February 5, 2014

Time: Chinese woman says calling Amy Chua racist is racist

Chen, not Chua
From Time Magazine:
Why the Tiger Mom’s New Book Makes You Nervous 
When it comes to discussing success in America, we're still afraid to talk about race 
By Vivia Chen Jan. 31, 2014
   
Amy Chua is an easy whipping post. After all, she’s the iconic Tiger Mom who blithely bragged about her extreme parenting methods in her book 2011 Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother. Overnight, she became the archetype of the nightmare Asian mom, hell bent on raising uber-achievers at all cost. 
I thought Battle Hymn was a humorous, breezy read, but many people (who probably never read the book) were outraged. ... This time, though, Chua is condemned not just as an arrogant elitist and abusive mother but something else: racist. 
Suketu Mehta writes in TIME that the book represents “the new racism—and I take it rather personally.” Mehta adds that “the language of racism in America has changed . . . It’s not about skin color anymore—it’s about ‘cultural traits.’” 
In a follow-up to Mehta’s article, Anna Holmes argues that the “new racism” in The Triple Package is just a continuation of “the same old racism.” Her verdict on the book: “It’s the same old garbage, in a slightly different, Ivy League-endorsed disguise.” 
The tenor of a lot of the criticism has been angry, hostile and extremely personal (Chua seems to get singled out much more so than her husband). And, I think, racist. The fact that some of the slings come from minority group members doesn’t make the criticisms less vicious. 
What gives the attacks a distinct racist tinge is that Chua is reduced to a stereotype—a Dragon Lady, of sorts. This time, though, the Dragon Lady is not the evil seducer of old Fu Manchu movies, but the new evangelist of racial superiority. Maureen Callahan writes in the New York Post: “[Chua] used her heritage and all the worst stereotypes of Chinese women — cold, rigid Dragon Ladies.” ...
Chen is the creator and chief blogger of the Careerist and a senior reporter at the American Lawyer. The views expressed are solely her own.
   

139 comments:

Anonymous said...

Someone call me racist. I'm the only true racist in the whole world. Race is real, it exists, and racial differences exist. Yes, proud to be racist.

Anonymous said...

"When it comes to discussing success in America, we're still afraid to talk about race"

I'm not. Many are afraid because the elite-controlled media, government, and academia threaten people.

Anonymous said...

Saying 'racist' means 'taboo, taboo, violation, violation, not allowed to talk about that'.

Anonymous said...

"After all, she’s the iconic Tiger Mom who blithely bragged about her extreme parenting methods in her book 2011 Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother."

I keep hearing this but it's not true. The book is about how 'tiger parenting' worked for girl #1 but didn't with girl #2. It's about the education of Amy Chua that theory and practice are two different things.

I can understand twitter-verse turning everything into a blurb, headline, or simplification, but even long articles do the same, misrepresenting books and ideas.

Comedy is when theory meets practice. I guess tragedy is when practice meets theory.

Anonymous said...

One good thing thing about 'diversity'. At least we have color vs color than colors all bitching about whites.

Anonymous said...

“It’s the same old garbage, in a slightly different, Ivy League-endorsed disguise.”

So, entire fields of thought are dismissed outright as 'garbage'.
Great intellectual attitude.
We are right, you are wrong. We are gold, you are garbage.
With such attitudes, no wonder PC dominates. Such arrogance.

Anonymous said...

"cold, rigid Dragon Ladies"

But Chua's personality is hot and passionate. The cold and rigid ones are the neo-puritanical PC commissars who dismiss any heretical idea as 'garbage'.

Anonymous said...

We are all racists now.

But I was the first and foremost racist.

Anonymous said...

This is just an elevation of the classic playground verbal defense: "I know you are, but what am I?"

We can use this too. Calling white people racist is racist. QED.

IHTG said...

Yo dawg, I herd you like accusations of racism, so I put racism in your accusations of racism so you can be racist while you accuse of racism

Anonymous said...

Though I'm not a fan of Chua--she's obviously a political Lib and a member of the global elite class--, I relish two things about her.

She has a winning personality like Paglia. She is engaging on that level.

She opens up debate about issues and matters that 'polite society' is generally afraid to discuss. She may not do it in the most honest manner--but then, how could she in the current PC climate?--, but she will still notice things enough to start a debate, and intellectualism is about discussion and debate, not about sticking to official truisms and dismissing everything outside it as 'same old garbage'. Also, even the 'old garbage' can have some things of value, as recent revelations about Stephen J. Gould's skull theory proved. It turns out Gould's study was the real garbage whereas the 'old garbage' was true data-wise.

So, even though Chua is a popularizer and something of a self-promoter who will not go all the way, she has guts enough to talk about stuff that makes the ELITES nervous. Though elites pretend to be speaking up for the People, I'll bet most REAL people would want to discuss these matters. It's the elites that want to shut down debate and discussion on these matters because it undermines their own conceited 'progressive' paradigm that protects their priestly privilege in the name of fighting 'white privilege'.

Chua also undermines the BS that 'only whites have feelings of superiority'. She's courageous enough to admit that non-whites too have their victor as well as victim mind-sets. This prolly pisses off many people of color who only wanna play victim to whites.

Anyway, this was bound to happen. The Liberal paradigm had us believe that whites are uniquely evil and white 'racism' prevented non-whites from making it in America. But the fact is there are plenty of non-whites who not only make it but do even better than whites. But this fact was not supposed to be noticed. So, when Aff-act was ended in CA, the narrative was 'white numbers increase, minority numbers decrease', when, in fact, yellow numbers vastly increased. But shhhh about rising Asian enrollment. They are the new 'invisible minority'.

Funny. Libs say Asian women should fight the stereotype of being silent and demure, but they are now telling Chua to shut up and be mouth-binded.

Anonymous said...

Yesterday I was listening while driving to the official organ of leftist radio - NPR's On Point, which had both Chua and her hubby on to explain their allegedly "racist" attitudes in their book.
The normally meek beta male host Tom Ashbrook vigorously kept pressing them with interjections like "but so-and-so said your book was racist blah blah blah", as though it was some kind of evidence of the same. I believe Mehta might have been mentioned as well as one of the "authorities".

