May 24, 2014

You'll find this interesting

From The Daily Mail:
A gunman went on a drive-by shooting rampage in a Santa Barbara student enclave and at least seven people were killed, including the attacker, authorities said. 
Investigators believe a 22-year-old named Elliot Rodger driving a black BMW acted alone in the shootings around 9:30pm Friday night in Isla Vista near the University of California, Santa Barbara. 
Rodger is thought to be the son of Peter Rodger, assistant director of the Hollywood film franchise The Hunger Games.  

This whole thing is drenched in popular culture tropes.
Authorities are examining a video posted on social media by the shooter in which he rants about women who supposedly rejected his advances.  
The video is called Elliot Rodger's Retribution. 
Rodger, a Santa Barbara City College Student

So he wasn't at UC Santa Barbara, but was at the junior college at age 22.
and Isla Vista resident, according to his social media accounts unleashed a tirade about his 'loneliness, rejection, and unfulfilled desires,' and blames women for preferring 'obnoxious brutes' to him, 'the supreme gentlemen.' 
'I'm 22 years old and I'm still a virgin. I've never even kissed a girl,' he says in the video. 
'College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure. But in those years I've had to rot in loneliness. It's not fair. You girls have never been attracted to me. I don't know why you girls aren't attracted to me."

Maybe they could kinda tell?
"But I will punish you all for it,' he says in the video, which runs to almost seven minutes. 
He repeatedly promises to 'punish' women and lays out his plan for 'retribution.'
'I'm going to enter the hottest sorority house of UCSB and I will slaughter every single spoilt, stuck-up, blonde s**t that I see inside there."

"Anti-blondism" isn't a word, but it's definitely a live current in our contemporary culture.
"All those girls that I've desired so much, they would've all rejected me and looked down on me as an inferior man if I ever made a sexual advance towards them,' he says. 
'I'll take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you. You will finally see that I am, in truth, the superior one. The true alpha male,' he laughs like a maniacal movie villain. 'Yes... After I have annihilated every single girl in the sorority house I will take to the streets of Isla Vista and slay every single person I see there. All those popular kids who live such lives of hedonistic pleasure...' 
Rodger's Twitter account has only two tweets, posted on April 19 and 20.
'Why are girls sexually attracted to obnoxious, brutish men instead of sophisticated gentlemen such as myself? #girls #perverted #sex #unfair,' reads the first. 
Rodger was a website forum called PUAHate.com, which describes itself as the 'Anti-Pickup-Artist Movement' and aims to reveal 'the scams, deception, and misleading marketing techniques used by dating gurus and the seduction community to deceive men and profit from them.' 
Its members are all men who have spent a lot of time and money on books and seminars and other materials that claim to help men 'pick-up' women - but failed. 
The bitter, often misogynistic threads are full of tales of woe from men who don't know how to get women to date them and blame the women themselves for the problem.  
He posted in 2013, 'If you could release a virus that would kill every single man on Earth, except for yourself because you would have the antidote, would you do it? You will be the only man left, with all the females. You would be able to have your pick of any beautiful woman you want, as well as having dealt vengeance on the men who took them from you. Imagine how satisfying that would be.'

In Taki's Magazine, I wrote in 2012 a column entitled "Monsters of Egotism:"
One possible explanation for the spread of mass shooters is feedback effects. Perhaps the urge to be a star has expanded as the technology grew to accommodate it. In the song “James Dean,” the Eagles sang, “And I know my life would look all right if I could see it on the silver screen.” (More subtly, the true-crime genre of literature didn’t exist until Truman Capote’s famous 1966 book In Cold Blood.) Creeps who have been ignored because there is something wrong with them try to make themselves interesting with a gun.  
Bill James states that after the tawdry media circus of the 1935 trial of the Lindbergh kidnapper, American press barons reached a gentleman’s agreement to improve the tone of their newspapers by mutually forswearing tabloid crime coverage. He argues that this lack of attention paid to crime helped American elites become liberal and unserious about the cost of crime, paving the way for the 1960s rise in crime.  
On the other hand, this cartel against sensationalism may also have discouraged those who might have sought publicity through crime. If your murder spree would only get you below-the-fold coverage, well, maybe it wasn’t worth shooting all those innocent people after all. By the 1960s, though, the rise of live local TV news began to offer new avenues for the sort of fame [Charles] Whitman pioneered. 
The mass killers who become famous seem to generally be monsters of egotism. There are a lot of people with a lot of problems out there, but even shooters very, very rarely randomly kill large numbers in a bid for our attention. 

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fish said...

Couldn't get laid in SoCal as the son of a successful director? While looking sufficiently ethnic to dampen panties but no so much as to be thcary or....ooooh... kiss of death...creepy?

I think I'll wait for a little more info to trickle out before I make a final determination on this one!

countenance said...

To look at him I'd guess gay. That's probably why women wouldn't give him any.

Anonymous said...

Eurasian guy with a fetish for blondes. I am curious about the ethnicity of his asian mother. There are pictures of his father, a hollywood director, but none so far of his mother. I am guessing she is from Singapore or Malaysia, based on his list of foreign countries he has been to.

Anonymous said...

Ironically, if he hadn't offed himself, he would have been pretty much guaranteed a gaggle of female admirers in prison.

My biggest take-away, though, was that newspapers in formerly-great Britain are redacting the word "slut."

Anonymous said...

Horny Games

Anonymous said...

V-tech is back!

candid_observer said...

The video is just weird.

He seems like he's doing a god-awful job of auditioning for a role in a god-awful movie of an evil teenage serial killer.

Who would give him the part? The evil laugh couldn't sound more fake.

that's inappropriate said...

Countenance, are you insane? Did Keanu Reeves look gay in Point Break?
Jeez.

Anonymous said...

Even a guy as ugly as Anthony Weiner managed to get a following on his Twitter with his selfies. Yes, he was US congressman and that likely attracted some idiotic women interested only in power, but I'd be willing to bet that the son of a Hollywood director would be able to get a few women for that reason alone. Is he uglier than, more obnoxious than Weiner? I doubt it.

People who do what this guy did have feelings of being rebuffed by everyone since they were little. I have always figured Weiner was made fun of in elementary school for his name, for his nose, his slight frame, and most importantly, his repulsive personality and by the time puberty sets in, there's trouble.

Of course, I really don't believe the being made fun of is the actual reason for their dysfunction, just a factor in pushing them in the wrong direction. Personality traits they inherited led to their not being able to deal with how they were perceived or how they felt they were perceived.

Old Odd Jobs said...

Just watched his video. I have never seen someone so coldly and calmly express such intense envy and bitterness at others for daring to enjoy things. It's weird. Then he actually went out and delivered "retribution" to random innocent people. Huh.

Wonder why he never got anywhere with the ladies. Could it be his psychopathic personality?

Sam said...

He shoulda forgot about the blondes and got himself an Asian girl. Something is better than nothing.

that's inappropriate said...

Countenance, are you insane? Did Keanu Reeves look gay in Point Break?
Jeez.

Anonymous said...

"He shoulda forgot about the blondes and got himself an Asian girl. Something is better than nothing."

Like the kid in Rushmore.

Or a fat ugly 'white trash' blonde.

I guess he felt as part of the Hollywood inside crowd, so his rejection stung more. Spoiled brat.

BurplesonAFB said...

While looking sufficiently ethnic to dampen panties

Yeah all the bitches love them some 5'6 eurasians bro, you got it pegged.

Mr. Anon said...

"College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure. But in those years I've had to rot in loneliness. It's not fair."

Is this how the college years are viewed by kids today? Have we now adopted a quasi-japanese attitude - that college is a time to blow-off steam and have a little fun before taking on the life of a cubicle-drone?

He should have studied science or engineering, fields where one is not expected to have fun. At least then he would have had an excuse for being alone and miserable all the time.

Anonymous said...

It's always a bad idea to try to read broad societal implications into the actions of one mentally disturbed individual.

Anonymous said...

College is the time when everyone experiences those things such as sex and fun and pleasure. But in those years I've had to rot in loneliness.


The (largely mistaken) belief that other people are doing it like rabbits causes a lot of mental anguish, especially among guys.

Anonymous said...

