February 3, 2009

Illegal immigrant illegally admitted to UCLA

UCLA gets the most freshman admission applications of any college in the country. And, the California state constitution, as amended by Proposition 209, makes it illegal for UCLA to use racial preferences in admissions. But the law doesn't stop the diversicrats. From the LA Times, a profile of a freshman student:

[Karina] De La Cruz faces fairy tale odds. She's an illegal immigrant, so she isn't eligible for most forms of state and federal financial aid. The University of California system, by policy, does not require applicants to disclose their citizenship status: Officials say their goal is to find the best students, not to enforce immigration law. UCLA officials say they aren't even sure how many undocumented students are on their campus.

The 18-year-old De La Cruz graduated barely in the top 20% of her San Pedro High class and is competing against students with much higher GPAs and test scores. She probably doesn't have enough money to finish her first year of classes.

She has almost no safety net: She doesn't know her father, and her mother, who lives across the street, didn't get up to wish her good luck. She met a few people during orientation but doesn't have anyone she would consider a friend.

UCLA officials acknowledge that some freshmen are admitted for reasons other than their grades and test scores, that some students come from dramatically different backgrounds than many of their peers but show academic promise. They say there are programs on campus to help these students But De La Cruz isn't aware of them. ...

Presumably, they liked her essay about how deprived she is. Remember, UCLA is the school that, because they aren't allowed to use race in admissions, switched over to "comprehensive admissions," including an essay. They announced that they would give extra points to students who had been shot (although getting shot in a hunting accident likely wouldn't get you any brownie points).

San Diego State University was her dream school; she applied to six others, mostly UC and Cal State campuses. She never thought she'd get into UCLA, especially after San Diego State rejected her in February.

The average UCLA freshman boasted a 4.22 GPA in 10th and 11th grades, according to the most recent data posted by the school, and De La Cruz had a 3.365 at San Pedro High when she applied. She got a 21 out of a possible 36 on the ACT college admissions exam, ranking her in the 48th percentile in California. She scored 380 out of a possible 800 on an SAT subject test, putting her in the third percentile nationwide.

But on March 8, De La Cruz opened an e-mail from UCLA, and a congratulatory banner popped up. She screamed and asked a friend to look.

But then the 5 hours of commuting each day begins, along with her realization that she can't compete with the Asians in her Life Sciences class.

What's particularly stupid about UCLA admitting her as a freshman is that UCLA takes in 3000 to 4000 transfer students each year, typically community college graduates with an associate's degree. The community college grads often replace kids with higher scores who flunked out of UCLA's difficult first two years, and wind up getting a valuable UCLA degree instead. But, in their hunt for diversity, UCLA is likely going to turn her into academic roadkill, and then replace her with a JuCo transfer!

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54 comments:

Anonymous said...

"She got a 21 out of a possible 36 on the ACT college admissions exam"

Isn't that like a 104 IQ?

Black Sea said...

Her ACT score is slightly below average for California students, her SAT subject score is at the very bottom of the national barrel, and she's admitted into one of the top public universities in the state?

If she graduates (a huge if) she'll get out with a joke degree that demand nothing in the way of ability and offers nothing in the way of marketable knowledge, and she'll be deeply in debt. More likely, she'll burn through various student loans, accumulate debt she can't pay back, fail various core courses, some more than once, and drop out, just ahead of being kicked out.

In debt, doubting her abilities, and frustrated with educational obstacles she can't overcome, she'll probably give up on further education, whereas, if she were admitted to a program commensurate with her abilities, she would have a good chance of graduating with a credible degree.

Nobody here is doing her any favors, and there won't be any fairy tale ending. The administrators of UCLA really couldn't care less what happens to her. She's fodder for the system.

Anonymous said...

UCLA is likely going to turn her into academic roadkill, and then replace her with a JuCo transfer!

Nah. She'll major in Spanish and "Education" and graduate with a C average. Then she'll become a teacher in our public schools. I've seen it happen numerous times at UC Berkeley.

Anonymous said...

