January 29, 2014

Feminism: "Feelings / Nothing more than Feelings"

From The Nation, an article about how black feminists scream at white feminists and then other white feminists pile on those vicious racist white feminists. And how "trans" feminists can get very, very upset at the Vagina Monologues-type feminists who actually have vaginas.
Feminism’s Toxic Twitter Wars 
Empowered by social media, feminists are calling one another out for ideological offenses. Is it good for the movement? And whose movement is it? 
Michelle Goldberg  
... The dogma that’s being enforced in online feminist spaces is often called “intersectionality,” ... Online, however, intersectionality is overwhelmingly about chastisement and rooting out individual sin. Partly, says Cooper, this comes from academic feminism, steeped as it is in a postmodern culture of critique that emphasizes the power relations embedded in language. “We actually have come to believe that how we talk about things is the best indicator of our politics,” she notes. An elaborate series of norms and rules has evolved out of that belief, generally unknown to the uninitiated, who are nevertheless hammered if they unwittingly violate them. Often, these rules began as useful insights into the way rhetorical power works but, says Cross, “have metamorphosed into something much more rigid and inflexible.” One such rule is a prohibition on what’s called “tone policing.” An insight into the way marginalized people are punished for their anger has turned into an imperative “that you can never question the efficacy of anger, especially when voiced by a person from a marginalized background.” 

World War F
Similarly, there’s a norm that intention doesn’t matter—indeed, if you offend someone and then try to explain that you were misunderstood, this is seen as compounding the original injury. Again, there’s a significant insight here: people often behave in bigoted ways without meaning to, and their benign intention doesn’t make the prejudice less painful for those subjected to it. However, “that became a rule where you say intentions never matter; there is no added value to understanding the intentions of the speaker,” Cross says. 
There are also rules, elaborated by white feminists, on how other white feminists should talk to women of color. For example, after Kendall’s #solidarityisforwhitewomen hashtag erupted last fall, Sarah Milstein, co-author of a guide to Twitter, published a piece on the Huffington Post titled “5 Ways White Feminists Can Address Our Own Racism.” At one point, Milstein argued that if a person of color says something that makes you uncomfortable, “assume your discomfort is telling you something about you, not about the other person.” 
After Rule No. 3, “Look for ways that you are racist, rather than ways to prove you’re not,” she confesses to her own racial crimes, including being “awkwardly too friendly” toward black people at parties. 
Now, it’s true that white people need to make an effort not to be racist. And there are countless examples of white feminists failing women of color and then hiding behind their good intentions. Ani DiFranco provided a textbook example of what not to do when, following an uproar over her plan to hold a songwriting retreat on a former slave plantation, she then canceled it with a self-pitying statement: “I know that the pain of slavery is real and runs very deep and wide. However, in this incident I think [it] is very unfortunate what many have chosen to do with that pain.” (DiFranco later issued a more sincere apology.) 
But the expectation that feminists should always be ready to berate themselves for even the most minor transgressions—like being too friendly at a party—creates an environment of perpetual psychodrama

To feminists, "perpetual psychodrama" is a feature, not a bug.
particularly when coupled with the refusal to ever question the expression of an oppressed person’s anger. 
“I actually think there’s a subset of black women who really do get off on white women being prostrate,” Cooper says. “It’s about feeling disempowered and always feeling at the mercy of white authority, and wanting to feel like for once the things you’re saying are being given credibility and authority. And to have white folks do that is powerful, particularly in a world where white women often deploy power against black women in ways that are really problematic.” 

World War B
Preening displays of white feminist abjection, however, are not the same as respect. “What’s disgusting and disturbing to me is that I see some of the more intellectually dishonest arguments put forth by women of color being legitimized and performed by white feminists, who seem to be in some sort of competition to exhibit how intersectional they are,” says Jezebel founder Holmes, who is black. 
“There are these Olympian attempts on the part of white feminists to underscore and display their ally-ship in a way that feels gross and dishonest and, yes, patronizing.” 
This reached an absurd peak during the tempest over #Femfuture. Jamia Wilson was one of the black women involved in the Barnard meeting, and she has since become part of the four-woman leadership team for the #Femfuture project, which continues to work on ways to make online feminism financially sustainable. She watched incredulously as white women joined in the pile-on about #Femfuture’s alleged racial insensitivity. One self-described white feminist tweeted at her to explain that no women of color had been at the Barnard meeting “and that I needed to be educated about that,” Wilson recalls. Somehow, activists who prided themselves on their racial enlightenment “were whitesplaining me about racism,” she adds, laughing. 
In a revolution-eats-its-own irony, some online feminists have even deemed the word “vagina” problematic. In January, the actress and activist Martha Plimpton tweeted about a benefit for Texas abortion funds called “A Night of a Thousand Vaginas,” sponsored by A Is For, a reproductive rights organization she’s involved with. Plimpton was surprised when some offended Internet feminists urged people to stay away, arguing that emphasizing “vaginas” hurts trans men who don’t want their reproductive organs coded as female.

