September 7, 2012

How do Asian Indians vote?

During election years, everybody is supposed to genuflect to Hispanic Numbers, although the usual acts of obeisance are often inept. For example, the Obama Administration engineered that the Democratic nomination for the U.S. Senate in Arizona go to Richard Carmona, a guy with a remarkable track record: high school dropout; Vietnam vet; sheriff; nurse; doctor; surgeon; was shot by a lunatic but the wounded Carmona pulled his gun and killed the shooter; Surgeon General under Bush; the GOP wanted him to run for Congress in 2006; but he then changed from Republican to Independent in protest over various Bush policies. 

The only problem is: Carmona's not Mexican. He's a Puerto Rican from New York City. This is a general problem: 35 million Mexicans in the U.S. and not a lot of amazing individuals. Thus, the recent silliness of everybody pretending the ceremonial mayor of San Antonio is really a powerhouse executive.

All immigrant groups are not created equal. Polish Catholics, for instance, appear roughly equal in number to Jews in the U.S., but have negligible clout in U.S. culture outside of maybe outfielders. Consider the Borat episode in 2006, in which Polish-American complaints about being assaulted with a giant old-fashioned Polish Joke of the kind that Yiddish-speakers brought to the U.S., and having Borat wildly celebrated by Jewish critics went virtually unheard.

Likewise, I've often argued that in the long run, the most important element of the current immigration mix in terms of setting the tone of politics in the future are not Mexicans, but South Asians. They are articulate in English, and are one of the few groups who seem to like to argue in public. Indians, though, seem to lack the edge, that motor of internal hostility and aggression that makes male Jews the reigning World's Heavyweight Champs at both getting the last word and at being funny.  For example, on the Atlantic Magazine's 2009 list of the most important pundits in America, Jewish men were over-represented by a factor of about 50.

But it's easy to imagine a future in which Asian Indians rank second among ethnic groups in opinion-molding in America.

So, it's important to study the voting and ideology of South Asians. They are a high income group from a socially conservative part of the world, so they are natural Republicans, right.?From the Guardian:
An impressive 84% of the 2.85 million-strong Indian-American community voted for Mr Obama in 2008, second perhaps only to African-Americans as a minority group. 
Has he still got their love? It appears so. 
According to a Pew Research Center survey released in June, 65% of Indian-Americans approve of the way Mr Obama is handling the presidency. 
Of all the Asian American groups surveyed, Indian-Americans were the most Democratic-leaning, again at 65%. Only 18% favoured Republicans.

Well, good luck Republicans with the rest of the 21st Century. You will need it.

The most obvious step is to take away South Asians' valuable status as minorities eligible for various minority-only benefits to business. Go back to pre-1982 when they were just Caucasians not entitled to racial spoils. Right now, South Asians have a financial incentive to identify as victimized minorities -- indeed, the applications Indian entrepreneurs have to fill out for government benefits in terms of procurement and loans often demand that they concoct narratives about how discriminated against they are by whites. Remove this destructive incentive and the traditional South Asian aspiration to whiteness will re-emerge.

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Anonymous said...

Republican Senator Allen pointed his finger at a young indian-american and called him a macaca or monkey.



Republican Senator Allen did not call anybody "a macaca or monkey".

Anonymous said...

Republican Senator Allen did not call anybody "a macaca or monkey".


So the poor guy lost the election and is now apologizing for something he did not say??

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/george-allen-im-really-sorry-about-that-whole-1.php


George Allen is really sorry about that macaca thing. Five years after he threw the slur at a Democratic tracker during the 2006 Senate campaign, Allen offered a long and emotional apology to a small crowd at the Faith and Family Conference.

The incident became national news and arguably derailed Allen’s run for another term in the Senate against challenger Jim Webb. Now, as he gears up his 2012 campaign, Allen is speaking about the incident with a sense of contrition that was absent from his 2006 bid.

Allen said his personal life suffered after the macaca incident, just as his professional life did.

Anonymous said...

The problem the GOP has is that their economic policy is so cartoonishly dumb


Have a look at this helpful graph.

Anonymous said...

recman wrote: It is done by Jat Sikhs mostly and Sikhs have a sex ratio of 780 female births for 1000 male births. Despite the Sikh gurus banning female infanticide



Among this group I saw somewhere that the higher the caste status, the higher the rate of infanticide.

