August 15, 2013

Kumar, former Obama aide, defends stop-and-frisk

Kal Penn, the Indian-American star of Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle and two-time aide to President Obama (seriously), is getting denounced for tweeting support for Mayor Bloomberg's stop-and-frisk policy. The movie star called out "activist judges" and defended his anti-crime position by citing his being robbed at gunpoint in Washington's Du Pont Circle in 2010:
Chris Williams @CWmsWrites
I can't wait for you to be a victim of stop and frisk. Then, maybe you'll change your tune. 
Kal Penn        ✔ @kalpenn
lol well already been a victim of violent crime. It's a sound policy and we need to stop trying to get rid of it

The Atlantic writer scoffs at this erstwhile liberal hero:
But as Penn's tweets suggest, stop-and-frisk needn't be legal or sound to work as a placebo for worried city dwellers. 

A couple of observations:

- Crime victims are the least recognized identity / interest group around. You are allowed to laugh at their victimization because they are mostly just random people who got unlucky. They're like lefthanders -- organized baseball discriminates like crazy against left-handed catchers, but nobody cares because lefties are largely randomly distributed around the population. So they don't have other ties, such as kinship, to tie them together politically and allow them to achieve what Jonathan Haidt calls "sacralized" status.

- Indian-Americans have a tiny street crime rate, and that's widely understood by urban cops, so they, on the whole, benefit from harsh anti-crime policies like stop-and-frisk. They seldom get stopped and they benefit from the decline in violence. 

That raises the question: If blacks and Hispanics are encouraged to condemn stop-and-frisk as being bad for blacks and Hispanics, why are Asian-Americans discouraged from supporting stop-and-frisk as being good for Asian-Americans? 

I think one answer is because the dominant media mindset includes a subliminal awareness of how rickety the diverse Obama Coalition actually is. The only way to hold together demographic fringe groups like blacks, Mexicans, Asians, gays, single moms, white liberals, and so forth is to encourage resentment of the core of the country. 

Thus, for the most famously ardent Asian Obama-supporter in the country -- a man who scaled back his successful Hollywood career to serve Obama in Washington -- to step off the reservation and suggest that the crime problem isn't just white rural gun nuts, to imply that the crime problem is partly the fault of blacks and Hispanics for committing so many crimes, well, that's the kind of heresy that the hivemind immune system immediately sends its antibodies after.

This immune response idea may help explain one reason why the media doubled-down on George Zimmerman.

53 comments:

MKP said...

Steve, there are several people writing about these issues in scattered and piece-meal ways, but no one tackles all of this stuff in the comprehensive, logical and incisive way that you do. I hope you know how much we appreciate it.

Anonymous said...

My understanding is that the "Stop and Frisk" numbers include people who were "Stopped and Questioned" and allowed to leave on account of the cops deciding that frisking wasn't necessary.

That being the case, I, a white middle-aged Jewish Californian was "stopped and frisked" in New York about a year ago, just minus the frisking.

I was walking right outside Centrral Park after dark when a police cruiser pulled up and the officer started interrogating me, after a couple of minutes of which he let me go.

I also have plenty of white friends, some Jewish, some not, who were stopped and ACTUALLY frisked in New York.

None were ever found with any sort of contraband that I'm aware of.

The simple overriding fact regarding "stop and frisk" is the same overriding fact relating to airline security. An insane obsession with ignoring demographic facts that every child is aware of causes ALL of us to be subject to the intrusive and ugly hand of the police surveillance state.

Most Americans have the character to be part of a High Trust Society but our insane decision to tolerate all sorts of evil from minority segments OF minority groups causes us all to be treated roughly as though we were potential mass-murderers.

Anonymous said...

He can run for president of Elysium.

Anonymous said...

I'm shamelessly using this thread to respond to the old thread about perfect casting for a hypothetical Bonfire of the Vanities remake.

Rev. Bacon: Isiah Whitlock, Jr., hands down (Clay Davis on The Wire..."Sheeeeeeiiiiiiitttttt")

Kramer: Jonah Hill, Chris Pratt from Parks and Rec. Or, Jesse Eisenberg gains 50 lbs for role, wins Oscar for best supporting actor.

Sherman McCoy: Ben Affleck is perfect. Not because of acting ability, but because he has exactly the personality...boring, not especially likeable, but a decent enough guy nonetheless. Or Joshua Jackson.

Judy: Teri Hatcher or Macia Cross from Desparate Housewives. Or Andrea Roth. Maybe a really skinny Reese Whitherspoon.

Maria: Jennifer Lawrence

Fallow: Russell Brand. A younger Denis Leary could have worked if you made the character American.

Kovitzky: Jackie Earle Haley

Anonymous said...