Reading this more closely, I realize I may have gotten this backward. The protesters may be individuals who have vaginas but are objecting to the cultural stereotypes that encode vaginas as being -- in some arbitrary socially constructed sense -- female.
“Given the constant genital policing, you can’t expect trans folks to feel included by an event title focused on a policed, binary genital,” tweeted @DrJaneChi, an abortion and transgender health provider. (She mentioned “internal genitals” as an alternative.) When Plimpton insisted that she would continue to say “vagina,” her feed filled up with indignation. “So you’re really committed to doubling down on using a term that you’ve been told many times is exclusionary & harmful?” asked one self-described intersectional feminist blogger. 

World War T trumps all others for ferocity and wackiness.

By the way, why did Vagina Awareness become a feminist cause just because Eve Ensler wrote her 1996 play The Vagina Monologues? My impression in 1996 was that Larry Flynt had been doing yeoman's work raising America's Vagina Awareness for decades, and there really was no shortage of Vagina Awareness.

In fact, my recollection from reading Ms. Magazine in 1973 was that back then feminism was in part about raising awareness of a different, more often overlooked part of the female anatomy -- rhymes with Dolores. But that seems to have been forgotten.
 

96 comments:

Anonymous said...

It used to be a handful of feminists owned all the magazines, news outlets, and academia and owned the narrative.

Now, via twitter, all kinds of 'feminists' can bitch and whine.

Time to bring out KKKrazy glue to put these ho's together again.

josh said...

Holy Shit. This is France, 1792. We've gone completely bananas.

Gubbler of the Society of Reformed Chechenistics said...

PMs Magazine

Anonymous said...

Again Hysterical!
Robert Hume

Oswald Spengler said...

Anonymous josh said...
Holy Shit. This is France, 1792. We've gone completely bananas.

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Who is the proverbial man on the white horse to save the Republic?

Maguro said...

Far out, man.

Anonymous said...

my brain hurts, i really don't know how i could sleep at night knowing i was getting paid to be a professional feminist

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

World War B.

Anonymous said...

from ms. coopers bio:

"Professor Cooper has also published book chapters on Black women's history in fraternal orders and the Janet Jackson Superbowl incident."

lol that the janet jackson incident is worthy of any research, let alone a book chapter

Reg Cæsar said...

No it doesn't. It rhymes (roughly-- and fittingly) with "hit-or-miss"

Anonymous said...

I read that too and I've been watching this battle go down. It's been a hoot. Hugo Schwyzer deserves some award for tying up feminism in logical/rhetorical knots.

Feminism is about being oppressed. "Grrl! I'm a woman and black and poor and handicapped and transexual and crazy! Don't be ax-in me fo sypatty fo you not bein firs in line fo de Facebook chairmainshtip! Lean-In my welfae chek! Mhhmm." (Shakes head and rolls eyes.)

And really, how can you argue with that? You go girls!

Anonymous said...

What are the Total Fertility Rates for these people?

For every 100 of them, I doubt that they leave behind much more than 10 or 20 biological children [if that].

In another 20 or 30 years, they're all gonna be dead, with practically no one in their family trees remaining to replace them.

Circa 2030, as the boomers are dying off en masse, this stuff is gonna start to look a whole lot different than it does now.

Reg Cæsar said...

In my 30-year-old dictionary, that word is almost immediately above "cloaca". How like Nature herself. The only entry (sorry) between them is "Clive".

Paging Mr Davis!!




hardly said...

this is the most amazing thing ive read in a while. I think we should be celebrating that the trannies are nuking the feminists and gays at the same time. I love it. Schadenfreude. Long live world war T. Yay Yay Yay!!!
Honestly, world war T really works in our favor because, much like the internecine wars of communists, it only serves to weaken the left. But they're too weak to actually pose a threat to the evil white male order, because trannies are too few in number. Unless propaganda targeted at children convinces a bunch of them to chop their cocks off.

Whiskey said...

Jeebus. This is like a Roissy parody. Only real. Actually you could not parody this. It parodies itself.

OK, so we have:

White women worshiping non-Whites particularly non-White or Black women. Check!

Debased Volk Marxism everywhere about oppressor stuff. Check!

FEEEEEELINGS and massive bitch fests masquerading as scholarship. Double Check!

Check please.

A male oriented society would certainly have its feuds, they'd be more entertaining, as each faction and actor would try to show just how much of a tool the other was, and wrong in everything. Here's its a massive bitch fest.

