March 30, 2014

National Journal: "Tech Pipeline Is Alarmingly White"

Evil-White-Men-in-Training plot against humanity
From The National Journal (a.k.a., The Voice of Respectability):
Tech Pipeline Is Alarmingly White 
By Emily DeRuy, Fusion 
January 14, 2014 
The pipeline of students who will be tomorrow's tech leaders is alarmingly vanilla.

The unobjectionability of food-based ethnic slurs (vanilla, white bread, mayonnaise, etc.) against white people dumbs down public discourse.
According to a new analysis of test-takers, not a single girl, African-American or Hispanic student took the computer science Advanced Placement test in Mississippi or Montana last year. More than a third of the population in Mississippi is black. 
In other words, a hugely disproportionate bunch of white guys took the test.

Obviously, an even more disproportionate number of Asians took the computer science AP test, but we don't have a conceptual category for whites and Asians combined.

Is there some well-known dessert that combines vanilla and lemon flavors? It would sure help the quality of discourse on education and demographics and discrimination if journalists had a food-based ethnic slur that lumps together whites + Asians.

Here are the pass rates (3 out of 5 or higher, equivalent to a C or better in a college 101-level intro course):

All test takers: 67%
Males: 68%
Females: 62%
Blacks: 36%
Black males: 38%
Black females: 27%
Hispanics: 45%
Hispanic Males: 49%
Hispanic Females: 31%
Whites: 66%
White Males: NA
White Females: NA
Asians: 70%
Asian Males: NA
Asian Females: NA
 

61 comments:

Anonymous said...

Lemon meringue pie is yellow, white, with a little bit of brown, so that might be a candidate.

I guess we can refer to any black-dominated field as "chocolately" without offending anyone.

jody said...

"Evil-White-Men-in-Training plot against humanity"

lol

Prof. Woland said...

Lemon meringue?

Handle said...

Well, rice is both white and Asian.

Anonymous said...

Obviously, an even more disproportionate number of Asians took the computer science AP test

"Deng Xiaoping’s "24-Character Strategy""

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/24-character.htm

"Observe calmly; secure our position; cope with affairs calmly; hide our capacities and bide our time; be good at maintaining a low profile; and never claim leadership."

Shouting Thomas said...

My guess is that Emily doesn't know squat about tech either.

Here's her published bio:

Based out of Washington, D.C., Emily covers the 2012 presidential election and other issues of importance to the Latino community.

If she's so worried about women working in tech, why isn't she working in tech?

Too difficult? Gotta learn math? Easier to do the Diversity BSing?

Dave Pinsen said...

So Steve can't blog about this unless he learns Ruby or Python? Come on.

Anonymous said...

"not a single girl,"

I take it, then, that being a woman precludes being White?

Jason Roberts said...

While obviously not lemon, banana cream mixes white and yellow well.

Power Child said...

@Handle:

The problem with rice is, rice is only white if it's white rice, which contains the word "white" already, making it less clever.

Hey, how about Colby Jack?

hbd chick said...

lemon vanilla cake! (here's one i made earlier. (~_^) )

Power Child said...

Is it the unobjectionability or the very use of food-based ethnic slurs that dumbs down public discourse? Actually, ethnic slurs in general, outside of comedy, don't seem likely to add much to public discourse. (Inside of comedy they're indispensable.)

I have a hard time being offended by anything, but one thing that really irritates me is stuff like "Oreo" or "banana" to describe black people or Asians who "act white." On the other hand I don't care that much if a white person is ridiculed for acting black, so maybe I'm just a racist.

Anonymous said...

Golden shower?

Anonymous said...

According to a new analysis of test-takers, not a single girl, African-American or Hispanic student took the computer science Advanced Placement test in Mississippi or Montana last year. More than a third of the population in Mississippi is black.

In other words, a hugely disproportionate bunch of white guys took the test.


No NAMs in STEM, and as few in the true Arts (not the ghetto atrocity that is rap/hip-hop).

The problem is that those places (with the exception of perhaps Montana) are in "flyover country", and not the West Coast-East Coast, urban liberal axis.

If Mississippi is full of rednecks/white trash who like STEM+Arts and NAM blacks who prefer ghetto rap music/EBT welfare, why should the author care?

My guess is that the author conspires to believe that evil creationists, Christian scientists and global cooling/global warming/climate change skeptics are disproportionally represented in those classes.

Yes, it's full of "bad white guys".

It's not New York, Boston, or San Francisco. Those places get a pass for having the "right white guys".

Anonymous said...

In other news, NBA is shockingly black, and NFL defensive backs are alarmingly black.

Bert said...