Why was this idiot aiming for the most beautiful buxom blonde women? He could've settled for an Asian girl.

Anonymous said...

Paradoxically, egalitarianism breeds
supremacism if the society is celebrity-centric.

If egalis preach that all are equal and there are no innate differences UNDER A HUMANISTIC SOCIAL ORDER, most people might accept the basic necessities and humble joys of life.

But if egalis preach that all are equal and there are no innate differences UNDER A CELEBRITISTIC/NARCISSISTIC
SOCIAL ORDER, then everyone will expect to be equally as cool, hip, sexy, and 'popular' as the famous stars and cool kids.

The video is a strange mix of 'leftist' egalitarianism and 'rightist' supremacism.

"I wasn't equally loved and admired, so I hate the world for such inequality
(and failure to deliver the hope/promise of equal happiness for all), and to prove my superior worth over you all, I will kill."

Supregalitarian.

Prof. Woland said...

I commented on this once upon a time but I think the marriage / breeding pattern among Eurasian's will be that the men will invariably be more successful marrying with Asians while the women will have a much easier time marrying into the white population. In fact it will probably be hard for them to marry into the Asian side. What this means is anybody's guess but time will tell.

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

My biggest take-away, though, was that newspapers in formerly-great Britain are redacting the word "slut.""

I noticed that too. So "slut" is now a bad word? It's funny: now it's okay to actually be a slut (e.g. slut-walks, slut-pride movement, etc.), but not to call a woman a slut.

Anonymous said...

Well, he wasn't "actin" in the sense he actually did what he said he was going to do in the video, but it sounded and looked as if he had actually written a script and that he was acting it our, from his laughter, timed to be placed in just the "right" places, to what looked like planned movement of his hand and arm, moving them to his chin, to his glances away from the camera, etc.

It's as if he might have actually been working on a Hollywood script with him in the lead...and that he just decided at some point to junk the idea of a movie and live it out.

Yes, to whoever said he looked gay. Yeah, he has those full lips, women's lips and has the pretty boy look of some gay males. I'm wondering if he got hit on by gay men.

His looks wouldn't keep man women from finding him attractive, but his creepiness sure would.

Steve Sailer said...

Well, they are murdered girls ...

Anonymous said...

"Why was this idiot aiming for the most beautiful buxom blonde women? He could've settled for an Asian girl."

EQUALITY!

Elliot Rodgers is the story of the equality of love(and what happens when one is denied equal access to top pooter).

Equality used to mean equal access to basic necessities.

Now, 'equality' has gone from basic to haute.

If homos gotta have 'gay marriage'(or 'marriage equality') and if trannies gotta have the 'right' to use girls' washroom(and have the right to beat up girls in and out of the ring), then every boy deserves a night out with catherine deneauve.

Damn bimbo bitches were 'racist' in denying him their affection.

Crazy world we live in.

Anonymous said...

So "slut" is now a bad word? It's funny: now it's okay to actually be a slut (e.g. slut-walks, slut-pride movement, etc.), but not to call a woman a slut.

Exactly like a certain "N" word [and the associated behavior which defines the word] that Komment Kontrol would never in a million years allow us to utter here.

Anonymous said...

"He shoulda forgot about the blondes and got himself an Asian girl. Something is better than nothing."

Maybe Asian girls all went for white guys too.

After all, asian women are the story of the bravery of love. Rotfl.

Anonymous said...

Ot:

Good job gents. A very good effort over at Raff's blog.

I must say, however, that arguing over the internet is tiring. Someone should create a starup that contracts out experts to argue on your behalf in comment sections.

Can you imagine a whole building of indians in calcutta engaged in argument in a comment section? That's hilarious.

Anonymous said...

Yes, to whoever said he looked gay. Yeah, he has those full lips, women's lips


Black men all "look gay" by that measure.

In any case you're making the classical male mistake of thinking that women must find attractive in men the same things which men find attractive in men. And they simply don't. Women are attracted to what you would consider rather "feminine" looking guys.

Anonymous said...

Does Wade discuss the boing factor among the races in Troublesome Intercourse?

BurplesonAFB said...

The creepy youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/ElliotRodger/videos

Also some guy making hay out of the guy's awkward nature prior to the shooting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITpJulVb_q4

From 6:50 on

Mr. Anon said...

"Steve Sailer said...

Well, they are murdered girls ...

Yes, I am not saying that the poor murdered girls were such. Obviously, this little turd was deranged. It is just odd that the Mail has decided that this is now a forbidden word. Perhaps soon it will only be referred to as "the S-word".

I agree with your point, Steve, that the news coverage of these crimes is part of the problem. They really ought to be buried more, so as not to encourage the latently homicidal. But it isn't just the news media doing this. The absolute worst was when Obama went to Newtown after the Sandyhook shooting. It gave every deranged wacko in the country the hope that he too could have the power to conjure up a Presidential visit. The liberal anti-gun lobby likes to play up these things, as it gives them ammunition to use for thier cause (or rather, they think it does - actually it has backfired pretty badly for them of late).

BurplesonAFB said...

The creepy youtube channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/ElliotRodger/videos

Also some guy making hay out of the guy's awkward nature prior to the shooting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITpJulVb_q4

From 6:50 on

BurplesonAFB said...

Also Steve there is a point to be made here about winner-take-all in post modern american sexual relations

Anonymous said...

And with the rise of the internet along with social media, would be copy cats of massive shootings can instantly in right now land achieve their goal: Immediate and all consuming attention.

If only this recent shooter had been a transvestite or transgendered person, then the media's who whom narrative would have to kick into overdrive regarding who to directly support, along the lines of 'yes, it is a tragedy, HOWEVER, with a transgendered person feeling a lifetime affect of transgenderism and perhaps some homophobic treatment, therefore in this case, there are only victims.'

At the very least, how come his father couldn't find a place for him in Hollywood, say, working under him as third assistant director or best boy, key grip, or even 2nd assistant foley?

Seems like the dad could've helped him.

And you know what an awesome pickup line that is. "Hi. I'm Elliot, and I'm the 2nd assistant Foley, not to be confused with the fourth assistant Foley. In just a couple of yrs from now, I could be THE asssistant Foley, although I am seriously thinking about moving over to Key Grip one day."

Anonymous said...

haute crime

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/12/11/teen-who-killed-four-while-driving-three-times-over-the-limit-gets-off-because-his-rich-parents-papered-him/

Anonymous said...

He's totally not gay at all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFqn8gTmEQw

Anonymous said...

I wonder how many isteve regulars are like this guy.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...

It's always a bad idea to try to read broad societal implications into the actions of one mentally disturbed individual.

5/24/14, 11:49 AM"

But when a White person does anything like that broad societal implications are the order of the day.

Gordo

candid_observer said...

The police are depicting this guy as being mentally disturbed. It'll be interesting to find out what that claim amounts to.

Anonymous said...

"I wonder how many isteve regulars are like this guy."

Most iSteve regulars are more like the dork in IDIOCRACY.

If you want the nutjobs, go to Radix and Countercurrents.

Florida resident said...

Dear Mr. Sailer:
What was he doing before college ?
To be at 2nd year of college at age 22 ? Quite late, IMHO.
(I do not remember where I read that statement about 2nd year.)
Your F.r.

Silver said...

I wonder how many isteve regulars are like this guy.

You're probably right. Nothing like studly nytimes regulars.

candid_observer said...

One wonders if the killer say the video of the guy criticizing the killer's manliness.

One wonders if the assault to his ego was so great that it may have tipped him over the edge to prove what an "alpha-male" he really was.

Not that I blame the guy who criticized the killer for anything more than tactlessness -- he's not responsible for the behavior of nuts. But I could see how it might have been a proximate cause.

Sean said...

Just be glad he wasn't half Korean, a lot more people would be dead.

Seung Hui Cho: "Oh the happiness I could have had mingling among you hedonists, being counted as one of you, only if you didn’t fuck the living shit out of me"

Anonymous said...

"Well, they are murdered girls ..."

Yes, not saying he IS gay, but that he looks like a guy who came from central casting to play a gay guy.

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

I wonder how many isteve regulars are like this guy."

Don't worry. Just you.

Thomas O. Meehan said...