A sibling of mine used to be related, through marriage, to a well-known Hispanic activist lawyer in L.A. I found out through my sibling that UC admissions string-pulling by Hispanics who work within UC or otherwise for the state goes on all the time. This lawyer ahole got his sub-mediocre student son into UCLA in the early 2000s when he would otherwise have been just barely eligible for a Cal State school - despite his having gone to top 5% public secondary schools. He ended up taking about six years to get his degree. Last I heard, he's on his way to becoming either a Hispanic activist lawyer or politician.

Carlo Mercado said...

After decades of bigoted admittance policies were finally brought to an end, and the Old Order overthrown, the University of California system began producing the most outstanding intellectual elite in the country. The improvement statewide is there for all to see.

The natural intelligence and superior cultural training of California's New Elite guarantees a golden future for the Golden State. The stage is set for a permanent advance into a glorious and limitless future.

Anonymous said...

A very disturbing story. I hope the young woman succeeds, but it doesn't look promising. She'd probably be better off transferring to some place closer and cheaper and less competitive. Maybe Cal State Long Beach.

Peter

Concerned said...

Steve,

This is terrible but you frustrate me. You concentrate on one anomalous case, while things like this:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090201/ap_on_bi_ge/bailout_foreign_workers

Should turn your face beet red.

The fact is that the ruling class is out to get us. Us meaning you and me, the middle class that built this country.

Stop focusing on Hispanic people. They are an easy target. But they are not the REAL problem. The real problem are the shits who import them.

I bet that the majority of these cheap labor professionals are Asian. When will I see your righteous rage vented on them?

rightsaidfred said...

She scored 380 out of a possible 800 on an SAT subject test, putting her in the third percentile nationwide.

???!!!

Mark said...

Remember, UCLA is the school that, because they aren't allowed to use race in admissions, switched over to "comprehensive admissions," including an essay.

As I mentioned on the CRA topic, this is the equivalent of a few of cops getting together after they pull you over to decide what the speed limit is, and then charging you (or not) with breaking that limit. Society would never tolerate such an act, and yet we tolerate perfectly the admissions officers of public colleges getting to consider "the whole person."

Liberals no longer like the idea of permanent, fixed rules. When they're running the show they like the idea of considering "the whole person" or "the whole bank." That gives them lots of room to discriminate in favor of the most liberal people/organizations possible.

Dutch Boy said...

My extensive (although dated) experience with the higher education system in California leads me to believe that the JC system is the cheapest and easiest way to navigate the system. The course work is comparable to what you find in the state university and UC systems (N.B.: the JC I went to was 95% white, which shows you how long ago it was!). The students are not as bright as the UC kids but you get a real professor (no TAs) who can speak English and all the units are transferable.

Scott said...

Berkeley is a couple ticks higher than UCLA.

Anonymous said...

"I bet that the majority of these cheap labor professionals are Asian. When will I see your righteous rage vented on them?"

Possibly, but unlikely from a simple numbers viewpoint. CA's agri-business alone is too large and vast for Asians to help win your bet.

If Asian' significantly took over that businesss you might have a winning bet. But then you'd have to
take a look at moving companies, bus and taxi companies, house and gardening operations, retail outlets, domestic service, security businesses.

Steve rightly points out that the Mexican elite is corrupt. All Americans are "consumers" of the corruption.

But if Steve can shed some light on the issue, I'd certainly like to see it, speaking as a Korean.

testing99 said...

On the flip side, the organization (charity) that I am involved with takes students who are below the poverty line (school lunch program) who have 3.5 GPA plus, and gives financial aid and scholar tutoring in Math and Science.

It is a two-year program, with teaching and internships not just in Math and Science (industry internships and speakers on say, DNA analysis or civil engineering) but teaching on manners, writing, college applications, study habits, etc.

The track record of these kids are very good, all get accepted into College, and significant numbers go to Cal Tech, MIT, Stanford, Georgia Tech, etc. and major in stuff like Electrical Engineering, molecular biology, and the like. No Whites, since it's limited to Santa Ana at the moment, but there is a caveat.

We take the top 1% of the students in Santa Ana Unified. We are talking about 20 out of roughly 10,000 students (limited to Juniors and Seniors) who have an interest in Math and Science.