Rubenfeld and Chua, instead of challenging their accusers to explain how their book was "racist", kept pleading innocence and insisting it was all "cultural", highly malleable and, most important of all, not AT ALL biological (!!!). You see, anyone can do it, you just have to want, or perhaps just not be oppressed by the white power structure, to do so.

I would have gained some respect for them if they had stood up for themselves, but no.

A distasteful radio show trial all-in-all, whose only entertainment was provided by the fact that a Joo and "model minority" were accused of being enemies of the people after undoubtedly spending their lives doing the same others (they are Yale law profs, after all). Kind of like when the original Joo-ish bolsheviks and NKVD torturers got the same treatment from Stalin during the purges of the 1930s that they were inflicting on others. What goes around, comes around.




Anonymous said...

If only I had George Soros' money I would be a great leftier than thou agent provocateur to bring the whole mess down.

mel belli said...

Wanna hear something racist? Michelle could never have written any of that.
I wonder if Ms. Chen might someday tighten up the admission (or graduation) standards at Princeton.

mel belli said...

Wanna hear something racist? Michelle could never have written any of that.
I wonder if Ms. Chen might someday tighten up the admission (or graduation) standards at Princeton.

Harry Baldwin said...

Could all you post-1965 arrivals please return home? It turns out this whole multi-cultural thing is not working out. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

They need more KKKrazy Glue.

Anonymous said...

How PC works?

PC LORD: "People of color, stand up and speak up against white gentile privilege."

Chua: "But I notice that Jews and some people of color have lots of wealth and privilege too."

PC LORD: Shut up and off to Siberia!

So, PC isn't about liberating people of color to think and speak freely. It's turning them into obedient dogs to bark accordingly.

It's like Mao's "To rebel is justified."

You better 'rebel' only according to his wishes. If you rebel against him and notice he's a big fat pig with a lot of power, a bullet in your head.

Chua better be pekinese dog than dragon girl.



Anonymous said...

Amy on Fire. Burn the Witch. How globalism and diversity are making intellectual inquiry and debate very dangerous.

Anonymous said...

"They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these uh, these "civilized people," they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve.'

Anonymous said...

It's racist that you posted this. And it's racist that I pointed that out.

Anonymous said...

Is this Sailer pointing out a good example of Sailers law of female journalism?

The Anti-Gnostic said...

But Chua's personality is hot and passionate.

Polite terms for dyspeptic and status-obsessed.

Oswald Spengler said...

The epithet racist has been so freely thrown about by the modern left that it's become about as meaningful as fascist was when hurled by the old left.

Both terms pretty much boil down to "people who disagree with me that I wish to destroy or dominate (and most importantly, feel morally superior when doing so)."

Anonymous said...

I think elites are more afraid of the NEXT book than this one.

If she's allowed to get away with this one, next one might be even more troublesome.

So, stop her now.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
One good thing thing about 'diversity'. At least we have color vs color than colors all bitching about whites.

2/5/14, 4:13 PM"

There are only so many spots at Harvard and Goldman Sachs. Not everyone can be a winner. :-(

Prof. Woland said...

The Liberals have worked so hard to isolate and build a coalition against white Americans so it is probably their worst nightmare that Asians would join the conservatives.
They like to mock the Republicans for trying to make inroads with various identity groups but this time they might actually have some success. The republicans only need to pick off one identity group to screw up the Democratic coalition.

Anonymous said...

We need more Chinese-Americans in the Ivy League. Better yet, we need more Chinese-Americans to serve as Ivy League presidents.

This should be our cause.

Anonymous said...

Racist is a silly word, much like misogynist. I'd say the whitest of Whites are the least prejudiced people around. The evidence is all around us.

What a pack of ingrates these people are. Just plain rude, puffed up and shameless.

لم تكن كبيرة جدا!

as said...

Ha ha. A Chinese lady with a blog named "Careerist."

Anonymous said...

It will almost be worth losing our beloved country just to watch all the hilarious upcoming infighting.

Anonymous said...

About to buy a car. Any suggestions? Which one of these overachievers make the best cars?

Anonymous said...

Hey, this chief blogger from Careerist is on the cute side; Tiger mom Ally or not, she doesn't look a day over 60.

agnostic said...

At least this brou-ha-ha will finally put to rest the confused stereotype about Asian women being passive, demure, dainty, feminine, etc.

Just getting that term into circulation is enough -- "Dragon Lady."

Paco Wové said...

"in America, we're still afraid to talk about race"

That's a good one! Like we ever talk about anything else.

Rohan Swee said...

OT: Interesting story full of Sailer-bait: Gentrification, Section 8, lack of retail development in MLKBlvdville, etc., as Trader Joe's pulls out of poor Portland neighborhood. The eternal SWPL lebensraum vs. community "leaders" vs. actual community dwellers cage fight of American urban life.

Reg Cæsar said...

Anon said: Kind of like when the original Joo-ish bolsheviks and NKVD torturers got the same treatment from Stalin during the purges of the 1930s that they were inflicting on others.

So, you agree with Wilmot Robertson that Stalin wasn't a "Jooish" puppet. He said he had a hell of a time persuading his readers to accept that.

Chua seems to get singled out much more so than her husband --Chen on Chua

Let's use Occam's razorback here. Amy Chua and Charles Murray caught hell because they were already pop stars when the books they co-authored came out. How many of you had heard of Jed Rubenfeld or Richard Herrnstein before those books were published?

Rubenfeld just told the NYT Magazine that his last book sold six copies, and Amy bought four of those. Herrnstein's quick death just added to his own obscurity. Yes, Jed and Dick are Jewish, too, but that didn't do much good for Michael Levin and Paul Gottfried, did it? Or, somewhat down the intellectual ladder, Michael Richards.

It does get Noam Chomsky some strange fans on racialist sites, though.

Reg Cæsar said...

