With crime rates in the news again, let me just quote my April 2013 Taki's article on the data for anybody looking for an authoritative source for use in on-line debates:
At present, the best source for Obama Administration data on homicides by race is a 2011 PDF by Alexia Cooper and Erica L. Smith of the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics: “Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008.” ... From page 2:
Based on available data from 1980 to 2008—
Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders.…The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000).
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John is correct. Hispanics (Arabs too) are classified white in crime reports.
I see dozens of crime reports daily for work.
Hispanics (other than black looking puerto ricans and cubans, etc.) are classified as white only when they are the perpetrators. They are classified as "hispanic" when they are victims. So the stats grossly understate the ratio of black per capita homocide rates to white per capita rates.
And given that the government has every incentive and means to fudge the figures as much as possible, the true numbers are probably much, much higher. Undoubtedly many "whites" - Hispanics, Arabs, etc - are included in the "white" total. The TRUE difference between the WHITE and black rates are astronomical.
The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000).
That would be almost 7 (6.64) times higher
... And the rate for 'whites' includes Hispanics, no doubt, who commit homicides at a much higher rates than actual Whites do.
It also includes mulattoes like the Chism kid who killed his teacher and tri-racial people like George Zimmerman.
... And the rate for 'whites' includes Hispanics, no doubt, who commit homicides at a much higher rates than actual Whites do.
There's no evidence of that. The rates appear to be nearly equal.
That would be almost 7 (6.64) times higher
Wrong. The original number is correct.
2008 is when those "latest" DOJ stats end. 2009: as soon as Obama was sworn in and had appointed Eric "My People" Holder to head the DOJ, the two of them looked at crime-by-race stats and immediately put a gag on further release of those stats, thus telegraphing that you don't need a weatherman to know that power fears to let truth speak for itself.
Interesting to note that this ratio is the same, or is even higher, in countries with lower overall murder rates like Canada. Accepting a sizable black minority in a white population invariably has a profound effect on crime. Since even smart blacks have offspring that will in time 'revert to the mean', letting in blacks in any number should be avoided. Policies that tend to increase the numbers of those already there, like generous welfare benefits, should be adjusted in consequence.
There's no evidence of that. The rates appear to be nearly equal.
Herre's what Griffe said:
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It has been conjectured that the contribution of Hispanics to violent crime is on the point of advancing to the standing enjoyed by blacks. This, however, is not confirmed by our evidence, at least in our largest cities. Whoever thinks or has thought this to be so has come to this determination from evidence not directly related to what is happening on the street, but rather from incarceration records, court appearances or sentencing data. When crimes rather than criminals are counted, and the Hispanic effect is appropriately removed, the data show that violent crime rates for Hispanics and non-Hispanic whites, though a bit higher for Hispanics, are in actual fact quite similar. As for blacks, their crime rate remains by any measure uniquely high.
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By the "offending rate" they mean what? The rate at which convictions are achieved? The rate at which eye-witnesses identify the murderer as black? Something else?
Jillian-
The relationship between monoamine oxidase A, the "warrior gene," and violence has gotten a lot more attention among researchers and hbd bloggers recently. Here's a good primer:
http://theunsilencedscience.blogspot.com/2012/12/scientists-rediscover-violence-gene.html?
There are not only mestizos, but BLACKS included in the white homicide stats. Look up Philip Chism's police report on Google.
Reply to anon at 3:24 AM:
Couldn't agree more with your post. Canada and Britain are committing slow motion self destruction by allowing large numbers of blacks into their countries.
What is regrettable about this statistic can be seen in shuffling through some data from New York City. In New York in recent years, the very worst homicide rates have been recorded in Ocean Hill - Brownsville and Bedford Stuyvesant and have averaged around 22 per 100,000. If you run through the stats for all neighborhoods with concentrated black populations, you see that a homicide rate of 13 per 100,000 is feasible for slum neighborhoods with the right kind of manpower deployed. Some of us can recall that a rate of 12 per 100,000 was the mean for metropolitan centers in this country ca. 1980.
There is a great deal you can do to make for quality of life improvements in the slums, but interest in this on the part of urban pols is usually pretty minimal.
A check of the website heyjackass.com, which keeps score, shows that there's been a total of 403 homicides so far this year in Chicago. The breakdown of victims is 321 black, 72 Hispanic, 8 white. Percentages of the population, according to Wiki, are 32.9%, 28.9 and 31.7, respectively.
Off the top of my head I can remember at least two white homicide victims of blacks that made the news locally. So that brings it down to 6 or less homicides possibly committed by whites out of a white population of approximately 856,000, roughly. That's fairly low and compares well with cities in other countries that are considered civilized.
Puerto Ricans, Mexicans and other Spanish speakers are lumped in together in the Hispanic category so it can't be determined if one or the other of those groups are the ones driving the numbers up for their category.
We should revise our right-wing racist arguments. Formerly we were saying blacks are 7 times more likely to commit murder than whites are, per capita.
This is wrong!! Horrible!! Utterly inaccurate and irresponsible!!
