A Rolling Stone article, quoted in The American Scene, reveals that Barack Obama's most important supporters are white women:
"Then, running preliminary polls, his advisers noticed something remarkable: Women responded more intensely and warmly to Obama than did men. In a seven-candidate field, you don't need to win every vote. His advisers, assuming they would pick up a healthy chunk of black votes, honed in on a different target: Every focus group they ran was composed exclusively of women, nearly all of them white.
"There is an amazingly candid moment in Obama's autobiography when he writes of his childhood discomfort at the way his mother would sexualize African-American men. "More than once," he recalls, "my mother would point out: 'Harry Belafonte is the best-looking man on the planet.' " What the focus groups his advisers conducted revealed was that Obama's political career now depends, in some measure, upon a tamer version of this same feeling, on the complicated dynamics of how white women respond to a charismatic black man.""
My mom was a big fan of Harry Belafonte and Sidney Poitier back in the mid-1960s. To her, they embodied an admirable combination of black masculine charisma and white gentlemanliness. (In contrast, she thought Muhammad Ali an uncultured blowhard.)
It sorely disappointed her that the blacks who burned down Watts in 1965 were not following the fine example for their race set by Harry and Sidney.
She would have liked Barack Obama, too, and for the same reasons.
Now, nobody would use the term "example for their race" anymore. Today, we say "role model." And, what an awful lot of whites hope, deep down, to accomplish by electing Barack Obama President is to make him the supreme king #1 role model for all African Americans, utterly eclipsing deplorable examples such as Snoop Dogg and 50 Cent.
In other words, the message white America hopes to send to black America by electing Obama is:
Stop Acting So Black!
Start Acting More Ba-rack!
Perhaps this explains why blacks haven't been all that enthusiastic about Obama?
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I observed this phenomenon in an earlier comment on another blog post of Steve's. While some male politicians have spoke highly of him, the people-on-the-street who seem most enthusiastic about an Obama run are younger (and some middle aged) white women.
If Obama gets the Democratic nomination (which I believe is no sure thing) look for him to run fairly strong amongst white female voters on election day, but dismally amongst white males.
Hiring someone on a sympathy/looks mode ... why the heck do women have the vote?
The second anonymous sounds like Ann Coulter, lamenting female suffrage.
Sailer's comments about his mother reminded me that my mother has mentioned she thinks Ben Carson is handsome -- the famous black neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins.
If the racial thing gains Obama white women's votes and loses him white men's votes, that should give him a great chance of winning the Dem nomination, but probably not the general election versus someone like Giuliani. Single white women are a lost cause for Republicans anyway, as they are continually frightened into thinking that they are one Supreme Court Justice away from not being able to get abortions.
I recently read about Obama's church. It appears to be somewhat racist. From its website: http://www.tucc.org/about.htm
We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:
Commitment to God
Commitment to the Black Community
Commitment to the Black Family
Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.
Someone's comment about it:
His church seems to be very anti white
The only way that he could be accepted by the blacks, is to basically sell off any part of his being white. So, basically he sold his mother. Why not? It's for the "greater" good.
I suspect he might again leave those whose hearts he has won just as easily.
"In other words, the message white America hopes to send to black America by electing Obama is:
Stop Acting So Black!
Start Acting More Ba-rack!
Perhaps this explains why blacks haven't been all that enthusiastic about Obama?"
Electing Obama will change nothing. The LA riots happened during the tenure of a black mayor. NYC also had sky-high crime rates under the tenure of a black mayor. I could go on and on with more examples.
This idea that electing Obama will somehow, someway change how blacks act is stupid. It won't. The only thing that electing Obama will do is that it will allow whites to gloat about how "tolerant" they are. Electing Obama is more about status. It is a way for whites to say "I voted for a black man".
This was always about the legendary fascination the White woman has for the black male.
I really wonder if Obama's father had been White and his mother was African if this would affect White female attitudes.
Obviously the White female fascination for him is because he is black. But I think the fact that his mother was White makes White woman feel closer to him the way that black females feel closer to him because his wife is a dark black American.
Politics is very much like dating and with the White female sexual interest in black males comletely "out of the closet" it's no doubt were White female political preferences will go if a black male candidate simply steps up and asks of a date or at least a .........
You make an entirely undefended leap from "white women are attracted to black men" to "stop acting so black!" It's theoretically possible that women are (unconsciously?) supporting Obama so that he can serve as a role model to black people, but you have not even attempted to make this case.
You just told us that your mom and Obama's mom liked gentlemanly black men. Isn't a more reasonable explanation for Obama's support among white women that they're attracted to him?
a black co-worker of mine ripped into Obama yesterday. He is fairly open is his black pride and black nationalist beliefs without being excessively surly. I guess I would be his white counterpart. Surprisinlgy, we get along fairly well. He said he would rather see Cheney run and win in 2008 than Obama. Why? He feels that white enthusiasm for Obama is, as many here would say, something for white liberals to feel good about themselves for not being racist. "Look at me, Mr. generic black man. I'm not a racist. I have black friends and voted for a black man to be president."
The second anonymous sounds like Ann Coulter, lamenting female suffrage.
That's exactly why Coulter is the best of the mainstream right-wing commentators. Women shouldn't have the vote. Women's suffrage has unquestionably been a disaster for this country. It wasn't mere oversight, nor was it irrational "prejudice" on the part of early Americans that led women to be denied suffrage until the 20th century.
My home state of Massachusetts recently elected the first black governor in state history, Deval Patrick. Patrick is darker-skinned than B. Hussein Obama, but he is even less masculine-seeming (and I don't think BHO is very masculine). He has a very high voice (I think Hillary's voice is deeper than Patrick's). Anonymous number 8 is clearly correct about what's going on in Patrick's case: something for white liberals to feel good about themselves for not being racist.
JA, stop being so nit-picky. The two points - that white women like Obama because he is an attractive, gentlemanly black man, and that white people want to elect him so he can serve as a role model to blacks - are related, not logically bound. The first refers to a tendency among white women, the second to the hope of a larger generality of white people.
The country would be much improved if blacks adopted Barack Obama as a role model rather than some rap musician.
Barack is definitely what you call a White Black Man. Which means, he isn't Black enough to really impress Black people. He doesn't ooze that African masculinity the same way even the very refined and aristocratic looking Denzel does. It's about culture, not just color.
Attending that church is just overcompensation. Kind of like the ex-Gays, Barack is an ex-White. Barack is a young kid still figuring himself out. He reminds me of a lot of young professional types: very smart, very educated, and has no idea who he is. And I don't mean that in a racial way.
Colin Powell strikes me as very solid and trustworthy as a Black leader. He wanted to put the breaks on this crazy war fiasco in the early stages, which earned him big time points with me.
But Barack and Hillary? You've got to be kidding me.
It just hit me: proof that Barack is White. That quote about Barack feeling funny when his mother would say so-and-so was handsome... No Black man would diss his momma in a book or on TV like that. No way, no how.
"It just hit me: proof that Barack is White."
Barack is not white. He is a mulatto. He "acts" white because he has adopted upper-class norms.
JA, stop being so nit-picky. The two points... are related, not logically bound.
I'm not being nit-picky -- I'm pointing out that the claim Sailer is making over and over again and that is the title of this post is completely unsubstantiated by the slightest hint of evidence.
It's an interesting claim and could, in theory, be true, but I've seen no indication from Sailer or anyone else that it actually is true. Sailer seems to pride himself on being more empirical than the mainstream media, yet his claims here are no more substantiated than if I write that people are supporting Obama because they want to stick it to conservatives who can't handle the fact that his middle name is "Hussein."
JA,
That Steve is more empirical than most in the mainstream media (which I believe is true) doesn't mean that he has to offer exhaustive statistical analyses to justify his every observation. If that were the case, he would post maybe one article on his blog every three weeks. And where would his fans be then?
Most of what you say is true but better Obama than Hillary.
That Steve is more empirical than most in the mainstream media (which I believe is true) doesn't mean that he has to offer exhaustive statistical analyses to justify his every observation.
I'm not asking for "exhaustive statistical analyses," just some semblance of evidence, or even just an explanation for why he believes what he does.
White women think negroes are ugly and are NOT attracted to them.It is a sexual perversion. SOME white gilrs,like Obamas mother--and can we be a little candid for once:yes its bad bad bad to talk of ones mother,but Baracks mom really seems like a screwed up freak,who spread for some sicko AFRICAN nutcase,and wound up dumped,(she dies of ovarian cancer at 56,lucky it wasnt AIDS)---some have a freak fetish for dark men. Women are just plain stupid when it comes to voting. They do not care about broader issues.
