From the San Jose Mercury News:
Saying the Silicon Valley tech industry needs to do a better job of hiring native-born blacks, Latinos and some other minority groups, minority leaders picketed Google's Mountain View headquarters Tuesday, asking the Internet giant and other large valley companies to disclose their workplace diversity data.
... The leaders called on the federal government to review the H-1B work visa program that tech companies use to hire engineers from abroad, unless the companies comply.
Good point.
The groups are filing a complaint with the federal government, saying of 34 Silicon Valley tech companies from which they requested workforce data, just 12 agreed to share it. The groups are asking the government to force the companies to disclose their data. They said they singled out Google for Thursday's protest because of its growth and visiblity.
"Google can google anything, but if you google Google, you can't get anything," said Faith Bautista, of the Asian coalition.
I like that line.
A report in the Mercury News last year, based on workforce data that Silicon Valley's largest companies had filed with the federal government, found that the Bay Area's unique diversity is not reflected in the region's tech workplaces.
Hispanics and blacks, the newspaper found, made up a smaller share of the valley's computer workers in 2008 than they did in 2000, even as their share grew across the nation. There was also a decline in the share of management-level jobs held by women between 1999 and 2005. Five companies -- Google, Apple, Yahoo, Oracle and Applied Materials -- refused to release their data, saying it would cause "commercial harm" by potentially revealing the companies' business strategy to competitors. The original story is available at http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_14383730.
I looked up what's going on. The government collects diversity data on all big companies, but the Mercury News' Freedom of Information request for the numbers on 15 big Silicon Valley employers was successfully fought by five of them: Google, Apple, Yahoo, Oracle and Applied Materials.
In a written statement, Google said it strongly values diversity, pointing to its support of internships and scholarships with groups such as Historically Black Colleges & Universities.
"Our philosophy has always been that a diversity of perspectives, ideas and cultures means better products for our users. That's why we have an inclusive work environment and constantly promote diversity at Google, through scholarship programs, internship opportunities and partnerships with organizations working to educate the next generation of engineers and professionals," the company said.
But not through hiring more than the government-mandated minimum of blacks and Mexicans. Google draws the line there.
I call for a boycott by all pro-diversity people everywhere. No more buying any and all products and services from Apple until Apple stops hiding its diversity data.
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Elite and elitish firms have a diversity pipeline. A bank recruiting at my particular school is looking for, slightly paraphrasing. Analyst interns, development interns, and diversity interns.
Presumably the diversity interns become diversity management trainees...Companies can fill their can't call them quotas without having to worry about lower performance.
What do you want to bet all the hipsters in this famous viral recruiting video are obamabots:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMuRWRqpQXQ
in ordre to get young whites- all whites really to not be liberal they need to find out that liberal is not just about being cool they need to suffer the DIRECT actions of their consequences. They call for diversity? Let them start by giving up their jobs to a worthy NAM. Send their kids to a NAM school (well not fair for the kids.. but you get the picture)
Hmm, this section of the clickthrough is sure to make Whiskey smile:
The valley's married male tech employees are more likely to follow the traditional model of having a man working full time, with a woman who stays home with the kids, than
are male professionals nationally, perhaps because of the high salaries paid in tech. By contrast, tech women are overwhelmingly in dual-career couples, and many face an either-or choice — parenthood or career advancement.
"We expected a difference," Simard told the glum-looking [female] students at Stanford, "but this is kind of like the 1950s."
Of course 2000 (ie. pre tech crash) was the high-water mark for diversity employment. The lay-offs in 2001-2003 were relentless, broad and deep. No way would bench warmers be spared.
Word must not have gotten out. Apple products are far and away preferred by youthful black muggers, street thieves and pickpockets, second only to cash. Every day some unsuspecting suburbanite, tourist, or yuppie gets smacked in the face only to see some youths sprinting away with their i-toy. Naive, wimpy whites are easy prey, fueling a regular cottage industry here in this city.These urban youth will not be boycotting Apple products no matter what some organization may say.
SWPLs' favorite companies aren't diverse - and of course never have been.
Steve, you are misguided to call for reduction in number of H-1B visas. US doesn't have a god-given monopoly on innovation. If the most talented and driven people from all over the world can't come to Silicon Valley, their places in tech universe won't necessarily be filled by whites. More likely, the next Google or Facebook would then originate in China or India. Instead, we should do what Australia and Canada do: admit as many rich and talented people as possible.