Anonymous said...

"Among this group I saw somewhere that the higher the caste status, the higher the rate of infanticide. "

foeticide you mean.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1198233/Why-richer-mothers-sons.html

Anonymous said...

"A few years ago, Republican Senator Allen pointed his finger at a young indian-american and called him a macaca or monkey...from the stage."

Allen called him Macaca because the guy, a Democratic plant, was following him around at every event, filming everything Allen said and did.

Mocking such fanatics is perfectly acceptable. The press would have had no prolem with it if Macaca had been working for a Republican campaign.

Anonymous said...

"Hindu" is not a fixed religious identity. No "hindu" religious text in the past 3000 years refers to its followers as "Hindu". The term was used by the Persians to refer to everyone who lived on the other side of the Indus.

A typically irrational hindu nationalist or hindutva attempt at slipperiness and intellectual dishonesty. The word "Indian" is not found in any ancient "Indian" texts" either. Nor is the word "Asian" found in any ancient "asian" texts. So what? These are terms in current universal use and their meanings are understood.

Indian is understood as either your ethnic/racial or national identity while Hindu is your religious identity.

A Hindu is someone who accepts the Vedas as the revealed Truth. The Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs reject the Vedas and therefore are not hindus. They are separate and distinct religions.

Anonymous said...

The Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs reject the Vedas and therefore are not hindus.

Most hindus are not even aware of what's in the Vedas. For thousands of years they were not allowed by the brahmins to even listen to it, under threat of having molten lead poured down their ears. I am sure when they learn about the animal and human sacrifices and other indefensible BS in the Vedas, many hindus will abandon this religion.

Anonymous said...

Allen called him Macaca because the guy, a Democratic plant, was following him around at every event, filming everything Allen said and did. Mocking such fanatics is perfectly acceptable.

Republican Senator Allen did not call the indian-american Sidharth a monkey/macaca because he was a fanatic democrat. He did not tell him "welcome to America" for his political affiliation either. That is a really stupid spin.

Both the mainstream media and indian-americans recognized it for what it was: a racial slur. Why do you think indian-americans were so offended by it? Why do you think Allen is apologizing so profusely for it, now that he is running again for office?

Anonymous said...

"Both the mainstream media and indian-americans recognized it for what it was: a racial slur."

It was a throwaway line, you fuckwit, by a guy who stuck his foot in his mouth but meant nothing by it.

Anonymous said...

It was a throwaway line, you fuckwit, by a guy who stuck his foot in his mouth but meant nothing by it.

If you were on the receiving end of a "throwaway line" like that, thrown at you by a Senator from a stage in front of an audience and cameras, I doubt you would be so dismissive about it, you fuckwit.

Anonymous said...

So the poor guy lost the election and is now apologizing for something he did not say?



So you're quoting Talking Points Memo to me?

It sometimes seems that the comments section here has been taken over by a bunch of Kossacks.

Anonymous said...

As an Indian, I can more or less agree with most of the points made:

1)Indians have serious, to the point of being embarrassing, infatuation with pop culture. I cant tell you the amount of times Ive been given a hard time for not knowing some actor or celebrity, even if theyre just a D-lister. But more importantly than that, American politics ITSELF is considered pop culture. As almost all Indians have Indian citizenship, and even if they were born overseas, theyll acquire dual citizenship. They also own real estate, and possibly even businesses and farmland, along with savings accounts denominated in rupees.

So Indian politics is taken very seriously, while American, British, Canadian, etc. is just a popularity contest. Obama is "hip", while McCain/Romney is not. Also want to point out that Ron Paul did real well with West and South Asians. He was even "cooler" than Obama. Though once Paul was gone, they went right back to Obama.

2) Indian people, and Asians in general, do not support affirmative action, especially in education. One only has to look at California, where Asian admissions almost tripled once it was done away with. And when I was applying for scholarships geared toward minorities, I was always told by minority, what they meant was black or latino.

3)The same goes for business loans. Whatever good that comes from SBL's is outweighed by the fact that they go toward their competitors. Indians seriously believe they would dominate the SME arena without government taking any sides. But I would say thats no more silly than the guys on these comments claiming whites would be predominant in Ivy Leagues, with Jews and Asians on the outside looking in, if AA was done away with.