Sorry for 2nd post,:0,but I have to comment on the idea that blacks dont go for Obama:Yes he is "clean and articulate",and maybe blacks have some class issues and reserves about a yella -brotha,BUT he is black,and blacks will support him 100%. He may not draw out the non-voters like a Jessie would,but black voters will pick Obama period. its the black "machine",the reverends.the local pols,etc who are dubious about Barack. He is strongly disliked by locals here(Chi) like Bobbyb rush,the Jacksons,etc
JA,
What kind of evidence do you want him to present, an AP poll?
"Why are you supporting Obama for President? Please choose one:
A: He's black, and it makes me feel good as a white person to vote for black people.
B: He's black, and I hope that with him as President, black inner city kids will aspire to be more than gangstas.
C: He's attractive (and black!) and I'm a white thirty-something housewife who never satisfied my jungle fever.
D: I agree with his policies."
Yeah, I'm sure that's forthcoming. :-)
As for why he believes it, maybe he believes it because:
1) Alot of white people REALLY want black people to stop acting so, well, black.
2) Lack of positive black male role models are often cited by white liberals as a reason why black kids seem to give up on themselves.
Connect the dots, my friend.
"He doesn't ooze that African masculinity the same way even the very refined and aristocratic looking Denzel does."
Everytime I see him, I think to myself, "that guy looks like Barney Fife with a tan and an afro."
On the other hand, Don Knots was supposedly a real ladies man..
In US presidential elections, over 50 percent of eligible voters don't bother to vote.
Of the remaining 45 to 48 percent of the eleigible voters that bother to vote, half of them vote for the Republican party.
So figure around 24 percent of eligible voters vote for the Democraic candidate
Let' assume half of this 24 percent is female. Now we are down to twelve percent female support for a democratic presidential candidate such as the megalmaniac half-breed Obama. A significant percentage of this female Democratic vote is obviously black and hispanic female. Also throw in some of the asian and muslim female democratic vote
So we are realistically talking about less than twelve percent of White female voters going ga-ga over the half -breed meglamaniac Obama Barrack.
If my numbers are resonable, we can conclude that a majority of NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN WOMEN will not vote for the megalamaniac half-breed Barack Obama. OR TO PUT IT ANOTHER WAY, A MAJORITY OF NATIVE BORN WHITE WOMEN DO NOT HAVE THE HOTS FOR NEGRO MEN.
US presidential elections are run like toothpaste commercials. This is all that has to said about them.
Vote Republican every time, America dies
Vote Democrtic every time, America dies
Steve, sorry to hear that you mom has the hots for negro men.
One last thing. Obamma and his wife were interviewed by Steve Croft. Croft asked Obamma's Harvard-law educated wife if she worried about Obama being assasinated. She said she is worried that he could be assasiinated at a gas station because he is a black man.
She might have a point. Obama should stay away from gas stations in East LA, Detroit and Hempstead LI. Much safer if he buys his gas in safe middle class NATIVE BORN WHITE COMMUNITIES.
Jupiter
Pffft. Somewhere out there some feminist is arguing men shouldn't have the vote because we're too bellicose.
I agree with both of Steve's points but not the connection. Yes women like him because he's cute (duh), yes white people like him because he's not culturally black (duh), but I don't see this as some sort of racial drama. People just have preferences that often but not always make sense.
The thing Steve does have is a big mouth. He's actually willing to go out and say white people like Obama because he's not too black. Good for his readers, bad for his career.
"White women think negroes are ugly and are NOT attracted to them.It is a sexual perversion."
While that is probably half true, Peter Frost's work shows that white women are less repulsed by black skin than white men are. AKA, while there might be a general repulsion it is smaller than what White Men may have for Black Women.
"Women are just plain stupid when it comes to voting. They do not care about broader issues."
Perhaps its innate and women think more with their emotions (aka dont think) than their heads, or perhaps cultural in the sense that, even with all the yap about equality, women simply are a protected group - but in either case, yes, I agree - women should not have the vote.
Add to that a woman's bias towards security rather than freedom - perhaps because its more adaptive as they have children - giving them the vote virtually guarantees the growth of restrictive nanny governments.
Pffft. Somewhere out there some feminist is arguing men shouldn't have the vote because we're too bellicose.
And your point is what, exactly?
1st of all, no one with a functioning brain takes feminists seriously.
Secondly: The point is not that someone can make the argument that so and so shouldn't have the vote. Who the f*ck cares about that? The point is whether you can make a solid case for denying a certain suffrage to a certain portion of the populace. Go ahead and have female-only suffrage if you want to live in a socialist state that makes the Soviet Union look like a paragon of freedom and efficiency.
On the other hand, denying women the vote makes perfect sense if full-scale socialism isn't your thing.
Some blacks are already of the opinion that Obama will be assassinated if he even gets within sniffing distance of the White House.
I remember being in a bookshop when a middle-class middle-aged white woman asked the sales assistant where she could find Nelson Mandela's autobiography Long Walk to Freedom. 'He's my hero!' she gushed.
Mandela's gentlemanly persona undoubtedly owes much to his colonial education:
At seven years of age, Rolihlahla Mandela became the first member of his family to attend a school, where he was given the name "Nelson", after the British admiral Horatio Nelson, by a Methodist teacher who found it difficult to pronounce Mandela's native name.
His father died of tuberculosis when Rolihlahla was nine, and the Regent, Jongintaba, became his guardian. Mandela attended a Wesleyan mission school next door to the palace of the Regent. Following Thembu custom, he was initiated at age sixteen, and attended Clarkebury Boarding Institute, learning about Western culture. He completed his Junior Certificate in two years, instead of the usual three.
Destined to inherit his father's position as a privy councillor, in 1937 Mandela moved to Healdtown, the Wesleyan college in Fort Beaufort which most Thembu royalty attended. Aged nineteen, he took an interest in boxing and running.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela
It is funny to see insecure white men on this blog saying that white women are not attracted to blacks.
The only reason why there aren't more white women hooking up with black men is because black men tend to be poorer than white men, and thus are not as good of an "investment".
However, a lot of white women do like black men. Look at how popular Densel Washington is among white women.
Rod's anecdote reminds me of one of mine - a secretary I once worked with (female).
She was gushing about how evil things once were, when they used to sterilize people with an IQ of 70.
As if it was ever such a clear cut moral case.
Most people with an IQ of 70 dont know nor care one way or the other if they are sterilized. Furthermore, they will most certainly not be the ones who take care of their offspring - the taxpayer will. And their offspring will cause the same problems, problems that may include massive amounts of crime.
One could say, hypothetically, that allowing them to reproduce should not be the concern of anyone else - that even with all the attendent problems- we make the choice to allow them their rights.
But if such was the case, and it seems to me that the above is the only acceptable reasoning for that course of action - why the heck was she gushing? Its a grim tradeoff.
From what Ive seen, women in general short-circuit to their emotions as the path of least resistance, with thought being a frill, an extra but not the major way of comprehending the world.
Id say the difference is half a standard deviation or more comparative to men. Fred Reed has an amusing article on some of the downsides of giving women more unearned arbitrary power in a recent article of his.
http://fredoneverything.net/WomenandAfAc.shtml
Most White women do not sleep with black men.
Most White Women will not vote for the meglamaniac half-breed Barack Obama. An upper bound on the number of Native Born White Women-who are eligible to vote- who will vote for the half-breed negro Barack Obama:seven percent. That's an upper bound. The actual number is very likely much lower.
The pro-Israeli dirty Liberal Jew's pornograhic dream is to separate NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN WOMEN from NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN MEN.
I feel bad that Steve Sailer has a white mother who is sexually attracted to negros. Maybe this explains his obssession with IQ "scientific" research.
Jupiter
>>The only reason why there aren't more white women hooking up with black men is because black men tend to be poorer than white men, and thus are not as good of an "investment".<<
No, as I mentioned, I think it's an IQ thing, not a money thing. People mate assortatively with respect to intelligence. The number of black men even one standard deviation above the mean in intelligence is vanishingly small.
Sure, among relatively unintelligent women, blacks have more appeal, but money and "investment" is not so much an issue in the underclass.
But, yeah, if blacks had more money, they'd probably do better among the 100-115 IQ set of white women.
"The pro-Israeli dirty Liberal Jew's pornograhic dream is to separate NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN WOMEN from NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN MEN."
Why do white women respond to this "brain washing"? There are more white women sleeping with blacks than ever before, and every year the number of black male/white female relationships goes up. If white women didn't secretly like black men, then why would they respond so much to the "brain washing"?
It seems you are just afraid of facing the truth: black men are more masculine than white men, and white women (hell, all women) like masculine men.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
>>If that were true, then you would expect to see a lot more white women hooking up with asian men.<<
People mate assortatively according to intelligence. That is a fact (and an obvious one). It's not the only determinant in mating decisions. If white women aren't snapping up Chinese men, then we know it has nothing to do with their intelligence, and we can look for other factors.
But low IQ does account for why higher IQ white women are turned off by black men. Again, the number of blacks even one standard deviation above the mean in IQ is much smaller than people generally realize.