The kids generally do not do well on SATs, do well on the AP exams (mostly 5-4), and do well (we track) in College. Drop-out rate is near zero, they all take technical majors, no humanities junk. Somewhat anecdotal, Colleges now are requiring ACTs more and more as the SAT becomes a test of test-taking ability (and the scratch to study for test-taking skills) rather than a knowledge assessment. We will be tracking their ACT scores of course.

We track all this stuff because we apply for grants, we have a good track record. Caveat as noted: we take the best of the best. We are not dealing with "average" kids in this demographic slice, rather the best of the best.

TiberiusClaudius said...

Don't forget, for example, Fewer Black Lawyers B/C of AA (andd note where the author of the study, Richard Sander, was at the time...)

non de guerre said...

Why this obsession with "degrees" anyway in our society? Does anyone really believe we have any shortage of sheepskin recipients in this country nowadays? And most of the spoiled middle-class brats that populate our universities these days only bother earning a degree because they believe they will then be entitled to nice, cushy, high-paying jobs for the rest of their lives.

I seem to recall from my readings about the LAST Great Depression that college graduates were as likely as anyone else to be unemployed. Lets see where their precious UCLA Bachelor of Arts degrees get them when the economy completely goes off a cliff...

Michael said...

Well, it's not her fault ...

The sad thing is that the schools that take in these kids aren't doing them any favors. The kids struggle and, whether they drop out or make it through, grow resentful. They don't get much of an education either, since what they really need is the basics, and fancy schools don't bother much with the basics these days. And then they wind up in jobs they aren't really up to either ... And they can sense people around them not respecting them ... An unhappy situation all around. These kids would be faaaaaarrrrrr better off at schools where they'd work hard and do well. They'd be happy and (rightly) proud of how they've done, and they'd go into the world with a few useful skills.

Ignoring the whole thing about her being illegal in the first place, of course ...

wongba said...

concerned said: "The real problem are the shits who import them."

u should be grateful they didn't just move those jobs to india/china. they at least made an attempt to keep the jobs here in the US.

concerned also said: "I bet that the majority of these cheap labor professionals are Asian."

dude, didn't u know a significant amount of i-banking is done by asian americans, so really what was happening was that the i-banks were lowering their costs. the demographics prolly didn't change much.

Anonymous said...

Daschle just bowed out of his nomination because of unpaid taxes. Drudge is going wild with the CIRCUS headlines.

This must be the most corrupt administration out of the gate in the history of the country. How many more Obama nominations are going to be tainted?

WTF? This kind of news day makes me think no one is in control. It's all a wild scramble for power.

Anonymous said...

I go to UC Berkeley. It happens here, too.

I would guess that most Cal students, whose parents have paid the taxes that partly finance the UC, support the idea of illegal immigrants attending the university.

Some school brochure boasts that 65% of Cal students have at least one first-generation parent. Many students struggle to speak English. For many more who speak it well, it is their second language.

I note these facts not because they're new to Californians (or to isteve readers, many of whom live here), but because they may come as a surprise to those unfamilar with the Golden State, which provides so much grist for Sailer's mill. Fundamentally, isteve is a blog about California.

RobertHume said...

testing99,

Anyone doing a program like that in West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee where there are lots of high IQ whites who don't graduate from high school? I thought not. So they go to Iraq.

eh said...

It would be interesting to see a court challenge of this or a similar case. The UCLA people would probably say they have developed admissions criteria to admit students from across the socio-economic spectrum, including students who meet minimum admissions standards (schools have significant cover here, IMO) and judged deserving but (socio-economically) 'disadvantaged'. If the application of these criteria/policies disproportionately benefits one race/ethnicity more than another, then this is incidental/a side-effect, i.e. it does not indicate a specific design or intent to benefit one race/ethnicity over another, and so does not violate 209. After all, few people would argue that among applicants that meet a minimum standard -- which I assume this student did -- that a university, including a public university, should not be able to use discretion in who it does and does not admit.

SKT said...

A UCLA degree is valuable? I thought UCLA was one of those joke schools/jock schools where rich kids hang out by the pool all day and cruise around in their parents Mercedes cars for chicks, as preparation for their VJ job on MTV.