4)Indians, and South Asians in general, have all too often been mistaken for Arabs, especially the Sikh's with their turbans. Seeing as Republicans are more anti-anyone who likes theyre Muslim rather than anti-Islamist, Indians are going to go lean towards the party thats less discriminatory. But that doesnt change the fact that Indians honestly dont care about Muslims, and many actively hate them.

5)Which goes back to the point made about race. It means nothing. Indians divide society based on 3 criteria - status, wealth, and most important of all, religion. Interfaith marriages do not work, and families will actively intervene. The only Indians that tolerate interfaith marriages are the Christians, and thats only because they believe they can turn anyone with the "help of God."

6) Also, the point about Indian males and white women is only half true. Indian men who look Indian are going to have problems picking up white girls, but Indians who look like Southern Europeans cant keep them away. They are "white" and yet "exotic" at the same time. Also, white women have some strange infatuation with wearing saree's. In my experience, they jump with joy at the opportunity of wearing them, whether its a wedding or just simply going to a birthday party.

7)Also, despite what I said about pop culture, its outweighed by an Indian's need to be cheap. It is why Republicans will always have a step over Democrats when they promise lower taxes. Though that belief has seriously been deflated after Republicans added federal sales tax to the platform. If they had instead just focused on repealing the 16th Amendment, it would have been a different story.


Anyway, thats my perspective on all of this. Im an Indian male in his 20's who voted for Ron Paul in 2008, and will write him in again this year. Im a libertarian who has zero loyalty to either party. Though unlike in 2008, I want the Republican Party to lose. Just to punish them for how they treated Dr Paul and to show them that you cant alienate the future of American politics, libertarianism, and still expect to stay relevant.

Anonymous said...

"But it's easy to imagine a future in which Asian Indians rank second among ethnic groups in opinion-molding in America."


Dinesh D'Souza, Fareed Zakaria, and Ramesh Ponnuru prove Simon of London should not render opinions on America based on his experience in the UK.

Anonymous said...

Indians divide society based on 3 criteria - status, wealth, and most important of all, religion. Interfaith marriages do not work

What you really mean is "intercaste marriages do not work". Hindus, even the educated ones, and even the ones who live in the West, remain obsessed with caste.


Indian men who look Indian are going to have problems picking up white girls, but Indians who look like Southern Europeans cant keep them away

Wishful thinking. There are hardly any Indians who could pass for southern europeans.

Anonymous said...

Dinesh D'Souza, Fareed Zakaria, and Ramesh

Two Catholics and a Muslim representing Indian-Americans in the mainstream media. Brahmins confined to boasting in Internet forums....

rec1man said...

Among this group I saw somewhere that the higher the caste status, the higher the rate of infanticide.

--

It is done by castes that pay and get a lot of dowry

Rich Landlords like Jats and Patels do it the most

It peaks around the mid-point of the caste heirarchy

In my caste, I have seen lots of abortions done for foetal abnormality,
mostly by women near 40, and none for sex selection

In Kerala, the sex ratio is 1050 females for 1000 males

In Tamil Nadu, the police is fairly efficient and shuts down the sex-selection clinics

The current Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu, a brahmin woman, about 15 years ago, started a scheme in which anyone who did not want a daughter could abandon the baby at the nearest police station, no questions asked

This cut down a lot of sex selection abortions done by the local landlord castes

rec1man said...

Dinesh D'Souza is a brahmin

His family is from Goa, and the Portuguese gave the upper castes the choice of losing their land or their religion, many chose to keep their land

Each caste that converted, took on a specific surname

D-Souza is the last name of Goan brahmin converts to Catholicism

Ramesh Ponnuru was born a Telegu brahmin and converted to Christianity to get ahead in the USA

rec1man said...

Religion is very important to Indians

Hindu-derived religions like Jains and Sikhs intermarry with Hindus of the same caste

Conversion to christianity or islam will mean expulsion from the extended family and caste, for brahmins and high castes

Low castes such as untouchables will tolerate christianity within their family, but will not tolerate islam

Anonymous said...