Harry Baldwin: Could all you post-1965 arrivals please return home?

Is that a typo? Shouldn't that be "post-1865"? Or "post-1765"?

Actually, the least assimilable lot came in 1619, before the Mayflower.

Maxwell Power said...

Was trying to remember where I'd seen the photo before; it turned out I'd e-mailed an article from that blog -- about Madonna dressing inappropriately, or some crap like that -- to my mother last year (and quickly forgot it until I searched the blog name now). Seems as if Chua will be able to tap a "broad" troll army for her defense. Yeah, exciting

hair/pedicure/nails triple package said...

re: "Chen, not Chua" -- now that made me laugh. Before reading the post itself I thought to my generic white guy memory that it must be that Korean HLS professor. Except when you search Harvard+Law+Korean+professor in Google Images, Chua is one of the top results. Bwahahahahahahah

The Taiping Point said...

...I relish her...
...she has guts to talk about stuff that makes ELITES nervous...
Funny. Libs say Asian women should fight the stereotype of being silent and demure, but they are now telling Chua to shut up and be mouth-binded.

Do you work for Random House? Wasn't Chua just booked on Katie Couric's talk show? Plus the 20-gun send-off from Time. I accept that in multi-cultist America the forms that Publishing Gold will take may end up looking strange by my lights, but the Sailer-propagated meme of Chua being hounded by the media meanies is, as usual, a 180 from reality. One hand washes the other and she's keeping down the market price for manufactured controversy.

Anonymous said...

Tom Ashbrook has gotta be one of the most mind-hurtingly bad talk hosts ever. At least Charlie Rose has the cornpone Tobacco Road thing and Larry King is a sleep aid.

Eric Holder Jr. said...

Don't you just hate those cowards still afraid to talk about race

countenance said...

This is what happens when the left thinks that we pose no threat to them. The KKKrazy Glue which binds their Star Wars bar scene coalition together loses its adhesiveness, and they start chewing each other apart.

In that spirit, check out this AR thread of today:

http://www.amren.com/news/2014/02/cedar-riverside-caucus-draws-raucous-crowds/

Jason said...

Defenders of painful truths need to take a page from Chen here, since she's doing what more timid souls should be doing: when somebody takes cheap shots at you and plays the race/sexist/bigot/etc./etc. card, you hit back at him. Hard.

Anonymous said...

Re: Putting the term "Dragon Lady" out there.

Blacks in DC regularly referred to Michelle Rhee (remember her?) by that name when she attempted to apply something resembling standards to DC schools (this was despite the fact she married a black guy).

I actually quite enjoy all these insane Asian females -- Dragon Ladies -- popping up and offending people.

Ever since Fu Manchu and Charlie Chan were retired, the Asian front has been a little dull...

Aaron said...

Brown on brown e-violence. Everybody wins!

J said...

HBD is degenerating into comedy subject matter. Isnt that funny?

Anonymous said...

Oriyentas

classic setup said...

this chief blogger from Careerist is on the cute side; Tiger mom Ally or not, she doesn't look a day over 60

I hope your girlfriend/spouse's name doesn't end in .jpg too

Desi Pride World Wide! said...

"Suketu Mehta writes in TIME that the book represents “the new racism—and I take it rather personally.” Mehta adds that “the language of racism in America has changed . . . It’s not about skin color anymore—it’s about ‘cultural traits.’”

- A South Asian (Desi/Indian) guy is complaining about "cultural traits"?!

Aw man, that's RICH.

I can tell you that Suketu was raised by his Desi parents just like I was. With an emphasis on all the great Desi cultural traits that make us successful wherever we go.

He knows "Asian values" (and that includes South Asian) are what makes us so resilient and adaptive and here is pretending to be all sensitive to some western-based faux victimology.

What a hypocrite.

Repeat after me Suketu...

"Say It Loud. I'm Asian and I'm Proud!"

Anonymous said...

"One hand washes the other and she's keeping down the market price for manufactured controversy."

The media tycoons are indeed pulling some of the strings in pitting differences voices against one another. But I think most critics of Chua are sincere in their hatred of her.

you lacist said...

Sailer's favorite reads of the past 5 years:
1. "Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mom"
2. review of "Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mom" by Tom Wolfe
3. "Who Moved My Triple Package" by the Chuas
4. "Sample Questions from PISA Assessments" by the OECD
5. "Letters to a Young Juicer" by Jose Canseco Capas, Jr.

Anonymous said...

To be fair, I kind of agree with the analysis that "cultural traits" are the new target of racism. In the 70's and 80's you had Asian token minority characters, now Asians only appear on TV as evil PTA moms, greedy Yuppies and angry store owners (and occasionally cool stoners, but with the implication that they are cool because they reject their native culture). They're typecast in roles which were traditionally reserved for rich whites and bigoted Southerners.

It seems minority/non-minority has stopped being about race. My most recent thought is minority= victim of gentrification, non-minority= gentrifier. But there's probably more going on than that.

Desi Pride World Wide! said...

Harry,"It turns out this whole multi-cultural thing is not working out."

- It will work if you mix with people like Chua and emulate her cultural traits. Simply sailing through the drive-thru for some egg roles at Panda Express will not do.

Are you willing to get serious about family values, parenting and educating your children properly or is divorcing your "common law" wife and single-parent dating more of a priority?

"At least this brou-ha-ha will finally put to rest the confused stereotype about Asian women being passive, demure, dainty, feminine, etc.

Just getting that term into circulation is enough -- "Dragon Lady."

- Yep. Thank the gods our women are smart, serious, family oriented ladies rather than ditzy blondes. (Apologies to the well-rounded blondes that might be reading here.)

"We need more Chinese-Americans in the Ivy League. Better yet, we need more Chinese-Americans to serve as Ivy League presidents. "

- 100% correct. Asian values might be the only thing that can save the US.

Anonymous said...

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-South-Central/2014/0204/Students-protest-against-racial-profiling-in-India

https://www.google.com/search?q=Nido+Tania&espv=210&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=tijzUt7ML8Tn2wXwvoHADg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=653

Anonymous said...

