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June 19, 2011

Asian hockey stick guy

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Anonymous said...: Credit where credit is due, the top photoshop was first posted by a member called "United Kingdong" on Udolpho's forum.

http://www.mypostingcareer.com/forums/index.php?/topic/2473-the-face-of-asian-nerd-rage/page__p__43372#entry43372; 6/19/11, 3:30 AM
VG said...: The second one is worth making a wallpaper; 6/19/11, 4:25 AM
rightsaidfred said...: So he was the guy.; 6/19/11, 4:25 AM
Anonymous said...: OT:

NYT review of Central Park rapist book - even more awful than you might expect.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/19/books/review/book-review-the-central-park-five-by-sarah-burns.html?src=recg&gwh=BA82FA471E260539DC539A8FFF8C829D; 6/19/11, 5:32 AM
Anonymous said...: Meh.; 6/19/11, 7:41 AM
Shawn said...: Because of his actions and notoriety this guy is going to get laid a lot this year.; 6/19/11, 8:00 AM
Anonymous said...: A bit OT, but does anyone else but me remember seeing a film clip of that famous execution?

As I remember it, at least 20 years ago (maybe 30), well before the Internet, I saw a documentary or something about Vietnam on TV, and it included a brief B&W clip, described as "rare footage" or something like that, where that one guy puts his pistol to the other guy's head and pulls the trigger, and the other guy staggers around for a moment and then falls.

I remember watching closely, and noticing surprising details: in particular that the man managed to stay upright longer than I would have expected after being shot (at least a second, maybe more); and that blood spurted out of his head in a discrete stream, like from a little garden hose, noticeably losing pressure before the man finally dropped out of the picture frame.

This is such a detailed and specific memory that I can't believe I'm imagining it. I don't confuse dreams with reality, and I don't have dreams like that in any case. And yet I have never seen or heard of this film clip since.

So has anyone else seen the clip? You would think it would be well known, and plastered all over YouTube, but I made a concerted effort to find it a little while back, or at least a reference to it, and came up with nothing. Could something like that exist and be so totally forgotten, in this day and age?; 6/19/11, 8:00 AM
Iosue Andreas Sartorius said...: "Water Cannon Man" tops the list.; 6/19/11, 8:54 AM
Pyongyang Kim said...: Can't believe nobody made the connection between hockey stick hero and the hockey stick global warming hoax yet.; 6/19/11, 10:08 AM
Anonymous said...: It's funny that an Asian guy can't be taken seriously, not even if he's screaming in front of a broken window in the middle of a riot.

Angry Asian Man syndrome seems to be a source of humor.

It would have been more awesome if he was wearing a Virginia Tech shirt.; 6/19/11, 11:18 AM
Anonymous said...: I'll bet he's Yanshen.

What's his real name btw?; 6/19/11, 1:10 PM
Anonymous said...: http://blog.angryasianman.com/2011/06/vancouver-knows-how-to-riot.html

His name is Jason Li.
Maybe he searching for the Golden Fleece.

Grasshopper, that no way to find wisdom.; 6/19/11, 1:13 PM
Anonymous said...: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/06/the-vancouver-riot-photo-you-dont-want-to-miss.html

There are times when love is even dumber than violence. Okay, this couple didn't damage stuff but WHAT IN THE NAME ARE THEY DOING MAKING OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET? Someone should have set them on fire for narcissistic stupidity or just plain out-of-control horniness. Get a hotel room, morons.; 6/19/11, 1:15 PM
Anonymous said...: Picture perfect image of Jason Bruce Li.