But who's turned on by high IQ white women?
We should distinguish between
simple atraction and marriageability.
By the criteria which we'd judge masculinity, the average black man simply knocks the stuffing out of the average white man.
"People mate assortatively according to intelligence. That is a fact (and an obvious one). It's not the only determinant in mating decisions. If white women aren't snapping up Chinese men, then we know it has nothing to do with their intelligence, and we can look for other factors."
You just contradicted yourself. You say people mate according to intelligence, but claim that there can be other factors.
I am not claiming that intelligence doesn't count, but I am claiming that there are other factors in play as well. Looks and masculinity/femininity also matter.
Also half of all white people (and thus half of all white women) have an IQ of 100 or less. So, there are clearly a lot of white women on the left side of the bell curve that would be willing to hook up with blacks. People don't marry someone who has their exact IQ, they marry someone in a nearby range (plus or minus) of their IQ.
Yes, JA, I'd also like to see Steve publicly alienate half his readership. Quit trying to police the blogosphere. Personally, I don't mind racists - some of my best friends are racists.
Hmm.. My own personal objection to sterilizing people with low IQs would be with giving the government the power to sterilize anyone at all. Further, why should IQ be the only criteria for sterilization? I'd much prefer to sterlize ugly people, which, unfortunately, would
involve sterilizing
large percentages of the current mensa membership.
Criterion is the singular, criteria the plural. Don't worry, though. I won't demand your sterilization.
I think that anyone who'd quibble over such an obscure point of usage deserves to be sterilized.
From Webster's:
usage The plural criteria has been used as a singular for over half a century -let me now return to the third criteria -- R. M. Nixon - that really is the criteria -- Bert Lance. Many of our examples, like the two foregoing, are taken from speech. But singular criteria is not uncommon in edited prose, and its use both in speech and writing seems to be increasing. Only time will tell whether it will reach the unquestioned acceptability of agenda.
Barack Obama is a half-breed megalamaniac.
If this coon is elected he will do an excellent job of representing corporate and Jewish interests.
In fact, it doesn't make a difference who gets elected.
The US political system is set up to select for traitors.
The game works like this:how many $$$$$$$$$$ can the greedy cheating class steal from NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN WORKING CLASS.
This requires the NATIVE BORN WHITE WORKING CLASS MALE TO BE Demonized and marginalized.
Barack the coon's job is to complete the demonization and marginalizatin of NATIVE BORN WHITE WORKING CLASS MALES.
It is the massive greed of the greedy cheating class that hides behind and subsidizes black racists such as Barack Obamma the coon.
I have no idea if the coon Barack Obama can win over the testosterone flushed bull-dyke Hillarly Clinton(does she sport a false penis like the african hyena bitch?).
It really doesn't matter who wins-unless you have a deep interest in political campaigns that have the same intellectual depth as a toothpaste commercial.
Jupiter
Anon is right. Black men are more masculine than White men, on the average, hence there's more of a draw towards them on the part of White women. Also, even more importantly, they've been taught for a couple of generations that they're immoral if they're _not_ so attracted.
Joshrandall is clearly nuts and "Jupiter" even more so. In the latter case, I know that Steve quite rightly prides himself on his non PC-ness, but surely there ought to be a language policy here against words like "coon" and "bull-dyke." Would Steve approve if people started writing f*ck in their posts? Does he want this to be the right-wing equivalent to Pandagon?
Anyway, I'd like to point out that the leading opponent of forced sterlization of the "unfit" was not an emotional female but that entirely male-run, generally rather intellectual institution, the Roman Catholic Church, something for which they were condemned at the time by liberals and progressives (just as with abortion today). It was one of the Church's finest hours. (Of course, I wouldn't shocked at all if Joshrandall, Jupiter, and Mensarefugee are racists of the pseudo-Norse pagan variety who will make some crack about pedophilia, so I will attempt to pre-empt by saying Church leadership was much more masculine then.)
P.S. I observe the criteria/criterion distinction, do not consider it "obscure," and hardly regard Richard Nixon as my usage authority.
Many of the women who date black guys do it for the attention they get. Black men want white women so badly that they actually put a lot of effort into securing the kind of white girls (fat, dull, trashy) that white guys want nothing to do with.
Btw Obama doesn't even look black, he looks hispanic or something.
"Many of the women who date black guys do it for the attention they get. Black men want white women so badly that they actually put a lot of effort into securing the kind of white girls (fat, dull, trashy) that white guys want nothing to do with."
Keep telling yourself that, then when you catch your wife or girlfriend in bed with a black man you can come on here and cry about it.
" Single white women are a lost cause for Republicans anyway, as they are continually frightened into thinking that they are one Supreme Court Justice away from not being able to get abortions."
With good cause. For many it's true.
Overturning Roe vs. Wade, although it is bad constitutionally,will make abortions virtually unavailable in many states. It will be dysgenic in that smarter, more successful women-or women supported or impregnated by more successful men-will be more easily able to go out of state to have it done.
Single women who value their independence should vote over abortion the exact same way men who value their guns should, and usually do, vote over gun control.
"Anyway, I'd like to point out that the leading opponent of forced sterlization of the "unfit" was not an emotional female but that entirely male-run, generally rather intellectual institution, the Roman Catholic Church, something for which they were condemned at the time by liberals and progressives (just as with abortion today). It was one of the Church's finest hours."
No, it wasn't.
While I don't think sterilization should be "forced", the retarded and those incapable of supporting themselves, and those with genetic diseases which will be passed on, should certainly be highly encouraged to be fixed.
To JA:
Are you aware of what happened to Sarai and to Ron ? Are you aware of what happened in Long Beach ? Are you aware of what happened in Knoxville in January ? When you fling the "r" word about, you should know that we ARE aware of what happened and the motive behind it. These kind of things have gone on ALL MY LIFE. What kind of country does this ? What kind of country permits this ?
James K,
What do you do if someone says agenda in the place of agendum? Do you let it slide, or are you still fighting that battle? Is it that the data is stored on the computer or that the datum is stored on the computer? Did the man go to an opera, or did the man go to an operum? Good for you, if you insist on complete faithfulness to the original Latin and Greek usage, but most people aren't so gung-ho about this kind of thing.
When Israeli president George W Bush nukes Iran after Feb 21 there will be fewer people pulling their punches
The noise-to-signal ratio is getting pretty high here. And, yes, that is due to the presence of hardcore racists, just the kind of people I would think Steve would want to disassociate himself from, given that he wants his non-racist brand of race realism to gain greater mainstream acceptance. So, like Jewish Atheist, I'm awaiting some kind of decision from Steve as to how he will address this.
You mean ...remove the evil sad hardcore racists so the feminazis can rule the world?
Just thought I'd point out that I do not believe that there are racial differences in intelligence(this an issue when you should pay attention to the writings of negro economist Tom Sowell)
This caused Lawrence Auster to explode with rage at me when he was impersonating a southern college student-daedulus- over at majority rights.
If NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS allow corporate frontman and protector of Jewish interest Barack Obama to define the terms of the debate-diversity is an apriori great thing and America will die if she doesn't maiximize the scale of diversity within her borders-NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS WILL BE DEMOGRAPHICALLY REDUCED TO A RACIAL MINORITY. And if this ever happens, we should assume the worst. Only a fool would assume otherwise.
Native Born White interests define the terms of the debate, not the interests of Steve Saile's pet legal immigrants-asians- and their racial supremacists sons-proprieter of geneexpression-and daughters.
Jupiter
"When Israeli president George W Bush nukes Iran after Feb 21 there will be fewer people pulling their punches"
It is amazing how much power the neo-con Jews (and liberal Jews) hold. You can't even complain about their behavior without being driven out of polite society.
Damn Jews...
"If NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS allow corporate frontman and protector of Jewish interest Barack Obama to define the terms of the debate-diversity is an apriori great thing and America will die if she doesn't maiximize the scale of diversity within her borders"
The Jews control both the Dems and the Repubs, so there is no hope. Both sides serve the same master.
"Native Born White interests define the terms of the debate, not the interests of Steve Saile's pet legal immigrants-asians- and their racial supremacists sons-proprieter of geneexpression-and daughters."
This is one thing I never understood about Sailer. He seems to say that as long as the immigrants are "good" (ie, not low performing), then it doesn't matter if they come here in droves.
What about the whites that will be replaced by the asian tide? No word from Sailer about this.
From Webster's:
Webster's is an American publication whose guiding mission has always been to defile the English language in the cause of American exceptionalism.
This is one thing I never understood about Sailer. He seems to say that as long as the immigrants are "good" (ie, not low performing), then it doesn't matter if they come here in droves.
Remember, Steve's a citizenist, whatever that means. So he probably doesn't mind Asians, as long as they don't date his daugther or are Muslims.
Anoymoous
Both Sailer and the legal immigrant Peter Brimelow-nice spread in the Berkshires-have said very little- maybe not even a peep-about legal asian immigration.