Of course I'm a snobby Ivy Leaguer.

Brown Ram said...

To the guy or lady who linked to the yahoo article on foreign labor:

I don't think that Steve or any of the vDare folks really care whether educated immigrants come to the US. Their concern is that uneducated (and uneducatable) foreigners come to the U.S.

I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong, but I always understood Steve to be for certain types of immigration--i.e. the type that doesn't turn the U.S. into a third-world nation. Accordingly, I think that most of the vDare crowd would not consider those white collar workers who come in to the U.S. and take professional jobs to be all that bad--they're hard-working, quiet, and are ready to assimilate.

Anonymous said...

When I was eight years old this kid stabbed me in the hand with his pencil. Could that have gotten me into UCLA?

Peter

eh said...

Disparate Impact

Thinking further -- always advisable -- it seems the concept of 'disparate impact' could be relevant/used against UC in cases like this, even though it is usually invoked in matters of employment. Because obviously high-achieving Whites or Asians probably benefit a lot less from such fuzzy admissions policies. That is, schools like UCLA do not have full discretion in whom they do and do not admit; instead they must be very careful to make sure their criteria, as applied, do not have a disparate (negative) impact on one race/ethnicity or another. In this sense, they (the 'liberals' responsible for the fuzziness) might be hoisted by their own petard.

Anonymous said...

"Remember, UCLA is the school that, because they aren't allowed to use race in admissions, switched over to "comprehensive admissions," including an essay."

I have a daughter at UC Santa Cruz who says it is common knowledge among the students that you put in race identifying information (unless you're white of course) in the admissions essay to get around the anti-AA rule.

Steve Sailer said...

One theory is that Obama's "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance" is so race-obsessed because it started out as an admissions essay intended to make clear that he wasn't Japanese. "Obama" is a Japanese surname and Barack is from Hawaii. He almost missed out on his community organizing job because the guy who got his resume asked his Japanese wife if he sounded Japanese to her and she said "Yes."

Anonymous said...

"u should be grateful they didn't just move those jobs to india/china. they at least made an attempt to keep the jobs here in the US."

Exactly. They could have packed up their lawn and shrubbery and offshored the whole maintenance operation. Restaurants could have transmitted their dirty dishes to Bangalor for immediate scrubbing.

Next month I'm getting my car washed in Shanghi.

Anonymous said...

I have a daughter at UC Santa Cruz who says it is common knowledge among the students that you put in race identifying information (unless you're white of course) in the admissions essay to get around the anti-AA rule.

Latino students at Berkeley have told me that that's exactly what they did to get in. One student said (in class) that she made sure to work in a reference to her Quinceanera so that the admissions committee would know that she's Mexican, in case it wasn't obvious from her name. She said that this was a trick well known to all NAM applicants.

Anonymous said...

"I don't think that Steve or any of the vDare folks really care whether educated immigrants come to the US. Their concern is that uneducated (and uneducatable) foreigners come to the U.S.

I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong"

Though high-skilled immigrants usually don’t contribute to the sort of overt social dysfunction as low-skilled immigrants, the underlying questions of identity and stratification are just as pertinent. Looking at things from a bit higher vantage than “smart as a whip, hard-workin’ and good at math!” anecdotes, what you’re advocating is tantamount to willfully importing a racially mixed overclass. This new class will, given time, diverge significantly from the native ethnic make-up of the United States and cause a breakdown in the northern European solidarity, mutual trust, social mobility and naivety that made this country a pretty nice place, lacking in the kind of deep divisions that characterize much of the rest of the world.

Not only that, but by turning our country into easy money for any black, Asian, Indian, Mexican or Arab that can get their sheepskin from their local third-world diploma mill, you’re increasing competition for white collar jobs amongst Americans, while further lowing social mobility. Meanwhile, this drains talent from the poorer countries in the world who need all the native talent they can get.

Finally, American companies have shown that they are quite willing to hire programmers, engineers, and even doctors in foreign countries to do the latest “jobs Americans won’t do” without bringing them over here. Hence, aside from providing services to a budding multi-racial elite, any economic benefit that could be had by importing the millions can be gained over the telephone and internet quite as well.