@Nenad
You sound like my kind of guy. Now there's a smart philosophy that any cognitive elitist would heartily embrace. The real question is, will Steve Sailer and his fellow white nationalists finally wise up to the increasingly globalized nature of modern society? Or will they get left behind clinging to philosophies like white nationalism?
@nenad
Gosh how did we get along all these years?
H-1B visas are to bring down wages for native born American techs, not to innovate. and frankly after seeing the attitude and behavior of h1b's I'd rather take our chances.
Instead, we should do what Australia and Canada do: admit as many rich and talented people as possible.
Sure. To a degree that will be beneficial. But that's not what H1B program does. In real life, H1B is not for talented. It's for good enough people who are willing to work for less.
If the most talented and driven people from all over the world can't come to Silicon Valley, their places in tech universe won't necessarily be filled by whites. More likely, the next Google or Facebook would then originate in China or India.
Yeah, and then where would we be?
You people are beyond parody. So allow me to point out some basic facts of economic theory. There is exactly the same justification for letting Google and Facebook be set up in China as there is for outsourcing a large part of our manufacturing to China - it is cheaper to do the work there than to do it here. This is true for any definition of the word "work" i.e. it applies to writing code and sys admin as much as it does to making toys and kitchen appliances.
If the most talented and driven people from all over the world can't come to Silicon Valley, their places in tech universe won't necessarily be filled by whites.
And yet for the last few hundred years the "most talented and driven people" in the world have been essentially all white. Funny how that works.
If the most talented and driven people from all over the world can't come to Silicon Valley, their places in tech universe won't necessarily be filled by whites. More likely, the next Google or Facebook would then originate in China or India.
Right. Because Google, Facebook, Apple, Oracle, Microsoft etc. were all founded and led by Chinese and Indian immigrants. Oh wait. They weren't. However, there is a common ethnicity behind most successful high tech companies. Brin, Zuckerberg, Wozniak, Ballmer, Dell, Ellison, Grove - yeah, these guys do have an ethnic origin in common, funnily enough. See if you can figure out what it is.
The real question is, will Steve Sailer and his fellow white nationalists finally wise up to the increasingly globalized nature of modern society? Or will they get left behind clinging to philosophies like white nationalism?
this is one of those 'narratives' that Globalists love to create , we the lights, the brights, are illuminating the world.. but these reactionsist are holding us back (at their own peril)
Hmm who has been winning the game of globalism? china, whom restricts imports and operates on a nationalist model, whose diaspora are china-first (as evidenced by all the traitors turning tech over to China)
"Globalized nature" doesn 't mean we have to let our doors wide open, anymore than you have to let the door to your private property open. DO you put your family - children, parents, siblings first? If not, why are you clinging to this outdated idea -why not just let more talented people come live in your home, get rid of your second daugther who's bringing home b minuses?
@Peter A
It's my understanding that Yahoo, Nvidia, Sun Microsystems, etc were founded by Chinese and Indian immigrants.
H1B visas are a disaster, IMO. If we want to bring high-value immigrants in (this makes a hell of a lot more sense than bringing in more campesinos to work construction), we ought to give them resident status, and let them work wherever they like, rather than tying them to a specific employer.
If you Google Google, doesn't Gödel's Theorem kick in?
It's my understanding that Yahoo, Nvidia, Sun Microsystems, etc were founded by Chinese and Indian immigrants.
Wikipedia says...
Yahoo - one out of two founders - Chinese.
Nvidia - one out of three founders - Chinese.
Sun Microsystems - one out of four founders - Indian.
Etc - no word on the numbers of Asians who founded etc.
Without knowing more of the history of these outfits I cant say more about the relative importance of the asian founders concerned. Its a bit of stretch to say that it couldnt have happened without them though. After all who created the academic underpinnings of this industry?
Crudely we could say that a Chinese guy was most important at Yahoo, he is half the founders there. But Yahoo was not then really a technology company. It was a website that got big and successful. To some extent maybe that was just blind luck anyway, Im sure equally good sites existed at the same time.
nenad wrote, Steve, you are misguided to call for reduction in number of H-1B visas. US doesn't have a god-given monopoly on innovation. If the most talented and driven people from all over the world can't come to Silicon Valley, their places in tech universe won't necessarily be filled by whites. More likely, the next Google or Facebook would then originate in China or India. Instead, we should do what Australia and Canada do: admit as many rich and talented people as possible.