"you lacist said...
Sailer's favorite reads of the past 5 years"

Rotfl.

The real remarkable book by Chinawoman in Anchee Min's Cooked Seed. That was really from the heart.

Anonymous said...

"Desi" pride? I'd thought that was some kind of obscure porn search term which keeps showing up in the analytics for some reason.

However, when somebody extolling S-AZN grandeur starts to explain how to "save the U.S." then I recognize that by its conventional name: "concern trolling"

lace realist said...

"Lacist: n. One who discriminates against lace."

Desi Pride World Wide! said...

"To be fair, I kind of agree with the analysis that "cultural traits" are the new target of racism. In the 70's and 80's you had Asian token minority characters, now Asians only appear on TV as evil PTA moms, greedy Yuppies and angry store owners (and occasionally cool stoners, but with the implication that they are cool because they reject their native culture). They're typecast in roles which were traditionally reserved for rich whites and bigoted Southerners."

- A topic on some East Asian male blogs is "why aren't East Asian guys portrayed as sex symbols or sought after sexual partners in American media?" While many East Asian females are asking "why are we always exotified and eroticised in American media?"

"It seems minority/non-minority has stopped being about race. My most recent thought is minority= victim of gentrification, non-minority= gentrifier. But there's probably more going on than that. "

- Its been this way for a long time. East and South Asians are seen as privileged and not needing financial help here in the US and this has to do with the immigration selection process. We have to pay full university costs and get no leeway on that whatsoever. We are subsidizing so-called "poor" American citizen students. Sometimes our families go completely broke in our home countries, eating only rice and dahl (lentils) twice a day and skipping dinner altogether thus going to bed with grumbling stomachs in order to pay those exhorbitant prices.

Yet we are "privileged" and "don't need help"!!! And worse - subsidizing someone else who's family is transitioning from 200 pounds to 300 pounds EACH, on all the fatty foods they eat!

Well ok, there's a trade off for everything. But now my mission is to incalculate Asian values, family and future-time orientation and proper culture into every American I meet while I'm here.

You bring Kentucky Fried Chicken to our native cities and we bring some class, culture and money to your universities.





Desi Pride World Wide! said...

"Desi" pride? I'd thought that was some kind of obscure porn search term which keeps showing up in the analytics for some reason."

- Of course you thought it was porn. What else is there for you? That's one of your country's biggest exports. Hooters waitressing is a perfectly respectable "job" in your culture.

Not concern trolling, just concerned. Somebody has to be because you certainly aren't.

David said...

Chinese lady to whites: You lazy, unlike us Chinese.

East Indian to Chinese lady: Shut up, you crazy racist dragon lady!

Chinese lady #2 to East indian: YOU shut up! You the racist, you arrogant dot!

East Indians: $^&"#&

Chinese: &&$$*/@

etc. These are the superior cultural practices of our uninvited would-be overlords. (Notice how carefully I avoided saying "mandarins.")

Anonymous said...

@Prof Woland

"The Liberals have worked so hard to isolate and build a coalition against white Americans so it is probably their worst nightmare that Asians would join the conservatives.
They like to mock the Republicans for trying to make inroads with various identity groups but this time they might actually have some success. The republicans only need to pick off one identity group to screw up the Democratic coalition."

I'm gonna guess you're a glass half full kinda guy.

just sayin' said...

You know who's one guy whose family complex & parenting methods we definitely should not emulate? Woody Allen

David said...

Desi, you could have stayed home and had all of our KFC you wanted, plus your youth. Remember this 10 or 15 years from now.

Cail Corishev said...

That's a good one! Like we ever talk about anything else [but race].

There's very little talking about race in America. What there is lots of is talking about talking about race.

Desi Pride World Wide! said...

"Desi, you could have stayed home and had all of our KFC you wanted"

- Don't want any. I'm a vegetarian who loves my spicy Indian food and besides that I don't eat out. Its a "cultural trait" - denial of short-term pleasure and convenience for long-term health and prosperity.

"plus your youth. Remember this 10 or 15 years from now."

- What does youth have to do with it? I've got my youth now. We South Asians age pretty well provided we take care of ourselves so I don't expect to show my first signs of aging until at east my 40s.

Anonymous said...

I think I get where Desi is coming from. He's playing pukka sahib amidst the savages. He is the Company man now.

He has a point. But logic isn't everything. After all, the Company was chucked out by rabble in bed sheets.

The limitations of HBD, or at least IQ fundamentalism, are obvious. That's why I read Svigor's comments. He is what pop-psychologists (is there another kind?) call 'grounded'.

Gilbert P.

Simon in London said...

Everyone jockeying for position on the cultural Marxist status ladder.
There's something incredibly obnoxious about Indian cultural Marxists, they lack the subtlety and deftness of the New York Jewish (or in the UK the white, mostly non-Jewish) leftist elites they attempt to imitate. Clumsy, cack-handed, uncharismatic, try to be clever but fail.
I like these Chinese women a lot better - and I suspect the (mostly) straight white leftist Jewish men who run America agree with me. >:)

Anonymous said...

OT, but along the lines of "Is Love Colorblind".

http://yahoo.match.com/cp.aspx?cpp=/cppp/yahoo/article.html&articleid=12289&TrackingID=526103&BannerID=1919556

The relevant fact that I took from that article: 22% of Black men out marry, while 20% of Asian men do. Granted the rate for Asian females is 40%, the highest of any group. But still, the supposedly undesirable Asian man is doing almost as well out marrying as that supposed ultimate in masculinity, the Black man. Perhaps even better, if you factor out the FOB Asian dudes and consider only the American-born ones.

Anonymous said...

In other news, World War T ramps up, takes no prisoners: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0F8WiuxYoE4

MJM said...

Here is a classic "dragon lady" (Gale Sondergaard from the Bette Davis movie 'The Letter')
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Gale_Sondergaard_in_The_Letter_trailer.jpg

Desi said...