Opinions vary on the subject, but I think all of the posters at Vdare would agree that we need to take a good hard look, and have much honest debate, about ANY form of immigration policy in terms of its long-term impact on the country. I would add that as part of this debate our priorities should also come under question, hopefully abandoning the sole priority and insatiable demand to pull out all the stops and remake our entire country to better jibe with the exigencies of global capitalism. Maybe in this hypothetical debate, the words “sustainability” and “quality of life” would come up a bit more than just how many dollars we can squeeze from the already debt-enslaved American “consumer” before he collapses and is replaced with the new generation in mindless proles, culled from the wide world.

Anonymous said...

"I have a daughter at UC Santa Cruz who says it is common knowledge among the students that you put in race identifying information (unless you're white of course) in the admissions essay to get around the anti-AA rule."

I imagine this is something whites could use to their advantage as well. An admissions essay is not by any means an official document, and there is nothing they could feasibly do to substantiate claims of ethnic identity. Its not like you have to show up in person at the admissions office, since the application process can be done online.

The only hitch would be if you had a stereotypically ethnic European name.

“Hello. I’m a proud Afro-American who grew up on the mean streets of Harlem and my mother tried to sell me for crack. Please let me into your university.

Signed,

Gustav Amadeus Eriksson the forth”

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous said...

Fundamentally, isteve is a blog about California."

Funny, from my vantage point in the Tennessee valley, I was under the impression that isteve is a blog about the deep south. Nashville now has a barrio. Mercado mexicanos (and chicano meth labs) are popping up all over Alabama.

We're all Californians now.

Mr. Anon said...

"Brown Ram said...

I don't think that Steve or any of the vDare folks really care whether educated immigrants come to the US. Their concern is that uneducated (and uneducatable) foreigners come to the U.S."

Not necessarily. There's a lively debate going on at Mangan's Miscellany about this very point.

http://mangans.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

I have a twelve-year old niece who's smart as a whip and wants to go to Stanford when she's older. When the time comes, I'll have to tell her to use what I've learned on this thread and mention her Mexican ancestry in her admissions essay. Otherwise, with her non-Hispanic last name (which she got from the parent who actually raised her), she probably doesn't have much of a chance of getting in.

testing99 said...

RobertHume -- we'd like to expand. It's not ethnically based, it's just the guy who started it, a friend of mine, is based in Southern California.

In fact, most of the Iraq/Afghanistan enlistees are from the South, and Mountain West, and are middle class. Most have degrees, but the need to finance college is not the reason, rather it is a career in the military, which is all volunteer. Even during Wartime and generally good times (2001-2006) recruitment has not been an issue.

I would not argue however, that Whites do not suffer discrimination.

Mark said...

She'd probably be better off transferring to some place closer and cheaper and less competitive. Maybe Cal State Long Beach.

Um: how about she apply here?

u should be grateful they didn't just move those jobs to india/china. they at least made an attempt to keep the jobs here in the US.

WTF??? How were they going to move hotel janitors, cement pourers, lawn mowers and burger flippers to China?

Most of the worthwhile manufacturing jobs have already left. If mass immigration is good for the nation's bottom line then why the hell has our trade deficit grown out the wazoo since mass immigration began? Seriously - why?

Fundamentally, isteve is a blog about California.

Which means it's about where America will be 20 years from today (if that).

Of course I'm a snobby Ivy Leaguer.

Bullshit. Not the way you write - unless you're Al Gore's kid.

I don't think that Steve or any of the vDare folks really care whether educated immigrants come to the US. Their concern is that uneducated (and uneducatable) foreigners come to the U.S. I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong, but I always understood Steve to be for certain types of immigration--i.e. the type that doesn't turn the U.S. into a third-world nation.

Too much immigration, period, is a bad thing, whether low skill or high skill. Race matters at least a little because even Asians buy into ethnocentric politics. That's what I gather is the VDare/iSteve attitude. Europeans by nature are more likely to assimilate without complaint (from either side) into a culture that is European in origin, but even 100% European immigration at our current rates would be bad (see Britain where hundreds of thousands of white, Christian Eastern Europeans ar emigrating ad it's still raising objections).