And women wonder why men don't respect them? Exhibit A ...

Regarding Ensler and the Vagina Monologues, one critical part of the "performance" is a relationship between a fourteen year old girl and thirty something nasty ole lesbian. Paging Mr. Roman Polanski, Mr. Woody Allen, Mr. Errol Flynn, to the White Courtesy Phone!

Sadly, the next great movement will be to reduce the age of consent so nasty old lesbians can hit on Joe Average's 13 year old daughter and Hollywood pervs can get more action.

And like most of the outlier stuff it will win. Why?

My own modest insight is that while most White women are not as lunatic as the ones in the post, they are lunatic to some degree, tilted wildly to the left, and filled with rage, hate, and HATE HATE HATE towards White men who did the only great betrayal a woman can get from a man: become unsexy.

The KKKrazy Glue that holds the left together is most White women's hate hate hate towards White men for just not being sexy enough. If every White guy in America was made into say, the Poor Man's Hugh Grant (actor Michael Weatherly) then America would resemble Ike's USA almost instantly and Obama and Moochelle would be languishing in Leavenworth.

Miguel S. said...

"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a s--- about the rules?" --- a f------ veteran

Anonymous said...

It seems like harmless idiocy. But keep in mind that such screechy imbeciles can be susceptible to...basically anything. Even things that could involve practical marching orders that could benefit ambitious sane people.

There's no question that all modern authoritarian governments had such propaganda-infected drama queens as their main standard bearers.

Ex Machina said...

We're the Roman centurions at the end...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDe9msExUK8&t=230

Anonymous said...

@hardly - "Unless propaganda targeted at children convinces a bunch of them to chop their cocks off."

That is the most cis-gendered thing I've ever heard! You're on notice! You will be boycotted!

(LaQuinta - Get me some vodka..)

Scheissherr said...

"Unless propaganda targeted at children convinces a bunch of them to chop their cocks off."

Weelll...I actually could see this convincing a few young boys who don't like rough-and-tumble play that they are actually girls inside, and the PC parents swallowing it up, turning what would have been moderately wimpy guys into lifelong freaks.

Chicago said...

Who are these people? Where do they come from and how do they support themselves? Are they all employed in the women's studies departments of universities or are they bored baristas and waitresses with time on their hands? They sure seem to have a lot of time and energy to devote to all this.
What's funny is seeing this new development of the trannies breaking down the door and crashing the party. Those trannies are going to out-b**ch the b**ches.

Svigor said...

Now, it’s true that white people need to make an effort not to be racist.

Wake me up when leftoids tumble to the fact that this is racist.

I know that the pain of slavery is real and runs very deep and wide.

The legacy of slavery is the greatest boon to ever befall a large black population in the history of the world; blacks descended from less fortunate blacks the world over are jockeying to get 'em some of that "pain."

Svigor said...

Hardly: yes, there is a certain morbid fascination in watching the left eat itself.

The trouble is that we're locked in the same asylum with these nuts, and they're obsessed with keeping it that way.

Anonymous said...

Read the blog of Dr Jane Doe at genderidentitywatch.files.wordpress on the Plimpton vaginas debate. In their complaints to Martha Plimpton, trans men and their defenders proclaim that all they wish is for their complaints to be heard. Disingenuous would be a polite word for this claim. What they really want is capitulation to the trans orthodoxy (if that is not too ironic a phrase.). When Plimpton declares that she is glad they are having this controversial discussion, trans and co shoot back that it code for denigrating trans people. What such groups want is not "dialog" or intersectional it's at all. If anyone has a right to claim discrimination and denigration, it is biological women with vaginas.

Anonymous said...

A womyn is more than her vagina, and equally a man is more than her vagina.

Hereward said...

"To women, 'perpetual psychodrama' is a feature, not a bug."

Fixed that for you. These feminists just seem extra-girly to me; they're like a bunch of 6-year-olds making up elaborate systems of etiquette for their pretend tea parties.

Jerry said...

This stuff is amusing and also pathetically unimportant... it is the stuff of decadence, and it makes one long for the inevitable economic depression and purge to come quicker.

By the way, Mr. Sailer, how about some posts about economics, investing, prepping for the crash... I know this might bring out the tinfoil brigade, but there are so many intelligent people reading this blog who must also have thought deeply about our economic circumstances.

Anonymous said...

Reg Caesar:"No it doesn't. It rhymes (roughly-- and fittingly) with "hit-or-miss"

Yeah, it always bugged me how in that SEINFELD episode they mispronounced clitoris.

THREE KINGS did something similar with bullion. Instead of pronouncing the "ion" part the way that it should be pronounced (like in million), they pronounced it as though it were spelt bullyawn. It grated on me throughout the film.