A point about killing for fame; the idea of committing murder for attention in a culture glued to electronic media makes a kind of perverse sense. That leads me to think about the phenomena of ghetto killers bragging about killing in person to associates and random strangers. It's realy quite common. when I was in law enforcment, I tended to put this down to simple stupidity.

But your point about "Above the fold" fame leads me to think that these thugs seek to get the same notariety via word of mouth, since all the people they know are too illiterate to reach via written media or perhaps even cable news. These people live in a cognitive bubble in which what happens in the ghetto stays in the gthetto. May they long live with this delusion!

Anonymous said...

nyt readers at least the ones always commenting are mainly a bunch of public television channel director types.

Anonymous said...

News is now saying the parents had alerted the Santa Barbara or the campus cops to the video.

Uh oh. Did someone drop the ball?

BurplesonAFB said...

candid_observer said...

One wonders if the killer say the video of the guy criticizing the killer's manliness.


When I ran across the video (4chan has the best coverage of shootings btw), it had about 510 views. It's a possibility that the kid saw it but an outside possibility I'd say

Anonymous said...

Anti-women mass shooters is its own category now.

George Sodini, Marc Lepine, and this guy.

BurplesonAFB said...

Oh shit, scratch that last comment, he was subscribed to ThePlayerSupremeshow

https://www.youtube.com/user/ElliotRodger/channels

Possible last straw here, then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITpJulVb_q4

Anonymous said...

Well, one thing's for sure... people who dislike the "manosphere" are going to have a field day with this.

Anonymous said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFqn8gTmEQw


Okay, just looked at this video of him in the car from an anon.

Yep, gay as all get out.

My guess, as a gay guy knowing he was going to turn mass killer, he was trying to set up hetero men. He wanted everyone to think he was straight (thus, his desire for women) so he films himself saying his script.

Then, he kills the girls, and he assumes the video he made about rejection by women will make everyone think he's straight.

First tip off, his hatred of what he calls "alpha males," by which he really meant "straight males."

Second tip off, this video.

As someone in the comment section said, no straight guy his age would be listening that THAT music and his fem side is really shown off in this video.

candid_observer said...

I looked at another video by the guy who criticized the killer.

He's actually pretty funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Kn98HaZL8

Anonymous said...

My Cleckley Komment didn't get Kontrolled, did it?

Karl Jung said...

Does it keep you up at night worried?

Mr. Anon said...

Interesting - the last Santa Barbara mass-murderer, who deliberately ran over four people with his car, was also the son of a director.

hardly said...

the problem is that in today's liberal sexual market the differences between winners and losers is much more pronounced, and also rubbed inthe face of the losers. In the past overall sluttiness was much lower due to fears of impregnation and limiting of mixing of the sexes, plus people were prudes so they kept their conquests to themselves.

The loser anger is understandable, but often these rejected omegas forget that they themselves do the exact same to a lot of fatties and ugly women. Can't blame hot chicks for rejecting you if you keep rejecting fatties.

The PUA solution need not work for everyone. The other option is to accept reality for what it is, accept you aren't going to be rolling in tail like Charlie Sheen, and see what else you enjoy doing in life. Megalomania and narcissism need to meet an end at some point, and usually that point is when your desires bump up against society's willingness to acquiesce to them.

Anonymous said...

From BBC News: He said the son had Asperger's syndrome, had trouble making friends and had been receiving professional help.

The Anti-Gnostic said...

I wonder how many isteve regulars are like this guy.

Entirely speculative, but from the word patterns, vocabulary, topical knowledge and photo's here and there, I'd say most are typically white, middle-aged, middle-class men in decent shape who are in their first or second marriages.

In other words, few if any.

I don't see a lot of discordant behavior but then, comments are moderated.

It's kind of interesting to see what brings a flock of manic, passive-aggressive anonymouses (i.e., gay, female) buzzing in. I sometimes wonder if a site like ThinkProgress has an iSteve task force.

And way up above the fray, looking down on all of us from his Oakland observatory/home theater, is Pat Boyle. When he's not commenting on iSteve, Pat does Dos Equis commercials.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous:"In any case you're making the classical male mistake of thinking that women must find attractive in men the same things which men find attractive in men. And they simply don't. Women are attracted to what you would consider rather "feminine" looking guys."

Conversely, I've encountered a lot of women who find certain Hollywood stars too pretty for their tastes.

Whiskey said...

Steve, 10 million year old icky Charles Manson is married. The Petersons, Drew and Scott, STILL don't lack for female desire and attention. OJ Simpson still has groupies. Famously, the wife of SF/Fantasy star writer Neil Gaiman wrote a love poem to Djohkar Tsarnaev, whose brother was indeed a brutal murderer along with of course, Djohkar and got some hot college chick to drop out of college, convert to Islam, and work 80 hours a week supporting his unemployed person.

So, no, women don't reject killers, murderers, brutes, sadists, and the like. In fact, if you look empirically at what women DO, they run to them.

BUT ... and here's the BUT. Women want socially DOMINANT killers. They don't want nerdy, high IQ, socially awkward guys. Even if they DO become killers.

The guy lacked the social dynamism that is demanded in our female-oriented society. Thus, he's another Soldini, etc. Lone beta male nerd goes nuts.

What he needed was a rational appreciation of the world as it is. Empiricism. PUA is not a magic wand any more than martial arts study will let you kick Brock Lesnar's ass. But both can if applied diligently and intelligently make a man MORE than what he was.

Nerdy, half-Asian (Asian men are repulsive to women who DEMAND Alpha A-hole frame and particularly, darker, lower IQ, higher testosterone guys)? No he won't be pulling hot blonde sorority sisters. But he could certainly pull some fairly hot brunette arty chicks.

But ... your father is directing HUNGER GAMES. Chick CRACK 101. And you can't play Mr. Casting Couch? Really?

There are a lot of mentally ill people that just don't get committed these days.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how many isteve regulars are like this guy.

Trying to tell us something are you?

Anonymous said...

Here's some gsy monologue (compare w/ his video)

https://www.youtube.com/user/RayHarleyFan

Anonymous said...

A made for whiskey story.
Another son of a director goes on murder rampage in IV. What is going on there?

Such bad publicity for the school.

Anonymous said...

So typical, another sbcc student fouiling up UCSBs reputation.

fish said...

Yeah all the bitches love them some 5'6 eurasians bro, you got it pegged.

Until you mentioned it I had no idea how tall the lad was.....I still maintain that he has that vague "wonder where he's from" look that seems to be all the rage these days......bro.

Whiskey said...

Killing for fame is as old as Herostratus and the Greeks. That is something that has not changed. What has changed is the shuffling off of power to various bloated, incompetent, politic-ridden, bureaucratic government agencies.

Suppose this happened in say, Northfield Minnesota in the 1870's. With repeating rifles and handguns, not a strange supposition.

Now imagine what would have happened to such a man. If he had not shot himself, he'd have been strung up and his body exhibited to anyone who any ideas of copying him. His family would have been persecuted and had to move, change their names, and live in poverty.

Social control, such as it was, lived with ordinary people collectively and spontaneously, not in remote, politic-driven bureaucracies that move like a glacier.

That this guy's father was the Director of Hunger Games astonishes me. Most Hollywood spawn get various jobs with their fathers in the industry, and pull far above their weight otherwise.

My guess, is that the father was estranged/divorced from the guy's mother, did not take an active role in his life, and was not available as a prop to get this kid some sex and a relationship.

Ickiness? That certainly did not stop the phenomena that Steve Sailer termed "Chicks Dig Chechens!" (tm Steve Sailer). Women certainly don't find murder, brutality, even applied to other women a turn-off. Whitey Bulger, John Gotti, and the Petersons Drew and Scott, did not lack for female companionship.

Our female oriented consumer culture puts an absolute premium on social dominance and aggression. At one end, the typical Black rapper or athlete or such; and on the other end the nerdy, physically slight White or (worse) Asian guy.

PUA stuff CAN help guys like this, but they need to get over the "wrongness" of women wanting what they want. Do you blame the Ocean for being wet, and dangerous? Women are what they are, if a guy wants to have sex he better be what they WANT. Not what they say, but their revealed preference.