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/riot5.jpg

Enter the Turtle.; 6/19/11, 1:17 PM
Anonymous said...: http://www.vancouverriots.com/jason-li-vancouver-hockey-riots

funny comment:

HAHAHA!!!! THIS GUY IS A FUCKING JOKE! he went to Mc.Roberts Secondary School. he got arrested ON THE LAST FUCKING DAY OF SCHOOL!!! XD he WAS the leader of the fadets (AKA cadets) in the air squadren or some shit. he could have easily got into flight school. he also wanted to go to UBC… NOT GONNA HAPPEN ASSHOLE! btw, to all you A7X fans, he said “the rev is a dead fag”. it got me pretty pissed off too… so go ahead. go give him a piece of your mind to him. heres his FB page link: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=710181751 oh, and he also STOLE his 4-6 year old sister’s bear on the end of his stick (which it fell off and is in the bank in the picture). have a good life… dipweed; 6/19/11, 1:18 PM
Anonymous said...: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=710181751

Friend Jason on facebook.; 6/19/11, 1:20 PM
Anonymous said...: Jason is a moron, but weren't they all guilty? There were other kids who joined in the window-smashing, but more importantly, many other guys were cheering and egging on the vandals. In some ways, I think the guys who stood on the sidelines and cheered on the vandals were even worse. They were too cowardly or lazy to do it themselves but more than willing to encourage other kids to smash and burn the city. It's like dogfighters screaming and shouting at their dogs to fight. Though dogs do the actual fighting, the hollering onlookers are no better.

If some bully is beating up a kid and a whole bunch of others kids egg on the bully, cheering and hooting with joy at the violence, they are guilty too. Maybe not legally but morally.

Btw, why has so much attention been focused on Jason Li when he was only one of many vandals? Prolly because it's a man-bites-dog story. We usually don't associate nerdy Asians with behavior such as this, so this is both eye-catching and funny. But a black rioter or white rioter smashing stuff is all too common. Also, using a black guy as a posterchild for vandalism would be 'racist' according to Canadian public opinion.; 6/19/11, 1:33 PM
JeremiahJohnbalaya said...: [Kylie]When I said that The Prestige was the best movie I'd seen in recent years that actually says something, I meant of the big "name" releases.

I've seen a couple recent films by and with lesser known people that also had something to say and said it well.

Dogtooth
The White Ribbon

I was trying to remember how these got in my Netflix queue. What exactly did you think Dogtooth had to say? That there are crazy people in the world? One thing I know ... at least you didn't spoil the ending.

I can't wait to watch The White Ribbon; 6/19/11, 2:00 PM
Anonymous said...: It's too bad someone didn't make a close-up video of Jason Li smashing stuff.
There could have been lots of fun remixes like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63oFS09VJsU; 6/19/11, 2:17 PM
Anonymous said...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ1m2ja8r74; 6/19/11, 2:18 PM
Anonymous said...: meshugi; 6/19/11, 2:28 PM
Kylie said...: "What exactly did you think Dogtooth had to say? That there are crazy people in the world? One thing I know ... at least you didn't spoil the ending.

I can't wait to watch The White Ribbon"

It's excellent. I like how Haneke poses situations and leaves their interpretations, even their resolutions, up to the viewer.

That's also what the director of Dogtooth does. He's not just talking about crazy people, though, but about how given a reality they find unpalatable or even unbearable, people will go to great lengths to construct an alternate reality. Also, something about the decline of the nuclear family. And the threat of foreign elements, domestic cats, etc.

I don't think I've ever seen a funnier movie.; 6/19/11, 2:57 PM
Anonymous said...: Well, at least with all these photo evidence, these guys won't be able to pretend that they're lesbians or 'gay girls'. Maybe they'll dress up as women next time around though.; 6/19/11, 2:57 PM
Anonymous said...: This is one way to deal with excess young male energy.; 6/19/11, 3:00 PM
Anonymous said...: A bit OT, but does anyone else but me remember seeing a film clip of that famous execution?

I saw that clip c. 1987 in high school. I think it was when one of my history teachers did an afterschool screening of The Killing Fields, and for some reason he showed us some other documentary footage or whatever that had that in it. In hindsight, pretty heavy stuff for high school kids in pre-internet days - wonder if he knew it was in there.

