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Do you no longer do columns for VDARE?
"Do you no longer do columns for VDARE?"
Worse, he's no longer Steve Sailer or the person formerly known as Steve Sailer.
Haven't you picked up on the changes in style, tone and writing quality?
edgy gurl, you are an idiot.
In the 1980s, I never saw East Asian men married with or even dating white women. But in the last decade I've seen more and more of them. ( Now it's finally reached pop culture and there's a Korean guy doing a Georgia belle in AMC's zombie TV series! ) When I do see them, however, I always get the impression they are upper-middle-class or upwardly mobile. Being born in the United States probably helps "masculinize" the East Asian male (with language especially), but you can't discount the fact that Asian males are now taller and his financial and career prospects are much better than most other minority men.
I understand the ratios of interracial marriage are the same, but I didn't understand if the absolute number of such marriages (well, I mean absolute in the sense of percentage of such marriages of all marriages) are the same. Maybe I missed it.
In other words, is interracial marriage itself on the rise, declining or the same?
This interracial marriage gap is not simply "masculity" as Americans commonly understand it.
For example, SE Asian Indians may be considered the least masculine by the metric of physicality. India has the lowest per captial Olympic medal count of any familiar country by far.
Yet, SE Asian Indians probably have the highest Asian Male/White Female coupling rate compared to other Asian group.
For SE Asians, culture is more a factor than traditionally understood American masculity.
edgy gurl, no, I have not picked up on any changes in style, tone, or writing quality. I've been reading Steve since 2007. Give it up.
About the article:
I'm using Match.com now. A large percentage of white women are limiting their searches to "White/Caucasian" men. Larger than I would have guessed. I'd say above 80%. Such a politically incorrect thing to do. The "No Preference" option is a distant second. Once you limit your searches to "White/Caucasian", all the men who look at your profile will see that you're only interested in whites. TV, school, college constantly tell us all not to discriminate. It's one of the main messages of the age. I would say that above 95% of young women (I'm looking at the 25 to 32 range in the NYC area) put "Liberal" as their political orientation. Some even advertise a concern for lefty social causes in their write-ups. Many of those still limit their searches to "White/Caucasian".
Of course there is a caveat that Steve has touched upon in the past. These profiles represent women's attempts to plan their futures rationally. The more spontaneous, hormone-induced responses in night clubs or the workplace would produce somewhat different results.
Does anyone really say "mulatto"?
"American society’s upper reaches will become increasingly Eurasian"
These elites of mixed ancestry would realize that the USA was founded by whites. Whites who saw the USA as a white nation.
(e.g., the Constitution itself specified that American-Indians were not counted as citizens [something that was not fully reversed till c.1900, IIRC]. To say nothing of that fact that East-Asians themselves were banned on a racial basis from the late 1800s through 1942!).
Considering the above, the USA would surely not benefit from developing a mixed-race elite. The USA would have a sharp hostility to itself from its own elite. (Although, that surely already exists today already).
The operative word is LUST, sick one at that too.
Steve-
Interesting column. Nice observations on your part. Here are some of my personal observations on IR dating. Everyone please comment:
1. I too had the opportunity to spend some time in the Chicago/NY/LA axis during the mid 1990s (94-96). At that time, interracial dating in these cities, especially Chicago, was much more prevalent than in my hometown of Houston and other Southern cities like Austin,Memphis, etc. Since the early 2000s, the amount of Ir dating in the latter group of cities has increased but it still trails the Big Blue ones
2. In Texas, Hispanic/White IR couples are very common. At the low end, you see many obviously Mexican blue collar types with white wives and vice versa. There are also many middle class/upper middle class hispanic/White couples but you often dont notice them because the Hispanic is usually quite white looking.
3. In the South, middle and upper middle class Black/White couples have become more common. At least in Austin, it appears that White male/Black female IR couples are much more affluent, on average, than Black Male/White female couples. One almost never sees a blue collar white male with a black wife, although the reverse is seen quite commonly.
4. As you have pointed out, the fraction of the male population that has served in the military has declined dramatically since the end of the Cold War. As a result, the white military male/Asian wife couple is vanishing. Nowadays, IR dating between Asian females and white males is almost totally a phenomenon of college educated types.
4. On the whole, people seem less bothered by IR dating. I rarely hear negative comments about it anymore and it is not unusual to see mixed couples of any stripe socializing with non-IR couples.
"In Britain, the black-white marriage gender gap is smaller than in the US. It was reported at 1.4x in 1991 and 1.5x recently. This suggests that American culture is more masculinizing than British culture. In the interracial mating market, perhaps our cult of black machismo gives advantages to African American men while disadvantaging their sisters.