The correct current figure, per Obama, is ** 8 ** times more violent.
Please duly note this and make the necessary updates.
For those who care, the Essex County DA's office finally released the crime report on the Colleen Ritzer murder, and her 14-year old student Chism did indeed rape her.
I hope the evidence is irrefutable, as the Essex County DA is the latest buffoon from the Blodgett family, a group of low-rent Kennedy wannabes who could eff up a free lunch.
That's why I prefer Mexican/Asian counties to Mexican/ Black counties. I think I saw where Anaheim had a lower crime rate than Houston. Anaheim is only 2 percent black while Houston is about 19 percent. Both have a lot of Mexicans though.
States with large numbers of blacks have the highest homicide rates. States with large numbers of Hispanics - TX, CA, NM, AZ, NV - rank in the middle. And states that are predominantly European and Asian (Hawai'i) rank at the bottom.
Good Point, that why the TV had a piece on Asians moving to Irvine or having their kids live here with why a nanny if they don't moved here. Irvine is about 2 percent black and only 9 percent Hispanic. New Great Park housing attracting mainly Hispanics on the internet.
Personality, blacks like Mexicans have much lower stats in parts of the US where they have a low percent. Blacks in Wyoming do much better than Blacks in Louisiana.
@ Matthew: well-said & right on. when the Left finally admits to disparate crime rates (20 years in the future) they will spin it as: "assimilation takes time & these are just bumps in the road along the way" - that PR spin will play for 50 more years. so i give the country about 70 more years. unless reality becomes more agreed upon & appreciated by the Left.
So that brings it down to 6 or less homicides possibly committed by whites out of a white population of approximately 856,000, roughly.
No, because some of the blacks and hispanics may have been killed by whites.
The 14 year old 5' 2" son of Obama who raped and murdered his teacher is also categorized as white.
Most people think the violence attributable to blacks is because of their lower IQ. If true, then shouldn't Hispanics have a similar crime rate since they have similar average IQ's?
The claim is that an array of genetic factors make a major contribution to crime differentials. Aside from IQ, greater impulsiveness/lack of forethought is also considered to be a major factor. IQ and impulsiveness act hand in hand here, since someone with low IQ is much more likely to be on a 'life track' that offers fewer rewards for forethought, thus this 'lack of practice' makes it less likely that the individual will exercise whatever forethought he was endowed with.
Art Deco,
What are your sources for NYC neighborhood crime? Please post some links.
@5:28- "No, because some of the blacks and hispanics may have been killed by whites."
Sorry to disappoint, but no, it's zero, zip.
@5:28- "No, because some of the blacks and hispanics may have been killed by whites."
Sorry to disappoint, but no, it's zero, zip.
"Look up Philip Chism's police report on Google."
In fairness, Chism is majority white, given his white mother and his black father who probably, like most African-Americans, is ~15% white by ancestry.
You could, however, argue that it was the African DNA in him that drove him to violence. I wouldn't doubt it.
"On an age-adjusted basis, [Hispanic and white crime rates] are said to be pretty close."
I don't buy it. Unz tries to exclude criminals in jail for immigration related offenses, but the feds often only incarcerate immigration offenders if they've been caught committing some other (generally serious) crime. Most of them would be in jail anyway, absent the immigration charges.
Crimes in immigrant neighborhoods are less likely to go reported. I have a white friend who lived in a heavily Hispanic part of town and, needless to say, she had things stolen, and had her car vandalized.
Murder rates are the best thing to look at to compare crime rates, because murder nearly always gets reported. The stats show Hispanic-heavy states have higher murder rates. In my own state, the annual list of homicides is substantially skewed towards Hispanics.
Sorry to disappoint, but no, it's zero, zip.
I would hardly be "disappointed" (lol), but I'm curious how you know this to be the case? Are all the murderers of blacks and hispanics accounted for and is each every one of them non-white? Or is it just some kind of intuition on your part?
Crying out for isteve comment.
Murder rates are the best thing to look at to compare crime rates, because murder nearly always gets reported. The stats show Hispanic-heavy states have higher murder rates. In my own state, the annual list of homicides is substantially skewed towards Hispanics.
True, this is really noticeable in counties like Santa Clara, Orange and San Diego where blacks are 5 percent or less. Parts of San Jose or Anaheim or Santa Ana stand out compared to their neighbors.
"Obama Administration: Blacks are homicide offenders at almost 8x higher rate"
Well this kid might give them a run for thier money - he's a one-man (or rather one-boy) crime wave. More vibrancy from our southern neighbor:
Noted decapitator heading for America
And thanks to our anchor-baby policy, this winner is a Red-White-and-Blue American citizen.
The UK government stopped releasing race statistics on perpetrators of crime years ago.
It's hardly worth saying why, we all know.
GordoCooper
Some of consequences and reactions to the racial disparity in crime rates should be obvious but are seldom discussed.
The simplest solution is simply to recognize race in the law. Right now we treat all people as if they are equally likely to be criminal offenders. Obviously that's wrong.