Nenad, I used to believe exactly what you wrote, and to some extent I still do. However, in this day and age, no nation can keep a monopoly over technology. For example, Japan is not known for having Nobel Laureates in the hard sciences, but that has not prevented them from being on the cutting edge of technology. And they do it without importing foreigners.
My Ipod packaging states it was designed in California and made in China. Who really benefits? Obviously the small group at Apple and the stock holders have made out well, but how many others in America have benefited?
So I don't know if I can support your position that we need to bring in the world's best and brightest lest they invent new technology elsewhere. So what if facebook were invented in India. Does that mean Americans would not be able to use it? Say the Chinese discover an alternative fuel for cars. Wouldn't we also benefit?
Even if we do bring in all these geniuses and they invent stuff in the USA, we won't benefit from its manufacture. Plus it does seem that if we import more folks it displaces native workers from pursuing those career fields.
If anything we would benefit from a monopoly on commodities like food or natural resources. If we had an abundant supply and the world faced a shortage or had sever droughts, we'd be in the catbird seat. But inventing new technology in this day and age does not command the same advantage. The inventors do all the R&D and the rest of the world copies two months later.
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@Nenad
You sound like my kind of guy. Now there's a smart philosophy that any cognitive elitist would heartily embrace. The real question is, will Steve Sailer and his fellow white nationalists finally wise up to the increasingly globalized nature of modern society? Or will they get left behind clinging to philosophies like white nationalism?"
Your naive belief in progress is quaint, but the 21st century is likely to look more like the 19th centure than the 20th. Prepare yourself for a poorer, hungrier, crappier, and less global future.
Nenad, I used to believe exactly what you wrote, and to some extent I still do. However, in this day and age, no nation can keep a monopoly over technology. For example, Japan is not known for having Nobel Laureates in the hard sciences, but that has not prevented them from being on the cutting edge of technology. And they do it without importing foreigners.
What you wrote reminds me of how some leftists harp on about how immigration restrictionists would have barred Einstein from immigrating...as if his physical presence somehow directly benefited America, even though his work was internationally publicised.
Wozniak isn't Jewish.
"Obviously the small group at Apple and the stock holders have made out well, but how many others in America have benefited? "
How about all the people who use the products?
Even if we do bring in all these geniuses and they invent stuff in the USA, we won't benefit from its manufacture.
Yup. The rate of invocation of "globalization" and "innovation" as arguments for immigration is inversely proportional to an understanding of how these actually play out in the real world.
Regardless, the importation of "geniuses" does not require the existence of the highly corrupted H1-B program. (Mr. Einstein and a host of other brainiacs somehow managed to migrate here legally without benefit of the alphabet-soup of visa programs, under highly restrictive immigration policies.)
Plus it does seem that if we import more folks it displaces native workers from pursuing those career fields.
Good luck getting Thomas Friedman-level intellects to grapple with the complex ramifications of that fact.
As an aside, proponents of open immigration for the allegedly talented should avoid repetitively adducing Facebook and Google as if they were supreme exemplars of human genius or even just good old immigrant ingenuity. I mean, they're nice and all, but they represent business savvy in developing and packaging pre-existing technologies, not real advances or breakthroughs - and they don't, as anon points, do much for "American" competitiveness or the American economy. We would be enjoying the equivalent of Google, most likely courtesy of some other entrepreneur here, if Mr. Brin had never come to America, and we'd be using it and benefiting from any secondary jobs created by its existence, if Google, Inc. in itself employed zero Americans and contributed not a penny to the national economy. (And frankly, the world would probably be a better place without Facebook.)
@Nenad
You sound like my kind of guy. Now there's a smart philosophy that any cognitive elitist would heartily embrace.
Indeed. And since China and India and Israel avoid that philosophy like a dirty bomb, we can obviously conclude that the populations of China and India and Israel are NOT cognitively elite, and therefore, we need none of their brains.
Simple!
"More likely, the next Google or Facebook would then originate in China or India."
China is already doing what it can to create its own Google. Among other things, by banning the real Google. Sure, part of the reason is to maintain censorship over the internet, but do you think business interests aren't also relevant?