Oh wait that's not quite true.
Stevie once wrote on vdare-about seven years ago-that the super-intelligent hindu legal immigrant should hold his and her finer nose and form a coalition with the less intelligent Europen American in opposition to a black-hspanic coalition.This is Sailer's idea of citizenship
Legal immigrant Peter Brimelow-very nice spread in the Berkshires- said in a video of a talk he gave- I think it was at vanderbilt -that High tech companies should be allowed to have the H-1B visa hindus and chinese-scab workers- as long as "WE" can get rid of the Mexicans.
MY broither was an H-1 b visa victim. A few months after he was replaced by one of Stevie Sailers super -smart legal immigrant pets from asia, my brother's index finger became weak. Two months later he was diagnosed with Lou Gehrigs disease. He died in my arms December 22 2003 because of a defective bipap machine(The Jews believe our tax dollars are much better spent tortuing Iraq than providing high quality care for an American who couldn't even wipe his own ass So fuck all you Jew bastards) Trust my it is a very unpleasant experience to have the paramedic tell you over the phone to start pounding my brother hard in the chest which I did. I tried everything to revive him including mouth to mouth We buried him in the freezing cold on Christmass Eve December 24 2003. Because my brother died at Christmass time very few cousins attended the funeral.
I took a four mounth leave of absence from work to provide full-time care for my brother.
The home aid worker was a six foot four inch athletic legal immigrant from the cesspool Ghana who physically challenged me on several occasions passing comments about my small hands(I was a starting running back in high school and ran the 100 meter dash). The hand comparison of course was a relative one. This nigger had large hands by any human standard.
The physical harrssment and intimadation contiued for three more weeks. One hot summer day, this niggert took off his shirt and stared shadow boxing in my brother's-quaddropedic at this time-bedroom telling my brother how he he hasn't beaten the shit out of anyone in years. A week later he bragged about his kung-fu skills and started throwing mock punches and klicks towards my head. I exploded and nearly killed him, I brioke his jaw and nose. I came very close to killimg him. My last punch sent him across the room staggering. I controled myself because I knew came very closd to killing him.I'm a former street fighter.
Moral of the story:Leagal asians do in fact inflict very serious harm on Native Born White Families. Legal imimgrant nigges from africa can be very dangerous. Oh here is the real kick in the ass:this legal immigrant nigger has three "American" born childrem. All three of them will no doubt be given afirmative action preferences over my brothers ten year old blond hair blue=eyed son and my tqwo blond haired blue-eyed young daugters(I have black hair and green Irish eyes)
The legal immigrant hindu thief-Steve Sailers and Peter Brimelows favorite immigrants-qualify to recieve a gates scholarship to study computer science in college.
It just occurred to me that a the child of a legal immigrant form Japan-offspring of a Japanese soldier during WW@-would also qualify for a Gates competer studies scholarship.
I hate Sailer and Brimelow-recieves a lot of secret emails from his pet legal immigrant goup(hindu) because they beleive there should a natural coalition between NATIV BORN WHITE AMERicans and legal asian imigrants.
I hate legal asian immigrants. My family knows from first hand experience they pain and suffering they inflict on struggling NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN families.
Peter Brimelow is very luicky to have a nice spread in New Hampshire where his son can pursue his confederate fantasies-another cabalof traitors even to this(neoconfederates today conspire with leftist such as Kirkpatricj Sale to encourage mexican and asian seccessionist movements in the American West) day- dressed up in his renactors confederate uniform.
But the rest, of us we are forced to take the full blow of legal asian immigration.
With friends like this who needs enemies?
Peter Brimelow and Steve Saier are economic reactionaries. This really is what lies behind their interest in race and IQ science. John Tanton included
They both see legal asian immigrants fitting in naturally into their free market-pro-corprate business agenda.
One of the nasty consequences of legal asian immigration is that legal aisn imimgrants push up home values and property taxes-FU YEH LING-Throw in a reassessment and yo can loose the home you own-mortage paid off-in a tax lien sale to an asian immigrants(this actually happened to a black grandmother where I live. Property taxes went up; she couldn't pay the taxes and a paki immigrant bought the her home in a tax lien sale and gave her home to his 21 year old paki son so his poaki son could start a family)
I hate legal asian immigrants. They are predatory. Their intentions towards us are not benign
Jupiter
"Remember, Steve's a citizenist, whatever that means. So he probably doesn't mind Asians, as long as they don't date his daugther or are Muslims."
I think Steve hasn't thought this through. Citizenism is impossible. People will always stick up and defend their own group's/race's interests. Even if immigration ended, Citizenism will change nothing in respect to the racial strife that exists in this country. I personally think Steve wants to have his cake and eat it too. That is, he wants to somehow merge liberalism and racial realism into one big happy existence.
Sorry, Steve-o, it is not going to happen.
The worst thing about the hardcore types like Jupiter are how incredibly tiresome they are. I've gotten past being duly horrified to the point of fainting the way PC society says I should at rants that repeat "NATIVE WHITE CHRISTIAN MALES" or somesuch over and over (caps lock, btw, is one of the more reliable indicators of online stupidity), but I still find it hard to stomach if only because the axe people like Jupiter are grinding subsumes all other rational thought. They end up acting like the Marxist who can point out bourgeois oppression in the weather.
BTW Jupiter,
Brimelow said only that he thought one could maybe make a limited case for H1-Bs in particular industries at particular times (like, say, when there was an short term and painful shortage of computer programmers), and he emphasized that it was something that should be seen as at best a luxury, not something a country like America does as a matter of course.
This very loose affiliation with the truth makes you look even dumber.
I'm not getting into a back-and-forth anti-troll argument here, but I would like to point out that the Berkshires are not in New Hampshire. They are mainly in Masachusetts but extend a bit into Connecticut, where Brimelow actually lives.
Brimelow should state very cleary on vdare.com his views on the H1-B visa program and asian immigration in general. So should Steve Sailer.
I would like to know how Peter Brimelow and Sailer feel about the racial colinization of silicon valley by chinese and hindus.
As far as my boring comments go, there are a lot of horror atories out there caused by legal asian immigration.
The neo-classical econometric equations are incapable of capturing the misery caused by legal asian immigration.
It's not like delicate types such as yourself-Peter Brimelow is it?-can ignore the rage and anger that is building up in this society towrds Steve Sailers favorite immigrant group.
Right after 9/11, the H-1B visa scab workers were recieving annoymous hate mail from-no doubt- their White co-workers.
The hate email was so bad, that the H-1 B hindu scab workers were experiencing psychological trauma. The tech companies hired a bunch of phd clinical psychologist to counsel the poor little things.
The rage is out there and it its starting to roar. This is where the fight to protect the legitimate interests of NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIANs begins.
I don't give a flying fuck if legal asian immigrantds are now being harmed by new waves of legal and illegal immigrants.
If the environmentalists get their way, there will be fewer places for NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIANS TO FLEE TO. When this happens-at a time when resources will be scarcer than they are now - the immigration issue will be settled with force and violence.
If it bothers you-jew bastard or asian-that NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIANS are the majority, tough shit.
Quite frankly, I'm fed up.
I'm not interested in forming a political coalition with the hindu facist and supremacist Vishod Khalsa. I hope someone beats the shit out of this hindu punk.
WE-Native Born White Christian Americans- are in fierce competition with asians over the scare resources of America.
I will not conceede an inch of American territory to china and India.
They will be driven out.
If we are honest, there is a defacto European Exclusion act in the tech industries and increasingly the medical professional.
Take you boring comments and shove them up your jewish fat ass.
Remember what that nice offspring of asian legal immigrants said to Peter Brimelow in the pornographic Village Voice 12 years ago:WE WILL BURY YOU!!!!
Oh yeah you fucking asian bastard.
Bryanna Bevens is a bimbo.
Barack Obama is the noose around around NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICA's Neck-perhaps more so than the testostrone flushed bull-dyke Hillary Clinton.
Jupiter
"Joshrandall is clearly nuts" :0 Am I nuts??--Or am I so sane that I jusy BLEW your mind?!? :) How apropos that I should be referencing Kramer on this thread! What'd I say thats so bad? I think its more in the way I say it. A)As for white women being ga ga over black males,I hope theyre not--but its outta my control. But I sure as heck dont have to like it--do I?? B)The Obama Momma? Why was Clintons mom,dear old Virginia subject to so much analysis of her love life,child raising,personal problems,etc,but Obama momma ,who seems equally if not more screwed up is off-limits? The part about her telling Li'l Barack about black men being attractive--uh,sorry,thats sick! C)Obama is not well liked by the black political "mafia"(oh sorry,kabala I hope I wasnt being "nuts" using that word)? He ran against ex-Black Panther Rush for congress,the Golden Boy lost,and there is NO love lost between them. Ease up on name calling,jack ass!