Anonymous said...

Incidentally, when I thumbed through the comments of that Nation piece, it was largely piling on about what a criminal the author was for posting it.

Soviet Union indeed.

Anonymous said...

If anyone has a right to claim discrimination and denigration, it is biological women with vaginas.

And why would the be discriminated against? Because they are trying to be men, perhaps?

Anonymous said...

Feminists bitch that men burned witches in the middle ages, but it seems spinsters, lesbians, sluts, and hags are the biggest witch hunters.

candid_observer said...

Does it occur to any of these feminists that the very things they now find so objectionable about each other are the things that larger society finds objectionable in all feminists?

Is self awareness possible?

But the reality is that they have become a living, breathing reductio ad absurdum of identity politics.

And as usual you can count on the transgenders to bring on the absurdum big time.

candid_observer said...

Does it occur to any of these feminists that the very things they now find so objectionable about each other are the things that larger society finds objectionable in all feminists?

Is self awareness possible?

But the reality is that they have become a living, breathing reductio ad absurdum of identity politics.

And as usual you can count on the transgenders to bring on the absurdum big time.

Gordon Ramsay's Ghost said...

THREE KINGS did something similar with bullion. Instead of pronouncing the "ion" part the way that it should be pronounced (like in million), they pronounced it as though it were spelt bullyawn. It grated on me throughout the film.


Presumably confusing the word for the gold stuff with the word of French origin for broth, bouillon, which is pronounced (by some at any rate) BOO-yawn in English.

Anonymous said...

We need national feminism. Woman power in the service of white unity and survival.

Anonymous said...

hissing contest

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwBirf4BWew

Anonymous said...

Whiskey said:

"Actually you could not parody this. It parodies itself."

As do you, Whiskey. As do you.

garyinfh said...

From the Michelle Goldberg piece:

Sarah Milstein, co-author of a guide to Twitter, published a piece on the Huffington Post titled “5 Ways White Feminists Can Address Our Own Racism.” At one point, Milstein argued that if a person of color says something that makes you uncomfortable, “assume your discomfort is telling you something about you, not about the other person.”

After Rule No. 3, “Look for ways that you are racist, rather than ways to prove you’re not,” she confesses to her own racial crimes, including being “awkwardly too friendly” toward black people at parties.

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Upon reading this, my first thought was of Lenny Bruce's satirical rap on "How To Relax Your Colored Friends At Parties." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua0TT87KNwo

My second, less charitable thought was, "we let these people vote?" That one was followed closely by something I must have read in another of Steve's posts years ago: "When did the Love That Dare Not Speak Its Name become the Love That Dare Not Shut Its Mouth?"

Paul Rain said...

Ah.. the good old 'binary genitalia'.

What's wrong with admitting that everyone, besides some very unlucky freaks who we should all feel very sorry for, is born with either a 'I' or a 'O'?

Anonymous said...

From Monty Python's Life of Brian: Reg; What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies if he can't have babies? Francis: It's symbolic of our fight against oppression! Reg: It's symbolic of his fight with reality.

Anonymous said...

What they might take away from all this is that criticising, complaining, excoriating, etc, doesn't actually accomplish anything.

To get anywhere, feminists would have to create and sustain institutions of their own, alternatives to the Patriarchy. But of course they won't. The prefer the cheap thrills of self righteousness to the dull labor of building.

I won't hold my breath.

Anonymous said...

Steve's commentary is beginning to remind me of Mystery Science Theater 3000. It's actually a brilliant subconscious insight on his part.

agnostic said...

"Vagina Monologues" is such a fake iconoclastic title, but that's feminists for you.

Why not "The Crotch Hair Monologues"? Pamphlets on "Our Bushes, Ourselves." Or bumper stickers urging us to "Save the Pubic Rainforests."

That would actually be swimming against the tide.

dsgntd_plyr said...

"Sarah Milstein, co-author of a guide to Twitter"

1. There are Twitter guides.
2. It needed 2 authors.

Auntie Analogue said...


Years ago Camille Paglia excoriated the dogmatic Communist reeducation camp self-criticizing lunacy of lesbian feminists. As I recall, and I'm probably paraphrasing, Paglia wrote that above the entry to what lesbians like(d) to call "the life," this sign should be posted: ABANDON ALL HOPE OF THOUGHT ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE.

Anonymous said...

I thought when that "Pretendbians" site someone linked here was showing a giant doubleheaded ax for its logo -- you know, the kind popularized by Metaxas in the 1930s -- seemed like a pretty clear Lord-of-the-Flies mission statement. Probably not going to have anybody booked for Washington Week sitting between David Gergen and Gloria Borger.

Albert said...