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It might also be interpreted as suggesting that British culture is more masculinizing than American.
English Soccer Hooligans are a force to be feared.
Go to Walmart. Look at video of England.
If you just confine yourself to white people, which group looks more masculine?
All I know is, if you are a capable white guy and you want to pass on a good genetic package to your children, go for Chinese women.
There are a number of other benefits as well, but I cannot mention them on a family friendly site like this.
Another thing to note, looking over the Pew summary: White people intermarry dramatically less than everybody else, everyone else is higher than their share. And a white spouses are the hub of intermarriage, 7/10. That seems contradictory, but makes sense if we assume a random neighbor-marrying model (IOW without social pressure), what with everybody surrounded by the 6.4/10 of America that's white people.
I don't see a clear sign of a "social taboo" stopping intermarriage - nor is there sign of the opposite, encouragement leading to intermarriages that wouldn't otherwise happen. The numbers could be crunched more precisely, and even better if we looked at evenly-mixed populations.
As my late wife said: "Why settle for hamburger when you can have steak?"
Jason Whitlock was trying to say the same thing about Jeremy Lin, but with far less poetic charm.
The truth is alway forbidden.
"American society’s upper reaches will become increasingly Eurasian and the lower reaches increasingly mulatto."
See this Business Insider story: "This Is The Highest Earning Type Of Interracial Couple"
http://www.businessinsider.com/this-is-the-highest-earning-type-of-interracial-couple-2012-2
Worse, he's no longer Steve Sailer or the person formerly known as Steve Sailer.
This is how "Steve is dead" rumors get started. :o)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_is_dead
He's been replaced by an evil robot from the planet Gorgon, and soon, the HBD Community will be MINE, ALL MINE!
Mooooooaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Are there still 2.5 times more black husband / white wife marriages than white husband / black wife ones. Are there still 2.5 times more white husband / Asian wife couples than Asian husband / white wife ones?
You mean 2.5 times as many, not 2.5 times more.
You posit the masculine factor as being decisive, but this is not backed up by data. Based on dating preferences data, White men are the most desirable.
The marriage ratio then becomes best explained by the quality of woman: White men prefer Asian women a LOT more than they prefer black women.
In short, White men pair with Black women much less than the opposite case, because Black women are the least sought after for marriage.
There is also an issue with relative personality distribution among the races: outgoing personalities win.
All in all, the starting point of your analysis is flawed, reflecting your essentially beta outlook, because the controlling variable is not female choice. Rather, it is male preference.
Of course you're basing your numbers on marriage which,as you mentioned,is on its way out for a lot of people. Today on the train--synchronicity!-I saw an overweight white female with two mulatto kids heading up to W---.I doubt she was "married",unless-God forbid,she would,after the post-coital exit of the daddy("Dazz booshit! Dey aint mine!!" etc)-snare some poor shmuck of a white guy to be her husband.The odd thing,though,is that she was deeply involved in reading a book. I carefully strained to check out the title:"Coming Apart"! What do you know? I have read stuff in the past about how the BM/WF combo is the bottom of the barrell.The least paternal help of any inter-combo. Though would I be wrong in assuming a black/mexican mix would be even more screwed up? As for Asians, the few white women I have seen with Asian hubbies seem to be not very sexy,they seem more nerdy.I cant recall any that have sparked any "jealousy". on the other hand I have seen some Asian guys with Asian women(the nerve!poaching our women,say the STEMS)that are flat out beautiful. Bothersome. I dont know what this means but its an intersting story: I saw at my local T----,an average Asian woman. No big deal. She had a young daughter,who was quite obviously Eurasian. The girl was stunning. Amazing! (And no.I havent gone all Gary Glitter on you guys,I had NO sexual attraction to the kid,I just sawwhat was there,a remarkably beautiful face. )
Nothing about the fact that 43% of the "interracial" marriages were White-Hispanic? I.e., a great many "interracial" marriages involve Whites married to Whites?
the hell with marriage. most sex happens out of marriage, and i wouldn't be surprised if 40% of young white women had sex with black men. in depressed integrated communities, I wouldn't be surprised if its 60%.
Marriage smarriage, to the kids these days...Marriages are a very biased sample of long term relationsips, with shorter, casual, or less formal relationships left out.
This being an evocon blog, [Hear me, Lucius? an EVOcon blog] interracial babymaking, regardless of marital status, would be much more interesting.
Compare/contrast the Williams sisters with say, Maria Sharapova. You will find a difference in feminine beauty.