Some obvious reforms might include adjusting the Second Amendment and the right of free assembly. Gun foes want to restrict or outlaw gun ownership so as to reduce crime. Since we know that blacks are doing most of the crime, doesn't it make sense to make gun ownership illegal for blacks?
Similarly if blacks are no longer allowed to congregate the 'flash mob' problem goes away. Blacks could be restricted to certain areas and be under permanent curfew.
When whites are all given concealed carry permits, the 'knockout game' would also become a lot less frequent.
We seem to be having an acceleration of black grievances. The disturbing thing about the 'knockout game' isn't so much the physical assault as the motivation. These young black men think they are justified in seeking redress against any random white person. Some black kid will soon extrapolate their rage from hitting to shooting.
When that happens on a large enough scale, separate laws for blacks will be the mildest remedy considered.
The Founding Fathers devised a form of government that they thought would work for white, religious, property owners. The Second Amendment was included largely to provide whites with a guarantee of protection against blacks. Why should we be surprised when we allow blacks to be armed?
The only answer we have had to date is separation. Whites flee from blacks. They confine themselves to 'reservations' for protection. When that stops working maybe whites will reverse the policy and confine the blacks to the reservations.
What to do about black violence is the number one problem of our time. It's hard to see how allowing black males to wander around armed can endure much longer now that we recognize that this segment of the population is so homicidal.
Albertosaurus
Homicide rates were considerably higher twenty years ago. Black murders peaked in 1993. White and East Asian crime rates never jumped up and so they never declined. They have remained at the same low level for decades.
Why the nineties crime rise? And why the late nineties crime fall?
The conventional reason most often cited is the crack epidemic. According to this theory crack took the black ghettos by surprise and when the black population came to understand the danger, crime subsided. Maybe.
But if that's so - look out. There are plenty of novel drugs being devised in labs around the world. By this theory we are in a kind of 'interglacial' and the return of normal conditions will bring a return of much higher crime rates soon.
One problem with the crack epidemic theory is that it is so obviously flattering to blacks. The Crack Epidemic theory says - "It wasn't blacks who caused all that violence. It was the drug. When blacks learned better, they got rid of crack".
We need better answers. Why is crime down?
Albertosaurus
Honduras has replace South Africa as the country with the highest murder rate.
That should be reflected here.
goatweed
Latino homicide is in large part gangbangers bumping each other off, and is rather unrelated to general crime. For example, if we look at the city of Covina (LA county), there were no homicides in 2004,2005, and 2006, but in 2007 and 2008 the homicide rate jumped to 12.5 and 21.1. This enormous jump in homicide, however, was not at all matched by a rise in reported robbery, assault or burglary; the rates for these crimes were basically unchanged, or if anything lower in 2007 and 2008. In 2010 and 2011 the homicide rate was back down to 2.1. Covina is far from an isolated example. You can see these sorts of jumps up and down in homicide with stagnant or falling robbery and assault rates in city after city. Essentially I think we can say about hispanic homicide that when it's calm it can be very calm, but when it explodes it can really explode.
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... And the rate for 'whites' includes Hispanics, no doubt, who commit homicides at a much higher rates than actual Whites do.
There's no evidence of that. The rates appear to be nearly equal.
Why does the FBI pretend hispanic criminals are white? They don't pretend hispanic victims are white, so it isn't because they can't figure it out. If the white-white and hispanic crime rates were similar the FBI would say so?
On the other hand, maybe Mexico is a better place to be a criminal: dumber and more corrupt cops and legal system, no death penalty, and no life w/o parole. But most murders are aren't planned that far in advance.
What's the murder rate in Mexico? That's probably a good starting spot the murder rate of Mexicans who happen to be located in the US. If I remember right, Mexico's murder is a few times higher than the US non-black rate.
>>"... And the rate for 'whites' includes Hispanics, no doubt, who commit homicides at a much higher rates than actual Whites do."
>"There's no evidence of that. The rates appear to be nearly equal."
If the official rates are nearly equal yet everywhere you look hispanics are being classified as white on crime stats then the official stats are ***obviously*** not true.
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"Most people think the violence attributable to blacks is because of their lower IQ. If true, then shouldn't Hispanics have a similar crime rate since they have similar average IQ's?"
Higher impulsivity and higher rates of the killer gene (probably connection to MAOA).
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"Latino homicide is in large part gangbangers bumping each other off, and is rather unrelated to general crime."
The gang culture is very intimately and directly related to other crime and at the same time is directly and intimately connected with why people don't fully ***report*** crime committed by gang members - for what should be obvious reasons.
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On top of that the gang culture is selecting for sociopaths which over time will make things ever worse.
The murder rate in Puerto Rico is now six times as high as the US murder rate - about 30 per 100,000, or roughly the same as in the most murderous US cities.
The notion that Hispanic crime rates are comparable to white crime rates is ridiculous.
"In fairness, would Chism qualify for affirmative action? If so, then he should not be classified as a white male."
Touche. If Chism had just aced the SAT or won the Intel Science Contest, the press would call him black, and Obama would be saying "If I had a son..."
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