Hindu-derived religions like Jains and Sikhs intermarry with Hindus of the same caste

Neither sikhism nor jainism is derived from hinduism. They both reject the Vedas, faith in which defines hinduism.


Dr Van Nostrand said...

1)Indians have serious, to the point of being embarrassing, infatuation with pop culture. I cant tell you the amount of times Ive been given a hard time for not knowing some actor or celebrity, even if theyre just a D-lister. ..They also own real estate, and possibly even businesses and farmland, along with savings accounts denominated in rupees."

True, ties to the motherland remain strong.This prevents further assimilation.
Also cogent point about celebrity culture,my god you have perfect ably respectable people with advanced degrees lapping up gossip up the latest escapades of some dimwit starlet!




.. Ron Paul did real well with West and South Asians. He was even "cooler" than Obama. Though once Paul was gone, they went right back to Obama."

Right again.Indians simply don't give American politics a great deal of thought but they do vote which really come to think of it is a farce!


3)The same goes for business loans. Whatever good that comes from SBL's is outweighed by the fact that they go toward their competitors. Indians seriously believe they would dominate the SME arena without government taking any sides. But I would say thats no more silly than the guys on these comments claiming whites would be predominant in Ivy Leagues, with Jews and Asians on the outside looking in, if AA was done away with."


Hmm...didnt Indian businessman petition the Reagan administration to consider give them minority status so they would be eligible for said loans?

4)Indians, and South Asians in general, have all too often been mistaken for Arabs, especially the Sikh's with their turbans. Seeing as Republicans are more anti-anyone who likes theyre Muslim rather than anti-Islamist, Indians are going to go lean towards the party thats less discriminatory..."

To an Indian like me, the diff between Arab and an Indian is obvious, unless they are from say Yemen or Egypt or they are fair skinned North Indian or Kerala Muslims with Middle Eastern blood.
But yes many white conservatives or even liberals have difficulty telling them apart(to the letters embarrassment)
Even then ,I do find it puzzling that Hindu Indians choose to sympathize with Muslim profiling and other discrimination.
Heck I don't mind being randomly searched or questioned every now and then as long as millions of Muslims are enduring the same!Profiling white grandmothers or black businessmen in the name of stop terrorism in insanity.


6) ...Indians who look like Southern Europeans cant keep them away. They are "white" and yet "exotic" at the same time. Also, white women have some strange infatuation with wearing saree's...

I don't know what it is with white women and sarees, it doesn't suit them IMO, the same way an evening gown doesn't suit most Indian girls.
Most ethnic clothing is custom made and color co ordinated to bring the best out of the ethnicity of the person wearing it.Most of the colors that sarees come in and the shape and drapery don't suit most Northern European women but Hispanic or Italian are able to ahem pull it off!
As Indian guys and white chicks ,its not so much looks as culture..they don't go much for the urban Indian guy who is into Bollywood even if he looks like a Bollywood hero but more likely if he is Americanized i.e. Indian Americans are more likely to date white women than guys fresh off the boats who white women consider dorks! But from anecdotal evidence,Hispanic and black women tend to be more open to their charms!

For now trendy ethnic politics trumps economic concerns.Heck given a choice between Bobby Jindal and Obama, Indian Americans would most likely select Obama though not by such a large margin as with McCain/Romney.

Anonymous said...

Dinesh D'Souza is a brahmin ....D-Souza is the last name of Goan brahmin converts to Catholicism

Souza, Sousa, D'Souza, De Souza are common portuguese names found in Portugal and places that the portuguese colonized including Goa, Africa, Brazil. It is not a hindu caste name. In any case he is not a hindu so how can he be a brahmin?

Ramesh Ponnuru was born a Telegu brahmin and converted to Christianity to get ahead in the USA

Thats probably your usual BS as well. I can't find any evidence that he was a brahmin. In this interview he says his mother was Lutheran and his father a Hindu:

http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features/rameshponnuru_oct04.asp

I am surprised you didn't claim that Fareed Zakaria is a brahmin as well. :)

It is so unfortunate for your agenda that non-hindus are representing indians in american politics and media while brahmins are treated like....outcastes in these fields.

Anonymous said...