Not many Black women tend to be sex symbols, and men's desire like women's is not exactly something that is polite, rather instinctual. Those women who are Black and sex symbols (Halle Berry in her prime, perhaps a few others) tend to be fairly lighter skinned and with more delicate White features than Black. Meanwhile Male Black features are certainly attractive to women of all races. As the track records of men like Michael Jordan, or Seal, or the NBA itself, suggests. Indeed the Kardashians sell more magazine covers at the checkout-lane because of their involvement with famous Black athletes who seem to form the object of desire.
In a global sexual marketplace, there are winners and losers just like in the labor marketplace. This should not be hard to understand. [Re the dating preferences on dating sites -- that's a polite social network, not probably indicative of real sexual behavior today. I would be careful in using that as a proxy for actual behavior.]
There lots of beautiful black women around. They, like white women and unlike Asian women , avoid HBD-type white guys like the plague.
Youtube some of those soul groupos from the '70s. i.e., Three Degrees , Fifth Dimension.
Do you really believe this huge percentage of whites will be absorbed into the immigrant population? Especially when you ignore statistics on hispanic ethnic/white ethnic intermarriages, I'd say the whites who marry asians tend to be jewish ethnics who are already a smaller percentage of the population; this means the eurasian numbers won't be high. There aren't a huge number of whites intermarrying with blacks either. Hmmm. I guess that means your mulatto vs eurasian class gap isn't statistically significant.
What will most likely happen is that the huge number of hispanic whites will become the dominant population spanning all socioeconomic categories. Since there are plenty of lower class east Asians and upwardly mobile African immigrants the class effect by country of origin will be further reduced. Most interracial couples will fit solidly within the bounds of middle class, anyway, college education being so universal now. Mixed race blacks or mulattos may even have a cultural advantage if not a genetic one which means that when these children enter adulthood they'll more likely be middle class.
I repeat. The majority of asian intermarriages are between jewish males and asian females. There simply aren't enough jewish guys to father a new race of super elites. How many children do Woody and Soon-yi, Maury Povitch and Connie Chung have anyway? LOL Furthermore, jewish guys have been known to marry, gasp!, their own kind, along with females of just about any other ethnic/racial background. Let's also not forget that Asian can be defined in other ways. Anthropologically speaking vs technically, many of these intermarriages would actually be between darker skinned caucasians from the east and lighter skinned ones from the west,
"the hell with marriage. most sex happens out of marriage, and i wouldn't be surprised if 40% of young white women had sex with black men. in depressed integrated communities, I wouldn't be surprised if its 60%."
Even if we were to assume that all white women are as infatuated with black men as you seem to be, do you realize that black people make up only 12% of the American population, and that they are not evenly distributed?
The majority of whites live in suburbs, small towns and rural areas. The majority of white girls wouldn't be able to meet a black love interest at school or the local mall/park district. Are you suggesting that for the sake of experiencing the holy black penis, white girls organize trips to their nearest cities where they solicit random strangers of the prized race?
I do know several black/white couples, but all of them have normal histories of meeting, showing interest, dating, ect., rather than hooking up in the back of the bus in the early ours on a Saturday.
Forty percent of white women having sex with black men seems to be something out of a white man's cuckold fantasy. Do you hire black men to have sex with your wife while you watch?
"There lots of beautiful black women around. They, like white women and unlike Asian women , avoid HBD-type white guys like the plague."
That's probably because they were living their lives instead of studying every spare minute to make it appear they had genius IQs instead of average ones. ;o)
"You mean 2.5 times as many, not 2.5 times more."
Thanks, will fix.
More evidence from the Pew Research study that a large portion (not ALL but a significant portion) of White Husband Asian Females marriages are mail order brides, military brides, or marriages of economics. These factors greatly skew the intermarriage statistics and when you take just native (or US-born) Asian male and females, the intermarriage rates narrow tremendously.
1) TABLE A4 Characteristics of Newlywed Couples Involving Whites and Asians (Husband-Wife)
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http://i.imgur.com/e0HmF.jpg
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A1) 69.4% of White Male (WM)/Asian Female (AF) Marriages are with a native WM and foreign-born AF
A2) 22.5% of WM/AF Marriages are with a native WM and native AF
B1) 42.9% of Asian Male (AM)/White Female (WF) Marriages are with a foreign-born AM and native WF
B2) 49.4% of AM/WF Marriages are with a native AM and native WF
2) TABLE A4 Characteristics of Newlywed Couples Involving Whites and Hispanics (Husband-Wife)
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http://i.imgur.com/CiiP9.jpg
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A1) 21.4% of White Male (WM)/Hispanic Female (HF) Marriages are with a native WM and foreign-born HF
A2) 73.0% of WM/HF Marriages are with a native WM and native HF
B1) 23.3% of Hispanic Male (HM)/White Female (WF) Marriages are with a foreign-born HM and native WF
B2) 70.8% of HM/WF Marriages are with a native HM and native WF
3) CHART Age difference of the Newlyweds
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http://i.imgur.com/zl5Rf.jpg
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A1) White Husband/Asian Wife = 5.3 Years
A2) Asian Husband/White Wife = 2.5 Years
B1) White Husband/Hispanic Wife = 2.5 Years
B2) Hispanic Husband/White Wife = 2.1 Years
ANALYSIS : Almost 70% of White Male/Asian Female marriages involve a foreign-born Asian wife as compared to just 21% of White Male/Hispanic Female marriages. In addition, the greatest age difference (by far) between the different pairings is with White Husbands/Asian Wives. These stats leads further proof of intermarriage statistics between White males/Asian females are inflated by White men in the military in Asia or those traveling to SE Asia to get younger Asian wives.