As for Jupiter,I strongly(or should I say STRONGLY)agree with him!I dont find him,or his opnions,tiresome in the least! If you thin blood prissy I-know-where-the-Berkshires-are types are so easily 'tired',maybe you should take Geritol--perhaps with a chaser of Midol! Asian immigration,legal or not,is a serious,serious issue;it does NOT (oops,sorry!:) )get nearly the attention it needs! The creation of a large,foreign,hostile and clannish tech class in our country,who arent as "brilliant" as their rep,who come from countries with savage and murderous class distinctions,(and in China,at least,a government that is ferociously corrupt,cruel amd oppressive)is a huge step backward---yes,especially for NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN MALES-who need to stop being so cooperative in their own demise!
I apologize for calling you (and even Jupiter) nuts, since it reflects the unfortunate modern liberal tendency to medicalize everything and see mental illness eveywhere. I should have said vulgar, profane, and tiresome, but not nuts. I am not going to get into a flame war with you or anyone else, so I have nothing more to say.
Anon, you make all kinds of assumptions about me that are simply wrong, which is indicative of your problem (and Jupiter's) that I mentioned about your passions subsuming rational thought.
For the record, I don't think there's anything wrong with whites having an inherent preference for whites and the societies they've created. I think it's perfectly healthy and I myself subscribe to this view.
But there is an obvious difference between preference for your own and hatred of the other. Because you love your own children and care for their well-being more than other people's, does that somehow mean that you hate other people's?
You people quite simply go off the rails in your spittle-flecked vulgarity and animosity. Repreatedly calling Obama a coon and using "NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN MALES" like some sort of magical mantra reveals you as a pointlessly angry, hate-filled, impotent person.
And it's doubly regrettable since you make reasoned, intelligent discourse about ethnic identity impossible through your senseless ranting.
Russel makes a valid point in that discussion of racial matters is something that needs to happen,and name-calling may be just what the opposition wants. But keeping people from getting angry is a fools errand; I hope Russ has informed the non-whites that they too need to be civil! :)
James
I'm not interested in a flame war. I'll fully accept the vulgar and profane comments.
The reality my family has experienced with regard to asian legal immigration has been quite nasty and brutal.
I realize that academics and academics to be such as yourself are used to certain style discussing things.
There is a very nasty brutal reality out here in the heartland that academic types are largely insulated from. Nothing that I have written is made up. I wish it was made up. But it's not
Academic types and journalist spend way to much reading econometric and cliometric studies. If it's not in the numbers it doesn't exist. Reality is completely washed out.
Actually I think historians capture a much more accurate description of reality in America than the mad calibrators such as Lawrence Summers,David Card-I really hate this character- and the very pompous and boring Brad Delong. The most important data points are peoples real-life experiences
I am just one of millions of data points in America. But I'm not the only one expressing my expereince with legal asian immigrants.
Someone, should set up a website where the victims of Steve Sailers- and possibly Peter Brimelows-favaorite immigrant group(asian legal immigrants) can make posts about their favorite experience.
With the exception of Black political scientist Carol Swain-The New White Nationalism-academic types,mainstream journalists and even some immigration refromers are completetly clueless.
Rare events aren't as rare as these the aforementioned suspects think they are. Catstrophic events very likely follow a probablity distribution with fat tails.
There is only an illusion of stability in America. America is living on borrowed time. Time may run out on the day after Feb22(read Paul Craig Roberts most recent column)
I beleive that all literary and academic pretenses should be dropped at this point in time.
The managers of this scociety are not that intelligent. They have just been VERY LUCKY. What they are basically doing is gambling. And it isn't even intelligent gambling.
We have an economic system and political system run by charcters who are driven to maximize profit as quick as possible. This midset has unfortunately diffused into the general population.
This gaurantees that America is probably a doomed society. Stability and security is of the lowest priority for the managers of this society.
Anyone who seriously thinks that voting for the boy wonder Barack Obama or Hillary the testosterone flushed-bulldyke will prevent a catastrophe in the near future is delusional.
I don't know why someone as intelligent as Steven Sailer would want to participate in commentary about the Hillary/Barack Obama
toothpaste commercial.
Leave that to trivial mind of Chris Matthews
I could have been murdered by a six foot four 22o pound gang banger legal immigrant from Ghana who was working as a home health aid worker.
It sickens me to think that this character has two american born children who will get affirnmative action preferences over my brother's-my brother an H-1B victim who died from one the worst diseaases known to man in my own fucking arms-son
I want revenge.I know who many enemies are.
Barck Obama-if elected- will comit treason agianst America and probably commit war crmes against Iran,Columbia and Venezuela. He is the african variety of a fucking piece of shit.
I hate Barack Obama. with every fibre of my body
Barack or the testosterone flushed bull-dyke Hilary, should be resisted by Every NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS. THEY ARE BOTH EVIL CREATURES FORM HELL.
I'M am not impressed in the least with his phony, harvard educated race baiting black wife.
Jupiter
I note Steve is leaving well alone.
N.B. to all anons. Selecting 'Other' instead of 'Anonymous' in choosing an identity allows you to put a name to your post.
I don't blame any LEGAL immigrant who comes here for coming here. I blame the people who make it legal for such a flood of people to come here and in such a way as to disrupt American lives.
Most Chinese and Indian immigrants come here because the US-even in places like LA-is way less crowded and safer and, relative to what they earn, not moe expensive than cities with their notion of decent standards over there. You'd come over too.
I believe in stopping it, but personal, vituperative attacks on them are not helping. Go after Ted Kennedy and George Bush instead.
"NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN MEN."
Repeat over and over.
You know I think Revy Oliver and Pierce had a good case that Christianity was a Semitic religion, and not fit for Whites. Pierce called his flavor of pantheism Cosmotheism.
Makes some sense do you not agree?
Jupiter,
Does all that raving make you feel better? Do you really think it serves any purpose than your own emotional satisfaction? I see you're not really saying anything except "I really really hate Obama!!" except with more caps and a lot more typos.
Why not just buy a punching bag and post a picture of Obama on it instead of wasting our time with this pointlessness?
I doubt Steve would want to censor white nationalists, even if he disagrees with them. At least 50% and probably 80% of the country would consider him one of them already anyway so what's to gain?
re: asians, I think the question as Steve (and I) see it is what's best for current US citizens. Immigration will always hurt some natives, but it could also help other natives. Creative destruction is a fact of life and there will always be some unlucky people who lose. The key is not to have immigration that is a big net loss for current citizens, which is what mass Mexican immigration is. I think the jury is still out on relatively lower scale asian immigration.
Riot Nrrd
here is where you are wrong.
The Chinese,hindus and sikhs actively participate in shaping and perpetuating US immigration.
There are over a hundred traitors in the US congress that belong to the India policy group.
The India policy group is a group of wealthy hindus who have used their wealth to buy fucking traitors such as congressman Joe Crowley from Westechester and pro-Israeli traitor congressman Steven Israel from Huntington LI
I was watching Lou Dobbs one night and there was a story about the India policy group. In the video front and center were Crowley and Israel sitting attentively listening to the demands of these wealthy hindus.
Crowley is a real fucking bastard. He has openely said on TV that these jobs belong to hindus who want to migrate to America.
Three years ago a very wealthy hindu from a hindu legal immigrant organization appeared on Lou Dobbs.
This fat little hindu bastard issued a direct to NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICA. He said:if the H-1 B visa program is shut down Hindu "Americans" will retailiate.
What could he possibly have meant by this? I think we all know the answer to this question.
The Pakistani legal immigrant organization issued a similar threat after 9/11 when there was extreme fear in the muslim community
of muslim immigration being completely shutdown.
Then there was the billionaire hindu supremacist Vishod Khalsa issuing his threats to NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICA on a 60 minutes broadcast-The Tata Institute segment- four years ago. This dirty hindu supremacist couldn't stop boasting about the hindus commubity enormous clout in the US political system. And then Khalsa finished off by boasting about the intellectually superiority of the hindu in America over the NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN.
These are the kind of legal immigrants that Steven Sailer is enamoured off.
During George W Bush's first presidential run he spoke to a group off wealthy hindus who were concerned that the H-1b visa program might be shut down. BUSH REASSURED THE WEALTHY LEGAL IMMIGRANT HINDUS THAT THE H-1 b visa program would continue apace if he were elected
Legal immigrant hindus,sikhs and chinese are not innocent by standers.
THEY SHOULD BE BLAMED AND HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
The liberals at numbersusa would call this immigrant bashing.
I say we need more legal immigrant bashing.
BIMBO Bryanna Bevins wets her panties everytime one of those good legal asian immigrants writes in complaining about being undercut by newer waves of legal immigrants from asia. I QUITE FRANKLY DON'T GIVE A SHIT IF SOME LEGAL IMMIGRANT ASIANS ARE BEING UNDERCUT BY NEWER WAVES OFF LEGAL ASIAN IMMIGRANTS,
Bryanna Bevens is a bimbo who probably spread her legs for several republican congressman
Jupiter
There are two issues with immigration which are why i would ALMOST but not totally stop it.