Here is what missionary Francis Xavier had to say about the Brahmins of the Portuguese colony of Goa:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1543xavier1.asp


We have in these parts a class of men among the pagans who are called Brahmins. They keep up the worship of the gods, the superstitious rites of religion, frequenting the temples and taking care of the idols. They are as perverse and wicked a set as can anywhere be found and I always apply to them the words of holy David, "from an unholy race and a wicked and crafty man deliver me, O Lord." They are liars and cheats to the very backbone. Their whole study is, how to deceive most cunningly the simplicity and ignorance of the people. They give out publicly that the gods command certain offerings to be made to their temples, which offerings are simply the things that the Brahmins themselves wish for, for their own maintenance and that of their wives, children, and servants. make up for their poverty in learning by cunning and malice.

The Brahmins had a nice scam going and had no reason to convert.


Dr Van Nostrand said...


Here is what missionary Francis Xavier had to say about the Brahmins of the Portuguese colony of Goa:"

And he had absolutely no hidden agenda or motives of his own whatsoever!
I don't know which is sadder ,that Francis Xavier had to resort to the tired lame Catholic strategy of bashing heathens by spreading ill informed propaganda and falsehoods or that bigots and nitwits like you actually believe him!

Dr Van Nostrand said...


The Brahmins had a nice scam going and had no reason to convert. "

And the Portuguese missionaries and pirates(but I repeat myself) had nothing but altruistic motives didn't they when it come to conversion!

The Portuguese were so loathed that Hindus and Muslims temporarily forgot their differences and attacked together.

Kunjali Marakkars or Kerala defeated these third rate pirates in a naval expedition and later the Dutch thankfully drove away the remnants.Though the Dutch themselves were defeated by Marthanda Varma in 1750 in a naval engagement.

If I had my way ,I would storm the Basilica of Bom Jesus and thoroughly desecrate this pirate Francis Xaviers tomb and send the body back to Portugal and charge them for the cost of cargo.

What are Goan Catholics going to do? Fight us? Hahahahaha...well they can try when they are not hung over from the liquor they purchased thanks to the uh efforts of their wives.

Dr Van Nostrand said...


I am surprised you didn't claim that Fareed Zakaria is a brahmin as well. :)"

The lineage of Muslims tend to be less well known that of say Catholics of the West coast.Thats why!

It is so unfortunate for your agenda that non-hindus are representing indians in american politics and media while brahmins are treated like....outcastes in these fields."

Why are you projecting your neuroses on others?
If you have an irrational hatred of Brahmins, then why do you assume rec1man loathes lower castes?In his criticism he doesn't spare Indian middle to upper castes such as Jats and Patels! I didn't see him say anything about lower castes except some tribals when he mentioned they resemble Africans!

As a Brahmin myself,Im glad for these "lower" castes and wish them all the best.If they are outpacing Brahmins in U.S then bravo, let them be an example to other "lower" castes in India and disprove this imprisonment by genes and IQ nonsense that HBD types like to claim.

Dr Van Nostrandd said...



Neither sikhism nor jainism is derived from hinduism. They both reject the Vedas, faith in which defines hinduism."

How exactly do the Sikhs and reject Vedas?
Also Vedas maybe the foundation of Hinduism but if you believe the Vedas are an infallible, literal word of God ala the Bible or the Quran then you understand little of Hinduism.

The main god of the Vedas is Indra is identified, with the senses which implies a rather limited understanding of the known universe.

Now when Krishna challenges Indra and ultimately Shiva replaces Indra as King of Gods, the average dimwit Western "scholar" interprets this as the resurgence of "Dravidian" customs against the Aryan religion of Indra or an Aryan Dravidian war since Krishna and Shiva are dark and Indra is light skinned.

There is no point in debating such silliness but since I started already-here goes...Krishna and Shiva by their victories over Indra demonstrate the limitations of perceiving the universe of only the senses and further abstraction and penance are required for a more complete understanding.


And yes in doing so Hindus like Krishna and Hindu deities like Shiva go against some tenets in the Vedas.According to your brilliant logic,that would make Krishna and Shiva apostates from Hinduism!

Krishna traced his descent from Yadu kings with impeccable Vedic Arya lineage. Shiva is a diety and not an individual and his color should not be reflective as the complexion of his worshippers.He is dark because he is "devoid" of nature or Prakriti which is represented by his wife Parvathi.
Kali OTOH is not really his wife but one aspect of Shiva.