Nothing about the fact that 43% of the "interracial" marriages were White-Hispanic? I.e., a great many "interracial" marriages involve Whites married to Whites?
Latin America was never as strict as North America. Not as much strict adherence to hypodescent.
So while Hispanic Whites may be majority White, many of them probably have non-trivial Amerind and sub-Saharan Afro admixture.
As my late wife said: "Why settle for hamburger when you can have steak?"
Jason Whitlock was trying to say the same thing about Jeremy Lin, but with far less poetic charm.
The truth is alway forbidden.
What does this say about white guys who go for asian girls? That they're more "asian" than the white guys who can get white girls?
There lots of beautiful black women around.
There may be--that's kind of a meaningless statement.
Sexually, most black women are invisible to white men. WM/BF couplings are an extreme outlier phenomenon, even among black women whom the culture rates highly for attractiveness.
As the track records of men like Michael Jordan, or Seal, or the NBA itself, suggests. Indeed the Kardashians sell more magazine covers at the checkout-lane because of their involvement with famous Black athletes who seem to form the object of desire.
NBA popularity has cratered over the past couple decades, especially among non-blacks. More white stars like Nowitzki, and even people like Jeremy Lin, would probably increase the NBA's popularity.
The Kardashians are heavily promoted by the media incommensurate to their actual popularity in reality. Sort of like how virtually every commercial features dumb white guys and genius blacks, completely out of touch with the reality.
"Even if we were to assume that all white women are as infatuated with black men as you seem to be, do you realize that black people make up only 12% of the American population, and that they are not evenly distributed?"
Look at nature. One lion can serve a dozen lionesses in a single day. So, one black guy can hump a whole bunch of white hos in da integrated hood.
"Forty percent of white women having sex with black men seems to be something out of a white man's cuckold fantasy. Do you hire black men to have sex with your wife while you watch?"
You haven't been around to some towns in America. I mean it's getting bad. Real bad.
What will most likely happen is that the huge number of hispanic whites will become the dominant population spanning all socioeconomic categories.
Right. I think rather than the elite become more "Eurasian" it will become more dominated by savvy "dark" or "swarthy" types, from Caucasoid types such as Hispanic whites, Jews, subcon Indians/Pakistanis, Mideasterners, "gold-chainers", etc. to mulattoes and others with non-trivial sub-Saharan African ancestry. Northern Euro types will be more crowded out, except for their women who will be taken by the elite "darker" types. East Asians as well will probably not be a significant component of the elite in the long run.
The majority of whites live in suburbs, small towns and rural areas. The majority of white girls wouldn't be able to meet a black love interest at school or the local mall/park district.
The government and media/cultural elites make a point of "diversifying" the environments (physical and virtual/media) of impressionable young people.
"Are you suggesting that for the sake of experiencing the holy black penis, white girls organize trips to their nearest cities where they solicit random strangers of the prized race?"
Hey Maya, don't shoot the messenger!
"Do you hire black men to have sex with your wife while you watch?"
Yeah, and if so, could you contact me with a rate card through my blog?
@swimming swan
Some data - in the SF Bay area, white (non-Jewish as far as I know) guys and NE Asian girls are /very/ common. I'll have to try to observe as a proportion I guess - but something like (pulled from air) 25 - 30%?
All I know is that at least 90% of the mixed-race couples I see are black male-white female. I can't think of a greater insult or repudiation of black females then the fact that so many men of their very own race don't want them. But then again most black females I see are anything but attractive and their loud and vulgar mannerisms are extremely non-feminine.