This might explain why Thomas Sowell is so ignored outside the tiny readership of explicitly conservative press. You'd think the antibodies would swarm him, being a highly intelligent, conservative black. But he's such an outlier that there's no risk he'll draw blacks out of the coalition. Now if there were an Asian or Jewish writer going around pointing out how the two smartest ethnic groups probably have more common ground with NASCAR whites than ghetto blacks or homosexuals...


-Jostein

Marlowe said...

Can someone tell me whether Tommy Chong or Cheech Marin ever advised Jimmy Carter?

Peter Brimelow appears as a gay motorcyclist in their 1980 flick Cheech and Chong's next movie. Pity they spelled his name wrong.

Anonymous said...

When 63% percent of Republicans believe that Obama is not born in the US; when the comment section of virtually any of your columns suggest that should HBD become widely accepted then not being white inevitably means Auschwitz like scenarios for the non white; when you write article suggesting that you can become a billionaire (in the media business dominated by your Askenazi Jew heroes no less!) without having any judgement to know when you are being discriminated due to race and not just lazy sales people then you may start to realize that Asian Americans favor lower taxes, favor tough on crime, are absolutely against immigration reform, are more socially conservative than Mike Huckabee but yet oh so puzzlingly vote Democratic!

A few questions for you though

What gene is it within Christians that make them prone to mass slaughter of different races as the one perpetrated by Hitler? (Would you agree that if the Muslims were in charge in 1940s we would have 12 million more Jews today?)

What gene is it within white people that make them prone to slaughter those of a different class ala Stalin?

Why is it that regardless of race and color societies that adopted rational skepticism and openess such as the Chinese, early days of the Ottomans, Babylonians, Moors etc flourished? Its only when Europeans discovered the game during the Renaissance did they start to flourish and it took them 1500 years to figure it out!

Why do Republicans who imposed a $50000 debt per household for the Iraq war for no good reason while slaughtering a million Iraquis and killing or maiming 30000 Americans is considered fiscally sound but when tax rates are below 14% of GNP Obama is considered reckless?

Hopefully my questions have given you source material for a few good blog posts!

Cheers!

Average Joe said...

What gene is it within Christians that make them prone to mass slaughter of different races as the one perpetrated by Hitler?

No such gene exists since Christians are no more likely to engage in violence than other religious groups.

Would you agree that if the Muslims were in charge in 1940s we would have 12 million more Jews today?

No. Muslims hate Jews.

What gene is it within white people that make them prone to slaughter those of a different class ala Stalin?

No such gene exists. If you want to see large scale slaughter I would suggest that you go to Africa and see what the blacks are doing to each other.

Why is it that regardless of race and color societies that adopted rational skepticism and openess such as the Chinese, early days of the Ottomans, Babylonians, Moors etc flourished?

Where are the Ottomans, Babylonians and Moors today? Also the Chinese are technologically backward compared to us which is why they are migrating to the United States but we are not migrating to China.

Its only when Europeans discovered the game during the Renaissance did they start to flourish and it took them 1500 years to figure it out!

The reason why it took us longer is that we wanted to get it right which is why Europe and the United States are the most advanced regions of the world today.

Why do Republicans who imposed a $50000 debt per household for the Iraq war for no good reason while slaughtering a million Iraquis and killing or maiming 30000 Americans is considered fiscally sound but when tax rates are below 14% of GNP Obama is considered reckless?

Unfortunately, the GOP is controlled by the neocons which is why they do such crazy things as invade Iraq and invite ThirdWorlders to migrate to the United States.

when the comment section of virtually any of your columns suggest that should HBD become widely accepted then not being white inevitably means Auschwitz like scenarios for the non white

Could you provide a link to some of those posts?

when you write article suggesting that you can become a billionaire (in the media business dominated by your Askenazi Jew heroes no less!) without having any judgement to know when you are being discriminated due to race and not just lazy sales people

In other words, Oprah would never lie in order to suit her own agenda such as promoting a new movie that she has coming out?

Anonymous said...

What gene is it within Christians that make them prone to mass slaughter of different races as the one perpetrated by Hitler? (Would you agree that if the Muslims were in charge in 1940s we would have 12 million more Jews today?)

What gene is it within white people that make them prone to slaughter those of a different class ala Stalin?

Why is it that regardless of race and color societies that adopted rational skepticism and openess such as the Chinese, early days of the Ottomans, Babylonians, Moors etc flourished? Its only when Europeans discovered the game during the Renaissance did they start to flourish and it took them 1500 years to figure it out!


Please see this list at Wikipedia before condemning the Christians. Check out the Muslim Conquest of India and the various man-made disasters in China. I think you'll find that non-Europeans more than hold their own in the killing game.

countenance said...