I've mentioned it a couple of times over the years, but no one has ever said they've seen it. You would think that it would be well known given the level of fame of the picture.

You have a good memory, I pretty much only remember the spurting blood, don't remember the guy standing for a second. For whatever reason, the movie that day had a bigger impact on me.; 6/19/11, 3:20 PM
TH said...: Look at this video (which features the Asian guy)

There are like ten photographers for every rioter.; 6/19/11, 3:38 PM
Anonymous said...: Anon 8am, what I remember hearing about that famous picture was that the shooter was a colonel in the South Vietnamese army and the guy getting shot was Viet Cong, who had murdered some of the colonel's relatives. Hatfield and McCoy pay back. I also remember that the colonel was brought to the states, and later ran a 7-11 in California. It's all plausible and possible, but I don't know whether any of it is true.; 6/19/11, 4:08 PM
Anonymous said...: What's really weird about so many of these acts is the spirit of brotherliness.
For example, three morons try to overturn a car but lack the sufficient manpower, and so others join in to help in the spirit of brotherly camaraderie. Even in vile acts, there's a feeling of shared humanity.

Now think... the very thugs who did this might have acted entirely differently in another situation. Suppose a month earlier or later, a car had an accident, caught on fire, and people were trapped inside. One bystander might run to rescue people in the car, and others, in the spirit of noble camaraderie, might to the same, even at the risk of their lives.

So, there is brotherliness in both heroism and villainy.
And both heroism and thuggery happen in moments when emotions override rationality.; 6/19/11, 4:08 PM
Anonymous said...: Echoing the previous anonymii, I have also seen the clip of the VC's public execution.

I seem to recall that it was in the WGBH documentary Vietnam:A Television History, which originally aired back in '83 or so. But that's just a guess.; 6/19/11, 4:18 PM
Anonymous said...: Poster no. 7, Anonymous:

Video of execution during Tet Offensive, 1968

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=026eceb0f9; 6/19/11, 4:29 PM
Anonymous said...: If Asian nerd had some muscles on him the ridicule wouldn't be so harsh. They are making fun of him because the only thing he can beat up with a hockey stick is inanimate glass, and he's proud of it.; 6/19/11, 4:40 PM
Anonymous said...: Why do these guys act so wild and stupid in FRONT OF cameras? Maybe it's the culture of shamelessness, so evident in modern grind-groin dancing and porn.
When porn has gone mainstream, so has street violence. The Asian kid with the hockey stick is saying, LOOK, ME GOT BIG LONG STICK, ME ASIAN JOHN HOLMES!!
This is street porn.; 6/19/11, 4:42 PM
Anonymous said...: I hated Dogtooth. What a tedious, pointless, unpleasant film.; 6/19/11, 4:44 PM
hbd chick said...: @anonymous - "A bit OT, but does anyone else but me remember seeing a film clip of that famous execution?"

here it is. i think. i didn't watch it. (not gonna, either. too gruesome for me.)

you have to sign to view it.; 6/19/11, 4:46 PM
razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan said...: Surprised you guys don't remember "Hearts and Minds" (which reprised the NBC footage of those vibrant chaps in the Eddie Adams photo). It did win an Oscar, after all...

Generalizing from the case of the mighty Vancouver warlord here, strikes me as iffy. The reason he's silly is that he looks silly, not primarily because he's a Sino-Canadian teen. But of course there've been some East Asians who came off extremely bonkers, like the fellow who laid siege to The Discovery Channel last year.; 6/19/11, 4:58 PM
General Nguyen Ngoc Loan said...: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2390091327094425662#; 6/19/11, 5:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Anon 8am, what I remember hearing about that famous picture was that the shooter was a colonel in the South Vietnamese army and the guy getting shot was Viet Cong, who had murdered some of the colonel's relatives. Hatfield and McCoy pay back. I also remember that the colonel was brought to the states, and later ran a 7-11 in California. It's all plausible and possible, but I don't know whether any of it is true.