I Wikipedia'd Martha Plimpton to see if she was related to George (she is, a distant cousin, as well as a relative of the cartoonist Bill Plympton who is of the same clan but spells his name differently). She's also a direct descendant of Kung Fu leading man David Carradine.

Auntie Analogue said...


The double-headed axe is a labrys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrys

Anonymous said...

Do you ever get a sense of Record-Store-Snob from these pointless Marxian squabbles? The sniffy Twitter post by DrJaneChi there-- it puts in me in mind of a David Cross character on Mr. Show, the guy with the scarf who carries the shellac phonograph around with him: "Nicknames are for friends and television is no friend of mine"

Anonymous said...

What they might take away from all this is that criticising, complaining, excoriating, etc, doesn't actually accomplish anything.

Point taken, but it does make the case for absolute separation. lesbians could go and live in Lesbania, transgendered in, er, Transgender and so on. But much as non-whites insist in staying in white countries to be oppressed by white racists, they probably dont want their own gender homelands.

Anonymous said...

What such groups want is not "dialog"

"Shut up", she explained....

Anonymous said...

"Shut up", she explained....

But he kept talking, even after she had patiently educated him ...

Anonymous said...

Trying to decipher this near impenetrable feminist language I have come up with this hierarchy of victimology:
Jewish feminists
Black feminists
Other non white feminists
Transexual feminists
White feminists

Those higher on the list have the right to criticize those lower on the list, but the other way is not allowed. Also to clarify why the jewish feminist in number one on the list, a black feminist could attack a jewish feminist if it she was being attacked for her white background, but in absolutely no way could a black feminist claim that the black victim experience was worse than the jewish victim experience.

Anonymous said...

Whiskey, whiskey, whiskey... ( is that a song?). Whatever to make of our Scots-Irish friend?
Excoriating the fellow is something of a pastime here, but I feel in charitable spirit. He is an idiot, no doubt - on foreign policy beyond redemption - but he remains (questions about his Celtic bona fides notwithstanding) OUR idiot. I believe he was on this blog before I wandered in.
So, to take whiskey seriously, as a thought experiment, perhaps... White women are ruining the world because white men (beta ones) are not sexy. This is the conjecture of our single Maltese friend.
Too grand a theory for me to evaluate holus-bolus, as it were, but I would make an observation - an insight gained independently of Whiskey's influence: The average 50-something, married, fit, family man in my culture pretends these days to be entirely asexual. These proud creatures, having sired a few decades ago, are now ostensibly devoted purely to fishing, golf, food, drink and (if particularly SWPL) social justice or something.
It's a sham. Surely? But it's not superficial. It's deep-crypto sincere, i.e. ooga-booga sub-conscious. But to what end? Whiskey is on to something, but he don't know what it is... (Is that a song?)

Gilbert P


The Anti-Gnostic said...

Feminists bitch that men burned witches in the middle ages, but it seems spinsters, lesbians, sluts, and hags are the biggest witch hunters.

I sometimes wonder if we were burning spinsters, lesbians, sluts and hags.

Where does the archetype of the witch come from? It really does seem bad for women and bad for society if they are atomized and uninvolved with family.

Anonymous said...

Feminism is more rule-obsessed and control-freakish than patriarchy.

Pussitanism.

Anonymous said...

Re: hierarchy. See Moldbug's great post about nobles and commoners.

Anonymous said...

"After Rule No. 3, “Look for ways that you are racist, rather than ways to prove you’re not,” she confesses to her own racial crimes, including being “awkwardly too friendly” toward black people at parties."

No wonder they are so awkward. They always have to be mindful of rules... like the one above.

Don't be awkward and act natural by reminding yourself at every turn not to be awkward and to be natural. But also know that if you're too natural, 'racism' may thoughtlessly slip out without you knowing. Since no matter what you do, you're 'racist' anyway, just admit that you're 'racist' at all times, which will... make you act awkward in front of blacks... and that again proves you're 'racist'...

You must be nice to blacks at all times or else you are a 'racist'. But if you're awkwardly obsessed with this rule, you are 'racist' for trying too hard.

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It's circular logic.

If 'racism' is as ineradicable as the original sin, maybe they should ask if the problem is with race-ism or with repression of it. Maybe race-ism is natural because racial differences do exist and people have eyes and ears to notice things.
But instead, it's an article of faith among these idiots that any race-ist idea or perception among whites is wicked.

In truth, white feminists are awkward among blacks for one or more of the following reasons:

1. They don't have much experience with blacks despite all their 'diversity' mumbo jumbo.

2. They know blacks all too well, and it's not pleasant.

3. There's a huge discrepancy between how we are supposed to perceive blacks and how they really are.

4. Big Sister is always nagging about proper behavior and private thoughts/feelings that all little sisters are supposed to have.