Mahavir Jain ,founder of Jainism,Siddhartha Gautama, of Buddhism and Guru Nanak of Sikhism had only improved and clarified some concepts in existing Hinduism while doing away with others.In that they were merely following old Hindu traditions of examining and spring cleaning the Vedas as it were.

I normally don't like to reveal too much information about Hinduism to foreigners, especially Westerners...see what disasters they created with the just the words "Aryan" and "Swastika"!

But in Hinduism ignorance is a sin and I can't let such rampant ignorance go unchecked

Dr Van Nostrand said...


Wishful thinking. There are hardly any Indians who could pass for southern europeans."

That would be news to many in Northern Indian ,particularly those who populate Bollywood! Many of whom are paler than say Southern Italians or Spaniards

Anonymous said...

That would be news to many in Northern Indian ,particularly those who populate Bollywood! Many of whom are paler than say Southern Italians or Spaniards

No they are not. The fact that you all get off on such bollywood delusions shows how screwed up you are.

Anonymous said...

In his criticism he doesn't spare Indian middle to upper castes such as Jats and Patels!

He hates them because the Patels and Jats are sudras or low caste who are doing better than brahmins economically. Doing better economically does not make a sudra an upper caste in the brahminical system. But in modern India it makes them a "forward" caste.

Btw, your buddy rec1man, who claims to be a tamil brahmin, is probably a sudra himself based on the judgement of the true orthodox nambudiri brahmins. Look it up.

Anonymous said...

Krishna traced his descent from Yadu kings with impeccable Vedic Arya lineage.

So you believe that the Vedic Aryans were negritos?

After all Krishna is described as shyama sundara or black and handsome...

Was Sathya Sai Baba whose photographs and videos we have, also a negrito:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/8z83956

Anonymous said...

Mahavir Jain ,founder of Jainism,Siddhartha Gautama, of Buddhism and Guru Nanak of Sikhism had only improved and clarified some concepts in existing Hinduism while doing away with others.In that they were merely following old Hindu traditions of examining and spring cleaning the Vedas as it were.

A shameless lie. They didn't "spring clean" the Vedas they rejected it outright. They rejected its cruel sacrifices, they rejected its caste system, they rejected its superstitious nonsense, they rejected its gods...

It was brahminism that borrowed extensively from the sramanic or self-reliant religions, Jainism and Buddhism, not vice versa.

You are also lying when you claim that the Vedas are not the "word of God" to hindus. :

http://www.bradfordmandir.org/6.html

The Vedas are eternal truths revealed by God to the great ancient Rishis of India.

So you are forced to explain how the human and animal sacrifices of the Vedas can be considered "eternal truths". Go ahead give it a shot. :)

Anonymous said...

The Portuguese were so loathed that Hindus and Muslims temporarily forgot their differences and attacked together.

All your loathing could not dislodge the portuguese from their tiny colony of Goa for 550 years! Says a lot about the martial spirit of hindus.

It was only in 1961 that India took Goa by force using the british trained modern army it inherited from its erstwhile colonizers..

Btw, Goa makes the rest of India look like a giant slum. It has the highest per capita income of any indian state. It also has the highest percentage of christians. On the other hand the states with the highest percentage of brahmins, Uttar Pradesh and Bihar, are the poorest, filthiest, most backward, most dehumanizing. Coincidence? I think not...

Anonymous said...

If I had my way ,I would storm the Basilica of Bom Jesus and thoroughly desecrate this pirate Francis Xaviers tomb

Your ancestors already had their way with the temples and monasteries of the Jains and Buddhists in South India centuries before Xavier landed in Goa. It is a shameful record that your kind is still itching to replicate...

Anonymous said...

Francis Xavier had to resort to the tired lame Catholic strategy of bashing heathens by spreading ill informed propaganda and falsehoods

Which part of Xavier's description of the brahmin is a falsehood:

They are as perverse and wicked a set as can anywhere be found.....They are liars and cheats to the very backbone. Their whole study is, how to deceive most cunningly the simplicity and ignorance of the people.

That description is true to this day. One can even see it in the posts of brahmins on internet forums.