A general not a colonel, you've pretty much nailed it though.

Read more here.

From what I remember reading the photographer later regretted the pic, he thought the general was in the right. The prisoner was taunting him about killing a friend of the general. And it was basically "Yeah, you think thats funny? Try laughing this off!"; 6/19/11, 5:07 PM
Anonymous said...: From I AM SPARTACUS to...

I AM JERRY SPRINGER!!; 6/19/11, 5:08 PM
Anonymous said...: I wonder if sound-culture has something to do with this.
In many cases, what gets young people fired up is the SOUND. People start going WOOOOOOAAAAAH, YEEEAAAAAHHHH, AAHHHHHHH, WOOOOOOOO, etc. Maybe there's a reason deaf people don't riot.
It's like dogs and wolves get all riled up largely through barkings and howlings. I wonder if some cultures have more pro-violent sound expressions.; 6/19/11, 5:12 PM
Bill said...: Anonymous said...
A bit OT, but does anyone else but me remember seeing a film clip of that famous execution?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2390091327094425662#; 6/19/11, 5:19 PM
dcite said...: "Echoing the previous anonymii, I have also seen the clip of the VC's public execution.

I seem to recall that it was in the WGBH documentary Vietnam:A Television History, which originally aired back in '83 or so. But that's just a guess."

I'm surprised people are trying to recall seeing the picture of the Viet Cong being summarily executed. For anyone who was alive during the 70s, it was all over the place, and I remember seeing it some LIFE magazine, year-end photo display or something rather mundane like that. It was not confined to obscure places. While I was sort of sickened and shocked, at the same time when I thought about some of the monsters they cart off to prison who will live for years on the dime of the very society they would murder if given the chance, I thought the actors in the terrible picture were behaving with efficient and relieving justice. That's if the guy being killed was actually guilt, which one can be pretty sure he was, given the time and place.; 6/19/11, 6:03 PM
Munch1 said...: "From what I remember reading the photographer later regretted the pic, he thought the general was in the right. The prisoner was taunting him about killing a friend of the general. And it was basically "Yeah, you think thats funny? Try laughing this off!"

I think you need a beter reason to execute someone whose hands are tied behind their back. I'm not saying in war it is never justified to execute someone, just that the anger of a taunted official is not one of the justifications. OT; 6/19/11, 7:34 PM
Anonymous said...: Munch1 said...

"From what I remember reading the photographer later regretted the pic, he thought the general was in the right. The prisoner was taunting him about killing a friend of the general. And it was basically "Yeah, you think thats funny? Try laughing this off!"

I think you need a beter reason to execute someone whose hands are tied behind their back. I'm not saying in war it is never justified to execute someone, just that the anger of a taunted official is not one of the justifications. OT

Come back and tell us that after someone taunts you with the fact that he has killed members of your family.; 6/19/11, 8:04 PM
Canadian Observer said...: We have watched hours of footage of east Asians, south Asians and whites violently rioting together and in harmony with one another. Not one example that I know of showing interethnic rioting on the streets of Vancouver. They were working together.

It is probably the starkest, clearest and most tangible example of multiracial harmony in Canadian history.

I wonder how the cultural media elites of Canada are going to portray all this. Can we really demonize that Chinese kid brandishing the hockey stick? If anything, he is a unifying symbol. An Asian man, wearing a Canucks jersey and holding the stick of the national Canadian past time. White people cheering him on. The diversicrats are probably perplexed about they're supposed to be feeling about this.; 6/19/11, 8:28 PM
Anonymous said...: RE: Viet Nam head shooting: .38 Special snubby...Not a bad jammy to stick in your pocket during the troublesome times...Just sayin'; 6/19/11, 8:30 PM
Anonymous said...: Reply to anon at 4:08 PM:

Its not "brotherliness" at all. Its just the desire and pressure of conformity. Have you never heard of the Asch conformity experiment?; 6/19/11, 9:03 PM
Anonymous said...: "The second one is worth making a wallpaper"

The hockey stick in that one should have a flame thrower attachment.; 6/19/11, 9:19 PM
Anonymous said...: "It's funny that an Asian guy can't be taken seriously, not even if he's screaming in front of a broken window in the middle of a riot."