Guess I’m living the dream. Me – Scots/Irish/German from pre-Rev War stock; wife – half Thai/half-Lao, emigrated to US in late ‘70s. We both have college degrees, me – MS, her – BS. Funny thing though; in my anecdotal observations, I don’t see the “Asian Tiger Mom” so much in SE Asian women as in East Asian women. We have two kids (daughter and son), and, while both are academically in the top 15% at their grade school/junior high school, we don’t constantly push them to get straight A’s; we are happy that they strive to be above average, and let them seek out what interests them the most in terms of intellectual/athletic stimulation. SE Asian women seem more content to have a happy, strong family; super-academic/athletic achievement is nice, but being successful is ok too. Again, my sample size is small (limited to my in-laws and their ex-pat social circle), but that’s my observation. Interestingly, was married to a 5th generation Hispanic Tex-Mex gal the first time; didn’t work for a variety of reasons, but I guess my only two marriage experiences are with other “races” (but I didn’t consider my first wife as a different race; she was as American as apple pie and didn’t speak Spanish; but the family dinners with the in-laws were to die for if you liked Tex-Mex cuisine!!).
NBA popularity has cratered over the past couple decades
No idea whether or not this is true, but since the late '90's what's changed is that if you go to an NBA game, you're likely to have blacks sitting around you. As blacks have taken over urban government positions and gained lots of overtime income, the local NBA game is the black "scene," sorta like Studio 54 was for whites in 1978, or maybe a Vegas prizefight. The ushers are black, the concession workers are black, the cops are black, the single women are black, looking to trail one of the players back to the hotel. Then you have the rich white guys sitting at court level, the collars of their polo shirts turned up to look rakish. Very funny.
FACT
all women (especially white) CRAVE black men
white boys just don't cut it
Brad Pitt, the so-called Sexiest Man Alive, has dated several black women.
David Bowie and Roger Ebert have black wives. Boris Becker used to.
De Niro only dates black women.
A Russian gazillionaire is dating Naomi Campbell.
These are white guys at the top of their fields who have their pick of women and chose black women.
Black women are only sexually invisible to men who don't have a hope in hell of attracting them.
dearieme:"Too many of your commenters haven't flown on Ethiopian Airlines. The "black women are ugly" generalisation is unsustainable for anyone who has. Mind you, your slaves didn't come from there."
Ethiopians have a strong degree of West Eurasian/Caucasoid ancestry in their makeup. Hence, their better looks.
Yeah, it's too bad that when the British got the Asiento that they didn't try to develop the trade in human cargo in East Africa.Ah, well. At least the inhabitants of Liverpool made a good profit.
Many of the former liberal white guys i know, changed their political opinions after realising that they are on the receiving end of the last 50 years of social revolution, you name it: feminism, multiculturalism, "The Great Society" welfare schemes... the truth is that the sexual liberation only benifitted few men and mostly women, who can pick and choose anyone.
Half the magazines on newstands this week have a picture of a young you-know-who on them and yet isteve commenters can't imagine a good-looking black woman.
As I've said before, Steve needs to reach more heterosexual males for his audience.
Heterosex-it is the greatest love of all.
I'm happy that the brothers are around. It keeps the 200-lb. white girlz happy!
I personally know three interracial couples. They all have the same thing in common: a Jewish guy.
For the good of society, we should all be trying to hook black women up with Asian guys.
the local NBA game is the black "scene,"
Yeah. Also the NBA All-Star weekend is like a black thing too, like a national black holiday. All the black celebrities show up for that.
No idea whether or not this is true, but since the late '90's what's changed is that if you go to an NBA game, you're likely to have blacks sitting around you. As blacks have taken over urban government positions and gained lots of overtime income, the local NBA game is the black "scene,"
It's gotten blacker in general - more black coaches, more black commentators and journalists covering, blacker style of play, etc.
marriage rates are declining, so this is getting to be a less reliable way to evaluate the question.
although really you get the basic idea simply going about your daily business in whatever your local city is. it does vary from city to city however. but the trends are always present.
personally i think it's time to drop the knee jerk accusations that any european man with an asian woman is some loser beta nerd. reality in 2012 is that successful, wealthy, socially dominant men, of all groups, are interested in asian women and are dating them regularly. they are considered desirable by lots of men who have plenty of options and could choose whatever type of woman they want.
Never seen an east asian guy with a black woman.
I have, although not until 1999, two years after "Is Love Colorblind?" and I had been looking a long time. Less rare since 1999.