One is that our current population is too high. When I was born (the JFK/MM era) we were at 180 million people. From that to 300+ million in 45 years is too much too fast. 200 million is probably our optimap population anyway.
Second is we should stay 80-90% white simply because we need to stay White ruled. Other nationalities or races that want significant power should go elsewhere. Whites do not do well under non-white rule.
Expelling all the blacks is not feasible. White people made the tactical error of slavery, and they are here to stay, but we should be honest and tell them their stay here is contingent on their not infringing on white sensibilities too badly. I would have no problem with allowing them to have an area of their own, which they could run, and their fortune depending on the rule they themselves put in. No aid, no welfare, no anything. If that's what you want, but you live with your decision. Constitutional restraint of white bleeding heart liberalism would have to accompany such a move.
You make can intellectually shallow comments about free markets and creative destruction all you want.The eyes just glaze over empty comments like that
In fact, the verdict is in. There is a full blown revolt agianst the the H-1 Visa program.
Also, asians legal immigrants do in fact drive up the market value of homes and poperty taxes. Toss in a reassessment and their prescence in a town or region can be very lethal to the well being of Native Born White Americans.
Neo -classical economists are not the final word. Ordinary White Americans are the final word.
And if you made the comment about creative destruction and the final word Peter, you are a phony immigration reformer.
NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS are not made better off being racially replaced street by street,block by block,town by town and state by state by predatory legal asian immigrants and their spoiled obnoxious "american" born gene-line in OUR AMERICA. Their intetntions towards us are not benign.
I don't need the approval of the legal immigrant Canadian kike economist DAVID CARD as to whether or not to oppose legal immigration.
I actually had a conversation with Card once about his "deep" econometric reserach. Card is a most definitely a intellectual lightweight. So is the legal immigrant from Cuba the arrogant George Borjas.
The congress deferred to this Cuban "intellectual's " expertise on American Labor markets. A massive increase in legal imigration followed. The should have paid attention to the real life experiences of real Americans not some spic Cuban legal immigrant.
I despise Borjas.
Peter Brimelow is apparently very much enamoured of this legal immigrants "enormous intellect".
I would deport every fucking Cuban in miami, nj and the kennedy school of goverment back to cuba.
Young NATIVE BORN WHITE MALES ARE IN DIRECT COMPETITION WITH YOUNG LEGAL IMMIGRANT ASIASN MALES FOR AFFORABLE HOUSING BREEDING SPACE.WE all know whi is losing. Legal immigration policy is genocidal in consequence towrds NATIVE WHITE MALES
Jupiter
"I think the jury is still out on relatively lower scale asian immigration."
Low scale? Hundreds of thousands of asains coming here every year is low scale?
Why don't you just give your home away to a china man while you are at it? I don't see China allowing large scale immigration to its nation. No, the agreement seems to be one way only, but suckers like you praise it as if it were the grace of God. Pathetic.
"Second is we should stay 80-90% white simply because we need to stay White ruled."
How is it going to stay 80-90% white when the USA is already less than 70% white?
Idiots like you are amazing. You are like Clinton when he talked about affirmative action by saying "let's mend it, not end it."
Well, I for one say end immigration. There is no way that we could ever get a Whites Only policy with respect to immigration (because of pussies like you), so lets do no more harm. There is no reason to turn the USA into a U.N. "rainbow nation".
1488 I'm going to give you a quick english lesson.
"relatively lower scale" is not the same as "low scale".
"the jury is still out" is not the same as "praise it as if it were the grace of God"
You may now be qualified to read my posts.
"You may now be qualified to read my posts."
More half measures from you. More of this "mend it, not end it" bull shit.
Who will determine the "correct" number to let in, you? Yeah, right.
Go back to sitting on your high horse.
If we loose California to the mexicans, the muslims, the hindus and the chinese, the infrastructure that NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS BUILT AND PAID for will be controlled by the mexicans,chinese,and hindus. This will be bad enough.
Even worse:The Chinese and Indian govements will start taking a deep interest in California's internal affairs. A very lethal military infrastructure will fall ino China and India's hands...without firing a shot.
The chinese won't have to spy on us anymore. It will fall right in the chink bastards hands.
After NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS have completely fleed California, to protect their racial interests, they will no doubt elect pro-white nationalists politicians . Immigration laws will be enforced. Multiculturalism and diversity propagandists will be hung for treason.What happens when California's non -white population starts migrating to the White areas?
The Republican party, democratic party and wierdo left parites such as the greens will not be viable in the White areas.
Hard-line Pro-white politicians in the White areas of the "nation" will not tolerate incursions from the non-white areas.
You are kiding yourself if you think the white and nonwhite areas of the "nation" won't be engaged in violent conflict over scarce resources.
The mexicans,muslims,hindus and chinese will be shitting in and polluting rivers and ecosystens that extend ino the White areas of the "nation"
Will the White areas of the "nation" tolerate
the mexican chinese and Indian goverments meddling in non-white California.
I think the situation is far worse than many Whites are willing to admit.
Perhaps Peter Brimelow and Steve Sailer find it to scary to think about the obvious trajectory we are on.
It doesn' mean that we shouldn't.
I have yet to hear a serious argument as to how violent racial conflict can be avoided.
It is not possible to buy our way out of this one. Resources are too scarce.
Seccession, which I would violently oppose, would not stave off a race war for the reasons that I have mentioned above.
I mean do really think for a second that if we conceeded california to the mexicns,chinese muslims and hindus, that they would live within their means? They are all here to expand. They will completely wipe out Californias endangered and edemic plant and animal species.
Oh, and how about the water that California now steals from the whiter Western States.
This is the kind od stuff Sailer and Brimelow should be writing about.
There will be no soft landing. Seccession means conceeding American territory to China,Mexico and India.
I hate Seccessionists. They are either senile confederates or neoconfederates who conspire whith leftists traitors such as Kirkpatrick Sale. Sale is very open about the fact that he wants to hnd over California and other westrn states to to Mexico. Seccessionist should not be trusted. They should be shot for treason. They are collaborating with our enmemies.
I beleive that when the illusion is popped, ordinary White Amricans, the ones who do nothing at the present time , do nothung as far as immigration refrom goes, will find the loss of large chnks of US territory too disorientating. These folks may offer the mopst violent resistance to take over of large tracts of US territory to MExico,China and India.
Beware the sleeping giant hindu and chinese thief.
warm regards
Jupiter
warm regards
Jupiter
Jupiter
Since you have been the subject of so many dismissive comments from others for your style of expression, I just wanted to say that I can see the intelligent man you are behind all of that and I can sense what you've been through. You are right that personal history puts flesh on the dull economic theorising that tends to drive modern political decision making. There has to be a place to tell such stories, and the web is the best place to do it. Certainly the mainstream media will never allow it.
I don't necessarily hate what you hate, or revere what you revere, but I don't doubt your sincerity or that you speak for many.
And you're right: the debate about immigration needs to be more than simply a debate about illegal immigration.
What a lot people on this thread don't realize is that legal immigration can be just as detrimental as illegal immigration.
Right now the USA admits one million legal residents a year. Even if illegal immigration were somehow stopped, the powers that be can always raise the ceiling cap on the number of legal immigrants that can come here.
I don't know about you, but I don't want to live in a "rainbow nation" where every ethnic group is fighting over who gets to rule whom.
The teason lobby/immigration enthusiasts should not underestimate the scale of rage and anger that is building up in NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICA. Although they probably will.
Appparently, LEGAL IMMIGRATN SPIC CUBAN ECONoMIST AND AROUND BLOWHARD GEORGE BORJAS undersestimated this growing rage and anger twelve years ago when he testified before congress that his econometric equations showed that increasing non-white immigration is a great bennefit to OUR AMERICA.
It seems that the CUBAN SPIC LEGAL IMMIGRANT George Borjas's econometric equations were incapable of picking up the anger rage that was growing in response to the passage of the 1965 immigration reform act.
I will not be a doormat for the half-breed coon Barack Obama, his coon loving skanky mother,the testoterone flushed-dyke Hillary Clinton,legal immigrant chinese,legal immigrant koreans,legal immigrant hindus,legal immigrant iranians-at last count,one million in California and growing- and muslims in general,hispanics and THE SPIC CUBANS IN MIAMI( A CUBAN SPIC FORIEGN CITY ON AMERICAN SOIL!!!!!!).
When there are no places for Whites to flee to, there will be a race war in AMERICA. I'm not looking forward to this at all, however, I will not be a doormat for the aforementioned invaders.
I have yet to hear a compelling argument as to why this won't happen.
warm regards
Jupiter
"Creative destruction," hm?