Lucy, you got some splainin' to do...

Anonymous said...

If whites did not exist on the planet, then East Asians would be the the number one target of the PC witch hunt. That is why the Chinese have no hope of winning "you are racist against the Chinese argument", because despite China having suffered some of the worst in the 20th century, their civilization and their current relative success over other PC groups does mean they cannot joined the victimhood group.

Silver said...

They like to mock the Republicans for trying to make inroads with various identity groups but this time they might actually have some success. The republicans only need to pick off one identity group to screw up the Democratic coalition.

The dem coalition is unstable because it features blacks. That worked as long as the coalition consisted of blacks, white liberals and jews. Blacks could get away with their uppity demands because white liberals are the most gullible pushovers who ever lived, and Jews just figure it's a cost of doing business. But as other minorities have flooded the coalition it has started to look very rickety because these groups have much less patience with black bs and the lessened threat perception of white racism means they are less constrained in airing their complaints.

Republicans could probably lure a couple of groups away from the Dem coalition, but imo it'd be stupid to do so without premising it on support for white identity. Let the Democrats be the implicitly pro-black party and Republicans the implicitly pro-white (defending whites' right to a positive identity, promoting American/western culture and standing up for virtues, standards, morality etc.) That'd be a good start.

Anonymous said...

Fascinating thing about race is that it's only really 2 races that are protected - blacks and Scots-Irish. You can stereotype Asians. TV comedy 2 Broke Girls has an old black man and a young Asian manager. The Asian guy is mocked constantly but the black is a source of constant wisdom and the girls adore him. I've never met blacks like that and noted that people are hypersensitive about anything that's critical of them, moreso than whites-Asians-Hispanics. Maybe they know deep down that their only good at rapping.

Anonymous said...


Michael Richards isn't Jewish, he's a goy, according to the ADL, which took great pains to point that out to Amerikkka, which I thought was peculiar at the time.

Anonymous said...

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/02/06/national/samuragochis-ghostwriter-speaks/#.UvOK5WJdVA1

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/

Paranoia about fascism

Anonymous said...

http://bbc.in/1fxMae1

"Is the western media determined to see Russia's Winter Olympics fail? Are you fed up with endless stories about corruption, poor facilities and paranoid security? It's James Menendez here. On Newshour today we'll report on the very different way the Russian media is covering the Games. And we'll ask whether cynical hacks are getting Sochi wrong, just as they wrote off the London Olympics prematurely. Is it fair that ‪#‎sochiproblem‬ and ‪#‎sochifail‬ are the top Sochi trends on twitter? Or should we all be talking about ‪#‎sochiexcitement‬ and ‪#‎isntsochibrilliant‬ instead?"

Anonymous said...

other south asian values such as shitting in the street, endemic cheating, and a general filthy low trust society are not going to save America; they certainly haven't saved India.

Simon in London said...

anon:
"after undoubtedly spending their lives doing the same others (they are Yale law profs, after all). "

Not *all* law profs spend their lives doing that... ;)

Anonymous said...

http://theden.tv/2014/02/06/when-fdr-betrayed-his-allies/#sthash.IaysToEQ.dpbs

peterike said...

I must say, I do enjoy Desi's unique brand of abject ignorance mixed with absolute arrogance. It's like listening to radical black talk radio.

And thank goodness America is going to be saved by "Asian values." Which as far as I can tell are things like deceitfulness, cheating, utter corruption, shoddy workmanship, and a cringing servility used to distract from the knife heading towards your back. They have a bright future in the Democratic party.

So keep the floodtide of Indians streaming into America! Because you can never have enough ugly chicks or Medicaid fraud.

Jonathan Silber said...

Unlike our so-called elites, the white proles I live among are tolerant of others different from themselves as to race and style of life: they practice live and let live. In this respect, but not only in this respect, they're the moral superiors of our intolerant, bigoted, hateful so-called elites,
in whose numbers are to be found the
real white trash.

josh said...

Is calling Seinfeld racist anti-semitic?

Anonymous said...

http://rt.com/op-edge/west-double-standards-ukraine-russia-403/

Anonymous said...

You kind of wonder about the cognitive dissonance of "Desis" who brag about their "superior culture" while producing a country that is known worldwide as a literal public toilet--not just by Westerners but by every culture in the world. Complain about the prices of US university tuition--that's rich!!! Why don't you build your own top colleges if you're "culture" is so "superior?"

These "successful" Desis lead the world in:

--Public shitting and peeing
--Murdering their own children if they happen to be girls
--One of the four most racist countries in the world as measured by a recent study
--Human slavery (one of the top countries in human slavery as measured by a recent study)
--Political corruption (measured by Transparency International)
--Gang rapes on public buses
--Bride burnings

"Asian" values? No thanks!!! We Anglo-Saxons did pretty well before the Cultural Marxists destroyed our countries and our culture. And I don't think that even "Hooters" waitresses are so bad when you compare it to a country where women are routinely gang-raped on public transportation or murdered by their own parents or in-laws for the "crime" of being female.

Go clean up the literal walls of human shit in your own country before lecturing us on our "inferior" culture.

PS--This is that stupid, mentally ill "Desi" woman who posts on all the HBD blogs, bragging constantly about her "superior" culture. She despises white people, especially white women, of whom she is extremely jealous. One of her tricks is that she loves to pretend she's white so she can bash white people and white culture. Also her bragging about her "sane" culture of "wise Asian women" is bullshit, because she loves to brag about picking up black men in bars and having a ho-holds barred sex life (which is probably mostly made up, but it still doesn't "jive" with her comments about American women.)

Anonymous said...

" (Chua seems to get singled out much more so than her husband)"
Hmmm.....
When comic Sarah Silverman was called out for using the word "chink" she worried "when did Jews lose control of the media?"
No worries, Sarah...back in control.

Anonymous said...

Diversity principles presume inherent substantive differences between races that justify affirmative discrimination.

Equality principles presume there must be no disparate group outcomes because there are no inherent substantive differences between races.