"Over the last 30 years, white/Asian couples have become increasingly upscale in educational levels. In contrast, black/white marriages have headed down-market."
pretty much what i observe in almost every city. the harsh truth is that it is typically fat, low class women who are not getting as much attention from men, who end up with african guys. not always of course, but that's the trend for sure. on average africans guys don't mind chubby women or divorced middle aged women. they'll take them. women of any group are fine, they aren't picky. they'll aggressively pursue any women around them.
they rarely get married though, even to african women, so again, i think the statistics get skewed pretty bad. with respect to that 2.5 ratio, you're only looking at about what 30% of african men are doing. 70% of them are never getting married, so the data misses their behavior completely. the actual ratio of who is dating who, HAS to be like 10.0 or something like that. european men just aren't interested in african women on average, and don't pursue them. any of them who are interested, are serious, and they're more likely to marry, bringing the MARRIAGE ratio down to 2.5. but the dating ratio, it's way, way higher.
in canada and australia and US states with east asian populations above 2 or 3 percent, it's pretty much european man, asian woman everywhere. canada is going to be a eurasian nation at this rate.
reality in 2012 is that successful, wealthy, socially dominant men, of all groups, are interested in asian women and are dating them regularly.
That doesn't mean these aren't betas. Most of these are pseudo-alpha types.
the hell with marriage. most sex happens out of marriage, and i wouldn't be surprised if 40% of young white women had sex with black men. in depressed integrated communities, I wouldn't be surprised if its 60%.
What wouldn't surprise you doesn't constitute anecdote, much less data.
The percent of white females in this sample who report any black sex partner, by hair color:
Black 8.2%
Brown 5.0%
Blond 3.9%
Red 3.9%
http://racehist.blogspot.com/2009/04/more-data-on-racial-mixing.html
All I know is, if you are a capable white guy and you want to pass on a good genetic package to your children, go for Chinese women.
Of course, if you want to pass on your own genetic package, you'll have to marry a White woman.
"pretty much what i observe in almost every city. the harsh truth is that it is typically fat, low class women who are not getting as much attention from men, who end up with african guys. not always of course, but that's the trend for sure. on average africans guys don't mind chubby women or divorced middle aged women. they'll take them. women of any group are fine, they aren't picky. they'll aggressively pursue any women around them."
Did you lose a girlfriend or wife to a black guy? From the level of animosity towards those who mate with blacks, I gather this is personal for you. You weren't going to date such women. And they probably get treated better by a black guy who sees even an overweight white female as a trophy than a roughneck white guy who might insult her looks when he got angry. Also, there's something to be said for a non finicky male. The kind of guy who could still have sex with you were you lost on a desert isle, no make-up, crappy hair, no soap is not to be sneezed at.
You might even think of it as sex in its most abstract form: the details of status, accessories, personality completely unnecessary. You, on the other hand, represent the anal-retentive, high maintenance masculinity bordering on homosexuality. Your woman would be in fear of sexual rejection were she a bit bloated or maybe if she had a sunburn or, god forbid, a pimple. Find out her grade point average was lower than she said, goodbye. Mastectomy, ditto. Of course you'd rationalize a way to blame her for the breakup. For you, the woman serves as a commodity. Every feature shopped for like a car, a mediocre, boxy yet miserably dependable one with no zip or pizzazz, but it's the most you can afford.
I'm so glad I'm not trapped in your world.
Oh, yeah, btw, you spend an inordinate amount of time on someone else's blog. You're not counting yourself among the alphas are you?
"and i wouldn't be surprised if 40% of young white women had sex with black men."
I would be surprised if it were even 10%. It ain't a white woman's fantasy. If it were it would be more mainstreamed by now, with far more interracial children than you see. White woman date white men, marry white men, bear white men's children, and, when they fantasize about celebrities, fantasize about white men - Clooney, Firth, Pitt, Jackman, Gosling, Tatum, ad infintum. I can't remember the last time I heard a woman crushing on a black celebrity or athlete.
Going forward, I would wager that you'll see those relationships in decline. The experience has not been good, with many white mothers being abandoned by their childrens' black fathers. A very prominent example of this problem sits in the Oval Office at this moment.
"Brad Pitt, the so-called Sexiest Man Alive, has dated several black women. David Bowie and Roger Ebert have black wives. Boris Becker used to. De Niro only dates black women. A Russian gazillionaire is dating Naomi Campbell.
Wahoo! - five celebrities (out of thousands) date black women. And Roger Flipping Ebert? The man looks like a reincarnated Gertrude Stein (actually Gertrude was more masculine than Ebert).
I never categorically dismissed dating black women. There were a few I could have dated, but they fell into two categories: 1) too promiscuous; 2) too whiny about their leftist politics.
"Yeah, but out of white vaginas come mulattos who count as black. So black women, while jealous of white girls, also take satisfaction in 'another white bitch racially extinguished by jungle fever'. Obama is the product of black man humping a white woman, but do blacks reject him? NO.
And besides, for both male and female of any race, the race whose males take the females of other race is the winning race."