Kal Penn also played one of the second batch of fellow physicians on House. In fact, they wrote his character's suicide into the show when Penn decided to take a job in the Obama WH.

Anonymous #2 above: The "Questioning" in SQF makes a SQF stop a perfectly constitutional Terry v Ohio stop.

Anonymous said...

"Would you agree that if the Muslims were in charge in 1940s we would have 12 million more Jews today?"

Not if those Jews were working in NYC skyscrapers.

green mamba said...

"The only way to hold together demographic fringe groups like blacks, Mexicans, Asians, gays, single moms, white liberals, and so forth is to encourage resentment of the core of the country."

...which Penn has done in his trashy Kumar movies, which portray whites as objects of derision.

green mamba said...

"Most Americans have the character to be part of a High Trust Society but our insane decision to tolerate all sorts of evil from minority segments OF minority groups causes us all to be treated roughly as though we were potential mass-murderers."

...and also poisons relations between men and women, as decent white men are regarded as potential rapists by white women because of the high incidence of rape by a very different sector of the population.

Monroe Ficus said...

Anonymous Said:
Why is it that regardless of race and color societies that adopted rational skepticism and openess such as the Chinese, early days of the Ottomans, Babylonians, Moors etc flourished?

The sons of the Ottomans and the Moors are doing quite well in Egypt, arent they?

And for your belief in the supremacy of the middle kingdom:
"And I for one, welcome are new Asiatic overlords"

Anonymous said...

"Please see this list at Wikipedia before condemning the Christians. Check out the Muslim Conquest of India and the various man-made disasters in China. I think you'll find that non-Europeans more than hold their own in the killing game."

Not to mention China's cultural revolution, Pol Pot's decimation of Cambodia, the Hutu-Tutsi dance. Off the top of my head.

Anonymous said...

I, a harmless middle class white commuter, had my knapsack searched once in Penn Station, once in the subway and one time, again in Penn Station, they swiped my bag with a gauze pad and did some type of chemical analysis with a handheld meter of some sort. I think I was targeted for reading this blog.

It wouldn't bother me so much if, in Penn Station, not long after 9-11, a black kid had not gottten away with stabbing somebody, in the afternoon, amidst the army soldiers, police dogs, police golf carts and security cameras.

Anonymous said...

lol, the New York media running round annoyed that the ethnic cleansing of black people from Manhattan is having problems - "find someone to defend S&F who isn't white!"

Anonymous said...

"Most Americans have the character to be part of a High Trust Society but our insane decision to tolerate all sorts of evil from minority segments OF minority groups causes us all to be treated roughly as though we were potential mass-murderers."

It's not "our" insane decision. It's the decision of the New York and Hollywood media to censor the truth about violent crime for 50 years that is responsible.

They won't admit the scale of the problem among the black population and they won't admit that mass bluecollar immigration into any neighborhood always leads to the violent ethnic cleansing of the recieving population - not through mass action but through the collective effect of lots of individual violent incidents.

Not only does the media censorship prevent any solution to these problems with all the resulting bloodshed - and we're talking millions of victims over 50 years - but at the same time as they're getting lots of other people stabbed, shot, raped or killed they want to cover up the use of stop and frisk to cleanse the black population out of where they themselves live *and* on top of that they also go out of their way to get people like Zimmerman killed simply as a way of deflecting attention from what they're doing in New York.

The media are utter scum.

Anonymous said...

the Iraq war for no good reason while slaughtering a million Iraquis


Okay, I am a total anti-Iraq war fellow traveller, but I haven't seen this 1,000,000 civilian death estimate before. Why do you think it is accurate?

Anonymous said...

Lebanonymous said: Its only when Europeans discovered the game during the Renaissance did they start to flourish and it took them 1500 years to figure it out!

.................................................................................

Are you suggesting that Europe was a stagnant, intolerant dump during the Pax Romana?

-The Judean People's Fromt

peterike said...

Its only when Europeans discovered the game during the Renaissance did they start to flourish and it took them 1500 years to figure it out!

Ummm.... ** cough cough ** Greece and Rome *** cough cough ****

Anonymous said...

"are more socially conservative than Mike Huckabee but yet oh so puzzlingly vote Democratic!"

Socially conservative people also tend to be tribal or nationalistic or religously bigoted in their thinking - which is why the voting pattern is not puzzling at all. As shown by the rest of your post.