Not only that, but by turning our country into easy money for any [foreigner who] can get their sheepskin from their local third-world diploma mill, you’re increasing competition for white collar jobs amongst Americans, while further lowing social mobility.

American students especially are very, very well attuned to what's happening in the marketplace. In AD 2000 16,000 college freshmen enrolled as science majors. By 2005 it was half that - 8,000 - and the next year fell by another 18%. American students got the message the American businesses don't want American programmers any more.

Mark said...

In AD 2000 16,000 college freshmen enrolled as science majors...

Computer science majors, I meant to write.

Anonymous said...

I have a twelve-year old niece who's smart as a whip and wants to go to Stanford when she's older.

Since Stanford still officially has affirmative action, your niece can just check off the Latino/Hispanic box on her application and the adcom will see it. The sneaky tactics are for schools that have officially prohibited affirmative action (i.e., the UC system).

dave in boca said...

UCLA is likely going to turn her into academic roadkill, and then replace her with a JuCo transfer!

Nah. She'll major in Spanish and "Education" and graduate with a C average. Then she'll become a teacher in our public schools. I've seen it happen numerous times at UC Berkeley.


Yep, as Steve's previous piece demonstrated, Gresham's Law is the operative principle in the US public educational system. I thank God [or my higher power] every day that I had a parochial school education followed by a Jesuit [Marquette U.] college degree.

I would be surprised if Katrina has a triple-digit IQ. Just the sort of illegal that will cave California into the crater of crime and ignorance its liberals desire.

Anonymous said...

"I think that most of the vDare crowd would not consider those white collar workers who come in to the U.S. and take professional jobs to be all that bad--they're hard-working, quiet, and are ready to assimilate."

Operative word: take professional jobs. Unsaid: at lower cost for the company, thus driving down wages. Free flow of capital and labor and all that, right? LOL
Brown Ram - are you Indian?

Anonymous said...

Since Stanford still officially has affirmative action, your niece can just check off the Latino/Hispanic box on her application and the adcom will see it. The sneaky tactics are for schools that have officially prohibited affirmative action (i.e., the UC system).

What's to prevent anyone from lying about their ancestry in that case? With my niece's obviously non-Hispanic last name, won't they suspect that the checkbox is inaccurate?

Anonymous said...

"testing99,
Anyone doing a program like that in West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee where there are lots of high IQ whites who don't graduate from high school?"

Of course not. That would interfere with T99's quest to get even with those WASPy elites who refused to let his great-grandfather into Harvard.

Φ said...

The community college grads often replace kids with higher scores who flunked out of UCLA's difficult first two years, and wind up getting a valuable UCLA degree instead.

The implication here appears to be that Karina would have more success at UCLA if she instead went to Junior College first. That's the wrong lesson.

Keep in mind that the relationship between any individual's academic portfolio and her eventual success in college will involve some error. Thus, there is a calculable probability that she will outperform what her portfolio predicts sufficiently to succeed; of course, she may also underperform it, or not outperform enough for UCLA. Until she starts doing college-level work, even she doesn't know what can do.

The advantage for UCLA of a JuCo transfer is NOT that the JuCo takes an underperformer and turns her into an outperformer. It's that she is now pre-screened as an outperformer.

JuCo should be useful to Karina for the same reason. Given her relatively small probability of success, she should have been counselled that it isn't really in her best interest to sink the time and money into UCLA until she has a better idea of her ability. But that's not the same as saying that JuCo attendance, in and of itself, increases her chance of success at UCLA.

albertosaurus said...

A good friend just retired from the US Labor Department. He's blond and blue eyed. He is very Nordic. He obsesses about all things Scandanavian.

How did he get into US Civil Service you might wonder? Even forty years ago white men were taboo. It seems he had a Hispanic friend in the Labor Department who had been asked to infomally recruit among his friends for prospective Labor Department employees. They expected only Mexicans or other Latinos. My friend shows up looking like a poster boy for the Third Reich.

Everyone likeed him and he got hired.