"Instead, we should do what Australia and Canada do: admit as many rich and talented people as possible."
Yes, Australia and Canada, the tech paradises of the planet.
"What you wrote reminds me of how some leftists harp on about how immigration restrictionists would have barred Einstein from immigrating...as if his physical presence somehow directly benefited America, even though his work was internationally publicised."
Aye. In fact his presence here probably *cost* us money.
He had his 1905 anno mirabilis in Switzerland. General relativity came in 1915.
So he'd already done all his important work before he ever immigrated in 1933. But when he did get here, he plopped down in the Institute for Advanced Studies, to be supported in part by taxpayers, where he never did manage to come up with anything new. He worked the whole time trying to refute quantum mechanics and develop a Grand Unified Theory, to no avail.
So had he not immigrated here, we'd have suffered how? Oh, yeah, I know. Had he not immigrated, he'd not have written his letter to FDR demanding the Manhattan Project to develop the A-bomb and would not have used his influence to push America, despite exhortations of the America-Firsters like Charles Lindbergh to stay out, into entering WWII.
Without the A-bomb, no Cold War. THAT would have been some loss, eh?
My company (very big company) is undergoing a major re-org to re-build core enterprise technology in the U.S. w/ a lean mean workforce 1/4 the size then previously. Top level management could no longer deny their lying eyes showing them that well-paid American family men will come through for you when the going gets tough. The reason is we are self-organizing and find the optimal balance of hierachy and democracy when allowed.
-Duncan
It's my understanding that Yahoo, Nvidia, Sun Microsystems, etc were founded by Chinese and Indian immigrants.
Then your understanding is wrong. Spend a few minutes researching these companies online.
When and how did the phrase "high tech" get assigned to the computer industry, and only that? There's more high tech in a Toyota Corolla or Ford Fusion than in a PC or computer program.
Support White IT and Tech workers: whenever possible, access www.techinsurgent.com (Life of an I.T. Grunt). Get the other side of the H1B story. They do not provide a forum for Asian/Indian supremacist trolls at that site, either. FWIW, no one in my immediate family works in the tech field so I have no personal dog in this hunt; I am an ethnopatriot by principle.
Steve, you are misguided to call for reduction in number of H-1B visas. US doesn't have a god-given monopoly on innovation.
The right public policy would be an auction of a set number of Visas, similar to a taxi medallion sale. That way the benefit of the foreign innovation is shared between the corporation and the public that permits it. Plus we'd see just how "innovative" these H1-Bs actually are.
jimbo said...
How about all the people who use the products?
Wouldn't those people who use the Apple products that are designed in California and made in China continue to use them if they were designed in India and made in China? The point is the manufacturers seem to get a good chunk of the jobs. The designers at Apple are well paid and stock holders have seen gigantic gains in the past 7 years. But for the rest of us, consumers, retailers and tech support, it is immaterial where the product was designed and made. We will use it anyway.
So saying we need more visas for tech workers to design the next Ipod doesn't hold much water for me. I'd rather we focus on trying to get back involved in the manufacture of the product too.
"The right public policy would be an auction of a set number of Visas, similar to a taxi medallion sale."
Bingo. Auction off H1-B visas, the market will tell us which 65,000 H1-B applications have the highest economic value, Randall Burns ingeniously comes up with the market price:
We don’t really have "markets" in U.S. immigration rights. But India does. In the Indian dowry market, an Indian IT worker can expect the dowry from the bride's family to double when he acquires an H-1b visa.. In raw terms, this means a young H-1b applicant can expect an additional $50-$70,000 soon after obtaining an H-1b visa.
http://www.originaldissent.com/node/475
"There's more high tech in a Toyota Corolla or Ford Fusion than in a PC or computer program."
Especially the onboard computer.
"Yes, Australia and Canada, the tech paradises of the planet."
Amazing how somewhere else always seems to be getting things right. Actually, in Australia today there is a major scandal over student visas. Instead of the brightest we get Indian taxi drivers attending 'Automotive Schools'; African hamburger flippers signing up for 'Cordon Bleu Academies' and Chinese shopping mall massuers enrolled at 'Alternative Medicine Colleges'. Apparently once you've cracked the front end of these scams, a permanent residence visa is something of a formality - after all, you're now the best and brightest by definition.
Gilbert Pinfold
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