I'd bet at least half of the Democrat voters with dual nationality will vote for conservative or even nationalist parties back where their ethnic group are the majority population.


nb Any question that starts "Why do Republicans..." (meaning why do Republican politicians do or say x) the answer is lobbyists paid them to do or say x. Democrat politicians betray the old America for ideology. Republican politicians do it for the money.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 5:28 posted a lengthy screed of dubious grammar, dishonest assertions and dumb questions. I know we shouldn't feed the trolls, but to reply to some of his vaguely coherent points:

Do you have a source for your assertion 63% percent of Republicans believe that Obama is not born in the US?

Can you cite some specific examples where iSteve commentators said accepting HBD means Auschwitz for non-whites?

(I'll leave your bizarre statements about becoming a billionaire in the media business, the Jews and Asian-Americans aside for now. Perhaps an iSteve reader can provide a translation in English.)

You ask "what gene is it within Christians that make them prone to mass slaughter of different races as the one perpetrated by Hitler."

Obviously, you've never heard of the massacres Muslims committed against Christians which sparked off the crusades. You may also want to look up Genghis Khan, too. As for Mr. Hitler, I seem to recall it was Christian nations which defeated him.

You ask "what gene is it within white people that make them prone to slaughter those of a different class ala Stalin."

Obviously you've never heard of a Chinese guy called Mao Tse Tung. Or another Asian dude called Pol Pot. Pity.

You ask/assert: Why is it that regardless of race and color societies that adopted rational skepticism and openess such as the Chinese, early days of the Ottomans, Babylonians, Moors etc flourished?

I'd ask to what extent these civilizations flourished, given that none of them came even close to reaching the standard of living white people pioneered by, oh, 1810I'd also ask just how "skeptical" and "open" these societies were given they were all overrun by the Europeans.

Finally, the costs of the Iraq War. Obviously, you're new here, so please look up Steve's Invade the World/Invite the World characterization of US (both Democrat and Republican) policy.

This isn't a neocon site. Most of us here didn't support the war in Iraq -- unlike, er, the New York Times, The Washington Post, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, the Clintons (yes, both of them) and um, the majority of Democratic congress creatures and Senators who voted in favor of Mr. Bush's war.

I was wondering what happened to Kumar's dope-smoking buddy Harold.
Now I know.

Mr Lomez said...

Now if there were an Asian or Jewish writer going around pointing out how the two smartest ethnic groups probably have more common ground with NASCAR whites than ghetto blacks or homosexuals...

Jews and Asians don't have more common ground with NASCAR whites than with ghetto blacks. Culturally, Jews and Asians have roughly zero in common with either group.

And you're wrong about the second point too. Jews especially have A LOT in common with homosexuals. Hollywood is basically just a big gay/Jewish mash-up.

Zoink said...

"... how rickety the diverse Obama Coalition actually is. The only way to hold together demographic fringe groups ... is to encourage resentment of the core of the country."

Or start massive wars in the Middle East, encourage Wall Street's ripping apart one American industry after another, celebrate and defend pollution and deforestation as concerns only for hippies, and try to dismantle public schools, Medicare, and Social Security.

The Democratic coalition is quite strong and stable for a reason. "Resentment of core America" is far from the "only thing" holding together Democrats, it isn't even on the top 100.

Matthew said...

Kal Penn's politics can be summed up in two words: who/whom.

White conservatives are racists. Penn and his fellow Indian-Americans are not.

Penn supports stop-and-frisk because it's clearing the blacks and Hispanics out of places which are in the process of being taken over by Asians. If it were only happening in places like Birmingham and Charlotte he'd tweet as though it were the second coming of Selma.

Anonymous said...

The truth is that everyone has a pretty hard view of blacks but immigrants are more vocal about it, like the Russian woman in the PHiladelphia Magazine story who asked why we put up with black men hanging around drinking and catcalling women and not working.

But everyone has a hard view of blacks. They have ruined every area they've taken over and people resent it. It makes it harder to find an apartment when so many areas are off limits because of black criminality and violence. Their kids are ineducable but that doesn't stop government from pouring money into their schools. Everyone is just fed up with blacks! I'm tired of hearing about Emmet Till (and I'm tired of hearing about Anne Frank,too). Plenty of bad, horrible things have happened in the last 50 years, certainly plenty of horrific crimes committed by blacks.

Anonymous said...

Now if there were an Asian or Jewish writer going around pointing out how the two smartest ethnic groups probably have more common ground with NASCAR whites than ghetto blacks or homosexuals...

Everyone has more in common with one another than with Blacks.

Mr. Anon said...

"Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not to mention China's cultural revolution, Pol Pot's decimation of Cambodia, the Hutu-Tutsi dance. Off the top of my head."

And don't forget the Tai-Ping rebellion - the bloodiest civil war in history.

Mr. Anon said...