How can it be racist to conclude that 'diverse' people produce 'diverse' results?

Perhaps it should be suggested that in order to reduce gaps, 'diversity' should be depressed.

What a PC scam!

Chicago said...

If the whites of this country disappeared there would be nothing left. All the non-whites would immediately hate each other and fight over everything. They have nothing whatsoever in common. If they had to deal with each other directly the loathing they have for other groups that's just below the surface would really come out; they're just loaded with historical resentments, chauvinism and attitudes of in-group loyalty. As the superior people those of European descent are held to a higher standard and are supposed to be above it all which ends up being their weakness. They fail to look out for their own interests as a group since they no longer perceive themselves as a group.

Svigor said...

Non-whites who think their skin color entitles them to move into white countries are racist.
Non-whites who think their skin color entitles them to lecture whites are racist.
Non-whites less than 4 generations in America who criticize white societies (rather than return to their own) are racist, dishonest, amoral, self-aggrandizing, chiselers and grifters.

Non-whites who just stand around and let it happen are aiding and abetting. So, basically the lot of them are down in the muck. Only the precious few who speak out against it are worth a damn.

David M. said...

Next Time Article:

Vivia Chen's article calling Suketu Mehta racist for calling Amy Chua racist is racist

The article employs all the typical anti-Indian racial stereotypes - that they are whiny, anti-women, and hostile to other cultures. Clearly, it is very racist.

Anonymous said...

Jomo media do to Russia what they do white America.

Anonymous said...

/* http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-South-Central/2014/0204/Students-protest-against-racial-profiling-in-India */

Its not just the US Leftist media alone, that drives the hatred against White majority. The same standards apply to the English media, in India. Always working against the majority ie. Hindus.

Anonymous said...

"India's Shameful Load of Shit"

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/jugglebandhi/entry/india-s-shameful-load-of

In the comments, an Indian ex-pat says that SUDAN is more advanced than India. Says it all, really.

candid_observer said...

"Oriyentas"

That's worth the price of admission to the thread.

Anonymous said...

What never gets said is that America's minority groups - blacks, Jews, Chinese, etc - are all terribly racist themselves. They have absolutely zero problems with racism, just as long as it is racism which benefits them. In fact they regard that as not really 'racism' at all but just the natural order of things. After all, if they are better than other people (and they take it as axiomatic that they ARE better than other people) then of course they should be better off than other people.

ben tillman said...

- Of course you thought it was porn. What else is there for you? That's one of your country's biggest exports. Hooters waitressing is a perfectly respectable "job" in your culture.

No, it's not. And we don't need your help in observing our culture.

Anonymous said...

"Well ok, there's a trade off for everything. But now my mission is to incalculate Asian values, family and future-time orientation and proper culture into every American I meet while I'm here.

You bring Kentucky Fried Chicken to our native cities and we bring some class, culture and money to your universities"

Not another puffed- up, resentful Indian! Americans have no need to emulate Indian culture. Instead, we need to rid ourselves of political correctness and multiculturalism, and take care of our own.

Who needs divorce when you have bride burnings? Which traditional holiday should we ditch in favor of World Toilet Day? Would a rigid caste system in the U.S. make for a better culture? How about child rearing? Is there anything more self-reliant and loving than cutting your own child's limbs off to make him a more sympathetic beggar?

Anonymous said...

WWG and the gayboycott of Sochi Olympics.

Though there's no official boycott as with Moscow games in 1980, there is a defacto gayboycott of Sochi games. Jomo media spread the word that Putin and white-Christian nationalism of Russia are eeeeeeevil and that good decent people of US and EU should be waving the 'gay flag' and worshiping Jewish globalists in NY instead.

So, celebrities are staying and rich globalist elite travelers are staying away too.



Anonymous said...

"We have to pay full university costs and get no leeway on that whatsoever. We are subsidizing so-called "poor" American citizen students. Sometimes our families go completely broke in our home countries, eating only rice and dahl (lentils) twice a day and skipping dinner altogether thus going to bed with grumbling stomachs in order to pay those exhorbitant prices. " - damn, I had no idea. maybe you should just go back to india and improve it instead of suffering for our sake.

Anonymous said...

Woody Allen a Documentary. It's about a liberal made by a liberal and filled with liberal talking heads. And yet, not one word from Soonyi Previn who's hardly featured in the film except for few clips at the end.

So much liberal love of openness and 'strong women'.

Soonyi, be a good yellow dog and serve your hubby.

ROTFL.

Anonymous said...

“the language of racism in America has changed . . . It’s not about skin color anymore—it’s about ‘cultural traits.’”

No, the new 'racism' is 'separate but equal facilities' hysteria about trans not being allowed to use girls' washroom.
End sexual segregation now!

Have Pritzker in dress use girls' washroom.

Anonymous said...

http://youtu.be/QTQfGd3G6dg?t=40s

'Racist' is 'Ni'.

Anonymous said...

Power Mother is what it's really about.

As American economy becomes more 'winner takes all', you must win big to have it good. Otherwise, you're a 'loser'. So, the pressure on mothers(especially with elite status)is fiercer than ever.

In the past, elite mothers thought, 'my kid can discover himself and then eventually face reality'. Now, those who fall behind cannot catch up with those who are ahead in the marathon, and this is especially so because immigration means not only more low-IQ people but more high-IQ people.

If hares race with tortoises, hares can take it easy before resuming the race, especially if many tortoises have no wish to win the game but just want middle class jobs.

Today, hares race with more hares from China and India(and even elite kids from Latin America and Africa),and that means falling behind means you've fallen behind for good.



Anonymous said...

Closing of the American Parenthood.

dsgntd_plyr said...

"But the more I read and researched, the more I went out and talked to people, I found that a funny thing was happening: I was becoming more conservative [on race]"

And

"As good as liberal policies on race sound in speeches, many of them don’t hold up in the real world."


File that under sentences I wouldn't expect to read on Slate. The author likes the arguments non-Progressives make on race, but he doesn't like them as people.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/history/features/2014/the_liberal_failure_on_race/how_the_left_s_embrace_of_busing_hurt_the_cause_of_integration.html

Anonymous said...