National Journal is pathetically mediocre. Nothing I've ever read there has been anything except the most mundane of conventional wisdom.

Anonymous said...

For the last 2500 years the tech pipeline has been "alarmingly white." Why should that change now?

Auntie Analogue said...


Unfortunately for White Americans, intelligence does not guarantee wisdom. Were a greater number, a greater proportion, of White Americans wise, we would not now find ourselves in demographic decline, or in demographic displacement and dispossession.

leftist conservative said...

this is terrible.

A homogeneous white population will be united against management and ownership (see, oh, all those small, relatively homogeneous nations like iceland, denmark, switz, etc, where labor is in a much better position).


Management and ownership need racial and cultural diversity in order to divide and conquer the workforce, just like they need and want racial and cultural diversity in the citizenry in order to divide and conquer so they can control the gov't.

Aren't you on the side of the job creators?

Diversity is Strength, remember! At least for job creators...

Anonymous said...

"""Obviously, an even more disproportionate number of Asians took the computer science AP test, but we don't have a conceptual category for whites and Asians combined."""


Uh, how about 'Eurasians'.

Of course, no one is forcing African-American students vs their will to agree to NOT take test. Aren't they perfectly free to take the test if they so choose to or is the concept of free will just beyond...never mind.

AMac said...

From Fusion.net, here is a headshot of girl reporter Emily DeRuy.

Oh fun, another potential entry in Steve's "Can you pick out the 'white Hispanic' amidst all the Hispanic Hispanics?" quiz!

Anonymous said...

""""Shouting Thomas said...
My guess is that Emily doesn't know squat about tech either.

Here's her published bio:

Based out of Washington, D.C., Emily covers the 2012 presidential election and other issues of importance to the Latino community.

If she's so worried about women working in tech, why isn't she working in tech?

Too difficult? Gotta learn math? Easier to do the Diversity BSing?"""""



Ok, Thomas, now its time to square the circle. Perhaps this writer should've done the NYT article that Steve mentioned earlier regarding agricultural laborers. And of course she would've dutifully gone out into the fields and interviewed actual Mexican stoop laborer to get their side of the issue, right?

Or is this just another Latina activist a la Eva Longoria who would like to make a name for herself in the DC area?

Question for anyone here: The lSTEM/Tech fields lack of color. Do Jews count as white?

Darwinian evolution would unblinkingly say yes, and they really can't be counted as black, latino, although perhaps some as (western) asian. But usually they're counted as white.

But that would be interesting quandary. Are they counted for all purposes in this article as white?

Anonymous said...

"""AMac said...
From Fusion.net, here is a headshot of girl reporter Emily DeRuy.

Oh fun, another potential entry in Steve's "Can you pick out the 'white Hispanic' amidst all the Hispanic Hispanics?" quiz!""""


Yes, but how do we not know if DeRuy is her married name OR if she decided to take her mother or grandmother's maiden name?

Example: US Women's Soccer star Amy Rodriguez is half German (and is married to a german-american). Google her picture and she could pass for an ordinary German-American. It's the same thing, one side is and the other side is not.


Anonymous said...

The very premise of this is dubious. First, computer science is sort of a marginal STEM subject. I would be much more concerned with Math, Physics, and Chemistry than Computer Science. And the job outlook is 'average.' Per the BLS. It is so 1980's to think of programming as an elite technical job.

If they offered AP Hacking, now that would impress me. Computer security is a hot tech area and there is no better preparation then hacking.

A huge number of schools don't offer AP courses. In Mississippi -- I could be wrong -- I would doubt if the number of black students that attend a High School that offers AP Computer Science is pathetically low.

My local suburban high school offers both an AP and an Honors AP track in Math. It is a useful way to track students, and the quality of public school teachers tends to vary.

Meanwhile, elite private schools tend to *Not* offer AP Courses, since teaching to an AP test is considered beneath them. They say things like, "Our students that are interested in taking an AP exam generally do exceptionally well."

Anonymous said...

Wait a minute, just wait a minute, let's put this pressing national crisis into perspective!

"...not a single girl, African-American or Hispanic student took the computer science Advanced Placement test in Mississippi..."

From the link Steve offered for background on pass rates:

"No females took the exam in Mississippi (1 exam taken), Montana (11 exams taken), and Wyoming (no exams)."

So, that single, lone person in Mississippi that took the advanced placement test is a sign that "In other words, a hugely disproportionate bunch of white guys took the test."

One exam. One. Uno. Eins. Aon. Un. один. Jeden. Eka. бир.

My dear lord it's the end of the world - the one person that took a comp sci advanced placement test in Mississippi wasn't an African-American-Jewish-Transgendered-Lesbian!

ben tillman said...