F**k Kal Penn. Seriously. That little twerp did nothing but take a dump all over this country in the Harold and Kumar movies. Poor little oppressed Indians. If they are here it is because they wanted to be here. If they are unwilling to show some gratitude, then screw them. We owe them nothing. I hope the black grievance industry destroys his career and reduces him to being nothing but Kunnal Nayyar's stand-in.

Anonymous said...

"What gene is it within Christians that make them prone to mass slaughter of different races as the one perpetrated by Hitler? (Would you agree that if the Muslims were in charge in 1940s we would have 12 million more Jews today?)"

Do white people more often slaughter people of different races more often than other races do when all situations are standardized and normed? I bet not.

The question about the Muslims is ridiculous. Jews lived, primarily, in Eastern Europe. The Muslims would not have been in charge in that region. However, given the chance, I think that many Muslims would love to eradicate all the Jews.


"What gene is it within white people that make them prone to slaughter those of a different class ala Stalin?"

This is a terrible question. All white people are not the same. The distribution of white personality traits differs by region. You can find a ton of write-ups across the HBD sphere on this. Agnostic's write-up of personality by farming and community type is interesting and there are others who write on the same topic. I think it was on Gene Expression years ago where a map showed that the people most supportive of freedom were English and as you spread East, that particular personality trait, diminished. I am also not sure how prone white people, of any region, are to slaughtering people of a different social class. I don't see it.

"Why is it that regardless of race and color societies that adopted rational skepticism and openess such as the Chinese, early days of the Ottomans, Babylonians, Moors etc flourished? Its only when Europeans discovered the game during the Renaissance did they start to flourish and it took them 1500 years to figure it out!"

Since when are Western Europeans considered to be lower than normal in "openness?" That is an absurd assertion. Europe was also far from backwards during the Middle Ages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_technology If you study the HBD sphere you will also find many write-ups on supposed reasons for European ascension. Likely reasons include the lowering of the population through plague and the reproductive success of those with future time orientation vs the more rutty individuals victimized by disease and violence.

"Why do Republicans who imposed a $50000 debt per household for the Iraq war for no good reason while slaughtering a million Iraquis and killing or maiming 30000 Americans is considered fiscally sound but when tax rates are below 14% of GNP Obama is considered reckless?"

Republicans are idiots and few are anything but traitors and nitwits. I don't know many people of high need for cognition and considerable maturity who believe that Reagan, Bush I or Bush II was fiscally responsible. Reagan increased the illegal population and thus cannot be considered fiscally responsible over the long haul; he also set into place the highly corrupt growth of the defense industry. Obama's policies are the worst, however, because he actually seems to dislike America and seems to favor socialist and communist policies for the masses. His love of regulation is a massive disaster that the masses cannot comprehend.

"Hopefully my questions have given you source material for a few good blog posts!"

Your questions are pathetic and reflect a lack of interest in the pertinent subject matter. Trying to understanding the hundreds of variables that accumulate and interact to form a society is what HBD is all about. If you are going to troll, at least be funny like Truth.

sunbeam said...

One Anonymous wrote this:

"Please see this list at Wikipedia before condemning the Christians. Check out the Muslim Conquest of India and the various man-made disasters in China. I think you'll find that non-Europeans more than hold their own in the killing game."

To be fair (or unfair) you can link Christianity to one of those, the Tai Peng Rebellion:

"The Taiping Rebellion was a massive civil war in southern China from 1850 to 1864, against the ruling Manchu-led Qing Dynasty. It was a millenarian movement led by Hong Xiuquan, who announced that he had received visions in which he learned that he was the younger brother of Jesus. At least 20 million people died, mainly civilians, in one of the deadliest military conflicts in history.[4]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion

China seems like it has had a lot of these. The numbers are always bigger there. I think there were more fatalities than died in World War One, but I'm too lazy to google more. I kind of assume there was more going on than a new messiah wannabe, but others can comment if they choose.

Wow, that An Lushan Rebellion must have been something else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Shi_Rebellion

"Censuses taken in the half-century before the rebellion show a gradual increase in population, with the last census undertaken before the rebellion, that of 755, recording a population of 52,919,309 in 8,914,709 taxpaying households. However a census taken in 764, the year following the end of the rebellion, recorded only 16,900,000 in 2,900,000 households. Later censuses count only households, but by 855 this figure had risen to only 4,955,151 households, little over half the number recorded in 755.[13] Some scholars have interpreted the difference in the census figures as implying the deaths of 36 million people, about two-thirds of the population of the empire. This figure was used in Steven Pinker's book The Better Angels of Our Nature, where it is presented as proportionally the largest atrocity in history with the loss of a sixth of the world's population at that time,[14] though Pinker noted that the figure was controversial.[15]"

Funcrusher said...