Is it much harder for a physically slight, Asian/White-Asian guy to succeed with women? Sure. But it can be done. Bruce Lee found it hard to deter people picking on him, its one reason he worked out so brutally (to get the "hooded" back look) which may have led to his stroke. But the good news is that social dominance is less reliant on looks alone (they do play a part certainly) and charisma, performance, status, achievement, fame, etc. can play a part. A significant part.

Look at say, Robert Downey Jr. Physically he's much slighter in build than say, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, or WWE Wrestler Batista. But socially and charisma wise, he owns each guy.

ogunsiron said...

Amanda Marcotte's gonna have a field day with this.

"See, I told you all that those Nice Guys were the worst of the worst!"

Dude sounds like he could have been a contributor to manboobz.com.

Anonymous said...

Fish 5/24/14 1118
yea, can't figure out that either. You'd think that every actresses wanna be would be all over this guy.
Easy pick up line pal: "Come with me to my Hollywood party"
"OK"

There must have been something seriously wrong with this character.

Anonymous said...

So anyone know what ethnicity his mother is? I've heard people say Singapore, Indian, Malaysian but no confirmation yet.

"Just be glad he wasn't half Korean, a lot more people would be dead."
It'd be obnoxious too, since they have the highest rates of marriage to white girls outside of white men.

"I wonder how many isteve regulars are like this guy."
There's a difference between guys being upset and psychotic.

Anonymous said...

This is right in Roissy's wheelhouse.

Hepp said...

They say he's half-Asian, but he doesn't look Mongoloid at all.

I bet he's had plastic surgery. His lips in particular look very artificial.

Anonymous said...

Paging Roissy ! Paging Roissy !

Prince Han of the Southern Isles said...

Why do posters think he's part Asian? I believe I read his mother was originally from Morocco. I think that's more likely based on his physical appearance.

Professor of Mystery said...

White men do not fetishize blondes in the way that appears to have done so in his manifesto.

It's just not done. He's. Lascar Heathcliffe Mixed up Muggleblood.

Gp said...

How man iSteve readers relating to this guy? We've got Whiskey, but he's the fool of this blog.

Watch out for the guys who say he frequented PuaHate and, ergo hates, HATES! pua's. He was downright feminist, ya know! Except PuaHate is nothing of the kind: a place for failed PUAs angry about being swindled out of their money, not angry about the manipulations and objectification of women. So, pickup artists are also BSAs, imagine that.

Anonymous said...


Rodger was a website forum called PUAHate.com


No, Roger was a person.

Maybe Roger posted on a forum, but Roger was not a forum.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Yes, to whoever said he looked gay. Yeah, he has those full lips, women's lips
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Black men all "look gay" by that measure.

In any case you're making the classical male mistake of thinking that women must find attractive in men the same things which men find attractive in men. And they simply don't. Women are attracted to what you would consider rather "feminine" looking guys.
_________________________________

I didn't bother to read your last paragraph before I responded earlier. Sorry. I was in a rush.

Looking back over comments now, I see that I missed that last paragraph.

I'm a woman. Sometimes when I post here, I identify myself as "woman" rather than as just "anon," for precisely the reason we see just occurred--the assumption that an iSteve poster is a male. I usually bother to put "woman" when I realize it might matter to others how a woman sees things. I should have done that here but, as I said, was in a hurry.

FYI, most women past the age of adolescence would not find this guy, or any guy with fem looks dating material. (I stress "most.")

Junior high girls, or those a bit younger, or even some in high school who are not that physically mature themselves often get crushes on males that they perceive to be sexually non-threatening (read "boyish-looking).

A few years later, this guy would no longer look "boyish" to them but fem.

Don't confuse males who are thoughtful or males who aren't Joe Rough and Tumble Football with "fem."

This guy looked fem, sounded fem, and judging from the music he liked, FEM, whether he was gay or not.

Anonymous said...

He doesn't look East Asian.

Anonymous said...

From BBC News: He said the son had Asperger's syndrome, had trouble making friends and had been receiving professional help.
____________________________

How many Aspies can look into a camera like that? Not buying that. I think he was really messed up and gay to boot.

Anonymous said...

"Why do posters think he's part Asian? I believe I read his mother was originally from Morocco."

Because he said his mom was Asian... and called himself Eurasian.

The Moroccan is his step mother.

Anonymous said...

"How man[y] iSteve readers relating to this guy?"

It's immoral to relate to people who've killed individuals who did no harm to them. However, if the guy sounded like Kermit the Frog or Bill Gates, some here, including me, would have felt a subconscious urge to relate to him anyway. Steve covers lots of nerdy topics and is read by lots of nerds.

However, since the guy sounded like a cheap gay caricature instead, he will only be mourned here by the "MMM..., dear boy" guy.

a woman said...

Whiskey said,

" Women want socially DOMINANT killers. They don't want nerdy, high IQ, socially awkward guys. Even if they DO become killers."

________________________

Yes, Whiskey and SOME males would spend their lives with women who'd do it with a dog while they watched and got off on it, get it?
Crazy guys. Got it?

The women who get off on the Scot Petersons of the world and the Mansons and the rest are crazy.

Stop using your forever broad brush. If there's one commenter on here who's revealed himself to know little about the average women, it's you.

George Rodger said...

Malayan mother, super philosemitic father and grandfather.

Hyper liberal background.

Hates blondes and wishes to kill them.

Anonymous said...

And in other news coming out of SoCal, Donald Sterling may agree to sell his NBA team.

And we thought that this was America and that coercion via the free market wasn't likely to occur here on these shores.

ironrailsironweights said...

Why do posters think he's part Asian? I believe I read his mother was originally from Morocco

His stepmother is a French beurette, while his mother apparently was Asian.

Peter

Anonymous said...

He should had got himself a hooker if he was sexually frustrated.

George Rodger said...

This was a racially motivated crime. Actually.

He wanted to slaughter blonde sluts.


That's a Eurasian saying it.

Jonathan Silber said...

If I'm ever required by the authorities to undergo the psychiatric evaluation of a pro, I hope I draw the guy who declared mass murderer Rogers a "wonderful human."

German_Reader said...

What a pathetic loser. Just watched some of his videos, that level of self-pity and narcissism is really disturbing.

Anonymous said...

After skimming his manifesto, 2 things are clear:

1) He is a flaming homosexual.

2) He is the least interesting man in the world. One would think that dullness and narcissism would help to counterbalance each other, but in his case, they appear to have formed a positive feedback loop.

Oswald Spengler said...

Leftist calls on MRA/PUA sites to be labelled hate groups.

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2014/05/feeling-entitled-sex-goes-wrong-usual

How long before we see re-education camps established for “undesirable elements” in this country? Ten years? Twenty?

Reality Check said...

He wanted to slaughter blondes.

He's mixed race. He resents white guys because they pick up blonde girls.

Lorazapam said...

People who think he's gay just don't have much experience around college aged California Asian and Half Asian males. They are mostly very skinny and soft spoken like this.

And if he were gay, he wouldn't be lonely, exotic skinny 22 year old gay guys have no trouble finding love. Weirdo personality doesn't matter for one night hookups either.

Reality Check said...

He hated white people.

It's not complicated.

Oswald Spengler said...

http://www.thenation.com/blog/179989/what-white-privilege-looks-when-youre-poor#

Looks like the hard left is taking a page out of the Stalinist and National Socialists' playbooks.

The enemy is no longer merely the one percenters or just rich whites. Now, all whites are irredeemably guilty pariahs under the cultural marxist worldview.

White privilege is now akin to original sin or the Jewish deicide blood curse, and as such, taints all whites forever, unto the last generation.

Reality Check said...

Eurasian fantasist kills several blondes.

White men are to blame!

Lorazapam said...

Also, for those saying he doesn't look half Asian again aren't around California university towns much. The most "Asian" hapas are usually half Chinese, esp the northern ones with the strong eye folds. Half Japanese often have pale skin, freckles, and in rare cases sandy brown hair and dark green eyes. Half Filipinos sometimes look Hispanic to an inexperienced eye, and half Thais look a bit middle eastern. Thais themselves are mixed Caucasian East Asian, so a half thai will be majority Caucasian.

Reality Check said...

Because he was racist.

This will be ignored in the coverage.

Reality Check said...