Jews like "creative destruction." Many often praise it.
It's obvious that "creative destruction" is merely a euphemistic way of saying "clever destruction."
(Similarly, in literature "deconstruction" is a euphemism for destroying the - gentile - writers of the past.)
In politics, this DESTRUCTION is also known as nation-wrecking. Which is exactly what Jews are up to, as usual.
If America is racially balknized into different regions, Jews could be in very big trouble.
The White regions will no longer tolerate the nation wrecking mulitcultral/diverstiy propagandists.
If the nation wreckers are lucky, they will be kicked out of the NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN areas. If they are not so lucky, they will be hung.
However, even if the nation wreckers are kicked out of the NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN areas to the racially diverse areas of the "nation, they might still be unlucky.
The non-white areas of the "nation" will very likely will have learned from the mistakes of NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS and rather than have their new nations wrecked by the nation wreckers, the non-whites may hang or even worse..........the nation wreckers.
I do not believe the treason lobby and even many well known immigration reformers fully comprehend how serious the situation is.
There will be no soft landing.
warm regards
Jupiter
To those of you who are paying unquestioning reverence to "IQ", and are acting as if how one scores on an Intelligence Quotient test, fully encapsulates their complete cerebral powers, or even comes close, is ironically, showing your own stupidity. I happen to have an IQ of 144 on the Stanford/Banai, so it's far from advantageous to state what I am about to, but some of you are SO OBLIVIOUS to how limited and flawed "IQ" tests really are, that you need an education...
1.- An "IQ" test does not quantify, or even attempt to quantify, all aspects of cognitive function. Interestingly, one of the cognitive measurements lacking in IQ tests (even by the admission of their creators), is musical aptitude. Now, consider for a moment that many of these "stupid blacks with IQ's of 85", have an incredible knack for percussive and rythmic complexity...a cognitive advancement profoundly lacking in most rhythmless white people. The same "stupid thug rap" that many whites fear/criticize, involves rythmic linguistical precision on a strata that most of those same whites couldn't reproduce to save their own children. And it's not just rap...look at the ways it manifests itself in other facest and histories of black culture...African polyrythmic tribal melodies are a longstanding advent of black culture. Simply put, throughout musical history, the whites have dominated melodic prowess, and black have dominated percussive prowess, an the meeting of those two entities, produces most of the rock n roll currently in all of your cd collections. And predictably enough, white people of yesteryear (just as many of you on here today) snootily dimissed percussion as boorish throughout the classical music era, thus underminding the black contribution (and by estension the black intellect) UNTIL white people finally caught up and learned how to harness rhythm themselves, and ONLY THEN, did people like John Bonham, Stewart Copeland, etc...emerge as BRILLIANT ARTISTS...for doing something blacks mastered 1,00 years before....but then again, that's hard to measure on an IQ test, so i guess it doesn't count, right? (as i shake my head in disgust).
#2- IQ tests fail to measure an entire cognitive skill-set loosely analogous to #1 which- once again- black by and large seem superior to...and that is general visceral improvisation...consider this.
- comedians
- jazz musicians
- preachers
- many unscripted skills required
in athletic manuevers.
- social slickness (aka "coolness)
what do they all have in common other than they're primarily dominated by blacks? Well, it's the fact they all require the cognitive ability to FEEL THE PULSE OF THE INTERACTIONS IN REAL-TIME...to sense the overall vibe of the moment, and play off it at the speed of light, whereas a typical white Republican bookworm might run circles around others at
depthful analysis of the Gross Domestic Product, yet, will just as assuredly put the entire room to sleep in that analysis, awkwardly fumble towards failure in his ability to smoothly woo women, and generally, show a profound MENTAL DEFICIENY, at many of the cognitive skills that blacks tend to excel at. But once again...that's sort of hard to measure on an IQ test, which brings me to my 3rd point.
#3- An IQ test measures whatever skill-set the CREATORS OF THAT IQ TEST DEEM TO BE OF THE GREATEST WEIGHT TO HUMAN PERCEPTION...but the flaw in quantifying human intelligence that way, is WHO THE HELL GETS TO DECIDE WHAT THAT SKILL-SET IS? What if I was particularly good at math, but a miserable failure at affecting people ith my poetry? Well, rest assured, my IQ test would- if I got to make it up- would be a numbers crunching contest, and would conveniently undervalue artistic brevity. Conversely, if I could make you weep with my eloquence, but couldn't do long division, my IQ test would be an infinite variety of obscure verbal analogies, couple with particularly easy, or particularly absent numerical analysis. And the problem, is that the established IQ tests WE ALL TAKE, to quantitavely value ALL OF US, are bound by the more concrete elements of human cognition, and that is helpful as a white man, because it's the concrete categories whites excel in, and the enigmatic artistic, spontanoues, ad-lib realms, that are VERY HARD TO "MEASURE" (which blacks have us beat by entirely) that can't be included in IQ tests, and thus, are given NO VALUE AT ALL, despite them being cognitive attributes.
#4- Nature vs. nurture...let's say you completely dismiss my first 3 points (which if you're fairminded is awfully hard to do)...but let's say you did...there's STILL the issue that ayn of you are treating IQ as if it's simply innate...has nothing to do with early childhood education...has nothing to do with family emphasis...and all the other things which damn sure do make up one's IQ...let me illustrate this point...
Black child A, living in a violent loud urban housing complex in Philly, is 5 years old, and tommorow, he's taking his IQ test...and his mom doesn't even know...and his dad doesn't even exist...and the kid doesn't think this test tommorow is anymore important to focus on when he takes it than the spelling quiz he took the day before. And many of the verbal analogies on the test, are words he's never heard used in his home his entire life, let alone explained to him...and many of the rudimentary math skills required to EVEN NOTICE the patterns in the numerical portions, have been shottily explained in an overcrowded, underfunded inner city public school, with zero reenforcement at home. That child takes that test, ill equipped to handle the questions, and with general non-chalance, and gets an 85.
White child B, raised in middle class suburbia, is 5 years old, and tommorow he's taking the same IQ test...which his mom, AND dad, have known is coming up for quite some time, and have emphasized to little Billy for the last week nonstop, how vitally important this test is to his future...they've raised Billy in an environment where the words in those verbal analogies are used at home on a daily basis, and when Billy asks what they mean, mom and dad explain and nurture that curiosity. Mom and dad use flash cards to reenforce the basic math skills needed to even compute the numerical patters. And they make sure Billy is asleep the night before at 8pm sharp, and gets a nice, long goodnights sleep, to awake to that big breakfast, and that tall glass of orange juice, and to once again, be scared shitless about doing poorly on this test, so Billy goes to school that day, well rested, feeling the pressure to perform, and educationally prepared to have the tools neccesary to at least navigate the questions. And little Billy gets a 120 and makes mom and dad proud.
BUT, does Black child A, and White child B, really have any INNATE, SCIENTIFICALLY RACE-BASED DIFFERENCE, in their mental prowess at birth? I dare say more oftentimes than not, the answer is no. And this is proveable. A VERY intriguing study, would be to take 50 black kids, and 50 white kids, that were each raised in upper middle class nuclear-parent houses, subjected to similarly rated schools, parents with a similar educational profile, and THEN SEE how big the IQ gap is. And I WOULD BET YOU, THAT IQ GAP, is at VERY least, FAR smaller than the national white/black gap, if not entirely eliminated. Thus suggesting, that the crux of the white/black IQ differential, isn't a genetically based mental inferiority of blacks, but rather, a CLASS-BASED difference, symptomatic of environmental causation. And environmental discrepency- might I add- that would set into motion by the cultural annihilation of American slavery, which tore apart the values, families, and educational apparattus of the black American, and considering that apparatus wasn't completely restored in application until the 1960's or 1970's, I don't think it's surprising given the slow pace of cultural change, that the blacks of this country, only 30 or 40 years removed from a 300 year oppression, need a little more time to consolidate their culture back into something as civil and sophisticated as the whites who so ignorantly criticize them...and perhaps once they do, that IQ gap whites so proudly mention, will have shrunk to an immeasureability, much to their chagrin.
Simply put, I like smart people. I dislike stupid people. But i REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY dislike stupid people with the confidence of a smart person speaking with complete nuance-less ignorance regarding the subjects they speak of. Now that a large percentage of those who are guilty just got utterly dismantled like helpless schoolgirls by this post, you may resume with your profound ignorances unaware of your laughable defeat...it would be patently unnatural for you to do otherwise.
p.s.- Barack Obama is a pretty nice guy with a pretty smart brain trying to run for president. You may agree or disagree with his politics. That's fine. But if you're going to criticize the guy, criticize faults you find with his policies...not if some fat white Kansas soccer-mom is gonna vote for him because she wants to jump his bones. If a candidate is so solid, that you have to attack those that vote for him, rather than him directly? Well, that tells me that's a pretty strong candidate. And regarding Barack "acting white" because, well, I guess because he doesn't come out to boomboxes and break-pants to start speeches? Well, then what's really going on there? A black man "acting white" as many of you fools suggest? Or, perhaps a bunch of insecure white men finding their own supposedly superior brains being pressed by a black man more eloquent and forward-thinking than themselves, and needing a way to claim that man as their own, rather than concede he is- at least in part- what happens when a black person is raised in a loving, knowledge-nurturing environment? Yikes! Black people are as smart as white people if given a similar childhood environment...oops...sorry guys...i know that's not very convenient for your superiority complexes.