5. The cult of the 'original sin' of slavery that somehow turned blacks into an angelic race though they are more prone to act devilish.

Anonymous said...

The Labrys (double-headed axe) was also the symbol of Vichy France:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coat_of_Arms_of_the_French_State.svg

Fascist-minded folk, like dogs, always return to their own vomit.

Anonymous said...

I wanna see slut fems vs spinster fems.

Anonymous said...

http://sunsetgun.typepad.com/sunsetgun/2014/01/hungry-heart-tyson-truth-toback.html#comments

When bimbo pretends to be intellectual.

Namedropping Wittgenstein and Dostoevsky to yammer about Tyson.

Mr. Anon said...

"But the expectation that feminists should always be ready to berate themselves for even the most minor transgressions—like being too friendly at a party—creates an environment of perpetual psychodrama."

As if this attitude does not prove every stereotype (i.e. truth) that men have known about women for a long time. Apparently, you can take the feminist out of the woman, but you can't take the woman out of the feminist.

Anonymous said...

Ironically, Martha Plimpton looks like she might be a post-op transsexual.

Anonymous said...

Steve,

I know you were looking at this from the WWT angle, but I went back and read the original article to see if the "forum" was really as witless as it sounded. In doing so, I unearthed this nugget: "Others were incensed that a report about online feminism left out women who aren’t online."

What unadulterated claptrap.

Hereward at 8:12 PM hit the nail on the head. This type of nonsense is the result of women who act like girls making up rules that have no meaning or consequence.

Steve from Detroit

Sequester Grundleplith said...

What's funnier than an utter lack of self-awareness? Self-awareness on a forty-year delay.

Also, articles like this suggest that the correct answer to the vexed question of whether contemporary liberalism owes more to dissenting Protestantism or to aspects of the Jewish tradition is: "both". An obsession with extirpating sin plus the neurotic, legalistic parsing of language equals - they said it, not me - perpetual psychodrama.

Anonymous said...

Feminists bitch that men burned witches in the middle ages, but it seems spinsters, lesbians, sluts, and hags are the biggest witch hunters.

Going back to the witch hunts, no doubt men did the dirty work of trying and burning the mostly female accused witches. But how many of the initial denunciations came from women? From what we know of the dark side of female psychology, one might guess that most did.

department 11 said...

I turned the clock back a bit today on a SF bus. I started by berating a 20ish woman for rudeness. A gay guy stepped on the bus and, late to the fray, began playing white knight. When he said he thought I was an ahole, I responded that I suspected he gobbles dicks. Then he hit me with the big one - "homophobic," so I asked him when his 'community' was going to reimburse all us warm-hearted str8s for the tens of billions we footed for AIDS research. There was no comeback. As I remarked I said I hoped he'd invite me to the next Liza retrospective.

Anonymous said...

"Verily I say unto you: the Pain of Slavery is a Mighty River! Yea, it's Banks are wide! It's Depths deep!"

Lord have mercy...

BurplesonAFB said...

"lesbians could go and live in Lesbania, transgendered in, er, Transgender "

Tranistan, surely

Cail Corishev said...

From Monty Python's Life of Brian: Reg; What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies if he can't have babies? Francis: It's symbolic of our fight against oppression! Reg: It's symbolic of his fight with reality.

Just think: 35 years ago, this iconoclastic, leftist bunch of comedians was happily making jokes about crossdressers and transexuals which might get them arrested if they performed the same skit in their hometown today.

It's also kinda funny that as long as you're liberal everything is forgiven and forgotten. No one ever asks Eric Idle if he feels guilty about playing Stan/Loretta for laughs, or demands that the troupe affirm their rejection of those jokes. (That might happen if one of them ran for a conservative party, though.) When there's a change in what's considered thought-crime, as long as you keep moving to stay on the right side, your past offenses are wiped away -- grandfathered in, I guess.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPtPj2Himls

o ho's, o ho's

Anonymous said...

In CARRIE, popular girls drive a loser girl crazy.

Is this the revenge of the nerdettes?

Anonymous said...

Geek girl. Geel.

Svigor said...

White demographic replacement and destruction is nothing less than the eternal war of Whites against other Whites. Whites HATE HATE HATE each other, always have.

To translate from Whiskeyspeak: if whites HATE HATE HATE their fellow whites, then Jews HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE whites. These things are relative, after all.

If the WASPY, non-religious folks on the Coasts could nuke every White person in the flyover states they would do so in a heartbeat and sleep soundly. And there is a lot more of them with a lot more power than Chuck Schumer or dead-end Bloomberg. Who is even less relevant than Mitt Romney at this point.