"Please see this list at Wikipedia before condemning the Christians. Check out the Muslim Conquest of India and the various man-made disasters in China. I think you'll find that non-Europeans more than hold their own in the killing game."

Not to mention China's cultural revolution, Pol Pot's decimation of Cambodia, the Hutu-Tutsi dance. Off the top of my head.


Europeans aren't evil, but they did attempt to rule the world in every sense of the phrase; and for a while they actually succeeded.

If others were in the position to do so, they may have done it too, but history is history. At least China kept its' craziness regional.

NAM problems in white countries are the long term result of European attempts to subjugate non-white races.

john marzan said...

re Kumar, former Obama aide, defends stop-and-frisk

sailer: "I think one answer is because the dominant media mindset includes a subliminal awareness of how rickety the diverse Obama Coalition actually is."

Lawsuit: Chivas USA Soccer Team Hired 'Undocumented' Coaches, Discriminated Against Non-Hispanic Employees

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2013/08/15/lawsuit-Chivas-Discriminated-Against-Non-Hispanics

" Vergara reportedly began one of his first staff meetings by speaking in Spanish and then, according to the report, said in English, “If you didn’t understand what I just said, then it is time for you to get a job down the hall." The Los Angeles Galaxy soccer team is down the hall from Chivas USA.

According to the Breeze, Craig said she attempted to ask team executives to clarify Vergara’s statements for employees.
“Plaintiff again told (team president) David, this time in front of the entire management team, that the staff was shocked and offended by Vergara’s discriminatory statements,” the complaint states. “David asserted that the statements were just ‘black humor,’ and that if people wanted to resign, that would be fine with him.”"

Silver said...

"Okay, I am a total anti-Iraq war fellow traveller, but I haven't seen this 1,000,000 civilian death estimate before. Why do you think it is accurate?"

He's probably referring to the preposterous Lancet "study." He's an obvious anti-white crackpot. I wouldn't bother engaging him in serious discussion.

sunbeam said...

Hmmm if anyone ready my post with the An Lushan stuff, apparently in 755 one fourth of the human race lived in the Chinese empire.

If you were a dispassionate Alien observer, human history would appear to be mostly the history of China.

Europe is pretty much a sideshow, though I imagine the population levels in Europe at that time were a lot lower than when Rome was at its height.

Silver said...

"The Democratic coalition is quite strong and stable for a reason. "Resentment of core America" is far from the "only thing" holding together Democrats, it isn't even on the top 100."

Rofl. Might want to take a mulligan there champ.

Dr Van Nostrand said...

It is rumored that "Kal Penn" and Obama are an item.
Contrast this with Obamas Pakistani friend" in Columbia who was the probable reason for his trip to Pakistan.
And now Obama is drone happy in Pakistan while he is rather cozy with India.
Obama maybe the first bi Muslim socialist black President(well apart from William Howard Taft!)but what is more interesting the he is probably the most Indophile personage to occupy the White House.
From his staffing of Indian Americans in his cabinets, his dashing off to India to console himself after the drubbing of November 2010 ,the celebration of Diwali in the White House is grander than before,his carrying a statuette of Hanuman for good luck or the fact that Pakistan never gave India any major trouble since he took office!

I personally loathe Obama and his policies, but I look fondly on these developments.

This is why Indian Americans went overwhelmingly for Obama. He reached out to them and flattered them.And to a lesser degree with Asian Americans.And really due to any fondness for the Democratic platform.

These communities still go for the person than the positions.This is what Republicans dont understand. Blandness ala McCain and Romney ,no matter how well meaning,just wont cut it.

Dr Van Nostrand said...

When 63% percent of Republicans believe that Obama is not born in the US;"

Please provide references for the same.

" when the comment section of virtually any of your columns suggest that should HBD become widely accepted then not being white inevitably means Auschwitz like scenarios for the non white; "

I am not white neither am I fan a fan HBD absolutists and yes there are paranoid anti semite posters here but even they dont approve of Aushwitz. And their Holocaust denialism is something I find revolting but a part of it is due to a belief that those who they look upto wouldnt be capable of those atrocities.


when you write article suggesting that you can become a billionaire (in the media business dominated by your Askenazi Jew heroes no less!) without having any judgement to know when you are being discriminated due to race and not just lazy sales people then you may start to realize that Asian Americans favor lower taxes, favor tough on crime, are absolutely against immigration reform, are more socially conservative than Mike Huckabee but yet oh so puzzlingly vote Democratic!"


This question is pretty jumbled.Please rephrase...