A huge number of schools don't offer AP courses. In Mississippi -- I could be wrong -- I would doubt if the number of black students that attend a High School that offers AP Computer Science is pathetically low.

One person in the whole state took the test. The real scandal is that 40 Mississippians took the test in 1999. Presumably, the astonishing decrease is due to the diminished job prospects resulting from immigration.

Whiskey said...

There is no sin less forgivable among women than being unsexy in men.

None.

Silver said...

"Well, rice is both white and Asian."

Rice crackers.

Anonymous said...

vanilla is already light yellow.

Anonymous said...

The list of tech billionaires is alarmingly white as well, and Jewish. I know, shocking. Our moral betters at the NYT are already hand-wringing and being stupefied by the lack of blacks and Hispanics at the city's big 3 science and math schools. Does anyone from NYC know if De Blasio is going all in with AA at those schools or is he going to be just a parlor leftist who does nothing? I know Lindsay tried back in the late 60's early 70's to push it through, but after what happened to CCNY after AA was implemented the parents hit back and prevented it.

Anonymous said...

"Obviously, an even more disproportionate number of Asians took the computer science AP test, but we don't have a conceptual category for whites and Asians combined."

Steve, this reminds me of the time that a biology professor named PZ Myers wrote a test for his students. He had crafted a question for his test that he thought would absolutely stump his students and make a political point at the same time.

The question: name 3 minority scientists...

ugh...

Anonymous said...

From http://fusion.net/site/story/contact-us-142514


Fusion is a joint venture between Univision Communications Inc. and the Disney/ABC Television Network.

Anonymous said...

Icelandic strongmen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A7woRoVwyM

Viking genetic predisposition plus lifting plus pharmaceuticals.

Anonymous said...

Hollandaise sauce.
White: Milk,egg whites
Yellow:Lemon,butter,egg yolks

Yea, I think that works.

Anonymous said...

Males: 68%
Females: 62%
...
Black males: 38%
Black females: 27%
...
Hispanic Males: 49%
Hispanic Females: 31%
...

Lemon meringue females must be doing very well versus LM males vis-a-vis NAM females versus NAM males. Is this selection bias or is the war on boys finally paying off?

SFG said...

"A homogeneous white population will be united against management and ownership (see, oh, all those small, relatively homogeneous nations like iceland, denmark, switz, etc, where labor is in a much better position)."

Yup! If we decrease immigration and have a sufficiently white country, we can then have socialism. ;) What, you think every HBD-believer has to be a fan of unrestricted capitalism?

Anonymous said...

Twinkie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkie

countenance said...

They need not worry. While the tech pipeline is mostly white (and Asian and Indian), the school to prison pipeline is mostly black.

Chubby Ape said...

Anonymous Dave Pinsen said...
So Steve can't blog about this unless he learns Ruby or Python? Come on.


People should go to Wikipedia, check out the provenance of those two programming languages and follow the breadcrumb trail back to where they came from. You see a Japanese fellow developed Ruby, a Dutchman developed Python and their work was based on that of several Norwegians and quite a few hideously white Americans at Xerox PARC and elsewhere. One of those white guys looks oddly similar to Steve Sailer himself: Dan Ingalls, so that should count for something.

Anonymous said...

Yes, my new moniker!

David said...

>What, you think every HBD-believer has to be a fan of unrestricted capitalism?<

Outside of a few ignorant ideologues, no one is a fan of unrestricted capitalism. The unrestricted capitalists themselves are especially opposed to it.

>Do Jews count as white?<

Unlike you, they are whatever they want to be.

Mr. Anon said...

I predict that in future, the "Tech Pipeline" will be alarmingly atechnical.

Anonymous said...

"Steve, this reminds me of the time that a biology professor named PZ Myers wrote a test for his students. He had crafted a question for his test that he thought would absolutely stump his students and make a political point at the same time.

The question: name 3 minority scientists...

ugh..." - anyone name 3 whites and point out that whites are a global minority?

Anonymous said...

RE: Mississippi, someone in the comments there aluded to the fact that only one person in the entire state took the test. Unfortunately he went on to imply that you can't have diversity with just one person, but as we know, you can.

"What, you think every HBD-believer has to be a fan of unrestricted capitalism?" - I'd very much doubt that any one who accepts HBD is such a fan.

Anonymous said...

Iceland is one of those few white countries still run for the benefit of the native inhabitants. The cuisine's nothing to shout about unless you like puffin and fermented shark, but it's a great place to live if you're an Icelander (they dodged a bullet in 2009/12, nearly joining the EU after the crash).

Visit while you can. I counted three tattoo parlours in one small area of Rejkjavik.