Well, I thought of sending my 6-year old nephew to contact you and explain your logic errors, but in retrospect I didn't think he could dumb it down enough.
The experience has not been good, with many white mothers being abandoned by their childrens' black fathers. A very prominent example of this problem sits in the Oval Office at this moment.
You don't seem to understand female psychology.
Being abandoned by the father is not really a big deal if they can get others to support the kid and the kid ends up being president one day.
Truth,
I'll give you $50 (American)and a lightly used pair of rubber underpants if you come to the next Thanksgiving dinner with me, as my new boyfriend. I feel the time has come to pay Mother back for my stressful adolescence. This should shave a few years off her life.
Of course, if you want to pass on your own genetic package, you'll have to marry a White woman.
Cloning would be even better. And it might be viable in the near future as an option for reproduction.
" White woman date white men, marry white men, bear white men's children, and, when they fantasize about celebrities, fantasize about white men"
And this is, pretty much, true for every group. Interracial relationships might be more common than they used to be, but they are still far from common, in general. Even black men, a group that is most willing to engage with women of any race, are still a lot more likely to marry, have sex and have children within their own race.
I personally know three interracial couples. They all have the same thing in common: a Jewish guy.
Wait, I thought Jews were super-hyper-ethnocentric and only dated their own kind, while foisting miscegenation on unsuspecting goys. Could it be that that's a bunch of bullshit?
He's been replaced by an evil robot from the planet Gorgon, and soon, the HBD Community will be MINE, ALL MINE!
Mooooooaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Truth hits the bullseye, for a change ;)
What's the psychology of people who think their favorite blog writers have been replaced by impostors? I've seen this phenomenon on Roissy'd blog too: when some idiots there are displeased by the master's posts, they claim he's no longer the real Roissy.
I'm a long-term expat English prof in Korea, and recently I spent a weekend at the apartment of an old buddy of mine with his Korean wife and their nine-year-old daughter. This couple has an intense love-hate relationship, but they have stayed together for over a decade now, and are planning to move to Spain at the end of the year. I've read that IR marriages have a greater propensity to divorce, but this couple has hung together despite its problems. The main thing I noticed about this menage is the daughter: she's beautiful, with unusual green-brown eyes and rather brownish black hair, plus a face with distinct Eurasian features. She'll be a real catch some day. White-Asian marriages do seem to produce extraordinary children.
" I've seen this phenomenon on Roissy'd blog too: when some idiots there are displeased by the master's posts, they claim he's no longer the real Roissy."
When you've slummed it with a blogger off and on for nearly 7 years you get to know his style and memes so well you can almost predict the next post.
Even more suspicious, it's been forever since one of his articles dealt with any serious statistics which was the angle Sailer worked as a journalist.
Not to mention:
The definition of race never pops into conversations anymore
There are way fewer references to Evelyn Waugh.
Missing movie reviews.
Movie reviews without an HBD angle.
Roissy never shows up for game theory anymore.
No references to The Derb.
No rabbit stories.
No vacuum comments.
Other than Svigor, almost none of the old commenters show up anymore.
No endearing dad stories.
Evelyn Waugh han'y written any new books lately, the rabbits just munch expensive cilantro and poop, and my dad needs to work on his endearingness.
" White-Asian marriages do seem to produce extraordinary children."
I wouldn't drag the little beauty queen to Spain though. It's either their own dark-eyed, black haired, olive-skinned beauties or light-skinned blondes and redheads.
Odd they never use these darlings in commercials or anything. Can't say I've ever seen an extraordinary child of white-asian ancestry.
"Wait, I thought Jews were super-hyper-ethnocentric and only dated their own kind, while foisting miscegenation on unsuspecting goys. Could it be that that's a bunch of bullshit?"
Just because you farm out a few of your hornly unwanteds doesn't get you off the hook.
"Evelyn Waugh han'y written any new books lately, the rabbits just munch expensive cilantro and poop, and my dad needs to work on his endearingness."
Sailer would never have written that, you evil pod person.
The real Sailer worships his dad almost as much as Waugh. He's also quite protective of rabbits, saving them from hawks and such.
Sitting in my local coffee shop now, and an 20-something interracial couple just walked in. Black guy, about 6'2", kinda skinny, extremely black. White girl, about 5'2", blond, probably 170 lbs.
She paid.
The chief reason for this struck me as “differences in perceived sexual attractiveness”—that on average, blacks were seen as more masculine than East Asians.
According to the iSteve readership (and perhaps Steve himself) blacks are also "seen" as being more "masculine" then white men. Yet non-black women seem curiously uninterested in getting married to them.