Aleander Dugin-an ideologist connected with Putin-on p.45 of his sole English-language book :

http://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Political-Theory-Alexander-Dugin-ebook/dp/B009VLIAZQ
(...)
The very ideology of progress is racist in its structure. The assertion that the present is better and more fulfilling than the past, and continual assurance that the future will be even better than the present, are discriminatory against the past and the present, as well as the humiliation of all those who lived in the past, an insult to the honour and dignity of our ancestors and those of others,and a violation of the rights of the dead...The ideology of progress represents the moral genocide of past generations-in other words, real racism.
(...)

Anonymous said...

"It will work if you mix with people like Chua and emulate her cultural traits. Simply sailing through the drive-thru for some egg roles at Panda Express will not do.
Are you willing to get serious about family values, parenting and educating your children properly or is divorcing your "common law" wife and single-parent dating more of a priority?
Just getting that term into circulation is enough -- "Dragon Lady."
- Yep. Thank the gods our women are smart, serious, family oriented ladies rather than ditzy blondes. (Apologies to the well-rounded blondes that might be reading here.)
- 100% correct. Asian values might be the only thing that can save the US."

I don't know if this Desi-character is real or a troll, but his stuff reads so good you can almost hear the Indian accents.

"Simply sailing through the drive-thru for some egg roles at Panda Express will not do."

That is classic hindu-talk stuff.

Anonymous said...

"Simply sailing through the drive-thru for some egg rolls at Panda Express will not do"

This is better than the entire Tiger Mom book. It should be engraved into the headstone of every college hall.

This is better than Asian women are the story of bravery of love.

Anonymous said...

"Simply sailing through the drive-thru for some egg rolls at Panda Express will not do"

in Latin:

"Ut enim ad ictus, nauigant a coegi in aliquid ovum rotulis Panda Etiam non"

-- Desi superbia mundi lata.

ysv_rao said...

Just another human centipede of racism..

Anonymous said...

What I like about Desi's comments is that he obviously goes to enough Panda Expresses to know they have a drive through. The only time I see a Panda Garden is in an airport food court. Something tells me that should I ever stumble upon a Panda Express drive thru Desi might just hand me my food.

Anonymous said...

Michelle couldn't even tie her own laces w/o help from the diversity officer.

Anonymous said...

The "Desi" troll is a woman, not a man, and she posts obsessively in the HBD and "manosphere" blogosphere under hundreds of names, where she constantly and obsessively brags about her "superior" "culture."

She is vehemently anti-white, anti-Christian and anti-Western, and is a big supporter of the multi-cult and mass immigration--in the West of course, not in her native land. When it comes to the multi-cult in her native land, she whines about uppity "minorities" who bring "foreign religions" to her "pure" Hindu society and supports Hindutva.

In short, just another ultra-ethno-centrist Hindu hypocrite who came to the West to suck $$$ from the infrastructure and society we built while bragging incessantly about the "superior" culture back home.

Anonymous said...

"calling Amy Chua racist is racist"

I say calling Amy Chua racist is racist is racist.

Anonymous said...

'Racism' charge is like two mirrors facing one another. The charge is reflected back and forth ad infinitum.

You're racist.

You're racist for calling me racist.

You are racist for calling me racist for calling you racist.

You are racist for calling me racist for calling you racist for calling me racist.

etc.

Anonymous said...

"She is vehemently anti-white, anti-Christian and anti-Western, and is a big supporter of the multi-cult and mass immigration--in the West of course, not in her native land."

But she really parks her car, goes into the restaurant, places the order, checks the order, and takes it home.
No Panda Express drive-thru woman is she.

Anonymous said...

"Is calling Seinfeld racist anti-semitic?"

Seinfeld seems pretty self-satisfied. So different from Woody Allen and other Jews of his generation.

Same with difference between David Remnick and Norman Mailer.
Mailer had big balls. Remnick is a nice boy preppy Jew. A shreppy.

Anonymous said...

I wasn't paying attention but is the new Microsoft guy a dalit?

goatweed

Anonymous said...

Tower of Babel

Let's you and him (and him and him and him) fight.

And to think my retirement job could have been running security on a space station above Mars.

ben tillman said...

In the comments, an Indian ex-pat says that SUDAN is more advanced than India. Says it all, really.

Ha ha. Sometimes I forget about the extent of India's diversity. It's not India's strength, either.

seinfeld re-run viewer said...

"...or Michael Richards..."

Michael Richards is half Italian half WASP (make of the latter what you will). The WASP dad was a scientist. At least that's what I read. His character on Seinfeld wasn't Jewish and more than once, this was made plain. Elaine was more ambiguous, but considering her father (in one episode), and the way she used to cross herself sometimes, I don't think that character was supposed to be Jewish either.

Svigor said...

Elaine was more ambiguous, but considering her father (in one episode), and the way she used to cross herself sometimes, I don't think that character was supposed to be Jewish either.

I never watched Seinfeld. I would stop the clicker on it long enough to see four Jews and then keep moving. Not like OMG no keep moving, more like well, I'm clearly not the target demo, keep moving. So I didn't watch it long enough to get the lil explanations like Elaine crossing herself and whatnot.

Anonymous said...

"East and South Asians are seen as privileged and not needing financial help here in the US and this has to do with the immigration selection process. We have to pay full university costs and get no leeway on that whatsoever. We are subsidizing so-called "poor" American citizen students."

Who's forcing you? You are free to stay home and go to your own world class universities in India. You know, those highly competitive Indian universities that students across the globe are clamoring to gain admittance.

But, perhaps our universities aren't the real draw. It's the indoor plumbing, isn't it?

Anonymous said...

Ah yes, those Asian values...

Like melamine being deliberately added to baby formula to save a few bucks... not a case of accidental tainting.