A Malaysian.

Dead on.

He's a product of Metisage!

Lorazapam said...

Santa Barbara city college is popular among upper and upper middle white kids who want a party school experience but can't get into UCSB or San Diego State, and aren't quite rich enough to afford a USC type private school.

It is probably the #1 community college in the USA in terms of people moving a long distance to attend. And many of them are indeed attractive blondes. In other words, it isn't that strange that Rodger went to school there despite being from LA.

Anonymous said...

"Just be glad he wasn't half Korean, a lot more people would be dead."

Roftl.

And good thing he wasn't a cute Chechen like Dzokar.

Space Ghost said...

This guy's videos are Poe's Law in action. If you were to watch them without knowing about his murder rampage, you would think they were a really obvious, over the top parody. It's almost like a poorly acted homage to Christian Bale's portrayal of Patrick Bateman, with his extreme narcissism (he called himself "magnificent"!), superficiality, materialism, and self-loathing...and yet, he wasn't acting. .

Anonymous said...

" gay guys have no trouble finding love"

Maybe he hadn't admitted to himself yet that he was gay. But the girls he approached felt it. His tone of voice was extremely gay.

Lorazapam said...

Lawyersgunsmoneyblog comment threads do not have moderation or registration and are very fun to troll. BE SUBTLE AND POLITE when you troll them, it is more effective and amusing.


They hate Yglesias as much as Steve so consider this as a source too. Eg, worker safety rules are bad for third world countries, sweatshops are better than subsistence farming.

Anonymous said...

Still no Cleckley Komment?

Folks on the thread are now picking up on the implied diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder rather than Sociopathic [= Psychopathic] Personality Disorder.

Point Break said...

It would not surprise me to find out that Reeves traded sex with make producers for roles.

Anonymous said...

http://gawker.com/this-afternoon-at-least-one-body-was-removed-from-the-1581174371

Worst memoir ever.

Anonymous said...

Funny how all the people here are trying to pin this as an asian shooting when the shooter is also white and a jewish. Did you guys forget all the white shooters recently?

Anonymous said...

Some of the anti-blondism (with regard to females anyway) seems to be a Gresham's law-like phenomenon: less attractive dyed blondes bringing down the overall blonde quality level. Or, bad 'blondes' driving out good (real) blondes.

Oswald Spengler said...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto

Eliot Rodger's manifesto "My Twisted World."

Apparently, he really hated that NAM guys could convince hot young blondes to sleep with them and he couldn't.

Rob said...

"Mental disturbance" is something that's decided in retrospect, after the guy has killed a load of people. I'm sure there are thousands of creepy guys going around complaining about women not wanting them, many of them even threatening to kill people, and nobody pays much attention to them.

He doesn't look like a guy so unattractive that nobody would sleep with him. Maybe he had bad breath or something?

Anonymous said...

I cannot find a Wikipedia page on Peter Rodger ... there probably will be one now.

Anonymous said...

Actually, most of the victims are male and the father of one of the victims seems unable to realize that the shooter had the means to illegally acquire guns.

Anonymous said...

In the multiculti world blondes will be despised for not giving these kind of guys the attention they think they deserve. White guys will be despised for giving too much attention to Asian and other girls.

In movies and TV shows you have magnificent blondes seeing the errors of their ways and being won over by dark haired, short, wisecracking guys. The way it should be? And then in real life this doesn't happen with quite the frequency. So unfair!

Anonymous said...

These are crimes of social striving.

All the mass murders like this in the past few years are perpetrated by (largely) white or partially white guys.

Looking into their histories a bit, it becomes clear that there is a familiar pattern. Since early youth they have been continually rejected socially. It may be funny looks or ADD or apergers etc. They are usually way above average intelligence and are quite clear in perceiving their continual rejection.

So, what do you do when your body tells you its time to find a mate and your intellect tells you that there is no way in hell this is going to happen? Well a childhood and adolescence of continual rejection will cause anyone to give up on human relationships and crush out any residual empathy towards other human beings.

For these guys, the one meaningful act they can do is to find dignity in rebellion. And mass murder is rebellion in spades. With the influences of video games and movies that glorify and desensitize killing with modern weapons, it is easy to connect the dots an see how mass murders could be conceived and planned.

By the way, as a Canadian, I was was dismayed to see your president being "consoler in chief" after the Sandy Hook incident. What a bad play. Now it will be an additional incentive to go out with a bang and get the president of the USA to magnify your act of rebellion.

Eric said...

Friend, he was 22 and enrolled at a community college. My guess is that science or engineering would have exceeded his grasp.

Anononmous said...

Immigrant mass-murder syndrome?

Non-white kills whites, says:
"blonde s**t"

Will this be added to hate-crime statistics? In 50 years, will there be a movie made about it?

Silver said...

Some of the anti-blondism (with regard to females anyway) seems to be a Gresham's law-like phenomenon: less attractive dyed blondes bringing down the overall blonde quality level. Or, bad 'blondes' driving out good (real) blondes.

Anti-blondism isn't resentment towards blondes for their 'poor quality.' It is resentment because they are perceived as unobtainable.

Dave Pinsen said...

No. It's in his manifesto - the cops came to see him a few weeks ago. http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/225960813#fullscreen

Dave Pinsen said...

No, he also hated Asians, etc. He hated everyone who was having sex.

Dave Pinsen said...

Read his opus. He didn't kill for fame.

star system said...

SB City College is actually the 2nd oldest accredited j.c. in the state--though the oldest is in Fresno, haha

stari_momak said...

" In other words, it isn't that strange that Rodger went to school there despite being from LA."

I actually had a roommate for a quarter who was an SBCC student. A Jewish kid from Hollywood. Living proof that affluence can have corrosive effects even on The Chosen. Had a lot of toys (unusually of IV, we had a garage, and he stored a couple of dirt bikes and a Sunfish sailboat in same (the three UCSB students in the house were typical, in that we just had beater cars which we parked on the street).

Think was, we kind of screwed him over, as he was the only one who signed the lease. We all bailed after the first quarter -- me and my roommate because a place in our old house had opened up, the other guy for a reason I forget.

At any rate it turned out okay--we went back a couple of weeks into Winter quarter to pay him some money we owed, and he had found new SBCC/LA homey roommates. But the funniest thing was, when we walked into the place, there was a literally chest height, half a foot in diameter bong proudly standing in the middle of the the kitchen. I mean, this being UCSB, all manner of bongs -- and beer bongs -- were to be had, but this thing was an order of magnitude bigger than anything we had seen. Upon beholding it, how we laughed and laughed!

Dave Pinsen said...

He bought the guns legally.

Reg Cæsar said...

If he weren't such a weather wuss (like 25 million others in SoCal), he could have come up to Minnesota where the blonds are plentiful, and thus humble, and everyone is a nerd, so no one holds that against you. (Gary Keillor is an insufferable ass, but damn if he doesn't have our number.)

I don't get the obsession with blond chicks. The only reason I see to favor them over their brunet and rufous sisters is that blond children are so much cuter.

I don't think that having kids was the first thing on this guy's mind.

Dave Pinsen said...

This reminds me of Simon Kuper's column a while back about how blonde tamed the wild immigrant soccer star Zlatan Ibrahimović, and how blondes were an assimilating force. What happens when you run out of blondes?

Maybe the shortage of blondes can be remedied via immigration policy.

Anonymous said...

So will this guy be considered white when thy update the statistics of mass killings?

Dave Pinsen said...

I just read about a quarter of the guy's opus, but I don't recall an instance of him actually being rejected. Seems like he considered women not actively hitting on him an instance of rejection.

Anonymous said...

This has to be first Eurasian supremacist I've heard of.

He wrote alot and he mentions race quite a bit. He wrote about a black guy with 4 white girls, a Mexican guy making out with a white blonde, a full Asian with a cute white girl, an Indian guy with white blonde.

He also considered them all inferior. For example, he mentions the black guy was a descendant of slaves while he's high class. The Mexican was dark skinned. The Asian guy was full, while he was half. The Indian guy had a hot girl while only driving a Honda Civic. He clearly wanted white girls and for him to see every other race that he considered inferior to his Eurasian self with a white girl, it drove him crazy.

Anonymous said...