"A few questions for you though

What gene is it within Christians that make them prone to mass slaughter of different races as the one perpetrated by Hitler? "

Hitler wasnt really a mainstream Christian per se. He considered a Jewish plot of some sort. He did use Catholic and Protestant institutions to further his perverse agenda but he believed in a bizarre paganism filtered through the structure of organized christianity ala Wagner.

Also you confusing religion(christianity) with race.
Please think more clearly before you pose a question

"(Would you agree that if the Muslims were in charge in 1940s we would have 12 million more Jews today?)"

Not really. Hitler mentioned to ALbert Speer that he wished Germany was Muslim rather than Christian as they were less squeamish about the type of war he desired.
You are simply too ignorant to realize that his allies were Bosnian Muslims(whose descendents idiot Jews like Robert Kaplan helped save in the 1990s) and Palestinian Islamist as well Egyptian monarchy,Jordanian,Iraqi monarchies and revolutionaries.

Dr Van Nostrand said...


"What gene is it within white people that make them prone to slaughter those of a different class ala Stalin?"

Mongols,Tangs,Hans,Turks who slaugthered 10s of millions were not white

Hutus slaughtered Tutsis at a higher rate than Nazis killed Jews.

Also Stalin was Georgian who many Russians and Europeans dont consider that white

"Why is it that regardless of race and color societies that adopted rational skepticism and openess such as the Chinese, early days of the Ottomans,"

Ottomans, are you serious?

Babylonians, Moors etc flourished? Its only when Europeans discovered the game during the Renaissance did they start to flourish and it took them 1500 years to figure it out!"

I will take place 2nd place to none when it comes to battling Eurocentric biases in history. However the above is nonsense.No serious Euro historian denies Arab contributions to sciences.But Arabs themselves were honest enough to credit much of their knowledge to classical Greeks, Assyrian and Egyptian Christians as well as Hindu Indians(decimal system and trignometry).

And what differentiates Europeans from the rest is a spirit of free(or freer) inquiry and the ability and rights to criticize ruling authorities as well as religious bodies ,indeed the very idea of God. Try THAT in China or the Ottoman empire!



Why do Republicans who imposed a $50000 debt per household for the Iraq war for no good reason while slaughtering a million Iraquis and killing or maiming 30000 Americans is considered fiscally sound but when tax rates are below 14% of GNP Obama is considered reckless?"

Your numbers are a tad askew.
Million Iraqis nonsense is promoting by anti war loons. "Killing or maiming" reminds me of "jobs saved or created".Enough said.
Anyway even if 30k were killed, it is far less than the Vietnam war brought to you by the Democrats
Anyway who believes Obama is less prone to reckless spending than Bush is living in a fantasy world

Hopefully my questions have given you source material for a few good blog posts!"

Frankly yours is an idiot post. And you have not provided any grist for the mill. It is honestly like correcting a 18 year old when he claims 2+2=9. An awkward situation for both parties but sadly like the hypothetical late teen you dont realize you are stupid.But we try anyway , thank you for believing that such questions will create a discussion worthy of Paris Salon in 1800s (it is actually quite adorable you believe that).But as I said this response is more for you than for us

Whiskey said...

With Oprah worth 2.2 billion take a look at most Whites. They worship Black people because they are so different. That's why Obama is President. That's why Oprah has her billions.

Whites need to lie about Black dysfunction the way women do about alpha males. Women don't distrust White guys over Black rape stats but bc White guys are boring unsexy bet males.

As for the center of the Nation it is Obamas coalition. White births last year were under fifty percent. The center of the nation is Blacks, Hispanics, gays, and single White women like Sandra Fluke. White guys are the weird fringe who got ejected from the Presidency and will never return. You will not see another White guy President ever barring omething awful to elevate Biden.

White guys are just a weird fringe now, neither Black nor gay nor Muslim nor Hispanic. No one can even imagine them President. Not even in movies.

Anonymous said...

An awkward situation for both parties but sadly like the hypothetical late teen you dont realize you are stupid.But we try anyway , thank you for believing that such questions will create a discussion worthy of Paris Salon in 1800s (it is actually quite adorable you believe that).

I wouldn't say he's stupid. He's merely uninterested in facts that contradict his worldview. He's basically a religious person whose gods are mortal - leftist personalities and organizations that dispense streams of wisdom he takes as gospel truth and his guide to virtue.

Anonymous said...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-23698181

Anonymous said...

Blame the hindu for what lib whites, Jews, and homos had been tacitly supporting for a decade.

Anonymous said...

Blacks were treated in NY like how Palestinians were treated inn the Occupied Territories. Indeed, Bloomy might have gotten his idear from Israelis. Blacks = street terrorists.

Mr. Anon said...