Minority hiring preferences worked at least that once I suppose.

Anonymous said...

What's to prevent anyone from lying about their ancestry in that case?

Nothing, except the fear that you'll be found out and denied admission.

With my niece's obviously non-Hispanic last name, won't they suspect that the checkbox is inaccurate?

If she were lying about it by checking off the box, why wouldn't she also continue to lie in her admissions essay? The adcoms will either believe her or they won't. And since it's apparently true that she's half Hispanic, she should go ahead and identify herself as a NAM.

But, yeah, it's always a good idea to give them a sob story. From what I gather, her Hispanic mother skipped out on her. Your niece should turn that into a heartrending essay about her Obama-like search for her Hispanic roots while overcoming obstacles created by racial persecution of her as a person of color or some such twaddle. That oughta work.

I can't? said...

What's to prevent anyone from lying about their ancestry in that case?

Nothing, except the fear that you'll be found out and denied admission.
Well there is the one-drop rule. I doubt if any university administrator will ever know the real truth since they won't make you take a DNA test to prove racial ancestry.
If someone pulls your card, mention Blacks who look White like Carley Simon, Wentworth Miller, Daisy Loewe, and Carrol Channing as back up.
Or you could always pull the Christina Aguilera/Cameron Diaz side for help.

anony-mouse said...

Look at the bright side. If you can get the sociology/poli sci/artsy-fartsy departments at elite Universities filled up with low IQ people they will do less damage when they graduate than had such departments been filled with high IQ people.

ben tillman said...

I have a daughter at UC Santa Cruz who says it is common knowledge among the students that you put in race identifying information (unless you're white of course) in the admissions essay to get around the anti-AA rule.

And white applicants should do the same, though they must mis-identify their race.

ben tillman said...

What's to prevent anyone from lying about their ancestry in that case? With my niece's obviously non-Hispanic last name, won't they suspect that the checkbox is inaccurate?

No, they can't suspect that it's inaccurate, because it can't *be* inaccurate. Or at least there's no way to prove it's inaccurate.

Jody, where are you?

Anonymous said...

She'd be better off in a CC close to home. it costs less and in 2 years or whatever time it takes to get the lower division units for her major done. with that she can transfer to some CSU. for graduate studies she'd be ready for UC. less pain less money

Svigor said...

Europeans by nature are more likely to assimilate without complaint (from either side) into a culture that is European in origin

I've been coming to the realization that this is an astoundingly bad idea. The racial similarities just serve as a better Trojan Horse.

The racially similar outgroup leads to racially dissimilar outgroups, as history makes apparent. And it always traces back to greed.

If peoples have a different identity, they should live apart, period. Racial differences just makes this more apparent.

David said...

Anonymous said

the sole priority and insatiable demand to pull out all the stops and remake our entire country to better jibe with the exigencies of global capitalism

Hear, hear!!

"Global capitalism" of course really means "international capitalists," who are a minority of people. The majority of peoples (including treasury-bond holders who listen to Limbaugh and imagine themselves to be "rich") are fodder to be smashed and remolded - or entirely discarded - by them in cahoots with the governments they influence or control, in pursuit of their personal hegemony and profit.

They recently told their boy Obama to back off the "buy American" stuff. He complied.

Anonymous said...

She'd be better off in a CC close to home. it costs less and in 2 years or whatever time it takes to get the lower division units for her major done. with that she can transfer to some CSU. for graduate studies she'd be ready for UC.

But it wouldn't look nearly as good on a resume. It's all about credentials and academic pedigree now.

clem said...

I don't think that Steve or any of the vDare folks really care whether educated immigrants come to the US.

Norm Matloff (who has contributed to vDare) has a detailed piece on the effects of immigration (even of educated, H-1B Asians and East Indians) on the I.T. industry in North America:

Debunking the Myth of a Desperate Software Labor Shortage.

I just started a two-month I.T. contract for a Canadian provincial government. Of the two dozen people they hired (via a multiple-choice test, no interview), around five are whites/Jews who were born here. The rest are imported Russians, Chinese, and a few Arabs.

No blacks made the (purely meritocratic) cut. No women, either.