to get my nails out yo ass

That's how we goin out
Like a lady that's walkin' out

Without her Zoot suit
out the door

Mix it and put it in the pot with C4

Goin' off on the truck on the way there

Like Fourth of July in the Square

Galtonian said...

I think the two guys might be of the ethnic group that used to be called "Tatar" or "Tartar". This ethnic group had an infusion of Mongolian ancestry due to Genghis Khan and the Mongol empire.

Hunsdon said...

DVN: Mehmets conquest of Constantinople was quite a setback for Russians as the transmission of much needed culture was cut off propelling Russia into a mini dark age of its own.

Hunsdon: Up to a point, Lord Van Nostrand! That was, what, 1453? At that time, Russia was still laboring under the infamous Tartar yoke (татарское иго), paying tribute in gold and slaves to the Golden Horde, a successor horde to the Mongols.

(I know it's properly Tatar, but I bifurcate, and say Tatar in Russian, Tartar in English.)

The Russians finally threw off the yoke in about 1480, roughly a generation after the Fall of Constantinople . . . and fairly quickly adopted the meme that they were the Third Rome.

I'm afraid I'm woefully uninformed about the cultural links between the Byzantines and the Russians.

It's fascinating to dig down and try to find underlying reasons for historical events---such as the Huns or, on a much lighter note, the emergence of the kilt among the Scots highlanders. (My theory on that: the end of the medieval warming period.)


Anonymous said...

WHY are these people here?

Svigor said...


Haha. :)