It's funny that a [very short, skinny, nerdy looking] Asian guy [with glasses] can't be taken seriously, [precisely because] he's screaming in front of a broken window in the middle of a riot.; 6/19/11, 9:25 PM
Anonymous said...: Pretty tasteless stuff, and not very funny.; 6/19/11, 10:46 PM
Kylie said...: "Pretty tasteless stuff, and not very funny."

Agreed. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who feels that way about rioting.; 6/19/11, 10:52 PM
Anonymous said...: "I think you need a beter reason to execute someone whose hands are tied behind their back."

?

Untie their hands and...what changes, exactly?

You don't give criminals a fighting chance. This isn't trial by combat.

What a weird morality...; 6/19/11, 11:07 PM
Steve Sailer said...: The Communist soldier who was executed had violated the Geneva Conventions by infiltrating into Saigon and engaging in combat while dressed as a civilian. That's exactly what the Geneva Conventions don't protect.; 6/20/11, 12:11 AM
Anonymous said...: "The Communist soldier who was executed had violated the Geneva Conventions by infiltrating into Saigon and engaging in combat while dressed as a civilian. That's exactly what the Geneva Conventions don't protect."

Funny. That's what the Germans said. And they were evil. And now you are too, Steve.; 6/20/11, 3:37 AM
Anonymous said...: Bill, thanks for the link to the film clip!

It's interesting what I remembered right and what I got wrong. I was right about the way the blood spurted like a little fountain, lasting a long time while gradually losing force. That was not something I expected. But I was wrong about how long the VC stayed up -- he went right to the ground. I think my memory of the film clip was influenced by the ubiquitous photo, and I forgot that I had ever seen the VC on the ground, so when I reconstructed the memory I needed to have him staggering around upright for a while so there would be time for the fountain of blood I remembered.

It's funny how memory works. I'm glad I've never had to pick someone out of a lineup!; 6/20/11, 4:15 AM
Anonymous said...: Anon @ 9:03 :

Have you ever heard the term "tongue in cheek"?; 6/20/11, 4:19 AM
the other Jason Lee said...: It's funny that a [very short, skinny, nerdy looking] Asian guy [with glasses] can't be taken seriously, [precisely because] he's screaming in front of a broken window in the middle of a riot.

Yes. Thank you. Obviously if the kid was a Vietnamese Buddhist Monk setting himself on fire or a Japanese Samurai impaling himself with a sword, we would take him seriously. But who could take seriously "a [very short, skinny, nerdy looking] Asian guy [with glasses] . . . screaming in front of a broken window in the middle of a riot" wielding a HOCKEY STICK!?; 6/20/11, 6:49 AM
Anonymous said...: >I'm surprised people are trying to recall seeing the picture of the Viet Cong being summarily executed.<

They're talking about the video clip, not the still photograph.; 6/20/11, 7:41 AM
Anonymous said...: It's funny that an Asian guy can't be taken seriously

It's not his race, not directly. It's the fact that he's 4 feet tall and weighs 8 pounds.

-Osvaldo M.; 6/20/11, 9:37 AM
Jack Q said...: For crying out loud...I find it hard to believe Steve Sailer didn't know about the the first film appearance of the summary execution by the police official of the VC infiltrator:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearts_and_Minds_(film)

I saw the first run of this Swedish anti-war propaganda film in Washington, D.C. back in 1974...It really caused a collective gasp in the audience since everyone assumed that the execution scene was solely derived from a b&w still photo.; 6/20/11, 9:59 AM
Anonymous said...: I won a Pulitzer Prize in 1969 for a photograph of one man shooting another … The general killed the Viet Cong; I killed the general with my camera. Still photographs are the most powerful weapon in the world. People believe them, but photographs do lie, even without manipulation. They are only half-truths. What the photograph didn't say was, "What would you do if you were the general at that time and place on that hot day, and you caught the so-called bad guy after he blew away one, two or three American soldiers?" General Loan was what you would call a real warrior, admired by his troops. I'm not saying what he did was right, but you have to put yourself in his position.