And that's EVEN IF you don't factor in the first 3 points I made.
LET ME GET ONE THING STRAIGHT. A CONVERSATION, I HAD WITH MY BLACK HUSBAND THE OTHER DAY. THERE IS
A LIE BEING PERPERTUATED IN AMERICA
TODAY. IF YOU TALK IGNORANT THEN YOUR BEING BLACK. IF YOU SPEAK WITH
SLANG AND WEAR BAGGY CLOTHES, THEN YOUR BEING BLACK. IF YOU DONT ARTICULATE AND PRONOUNCIATE, YOUR BEING BLACK. BUT IF YOU MAKE GOOD, MONEY AND WORK HAVE SPEAK WITH A LITTLE COMMON SENSE AND IN A CLEAR,
WELL THOUGHT OUT SPEECH, YOUR BEING
WHITE. NO LETS GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT. YOU SPEAK WITH SLANG AND IN GHETTO TONES YOUR BEING IGNORANT
POINT BLANK. AND IGNORANCE AND BLACK HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH
OTHER. AND ARTICULATING ONESELF AND WORKING HARD, LIVING RIGHT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING WHITE.
AS FOR MORE BARACK AND LESS BLACK.
LET ME TELL YOU ALL SOMETHING. HE IS BLACK. ALL BLACK BECAUSE HE IS
INTELLIGENT, ATTRACTIVE AND SPEAKS
WELL... AND IF HE WINS THE ELECTION
HE OPENS IT UP FOR OTHER RACES TO COME IN AND WOMEN AND ALL OF US.
SO DONT YOU EVER PERPETUATE A LIE THAT LESS BLACK AND ACCEPT THAT BLACK IS IGNORANCE, AND THAT BLACK MEN ARE FASCINATED WITH WHITE WOMEN
BECAUSE A REAL MAN DOESN'T CARE
WHAT RACE SHE IS, OR NOT JUST HOW SHE CAN BEST SUIT HIS PARTICULAR NEEDS AS A MAN. ANY RACE OF WOMAN CAN DO THAT. AND BE WHATEVER TYPE HE DESIRES. AS A SO CALLED MULEATTO WOMAN, I AM PROUD TO BE BOTH BLACK AND WHITE AND SPEAKING AS ONE, I PERSONALLY FEEL WE DESIRE
TO BE NEITHER BLACK NOR WHITE BUT
IN BETWEEN JUST BI-RACIAL. A STRONGER RACE OF PEOPLE. NEITHER ONE NOR THE OTHER JUST A STRONG MIX OF BOTH. SEE SOME BLACK FEMALES
ARE THREATENED BY WHITE WOMEN AND SOME WHITE WOMEN ARE INTIMIDATED BY BLACK WOMEN BUT A BI-RACIAL WOMAN IS NEITHER, SHE NEITHER FEARS
NOR IS THREATENED BY EITHER RACE OR IN BETWEEN, SHE HAS THE BEST OF BOTH AND ALL WORLDS AND ANY IN BETWEEN. I DO IDENTIFY MYSELF AS A
BI-RACIAL BLACK WOMAN. AND COULD NEVER BE IN FEAR OF EITHER RACE, AND EMPLOY BOTH BLACK MEN AND WHITE WOMEN TO GET TOGETHER, AS WELL AS WHITE MEN AND BLACK WOMEN TO AS WELL. YOU SEE THE MORE RACES
INTERMINGLE AND MIX THEN THE MORE
BI-RACIAL PEOPLE ARE MADE. THE MORE
BI-RACIAL PEOPLE ARE BORN THE BETTER THE WORLD WILL BE. WE ARE SIMPLY BETTER. NOT ONE OR THE OTHER
JUST A PERFECT MIX. A BETTER RACE.
YOU SEE WHEN I FIRST GOT WITH MY BLACK HUSBAND I THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD NEVER MAKE IT. HE ACTUALLY
MADE COMMENTS TO ME THAT WHITE WOMEN WERE BETTER AND HE ACTUALLY
PERPETUATED A LIE THAT WHITE WAS
GOOD AND BLACK WAS BAD AND EVIL.
HE ACTUALLY GOT WITH ME BECAUSE I
WAS MIXED/ BI-RACIAL. THE SO CALLED
BEST OF BOTH, AND MADE IT CLEAR EXACTLY HOW MUCH HE HATED BLACK WOMEN, I THOUGHT HE WAS MENTALLY ILL, AND THROUGH TIME, THROUGH KNOWLEGDE, EXAMPLE AND PURE LOGIC
HOPEFULLLY I HAVE COME TO DISSPELL
ANY LIES THAT SOCIETY HAS COME TO
ALLOW HIM TO BELIEVE. WE ACTUALLY SAT DOWN AND MATURELY DISCUSSED WHAT WAS THIS SO CALLED FASCINATION
AND HE TOLD ME HIS THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER AS WELL AS TAUGHT ME ALOT IN THE PROCESS. HE SAID THEY ARE MORE OPEN, A LITTLE SOFTER NOT AS ABRASIVE, THEY GIVE MORE OF THEIR MONEY AND DO THINGS MORE FREAKY THAT MOST BLACK WOMEN AREN'T OPEN TO DOING. HE CLAIMED THEY DIDN'T
ARGUE AS MUCH, AND THEY WERE MORE
GIVING AND CATERED MORE TO THE BLACK MAN. I TOLD HIM THAT THE DOOR
WAS OPEN AND IF HE FELT IT WASN'T RIGHT HERE WHICH ALL THOSE THINGS HE DESCRIBED I FAR SURPASSED. BUT
IF FELT THAT SOLELY BASED ON A RACE
THAT WOULD MAKE HIM HAPPY. THEN HE
SHOULD DEFINITELY PURSUE THOSE AVENUES, AND HE HAD ONLY HIS LIFE TO LIVE AND PURSUIT OF HIS OWN
HAPPINESS AS WELL AS MINE.
THE COLOR BLACK BEING EVIL AND OF DEATH. PEOPLE INSIDE YOUR MOTHERS
WOMB, AT LIFE BEGINNING IS THE COLOR BLACK. NOT THAT BLACK IS
BETTER, ITS JUST A COLOR.
NOW,I FEEL WERE DOING GOOD AND OUR LOVE AND STRONG AND PURE, WE ARE BOTH FAITHFUL AND IN LOVE AND GETTING ALONG AND HAVING THE TIME OF OUR LIVES AND OUR HOUSEHOLD IS ONE OF LOVE, TRUST, HONESTY AND COMMUNICATION. WE BOTH WORK HARD, AT MAKING EACHOTHERS LIVES THE BEST
IT CAN BE AND THAT MY LISTENERS IS
EXACT DEFINITION OF KEEPING IT BLACK. LIKE BARACK AND HIS QUEEN.
PEOPLE GET IT TOGETHER. ITS BIGGER
THEN ME, ITS BIGGER THEN YOU.
THEN ALL OF US PUT TOGETHER AND
IT WONT BE FIGURED OUT IN OUR GENERATION. TRUTH PEOPLE--IT REALLY WILL SET YOU FREE. LIE TO ME. LIE TO THE WORLD. BUT PLEASE,
DONT LIE TO YOURSELF. NOW THATS JUST A SHAME....
suggestion for Anonymous with the ALL CAPS. Please take your finger off the caps key. A lot of people make it a point not to read anything in all caps, and that can be a shame as some of what I could stand to read was worthwhile and a hopeful sort of perspective.
Now, the gentleman who wrote the long comment about IQ and black contributions.
I don't think most people would totally disagree with you--I hope and pray that some day there will be no difference the behavior and achievements of the races in this country. But a lot of the data is in man. It's not speculation or guesswork. Even with all the middle class accoutrements, blacks still do less well on SATs and IQ tests than whites who come from families making less than 20,000.00 p.a. geesh--that's lower than working class, and they beat upper middle class blacks.
IQ is, sadly perhaps, the strongest single predictor of how the individual will get on in life. Mine is very high (not so high as yours) and I am not rich. But I would not give up my brains for all the percussive talent in the world.
I HATE OBAMA WITH ALL MY HEART he truly is trying to RUIN america. He sucks. If he wins I'm moving to Germany or Italy...that's how much I HATE the INCOMPITENT Obama!!!
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