He wanted to slaughter blondes.

He's mixed race. He resents white guys because they pick up blonde girls.


His various social media forum posts have been dug up. He complains about black and Indian men being with white women:

http://www.ryot.org/ucsb-shooter-elliot-rodger-frequently-posted-misogynist-racist-comments-online/697929

"The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) reports that Elliot Rodger, who officers confirmed was the gunman in a violent rampage carried out last night near UCSB, has a long history of posting comments online that show hatred towards women and other races.

Comments were posted on PuaHate.com, a website that’s known for its misogyny and hatred (though it’s supposedly a site where people can criticize “pick-up artists” who charge money for dating advice).

According to the SPLC, Rodger railed against women who dated inter-racially, as well as those who pursued romantic interests with partners he didn’t consider worthy.

Here’s one such disturbing rant:

“Today I drove through the area near my college and saw some things that were extremely rage-inducing.

I passed by this restaurant and I saw this black guy chilling with 4 hot white girls. He didn’t even look good.

Then later on in the day I was shopping at Trader Joe’s and saw an Indian guy with 2 above average White Girls!!!

What rage-inducing sights did you guys see today? Don’t you just hate seeing these things when you go out? It just makes you want to quit life.”"

Anonymous said...

Because he was racist.

This will be ignored in the coverage.


Actually, based on his internet posting trail, he was racist against non-whites. In his forum posts he complains about and disparages non-white men, mainly blacks and Indians apparently, for being around white women. He also complains about and disparages an Asian guy for talking to a white woman.

Anonymous said...

If girls don't like you back, you can:
a) keep talking to more of them, eventually one may like you
b) lower your standards and start talking to fat chicks
c) give up and watch porn

The reality is that the only dating market in which 5'6" half-Asian men will have success is over in Asia.

Shooting some sorority women won't solve anything.

Anonymous said...

I've always thought white guys with Asian women were creepy. Their daughters are excessively promiscuous and their sons come off as socially awkward creeps.

Dr Livingstone said...

However he wished to slaughter blonde sluts.

How many Blonde Subsaharans do you know?

Anonymous said...

It turns out the guy was some sort of white supremacist In his online rants he boasts about how he was superior because he was part white and how he was descended from "British aristocracy". He rants about how blacks and Indians and other non-whites are inferior and how seeing them with white women fills him with rage.

Oswald Spengler said...

When it comes to racism and hate crimes, leftist organizations like the SPLC follow the "one drop rule," but with a twist. If there is a hint of white ancestry to be found, then the offender is summarily deemed "white."

Anonymous said...

I wonder how many isteve regulars are like this guy.

He kinda does sound like an isteve regular:

According to the SPLC, Rodger railed against women who dated inter-racially, as well as those who pursued romantic interests with partners he didn’t consider worthy.

Here’s one such disturbing rant:

“Today I drove through the area near my college and saw some things that were extremely rage-inducing.

I passed by this restaurant and I saw this black guy chilling with 4 hot white girls. He didn’t even look good.

Then later on in the day I was shopping at Trader Joe’s and saw an Indian guy with 2 above average White Girls!!!

What rage-inducing sights did you guys see today? Don’t you just hate seeing these things when you go out? It just makes you want to quit life.”"

Dr Livingstone said...

After the first he quite clearly panicked.

Anonymous said...

Female here...

The remaining blondes in California are a bit smarter than most.

We don't date non-white guys.

Ever.

Anonymous said...

The people at blame for this is his father and mother.

Both people rejected their own race, and thus imparted a deep psychological sickness into their son.

You've been warned.

Prof. Woland said...

I think there is a fire sale for blondes in Ukraine right now.

CJ said...

There is a Daily Mail update here:

'We are in inconceivable pain': Hunger Games assistant director speaks of horror at his son's gun massacre as grandmother says he was 'very disturbed'

Some new information (to me, at least):

His mother is from Malaysia and is named as "Li Chin, 53". This IMO indicates Chinese ancestry rather than Malay.

Elliott was born in London, England. His family moved to California when he was five.

His grandfather was George Rodger, described as an English photographer present at the liberation of Bergen-Belsen. As far as I can gauge, they are of English ethnicity, making Elliott a blend of English and Chinese.

The DM includes an elementary school photo of Elliott with his hair dyed blond. Caption: With his hair dyed blonde, Elliot recalled being the smallest kid in his class at Topanga Elementary School

Verbatim from the story: Mr Rodger added that the family are staunchly against guns, saying he had no idea how his son got hold of a firearm.

Anonymous said...

This kid seems like a fictional character invented by the author of the Roissy blog

Mark Plus said...

And this goes to show why a rational society shouldn't leave its boys' sexual debuts to the haphazard when it becomes clear that they can't figure out how to negotiate and close the deals with girls at developmentally appropriate ages. They should receive some kind of intervention like coaching in dating skills and even working with sexual surrogates if necessary.

For example, you can find sex therapists in Southern California who work with sexual surrogates. I happen to know a therapist like that in Orange County through my connections in the cryonics community. He told me one time that many of his clients come from the Orthodox Jewish community, men who marry well into adulthood without sexual experience who discover that they have trouble functioning sexually with their wives. They rationalize using surrogates as analogous to medical treatment which will help them with their religiously understood sexual obligations in marriage. I can see something similar to help sexually inexperienced men around the age of 20 before the hardcore alienation from womankind can develop.

As for seeing prostitutes, that doesn't really solve the problem. Prostitutes don't teach men an adult skill set for dealing with women competently in relationships. Actually progressives' comfort with prostitution surprises me because I thought they abhorred the cash nexus in human relationships as the major source of alienation in the world.

Anonymous said...

"Actually, based on his internet posting trail, he was racist against non-whites. In his forum posts he complains about and disparages non-white men, mainly blacks and Indians apparently, for being around white women. He also complains about and disparages an Asian guy for talking to a white woman."

Rotfl. He must hate his parents.

Nuttier than HEATHERS.

Anonymous said...

"He wrote alot and he mentions race quite a bit. He wrote about a black guy with 4 white girls, a Mexican guy making out with a white blonde, a full Asian with a cute white girl, an Indian guy with white blonde."

Blondes are sexually popular and many do act like whores.
Also, Jews have convinced blondes that blonde pride is Nazi. So, they try to have mulatto babies. Look at all the blondes who whore themselves out to rappers an black athletes.



Anonymous said...

"People who think he's gay just don't have much experience around college aged California Asian and Half Asian males. They are mostly very skinny and soft spoken like this."

It's more than that. He purposefully looks seductively at the camera and he looks as if he's practiced in that look.

While Asian guys are quitter and more soft-spoken than other ethnic groups, that doesn't come off as gay.

What of his choice of music. Whitney Huston andthe other stuff?

Guys don't listen to that romantic, crying 'bout love stuff, not 22 year old guys unless they're gay.


Silver said...

It turns out the guy was some sort of white supremacist In his online rants he boasts about how he was superior because he was part white and how he was descended from "British aristocracy". He rants about how blacks and Indians and other non-whites are inferior and how seeing them with white women fills him with rage.

I find this particularly amusing in the case of Indians because if you interact with them on blogs that allow free race speech you'll see they're forever attempting to convince whites of the advantages of breeding with them, assuring whites that the resultant mix will be a huge improvement over what whites have now. Then along comes an actual product of such mixing - ie this Eurasian fellow - and he looks down on Indians in the best traditions of white supremacy. Talk about your strategy backfiring, lol. And they can't even tag him with the "racist" charge because he can always say "I'm not white, I'm mixed, I can't be racist." This works because, despite what they may say, most people continue to consider 'pure' whites or 'real' whites the only true racists. At least they're the ones people really fear.

Dan said...

This fellow was clearly a latent homosexual. See what he says about his childhood friend called Matt:

“Again, I repeat, that as children we all play together as equals in a fair environment. Only after the advent of puberty does the true brutality of human nature show its face. Life will become a bitter and unfair struggle for self-worth, all because girls will choose some boys over others. The boys who girls find attractive will live pleasure-filled lives while they dominate the boys who girls deem unworthy. Matt Bordier will go on to live a life of pleasure. Girls will throw themselves at him. And I will go on to be rejected and humiliated by girls. At that moment in time, we were just playing together as children, oblivious to the fact that my future will be dark and his will be bright. Life is such a cruel joke.”