Everybody's got G**gle now, Whis. The ship has sailed. Jews are 30-40% of the Forbes 400, own the media, etc. Jewish pols vote 100% in lockstep for open borders and demographic annihilation of whites (for whites, the split is 55/45 against). I won't bore with details.

OK, so we have:

I'm pretty sure we have Whiskey hoping no one will mention the prominently-featured Jewish feminist commissar.

My own modest insight

You've taught us that warm Jews will throw everyone under the bus to save the tribe. Your supposed insight is too stupid for anyone who can look up GSS data or the like to take seriously.

Anonymous said...

“There are these Olympian attempts on the part of white feminists to underscore and display their ally-ship in a way that feels gross and dishonest and, yes, patronizing.” - Human beings still irrational status seekers, film at eleven.

Modern Abraham said...

Men without the good company of women become twisted and creepy, trending into the stalker/serial killer-ish if they have active libidos.

Women, without the good company of men become crazy and start obsessively collecting things: Hummel figurines, cats, Somalis. These particular women seem to collect and treasure insults.


“What’s disgusting and disturbing to me is that I see some of the more intellectually dishonest arguments put forth by women of color being legitimized and performed by white feminists, who seem to be in some sort of competition to exhibit how intersectional they are,” says Jezebel founder Holmes, who is black. “There are these Olympian attempts on the part of white feminists to underscore and display their ally-ship in a way that feels gross and dishonest and, yes, patronizing.”


Using a bit of HDB/red-pill transfusion, could it be that black feminists cannot stand white feminists because they act too much like mewling, clingly, straight beta males? Do white feminists need a bit of "game" in their game (I of course understand the benefits of the revolution continuing to eat its own, but that has to be balanced against the nausea-inducing effects of hearing about these sort of cat fights).


One self-described white feminist tweeted at her to explain that no women of color had been at the Barnard meeting “and that I needed to be educated about that”.


Reminds me of Kal Pen's about-face on stop-n-frisk, thanking the goons who had "educated" him into the reversal.

Kal Pen: equally pathetic to white feminists, yet less pathetic than a brony. Bronies still less pathetic than white male rap fans, though.

Anonymous said...

The online feminism is best viewed as a bizarre 21st century religious cult. Its members, like most cultists, are constantly striving to prove their supreme piety, hence their fervor to punish even the slightest hint of blasphemy.

Anonymous said...

"I have come up with this hierarchy of victimology.

I think Steve has mentioned before, they should just give out victim cards with assigned values - this would save a lot of time - whoever had the higher # of victim points would automatically win every argument.

As I understand "intersectionality" it means you are allowed to stack your victim points - you have so many victim points for say being black and so many for being a woman and so many for being a lesbian and as a black woman lesbian you are entitled to aggregate the points from all three categories and have your discourse empowered or something, which means that what you say counts more than anyone else with fewer victim points.

Inscrutoroku Japamoto said...

A vagina is just a surgical construct.

Anonymous said...

In fact, my recollection from reading Ms. Magazine in 1973 was that back then feminism was in part about raising awareness of a different, more often overlooked part of the female anatomy -- rhymes with Dolores.

That, and the raging debate about the difference between Deloral-asms versus Gee-Whiz-Spot-asms.

And whether Gee-Whiz-Spot-asms ever even existed in the first place, or whether they were a myth invented by the evil male patriarchy.

Then to compound matters, Albertosaurus's crowd came roaring onto the scene, and things were never the same again.

Anonymous said...

The online feminism is best viewed as a bizarre 21st century religious cult. Its members, like most cultists, are constantly striving to prove their supreme piety, hence their fervor to punish even the slightest hint of blasphemy.

And my point is that the cult of piety is EXACTLY like Shaker-ism, in that they are making no babies and thereby unbreeding themselves right out of existence.

Anonymous said...

Somewhat related!

http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/it-happened-to-me-there-are-no-black-people-in-my-yoga-classes-and-im-uncomfortable-with-it

Anonymous said...

Kneelings, nothing more than kneelings

Gubbler of the Society of Reformed Chechenistics said...

Feminism in its cannibalist stage.

It's more ridiculous than male politics because, despite all the pussyboy antics of white liberal males, even they can be rough and badass sometimes. It's in the nature of men to give the middle finger, moon the other side, and say 'F--- you'.

In contrast, feminist or female politics is essentially contradictory because femininity is naturally submissive(relatively speaking)whereas feminism is for assertive POWER.

It's contradictory at the very core. Feminism says women must naturally be their true selves.
Well, in truth, most women are naturally feminine and un-macho(and want to serve a greater power).
Feminism seeks to unleash the natural woman as a power in her own right(the ho who runs with wolves) but the natural woman really wants to submit.