A recent poll showed that 3/4 indians agree that brahmins are a deceitful caste...

Dr Van Nostrand said...

So you are forced to explain how the human and animal sacrifices of the Vedas can be considered "eternal truths". Go ahead give it a shot. :)"

Err I didn't make that quote! Are you so deranged that you take a quote that someone else made and ascribe it to me?



A shameless lie. They didn't "spring clean" the Vedas they rejected it outright. They rejected its cruel sacrifices, they rejected its caste system, they rejected its superstitious nonsense, they rejected its gods..."

Evidence please that Buddha ,Mahavira and Nanak stated that "We hereby reject the wicked Brahmanic Vedas and their superstitious falsehoods" or something to that effect!
You can call a truth a lie or vice versa ,it doesn't make it so!

It was brahminism that borrowed extensively from the sramanic or self-reliant religions, Jainism and Buddhism, not vice versa. "

Self reliant? Hahaha! The Buddhists,Jains and Sikhs are as devoted to their clergy as Hindus to their Brahmins perhaps even more so!


...
They are as perverse and wicked a set as can anywhere be found.....They are liars and cheats to the very backbone. Their whole study is, how to deceive most cunningly the simplicity and ignorance of the people.

That description is true to this day. One can even see it in the posts of brahmins on internet forums.

A recent poll showed that 3/4 indians agree that brahmins are a deceitful caste..."

THIS is your evidence? Hearsay, your anecdotal finds from forums and surveys?You are a sad,pathetic man!



All your loathing could not dislodge the portuguese from their tiny colony of Goa for 550 years! Says a lot about the martial spirit of hindus."

They had been restricted to Goa not by choice, I hope you realize that some Pope in the 1500s assigned West Indies to Spain and East Indies to Portugal!

The Portuguese were welcomed as traders but very soon they broke this trust and conducted war on their patrons.You may impressed by such "martial" practices but we are not.
Their plans in South India were thwarted despite Hindus having to worry about driving back Muslim invasions.
Spain and Portugal were ruled by Muslims for 700 years.Hungary,Greece and much of Eastern Europe were under Turkish rule for 400 years
The British were under Norman French rule.
Only someone with such appallingly bad knowledge of history would make such a tenuous connection between martial spirit and occupation!

It was only in 1961 that India took Goa by force using the british trained modern army it inherited from its erstwhile colonizers.. "

Yes the very army that helped it win both the world wars ,sorry I really don't have the need to feel any gratitude towards Britain in this matter.


Btw, Goa makes the rest of India look like a giant slum. It has the highest per capita income of any indian state. It also has the highest percentage of christians. On the other hand the states with the highest percentage of brahmins, Uttar Pradesh and Bihar, are the poorest, filthiest, most backward, most dehumanizing. Coincidence? I think not...

Catholics are a minority in Goa genius! Furthemore Goa was ruled as union territories well in the 90s i.e. rule was for most part from the central government!
And who were the administrators those evvvvilll Brahmins from UP and Bihar!

Dr Van Nostrand said...


Your ancestors already had their way with the temples and monasteries of the Jains and Buddhists in South India centuries before Xavier landed in Goa. It is a shameful record that your kind is still itching to replicate..."

Someone has been reading too much leftwing propaganda, who beside Pushyamitra Sunga and Shashanka has persecuted Buddhists.
In the former case it was more likely political than religious as he had usurped the Maurya dynasty by assassinating the last king Brihidranatha Maurya who was a Buddhist and this had more to do with purging the Maurya loyalists.

There was one stray Chola king in the south who persecuted Jains and that was instigated by a Jain king who did the same to Vedic Brahmins.

I hate to break it to you but Buddhist and Jain kings were just as ferocious and bloodthirsty as Vedic Kshatriya kings so much as when that Bactrian Greek interloper Menander invaded Northern India, he simply retreated when he learnt that Kharavela the Jain king of Kalinga was intent on engaging him.

I really don't have a problem with Jains or Buddhists,more power to them... but you seem to have serious issues with Brahmins...get some help!

Dr Van Nostrand said...


No they are not. The fact that you all get off on such bollywood delusions shows how screwed up you are"

I simply commented on the actors who constitute Bollywood, I never issued any judgement or their product(which I don't quite care for BTW).So how exactly is that "Bollywood delusions"?