This isn't classic white supremacy it's a muggle who wants to be a white boy.

Dan said...

You stupid twink! He's a product of interracial breeding!

In order to bang a blonde he'd be interbreeding.

The disingenuous trollers here, jeeesuuus.

Dan said...

Technically Zimmerman could have been a black in Ante Bellum times.

Pretty soon we'll be reduced to calling Beyoncé white.

Dan said...

Eurasian does not exist as a category. So I guess so. Race is an illusion!

Anonymous said...

Rodger should have counted his blessings and thought himself lucky that as a priapic 22 year old denied access to women through the Oedipus like structure of modern society, (which despite all precitable howls to the contrary is as strong now as it was 40,000 years ago), that the marvels of modern technology and the skill and hard work of scientists and technologists has delivered the internet up to his gilded generation. Like penicillin, vaccination, automobiles or central heating, it's just another one of this artful breakthroughs that have made life on earth for mortals that bit more agreeable.

Rodger's plea, although selfish and self indulgent is the perpetual plea of frustrated male youth everywhere, from Philip Roth, who was mentioned on iSteve earlier, to more familiarly Beavis and Butthead. What the misguided and angry 22 year old really needed was a fatherly hand clapped on his shoulder and a straighforward pep talk, plus a nice little portable tablet computer together with a Brazzers subscription. Yes, Brazzers and the like, I would have thought, through the miracle of modern science, would have somewhat allieviated the tumescence and frustration of Rodger.

For this reason, I'm one who will never slag off internet porn, a double-edged (pork) sword, if there ever was one. Put it this way, internet porn is merely the universe as 22 year old kids want it to be.

Ed said...

This seems to be a case of Tragic Mulatto with an Asian twist. Human beings like to belong to a group based on shared identity. It doesn't need to be race
based but needs to be based on something. It appears that he didn't fit in with guys, with Whites or Asians or anyone.
His posts on anonymous internet boards were combative. Usually folks like this can find one community to feel like they belonged yet he couldn't even pull that off.

He appears deeply troubled but he functioned and I suspect for his Asian mother it took a long time to acknowledge his mental illness until it was too late.

Anonymous said...

This kid seems like a fictional character invented by the author of the Roissy blog

And yet this kid is NOT invented.

This kid is [or at least was] real, and this kid just murdered seven human beings.

Which ought to suggest to a truly objective observer - an observer who was also cursed by just the tiniest little bit of curiosity about sociological and behavioral matters in the course of human affairs - that maybe, JUST MAYBE, "Roissy" and the greater Manosphere are writing about some very real, very urgent, and frankly cataclysmic phenomena here.

Hell, even Christina Hoff Sommers realized long ago that They-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named were throwing an incessant flood of cultural poisoning at little boys with the goal of destroying their incipient pre-pubescent masculinity.

Because, let's face it, pace Joan of Arc, women will never lead The Rebellion to overthrow the established order.

Anonymous said...

I think there is a fire sale for blondes in Ukraine right now.

The "Russian" [cough cough cough] Mafia is* huge on bringing Eastern European girls over to So Cal and Las Vegas [cough cough cough] to work in the, ah, "hospitality"** bidness.





*Is, and, in retrospect, probably always was.

**I.e. prostitution and pornography.

Anonymous said...

I guess it's safe for me to assume that Cleckley got Kontrolled?

Richard Brown said...

We need to talk about Kevin.

Reg Cæsar said...

How come Lothrop Stoddard, Madison Grant, Carleton Coon and John Baker could spell the English word "blond", but nobody at iSteve can?

Difference Maker said...

Those blondes in the media are nothing special. And I have also been seen in public with four girls at a time now and then ;)

Anonymous said...

That this guy's father was the Director of Hunger Games astonishes me.

Whiskey -

His father was an assistant director, and not even the first assistant director. I've read that most of his work has been commercials.

Rohan Swee said...

Reg Cæsar: How come Lothrop Stoddard, Madison Grant, Carleton Coon and John Baker could spell the English word "blond", but nobody at iSteve can?

"Blonde" is pretty standard usage when referring to females. I'd cavil at "blonde men", though.

Anonymous said...

Having read his Dostoyevskian manifesto what stands out the most is his extreme sexual/social frustration, his insane jealousy of sexually active and popular youngsters, and his pathological hatred/vengefulness towards those who he imagined saw him as a creepy loser.

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

Yep, gay as all get out.

My guess, as a gay guy knowing he was going to turn mass killer, he was trying to set up hetero men. He wanted everyone to think he was straight (thus, his desire for women) so he films himself saying his script.

Then, he kills the girls, and he assumes the video he made about rejection by women will make everyone think he's straight."

An interesting theory. His rampage started when he stabbed three men to death in his apartment complex. The fact that he stabbed them - a messier and more personal form of attack - might indicate greater emotional involvement. That's what a police profiler would say (although cops subscribe to lots of silly notions, so who can say).

One thing that should be noted (but won't be) by the liberal law-and-order crowd who will attempt to hijack this story for their own ends: He killed more men than women, and nearly half his victims were killed with a knife, not a gun. The last rampage killer in Isla Vista - just a few years ago (and, curiously, also the son of a director) - murdered his victims with an automobile.

Anonymous said...

"Which ought to suggest to a truly objective observer - an observer who was also cursed by just the tiniest little bit of curiosity about sociological and behavioral matters in the course of human affairs - that maybe, JUST MAYBE, "Roissy" and the greater Manosphere are writing about some very real, very urgent, and frankly cataclysmic phenomena here."

The phenomena you're referring to is called progress, kind of like specialization of trades and the invention of antibiotics.

Basically, in the most civilized layer of our society, the most pathetic, least worthy specimen are no longer easily able to mate with healthy people, and it's becoming more and more rare that high value spouses and innocent children find themselves at the mercy of these useless, dangerous creatures. This kid wouldn't be cured by a love of a good woman. He'd just screw it up. Genuinely kind, compassionate, self-aware people who are capable of self improvement don't turn into senseless killers. Claiming that THEY caused you grief, THEY turned you into a bad person and now THEY have to pay is a sure sign of a B cluster personality disorder. Such people can't maintain relationships. They poison all human interaction around themselves.

Thank god people like Roissy are now reduced to spewing bile in form of bitter fantasies for other men with borderline personality disorders to gobble up. In a less evolved layer of society, some poor woman would have no choice but endure his insecurity fueled rages and birth him some kids to abuse and fail in every way.

Yes, some of these rejects find more harmful ways to attention whore than writing ridiculous revenge fantasies on the internet, and we need to figure out ways to weed them out earlier and to isolate them more effectively. However, overall, sad creeps who are psychotic enough to take it to this level are few. And people who are spared the absolutely thankless task of dealing with a borderline personality disorder in a spouse or a parent are many.
Halleluja!

Ray Sawhill said...

It seems a little weird, or at least unusual, that although he was a student at SBCC (which is in downtown SB) he was living out in Isla Vista, a made-up town entirely devoted to UCSB about ten miles along the coast from SB. Was it part of his attempt to get into the panties of UCSB girls? Yet why would routine UCSB girls be expected to dig a City College student? Nutjob alert.

Anonymous said...

"Rodger's plea, although selfish and self indulgent is the perpetual plea of frustrated male youth everywhere...
... Put it this way, internet porn is merely the universe as 22 year old kids want it to be."

Look, dude,
In theory, I agree with you. Nothing's wrong with porn (we seem to run into problems with it only when people watching it are too stupid to separate fantasy from reality, but these people would find a way to be delusional about something else. Not porn's fault.).
And a firm fatherly hand along with an instructive fatherly talk is great for any young person, regardless of gender.

But it wouldn't help this kid. You empathize with him because you remember yourself as an assholish, self indulgent, entitled teen, and we've all been there. But this kid was different than you were. He lacked the positive aspects that would balance out the muck of frustrated adolescence. For starters, isn't it obvious that he neither loved nor respected his parents? Look what he did to them!
In short, sometimes, sickos happen. In a large population, we'll see them on the news quite often. Not much can be done about that.

Lucius Somesuch said...