Anonymous said...

In unrelated disparate impact news, Barack Obama has endorsed the U.S. Senate candidacy of Brian Schatz, a white Jewish man, over that of Colleen Hanabusa, an Asian woman for the U.S. Senate seat in Hawai'i. Because Jews, whites and men are all woefully underrepresented in the Senate, as everyone knows.

Anonymous said...

Mac n Cheese

fried eggs

goatweed

Aaron said...

An alarmingly pumpernickel basketball team.

Anonymous said...

My scrambled eggs are not well mixed.

They make a good example.

goatweed

Anonymous said...

>>At a failed attempt at humor, David commented:
""">Do Jews count as white?<

Unlike you, they are whatever they want to be.""""


If they must tell themselves whatever and argue vs Darwin's theories, then so be it.
But re: Jews as or as not white, then pray tell where exactly does that leave NFLer Richard Sherman? You really should reconsider this naive idea of attempting to prove Sherman is Jewish, David.

Give it up, leave it alone, and let it be.*

*[And on a separate note, no, neither Lennon nor McCartney are Jewish although both did and do appear to resemble members belonging to the caucasian persuasion.]

Anonymous said...

So Steve can't blog about this unless he learns Ruby or Python? Come on.

No, because Ruby and Python are lame. He should learn Perl.

Tim said...

For the groups that do distressingly well at iq tests and life in general - JAWs: Jews, Asians, whites. I think it's catchy.

Kibernetika said...

Hmmm, my admittedly personal, and therefore limited anecdata from academia reflects realities that contradict Ms. DeRuy's conclusions, but I have my bureaucratic blinders on and am well trained to not quantify certain data ;)

I really wish folks didn't focus so much on gender and race/ethnicity, but we apparently must.

OK, I'll play along. But a few observations:

* The relatively few women who get tertiary degrees in CompSci are courted as if they're the only female at the prom. Not a bad thing, because most who have persevered to that level are tops

* Latinas/os: see above

* While China may be the world's shop floor, the USA is the world's university. It's good money for the unis, and most kids born in the USA aren't interested in science -- because it isn't apparently cool and doesn't pay as well as native born-favoring fields such as law, government, etc. In the real world, most US CompSci grad students are Chinese or Indian. Followed by Russian-speakers, but most of those guys can and do study at home, where there's a stronger culture of respect for mathematics, etc.

* A big thing in favor of native English speakers, though -- and here looking at work in the USA -- is fluency in English. It ain't easy, right ;)

OT but related: look at the stats for sites such as TopCoder. And keep tabs on the Top 500 rankings, where the [publicly acknowledged] HPC systems with the best capabilities get ranked. Of course, the criteria used to rank these systems are rather subjective (i.e., they traditionally favor big budgets and sexy parallel stuff, not necessarily work accomplished).








Anonymous said...

No, because Ruby and Python are lame. He should learn Perl.

Real Programmers only use C or assembly.

leftist conservative said...

if you talk a lot about socialism and marxism and marx, etc, in the context of america, you might want to stick to vacuum tube electronics as well.

Socialism/marxism vs capitalism is relevant to today's world in the same way that vacuum tubes are relevant, i.e., not at all. Marx's writings are outdated.

But there is still Labor vs Capital. And believe it or not, it is possible to talk about labor and capital without bringing the outdated theories of marx into it.

But look at the world around you: where nations are relatively small and quite white, Labor has a strong position, relative to america.

Interesting, eh? What theories might explain this observation?

Why does the position of labor in western nations weaken as the nation grows more nonwhite?

And what does size of the nation have to do with it? Why is the position of Labor stronger in smaller white nations vs larger white nations?

Anonymous said...

"where there's a stronger culture of respect for mathematics, etc." - Such as supporting their own over foreigners.

Anonymous said...

"Why does the position of labor in western nations weaken as the nation grows more nonwhite? " - flat out labor scarcity. America at 200M whites had labor in an absurdly powerful position just a half century ago, being too big simply didn't harm them.

David said...

Of course white kids are alarming, horrifying, shocking, terrifying, etc.

They're the Boys from Brazil.

Anonymous said...

"Socialism/marxism vs capitalism is relevant to today's world in the same way that vacuum tubes are relevant, i.e., not at all.

Hah! When you need RF POWER, you need TUBES! Look at your microwave oven: No Magnetron, NO POWER!!!

Look at your proton beam medical treatment: No KLYSTRONS, NO POWER!!!

Radar? Same deal.

Carlotta said...

Looking at that photo, I would say that Emily DeRuy herself is "alarmingly vanilla."

ryan said...

Steamed rice? It's white and it's Asian.