Since feminism says MEN ARE BAD, feminist-ized women are not allowed to submit to men. But their unleashed natural feminine instinct still needs to serve someone or something, and the vacuum created by the purging of men has been filled by angry lesbians, nasty Jewesses, black bitchass ho's, and muscled transvestites.

Maybe people who push feminism know this is how it really works but have been shhhh about it.
Maybe lesbians, Jews, and transvestites know that most women need to serve someone or something. It's in their nature to be part of a group, to be liked(as on Oprah show), be higgly giggly and huggy wuggy, and to serve a higher power.
Traditionally, men satisfied this need among women. Stand by your man.

But feminism said oppressive patriarchal men are preventing women from expressing and unleashing their natural selves!!!
So, feminism told women to rebel against men and be a 'natural woman'. But guess what? The natural mode of women is still a need to serve. Since men are gone, 'liberated' women must satisfy their need to serve by becoming the mental and even sexual harems of lesbians, nasty Jewesses, and black bitchass hos.

It's like people are naturally religious. It's like the Dylan song, "Gotta serve somebody". If not God, then an ideology or something.

Women evolved with the need to serve men. Men didn't force them to be this way. Women evolved this way. So, when women are 'liberated' from male 'oppression', they still need to serve a manly type. Since men have been nixed in the feminist community, feminists must serve man-like, aggressive, or pushy feminist bitches: Lesbians, nasty Jewesses, black bitchass hos, or muscled transvestites.
Stand by your Lesbian.

Feminism isn't about independent individual women. It's about Big Sister lording over little sisters.

Though feminism is about the revenge of the loser girls against the popular girls, the politics of humiliation and domination is pretty much the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSwrNHKc-k



Anonymous said...

In DAZED AND CONFUSED, the young boys at least try to resist the hazing, whereas the young girls just consent to it.

Male-female difference.

Anonymous said...

Amnesty.

Dealings, nothing more than dealings.

Luke Lea said...

Susan Lydon, an old girlfriend and pioneering second generation feminist back in the late 60's, wrote noit about vaginas but "The Politics of Orgasm." That was certainly what we were most interested in during our four months together! So I guess these new feminists have come a long way, Baby -- towards babyhood in fact.

Luke Lea said...

Incidentally, one thing feminists had back in thd 1960's was a sense of humor. Remember S.C.U.M.? (The Society to Cut Up Men) If you can laugh at least you are half-way sane.

Anonymous said...

THREE KINGS did something similar with bullion. Instead of pronouncing the "ion" part the way that it should be pronounced (like in million), they pronounced it as though it were spelt bullyawn. It grated on me throughout the film.

Presumably confusing the word for the gold stuff with the word of French origin for broth, bouillon, which is pronounced (by some at any rate) BOO-yawn in English.


The "ion" in "buillion" is indeed pronounced "yun" like in million, or the last three letters in most Armenian names.

Oring said...

I'm gonna laugh my a$$ off when these lefty pseudo-intellectual groups collapse in the near future. They are just getting so far out of orbit from sanity that the center just cannot hold much longer.

My prediction is that they're gonna go down like dominoes- the collapse of 1 or 2 key groups is going to pull away the thinly veiled web over the insanity in the rest, and the whole shebang is going to come crashing down.

Hereward said...

Anonymous 8:59 am:
But how many of the initial denunciations came from women? From what we know of the dark side of female psychology, one might guess that most did.
Cribbed from Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_trials_in_Early_Modern_Europe#cite_note-109

'the theory that witch-hunting equals misogyny is embarrassed by the predominance of women witness against the accused', Purkis, 'The Witch In History', p. 92 (1996); Purkis provides detailed examples, and also demonstrates how some documents have been misread in a manner which attributes accusations or legal prosecution to men, when in fact the action was brought by a woman.

Anti-Democracy Activist said...

I don't care about feminist intersectionality for the same reason that atheists don't care about the doctrinal differences between Anglicans and Presbyterians - if you think the whole thing is bullshit, why would you care about variations in dogma between differing flavors of it?

My reaction to the whole thing is that I'm happier than ever that I'm a Neo-Reactionary, and have no part in this foolishness.

Anonymous said...

I just had to read the claptrap about from the woman uncomfortable with the lack of black women in her yoga class.

Do you think the sistas lament the lack of white girls on their basketball teams?

Anonymous said...

http://www.theonion.com/articles/woman-takes-short-halfhour-break-from-being-femini,35026/?ref=auto

Anonymous said...

Two things women like to do:

Shop.

Criticize other women(mostly out of envy or snobbery).

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Feminists repress these instincts in the name of empowerment and unity, but the repressed feelings just shop for reasons to criticize other women for not being good little sisters.

They are window-shaming than window-shopping. Either way, they have to look and look and hiss and hiss.