No offense to the dead, but the Blonde Examining Bullet Hole at the linked Daily Mail article looks more like a specimen from the Uffizi than do any of the victims pictured there.

There's something coldly radiant about her shaded profile--a proud Athena untouched by the polluted hoi polloi's pointless mayhem. It's a striking image: a Hitchcock blonde, inviolate and unimpressed, his torment from Hell now mocking him for eternity.

The shooter reminds me of the (awfully performed) villain in "Die Another Day", an unwatchably bad film. A sort of parody-awful version of the archetypal epicene villain--and, as it happens, a mongrel of weird sorts too.

OT: is Versailles a casino now? The Kanye/Kim wedding is an even greater desecration than Sofia Coppola's movie.

Sam said...

This guy was as gay as the birds.

Maybe going out in a blaze of glory would, in his mind, masculinize him forever?

Anonymous said...

He probably looked better than your ugly white plain jane face. I bet you are the average ugly white guy the girls are dying to get with.

Anonymous said...

I bet you are the typical unattractive 90 percent of America white guy who thinks they are attractive. Bro is the most white boy used up term by
the corny way. I am part asian part white. body build, dress well and have had one.after th othe very attractive white girls. White girls are no big deal. Whyhe went crazy over a typical white girl makes no sense at all.

jody said...

just last week me and my chinese friend from LA were talking about this thread at bodybuilding.com where a eurasian guy creates an 8 page cluster F by lamenting about this very topic.

"Brazzers"

the problem with brazzers is there are zero asian males, but lots of asian and half asian females. so how would that make him feel any better? i have talked to a lot of asian guys about this. you cannot escape porn now when you go on the internet, and when you do go looking for it, it's always some other guys with the asian women and how are you supposed to react when that is the match up 100% of the time?

your only other option is japanese porn and if you don't like that, you are out of luck. then it's either no porn, or porn where the other guys are with your women 100% of the time. and you already have to see that in day to day life so it's like piling on. i'm surprised more asian guys don't go crazy. maybe they get used to it, but this guy didn't.

Anonymous said...

"I am part asian part white. body build, dress well and have had one.after th othe very attractive white girls."

Yes, fantasy is fun. Rotfl.

Anonymous said...

"There's something coldly radiant about her shaded profile--a proud Athena untouched by the polluted hoi polloi's pointless mayhem. It's a striking image: a Hitchcock blonde, inviolate and unimpressed, his torment from Hell now mocking him for eternity."

Watching too many movies, no?

James K said...

A rich kid with a BMW, invitations to movie premieres, and Hollywood connections, couldn't find a blond girl in Southern California who would have sex with him.

Clearly it is hard to learn general lessons from someone who is a one-in-ten-million sociopath.

However, the thing that bugs me the most is that he was in and out of therapy for nine years. Surely it would not have been too hard for his therapists to have helped him towards his goal. Even starting with a sexual surrogate, as someone else suggested above.

Anonymous said...

"Wonder why he never got anywhere with the ladies. Could it be his psychopathic personality?"

Yeah because women TOTALLY dislike psychopaths. /sarcasm

Anonymous said...

I'm on board with the idea that his best option was paying for sex.

The GFE (girl friend experience) is a popular marketing technique of higher end call girls.

Where is Heidi Fliess when you need her?

Or a trip to Thailand.

Anonymous said...

The white homicide rate with firearms is 1.9 (prob really lower than that) according to the DOJ, while it is 14.6 per 100k for blacks.

Anonymous said...

Good idea on subtle trolling of that site. They seem to have a ton of hyper sensitive and emotional feminists and Marxist types that are way too easy to get worked up.

Anonymous said...

Yet another mass shooter who passed the vaunted BG check system that is supposed to save us all from nut jobs! He also had low capacity mags and made up for it by using three guns and multiple mags.

Peter Akuleyev said...

"This has to be first Eurasian supremacist I've heard of."

It is actually very common, it is called "Russian nationalism."

Anonymous said...

He reminds me of some sort of figure from the Nolan brothers batman movies who would encounter batman. Interesting theories about him being gay, but SoCal males in general always come across as effeminate to me.

For my money, he could possibly be gay, but he is 100 percent certainly a psychopath. There was nothing behind his eyes. Nothing! He came across as very intelligent, but the lack of emotion and empathy even while speaking and using an obvious practiced fake laugh remind me of dealing with a full blown sociopath/psychopath.

The true psychopaths know how to lie and bs everyone, including the psychologists and cops bc he was probably smarter than them and knew how to tell them what they wanted to hear. If he answered honestly, I have no doubt he would test 100 percent as a sociopath on the scale.

He very well could be a gay sociopath, but I am sure he is a sociopath.

Anonymous said...

HE WAS NOT A PSYCHOPATH!!!

Cleckley was very clear on this:

Chapter 19, Stanley

Psychopaths are masters of not only reading another person's emotions, but of manipulating those emotions as well.

If this boy had been endowed with psychopathy - to go with his good looks and his wealth and his Hollywood connections - then he could have fornicated with every female in Santa Barbara [to include even the dykes, like Oprah herself].

But everything we know about this boy indicates that he had ZERO ability to read [much less to manipulate] any young woman's emotions.

Whatever he was [Asperger's, NPD = Narcissistic Personality Disorder, molested child / latent sodomite, dyslexic / mildly retarded, badly drug addicted, whatever], it was the polar opposite of psychopathy.

PS: Psychopaths are evil because THEY DON'T CARE.

They don't suffer from guilty consciences.

Psychopaths read peoples' emotions, manipulate those emotions, use the manipulations for their own benefit, and then discard their victims just as soon as those victims cease to provide any further benefit to the psychopaths.

Psychopaths use other human beings as MEANS TO AN END, and they never lose any sleep over the thought of doing so.

Because they aren't tortured by a conscience.

Anonymous said...

I've just realised who he really reminds me of in his videos.....

Tom Cruise.

Anonymous said...

What does Malaysian mean ?
Chinese, Malay, Indian, Eurasian , some combo ?
No one is a non adjectival Malaysian

Anonymous said...

Hollywood dream inside an American nightmare. His guns were cute.

Beaver Patrol said...

He killed his roommates. The people who knew his best. They were renting in an area far from the school that they attended. This was a Man-ga pad for Chinese boys hunting down YT girls.

Then stepped out for the whites.

Beaver Patrol said...

Yes this was an attempt by by nerds (Chinese and Eurasian nerds) to get near to white chicks.

Beaver Patrol said...

The Scaramanga.

Beaver Patrol said...

Sociopaths are generally charmers.

Beaver Patrol said...

Knife attacks are stereotypical Asian. Mass stabbings in China are par for the course.

Anonymous said...

"The remaining blondes in California are a bit smarter than most.

We don't date non-white guys."

Bull. I was in SoCal just three months ago and I saw a few instances of black-blonde miscegenation going on. And the blondes weren't fat fuglies either.

Anonymous said...

Malaysians come from Malaysia some are Malays and Some are Chinese.

Anonymous said...

> "Sociopaths are generally charmers."

EXACTLY.

Cleckley was very clear on that.

Psychopaths manipulate the hell out of their unsuspecting victims.

What psychopaths lack is any guilty conscience which would warn them not to do what they are doing.

And because this boy in Santa Barbara lacked any ability to read a woman's emotions [much less to manipulate woman's emotions], he necessarily was NOT a psychopath.

In fact, to the extent that he couldn't read a woman's emotions at all, he was [in that regard] the polar opposite of a psychopath.

Anonymous said...

5 males dead (including the killer).

2 females dead.

Ipso Facto- Misogynist.

All you need to know.

Jefferson said...

"The white homicide rate with firearms is 1.9 (prob really lower than that) according to the DOJ, while it is 14.6 per 100k for blacks."

You could add every Nonblack race on the planet into the definition of "White" like Amerindians, Mestizos, Arabs, Asians, Pacific Islanders, etc and the White homicide rate when it comes to perpetrators would still be lower than the Black homicide rate.

White folks ain't got nothing on Black folks when it comes to thug life.

We White folks ain't no nowhere near as gangsta as Black folks. Black folks got way more street creed than White folks.

Anonymous said...

The three room-mates he stabbed to death were all Chinese. Make of that what you will.

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