I hope that the grievance industry destroys Penn's career and reduces him to being a stand-in for Kunnal Nayyar. Screw Penn. The Harold and Kumar movies were nothing but one long screed about how awful white america is (except for white women, of course!). Indians came here for opportunities they didn't have in their own country and then decided to jump on the racism-mongering wagon. They are here by their own choice. If they don't like it, they should leave.

Anonymous said...

"What gene is it within Christians that make them prone to mass slaughter of different races as the one perpetrated by Hitler? (Would you agree that if the Muslims were in charge in 1940s we would have 12 million more Jews today?)" - Given that the Muslims in 1940 allied with Hitler(and still show wide support for him) I am going to have to go with no on that one.

"What gene is it within white people that make them prone to slaughter those of a different class ala Stalin?" - You mean Beria, Kaganovich and the rest? You should read up on who actually did the slaughtering there, it was primarly the Slavic christians who were the victims of what was done.

"Why is it that regardless of race and color societies that adopted rational skepticism and openess such as the Chinese, early days of the Ottomans, Babylonians, Moors etc flourished? Its only when Europeans discovered the game during the Renaissance did they start to flourish and it took them 1500 years to figure it out!" - Actually Europe had a higher GDP per capita than those areas roughly a thousand years ago. Our ancesters were not quite as poor off as some would like to portray them.

"Why do Republicans who imposed a $50000 debt per household for the Iraq war for no good reason while slaughtering a million Iraquis and killing or maiming 30000 Americans is considered fiscally sound but when tax rates are below 14% of GNP Obama is considered reckless?" - Neither of those is non-discretionary spending, so they aren't particularly pertinent to our financial woes. If you want to talk about moral wrongs, we certainly should never have gotten anywhere near as involved in the Middleeast as we did, and it is a shame that Obama is continuing to not learn from that mistake.

"Hopefully my questions have given you source material for a few good blog posts!" - No problem, there are plenty of misconceptions going around, they definitely need to be aired and corrected.

Biggus said...

Kal Penn was just an actor on the Harold and Kumar movies. The writers and director ought to be blamed for the films hatred of America. The director was Danny Leiner. The writers were Jon Hurwitz and Hayden Schlossberg

Average Joe said...

Europeans aren't evil, but they did attempt to rule the world in every sense of the phrase; and for a while they actually succeeded.

And the world is a better place for it. Africa would be a much better place to live in today if Europeans controlled it the way they did one hundred years ago.

Average Joe said...

Women don't distrust White guys over Black rape stats but bc White guys are boring unsexy bet males.

Stop pretending that all white guys are like you. Unlike you, most white guys can get laid.

Average Joe said...

If you were a dispassionate Alien observer, human history would appear to be mostly the history of China

Then why is China less advanced than Europe and the United States? To me, human history would appear to be the story of how a minority of the human species - the Europeans - became the dominant group on the planet.

Anonymous said...

I've seen here repeated claims and insinuations that Jewish individuals were more greatly to blame for Stalin's murders than were non-Jews.

As a Jew, knowing myself, my colleagues and my history, I find that to be exceedingly unlikely.

At the same time, I genuinely enjoy encountering those rare occasions where the unlikely turns out to have been accurate.

So if there were some way to remove the monster biases that people bring to this subject (including my own, which, I'm working on) I'd love to know what the actual facts of the case are.

I will NOT waste a few weeks reading the garbage of sick people who track down any individual whom they claim had some Jewish ancestry and whose role in some disaster is widely exaggerated by armchair american antisemites with no access to unvarnished facts. So please don;t recommend such readings.

But if you're convinced that more full blooded Jews were knowingly and directly responsible for massacres that killed thousands of people - most usually by themselves pulling the trigger or commanding that someone in their presence do so - I'd love to hear about it.

Clims that the Rothschilds inspired all of the wars, yadda yadda yadda, whatever.

But the claims being made here (and on so many comment threads here) regarding Societs of full Jewish descent who engaged in massive slaughters of non-combatants seems - based on no scholarly knowledge - likely to be an extreme exaggeration at best.

I say that based on my knowledge of Jews.

You might read that as a source of "pride" in "my people" and maybe you'd be right but trust me when I say that being disproven (while anonymous at least) is a FAR greater pleasure to me than having "my people" praised for some trifling like being less bloodthirsty than some other races.

So, if you have some view on the subject please enlighten us.

And if Steve is curious about the subject I'd love for this to be made into a fresh post so that a greater quality and quantity of commenters will share their thoughts and knowledge.

Thanks, all the best.

M

Anonymous said...

The "We Hate Hate" coalition went right to work to get him back into line.

http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/08/stop_and_frisk_south_asians_and_kal_penns_tweets.html