"In China, where adulteration has occurred, water has been added to raw milk to increase its volume. As a result of this dilution the milk has a lower protein concentration. Companies using the milk for further production (e.g. of powdered infant formula) normally check the protein level through a test measuring nitrogen content. The addition of melamine increases the nitrogen content of the milk and therefore its apparent protein content.

Health effects? Kidney failure and cancer

At least China gives the death penalty for corporate criminals. That's an Asian value system I could get my head around.

Anonymous said...

More Asian values...

Indian pharmaceutical company, Ranbaxy, has ground glass in their generic lipitor... possibly accidental but the investigation revealed systemic and deliberate falsifying of data. Ranbaxy bought brand name Lipitor to substitute for their own product in efficacy tests. Whaddya know? Brand name Lipitor is just as effective as brand name Lipitor!

Here's the latest on India's Ranbaxy

Reuters.com - India's Ranbaxy faces more regulatory scrutiny after U.S. ban
http://www.reuters.com/article/email/idUSBREA1411W20140205

as said...

Vivia is a unique name.

Thought she was Vivian.

The Anti-Gnostic said...

Comment from that Times of India link:

Defecating in public or open space gives more pleasure and peace than defecating in confinement like rudimentary form of toilets. Actually this is the fact, that many in rural areas despite having or possessing toilets go out in public with a jug of water (not Shri Jug Suraiya please), because of the nature that rural areas offers. So, there has to be some sort of reality check before coming to the conclusion that all people who defecate in public lack toilets. Given a chance, despite having full fledged toilets, I love to defecate in nature.along peacefully..!!!

Anonymous said...

Ah yes, those Asian values...

What are your values? Exterminating American Indians and Jews? Sodomizing altar boys?

Big Bill said...

We should adopt "Desi culture"?

What?

According to UN figures on (ahem) "open defecation", half the "Desis" in the world still sh!t on the ground. No flush toilet, no outhouse, hell not even a latrine! In the 21st freaking century!

Of COURSE Desis ran off to America. You would run off and leave your own people too if your "Desi" culture was that backward.

And if you wonder what your future is in the new "Desi-cultured" America, picture your wife and daughters having to squat, every day, outside, in the winter, on the ground, while keeping one eye out for pervs lying in wait. That's what half the "Desi" women on earth are forced to do by their "Desi-cultured" men.

Anonymous said...

What are your values? Exterminating American Indians and Jews? Sodomizing altar boys?
--
Still no comments on the 1 million female babies who are murdered every year in India by their own parents in the Indian Gender Holocaust, "Desi Pride?"

Why do you so resent the country and the people who put food into your greedy little mouth? Are you that pathetic that you resent the fact that you have to suck whitey's civilizational titty for your own sustenance?

The worst people on earth are the ones who bite the hand that feeds.

If it were up to me, your ass would be deported back to your Indian paradise in two seconds flat.

Anonymous said...

The worst people on earth are the ones who bite the hand that feeds.

Speaking of hands, shouldn't you be hacking off people's hands and killing children? Those are your values, aren't they:

http://www.yale.edu/gsp/colonial/belgian_congo/

"Leopold's agents held the wives and children of these men hostage until they returned with their rubber quota.[5] Those who refused or failed to supply enough rubber often had their villages burned down, children murdered, and their hands cut off.....To prove the success of their patrols, soldiers were ordered to cut off and bring back dead victims’ right hands as proof that they had not wasted their bullets.[3] If their shots missed their targets or if they used cartridges on big game, soldiers would cut off the hands of the living and wounded to meet their quotas."

If it were up to me, your ass would be deported back to your Indian paradise in two seconds flat.

If it were up to me, your ass would be deported back to the Middle East, since apparently you're not even native to Europe, but came from the Middle East and exterminated the native European hunter-gatherers (those values again).

Anonymous said...

Big Bill, note this post about the woeful hygiene standards of Indians:

http://yourmitra.wordpress.com/2008/12/20/do-indians-really-stink-can-we-do-something-about-it/

There are Americans, Italians, Aussies, Filippinos, Singaporeans, Brits all commenting and they all have the same consensus: Indians smell bad and have disgusting hygiene habits (in general).

When people from all different cultures agree on the same basic thing, then you've obviously got a huge problem.

Svigor said...

What are your values? Exterminating American Indians and Jews? Sodomizing altar boys?

The ones that wound up drawing your kind to our territory in droves.

Desi Pride World Wide! said...

The ones that wound up drawing your kind to our territory in droves.

What territory? You mean the Middle East, right hypocrite?

Anonymous said...

"cold, rigid Dragon Ladies"

But Chua's personality is hot and passionate. The cold and rigid ones are the neo-puritanical PC commissars who dismiss any heretical idea as 'garbage'.


Emotionally cold people are those who have little warmth and affection for other people, even their own children (like Asians, according to long standing stereotype that is no doubt completely correct).

They're not those who don't get angry (unlike Chua who gets wound up).

Anonymous said...

Desi Pride World Wide Yep. Thank the gods our women are smart, serious, family oriented ladies rather than ditzy blondes. (Apologies to the well-rounded blondes that might be reading here.)

Ergh. Gross. Typical disgusting South Asian creep in typical "Western women are all dumb whores, unlike our 'pure' women" gang rape and street grooming mode.

East and South Asians are seen as privileged and not needing financial help here in the US and this has to do with the immigration selection process. We have to pay full university costs and get no leeway on that whatsoever. We are subsidizing so-called "poor" American citizen students. Sometimes our families go completely broke in our home countries, eating only rice and dahl (lentils) twice a day and skipping dinner altogether thus going to bed with grumbling stomachs in order to pay those exhorbitant prices.

Post 1960 Asian migration has been relatively elite, both for East Asians and South Asians. No is eating dal and rice. And even if there were, that's the price you pay for not being able to set up good schools in your primitive countries.

You bring Kentucky Fried Chicken to our native cities and we bring some class, culture and money to your universities.

Seems like it would be a bit more admirable better to take the shit and corpses out the Ganges, but I can't imagine you'd ever do that now, would you? Probably 'cos there's nothing in it for your immediate relatives.