You seriously have to come up with better counter arguments than "no it is not" or "you are deluded, screwed up"

You are not exactly Cicero with your utter lack of persuasion,wit,facts or erudition!

Anonymous said...

Err I didn't make that quote! Are you so deranged that you take a quote that someone else made and ascribe it to me?

That quote from a hindu organization makes a liar out of you (yet again!) for claiming that hindus do not consider the Vedas to be the eternal truth revealed by God. That was a shameless lie since you surely knew that the in hinduism the Vedas are considered Sruthi or revealed scripture and sanatana or eternal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Śruti

The name for revelation in Sanskrit is Sruti, which means hearing; and this title distinguished the Vedic hymns and, at a later time, the Brahmanas also, from all other works, which however sacred and authoritative to the Hindu mind, are admitted to have been composed by human authors. The Laws of Manu, for instance, are not revelation; they are not Sruti, but only Smriti, which means recollection of tradition. If these laws or any other work of authority can be proved on any point to be at variance with a single passage of the Veda, their authority is at once overruled. According to the orthodox views of Indian theologians, not a single line of the Veda was the work of human authors. The whole Veda is in some way or the other the work of the Deity


So if you do not believe that the Vedas are eternal and infallible, why do you still call yourself a brahmin?

The question remains: what eternal infallible truths do hindus find in the human sacrifices aka purushamedha of the Vedas? What is infallible about the bestiality and necrophilia that is part of the horse sacrifice or ashvamedha???

Anonymous said...

"What are Goan Catholics going to do? Fight us? Hahahahaha...well they can try when they are not hung over from the liquor they purchased thanks to the uh efforts of their wives.
"
Van Nostrand is a bigoted ignoramus parroting silly Bollywood sterotypes.

Gmorbgmibgnikgnok said...

The Republican base is poorer and less-educated than American of South Asian descent (specifically, Hindus -- see Pew).

Nevertheless, this same group manages to look down on South Asians with the same contempt aimed at blacks and Latinos.

As Mr. Sailer points out, South Asians are quite fluent in English. They remember campaign questions about whether candidate X is *really* a Christian, or references to Nikki Haley being a "raghead".

All of that tasty goodness comes from one side of the aisle.

Good luck getting South Asians to lock arms with the GOP base. Seriously, give it your best shot if only for the comedic effect.

In 20 years, they'll have enough money and clout to make the Jewish lobby look like the Jehovah's Witnesses. And they won't be voting Republican.

Anonymous said...

Legendary Linda said: "Among the Mongoloids, Hong Kongoids are the brightest (IQ 110) and Native Americans are the dullest (genetic IQ around 90), but because East Asains so outnumber Amerindians, the overall mongoloid mean is 105.


Among caucasoids, Ashkenazi are the brightest (IQ 110), Roma are the dullest (genetic IQ probably 80), with an overall caucasoid mean around 95. Ashkenazis have a lot of genetic diseases caused by centuries of artifiticial selection for intelligence; perhaps natures way of saying no Caucasoid people is meant to have a mean IQ as high as the superior Mongoloids."

Did this crazy left over from the 1920s eugenics craze woman actually say "Hong Kongoids"? LOL! Genetically race counts for less than 1% of a person's DNA characteristics. One certainly cannot base race upon something so flexible as "phenotype"!

Thank goodness for this blog, because this is one of the few spaces in the world where this junk can even remotely be taken seriously giving the crazies an out so that society is somewhat protected from their lunacy. This comment more than any other perfectly illuminates why Southeast Asians don't vote Republican:

1. No one wants to align themselves with the losers...sorry.
2. Many of you might have gained a bit more savoir fair and recognized the need for the intelligent suit wearing guy as your front man but we colored people know that the ignorant rhetoric usually isn't too far behind. "Hide Billy Bob, company is coming!" Yeah, well we know Billy Bob is still in your ranks.

This woman actually pulled out flawed pseudo science from the early 20th century eugenics movement which has been COMPLETELY discounted by any established and reputable scientific source---hilarious! I am printing this out and using it in a blanket email to all of my friends and co-workers with the title: "Why you should definitely vote for Obama in the 2012 election." Keep it coming--you're making it too easy.

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