…This picture really messed up his life. He never blamed me. He told me if I hadn't taken the picture, someone else would have, but I've felt bad for him and his family for a long time. I had kept in contact with him; the last time we spoke was about six months ago, when he was very ill.

I sent flowers when I heard that he had died and wrote, "I'm sorry. There are tears in my eyes."

--Eddie Adams; 6/20/11, 3:21 PM
Anonymous said...: >It's not his race, not directly. It's the fact that he's 4 feet tall and weighs 8 pounds.<

And look at his stance. The way his legs are bent.; 6/20/11, 6:12 PM
Mr. Anon said...: I certainly hope the term "Asian Hockey Stick Guy" becomes a persistant meme in our culture. It would be great in one of those Budweiser radio ads: "This Bud's for You ........ Asian Hockey Stick Guy!.; 6/20/11, 8:46 PM
RKU said...: Anonymous: Funny. That's what the Germans said. And they were evil. And now you are too, Steve.

Off course not! When the Germans did those sorts of things, they were "bad" because they were on the "Bad Side." But when all the people fighting the Germans did similar or much worse things, they were still "good" because they were on the "Good Side." That's one of the biggest historical advantages of being on the Good Side.

Remember, Steve's a pretty hard-core patriotard, so he understands those sorts of things. I think I remember him once saying that right after 9/11, he got so worked up in his fervent patriotardism, that he put up a big flag outside his house, and swore he wouldn't take it down until the people responsible for 9/11 were punished. But after a couple of years of winter rains, the flag sort of came down by itself or something. Which just proves that the rain is insufficiently patriotardic...; 6/20/11, 9:03 PM
JeremiahJohnbalaya said...: [me]I can't wait to watch The White Ribbon

[Kylie]It's excellent. I like how Haneke poses situations and leaves their interpretations, even their resolutions, up to the viewer.

Four threads down, this will probably get lost in the noise, but this isn't a DVD-of-the-month site and my original post above was a bit stalker-ish anyway, so I'll just put this here for posterity ...

"Leaves them up to the viewer"

Clearly, the difficult work was left to the imagination of the viewer. Do I get a cut of the box-office?; 6/21/11, 12:06 AM
Kylie said...: "Clearly, the difficult work was left to the imagination of the viewer."

Only if you take the view that it's more difficult to solve a conundrum than deliberately to create one. The IMDb message board for The White Ribbon has been full of unusually thoughtful and interesting posts and, two years after the film's initial release, is still active. For film-goers who don't need or want resolution, the movie is extremely rewarding and genuinely thought-provoking.

"Do I get a cut of the box-office?"

Sure, if you promise to spend it on a film appreciation course.

And no, I don't think your initial post was a bit stalkerish. Sorry you didn't enjoy the films.; 6/21/11, 10:28 AM
Anonymous said...: The water polo guy who was photographed setting the police car on fire gave a public apology where he cried:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPQOQsLUW60; 6/21/11, 1:26 PM
TokkinTrashWifTrolls said...: You Viet Cong apologists are pretty funny.

The VC assassin that General Nguyen Loan executed had just been identified as the killer of the family of one of Loan's deputies, including one of Gen. Loan's godchildren. The VC taunted the police by demanding to be treated as a POW, even though he wore a civilian uniform.

RKU is basically a Holocaust denier for morally equating the VC to a bunch of Jewish civilians (not murderers in civilian clothing).

So suck on that, anti-patriotards.; 6/21/11, 5:19 PM

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