The reality is that this talk of who is "more masculine" off base. It's just one factor which women consider, and not the most important one.
Not many Black women tend to be sex symbols, and men's desire like women's is not exactly something that is polite, rather instinctual. Those women who are Black and sex symbols (Halle Berry in her prime, perhaps a few others) tend to be fairly lighter skinned and with more delicate White features than Black. Meanwhile Male Black features are certainly attractive to women of all races. As the track records of men like Michael Jordan, or Seal, or the NBA itself, suggests
All that this "suggests" is that being talented and worth a hundred million dollars tends to make a man attractive to women. Shocking news, I know.
pretty much what i observe in almost every city. the harsh truth is that it is typically fat, low class women who are not getting as much attention from men, who end up with african guys.
I live in NYC and don't know any fat white woman/black man married couples. In fact the only black/white couple I know is a black woman/white man one.
I personally know three interracial couples. They all have the same thing in common: a Jewish guy.
Jews not being a race, those are not "interracial couples".
Compare/contrast the Williams sisters with say, Maria Sharapova. You will find a difference in feminine beauty.
I prefer White women (pretty strongly) but I'm not sure why Maria Sharapova is the comparison, rather than Lindsey Davenport or Kim Clijsters or Amelie Mauresmo. All of whom are certainly not particularly less masculine looking than the sisters Williams (I mean, look at Mauresmo).
Black women don't look much less like Jamelia or Naomi Campbell than White women tend to look like similar models or actresses. For every Alek Wek, I can find you a freaky looking sexually unappealing Eastern Bloccer model.
Black girls are certainly not my kind of thing (or appealing to White men in general), but it's important to be straightforward about these things. Black women may skew a little heavier and behave a little more formidably (compared to more expressive and sensitive White women in particular, and to a lesser extent the cold and tough Tiger Mothers*), but Black men are more likely to be chubby chasers who want a strong woman to look after their kids while they run off and have fun anyway...
*People often confuse Asian introversion and low expressiveness for sensitivity lol.
"Truth,
I'll give you $50 (American)and a lightly used pair of rubber underpants"
Except that she, and your whole family would love me before the pumpkin pie came out, and start asking you about kids.
"Cloning would be even better. And it might be viable in the near future as an option for reproduction."
Dolly the Sheep was cloned in 1996, I would be surprised if they haven't been cloning people for at least 5 years.
"Evelyn Waugh han'y written any new books lately, the rabbits just munch expensive cilantro and poop, and my dad needs to work on his endearingness."
Also:
It's assumed that everyone knows the definition or race by now.
You get paid for the movie reviews.
Whiskey's the resident Ladykiller/ Game expert.
How'd I do?
A kin-group's preachers-to-others may behave quite selflessly and non-hypocritically. The key is their ability to spread memes to non-kin groups to which the kin group is relatively immune. The core kin-group is relatively immune, while the outer edges of the diaspora may not be as much.
Except most secular, inter-ethnic-dating-and-marrying Jews are not fond of their conservatively religious, hyper-ethoncentric brethren - and are usually faintly embarrassed or downright hostile to them.
"Except most secular, inter-ethnic-dating-and-marrying Jews are not fond of their conservatively religious, hyper-ethoncentric brethren - and are usually faintly embarrassed or downright hostile to them."
Jews are both the most cosmopolitan and the most tribal. Their example shows we can have both. So, we should do likewise. Open our minds to all the ideas and advantages of the world but work in our collective interest.
Paradoxically, Jewish cosmopolitanism is rooted in Jewish tribalism. Jews needed to learn how to be cosmopolitan precisely because they were aware of trading, dealing, and negotiating with DIFFERENT peoples. If Jews had totally abandoned their tribalism and assimilated into non-Jewish communities, cosmopolitanism would have been useless. Why not just become a Christian, Muslim, Syrian, or something else and forget about it?
No, it was because Jews wanted to maintain their Jewishness that they needed to develop cosmopolitanism as a tool and method by which to deal with non-Jews. Cosmopolitanism would allow Jews to trade/deal with non-Jews(and learn from non-Jews) in the bigger world while maintaining their Jewish identity and tradition in their own world.
Ancient Greeks used cosmopolitanism the same way. They were very aware(and proud) of their Greekness but also had contacts with non-Greek cultures, peoples, and worlds. Among Greeks, they didn't need cosmopolitanism, but in dealing with non-Greeks in trade, ideas, and diplomacy, Greeks needed to develop a cosmopolitan mindset.
So, the Right should not reject cosmopolitanism. It is a useful tool. After all, Jewish power grew stronger by using cosmopolitanism as an instrument and lens for dealing with non-Jewish communities.
Except most secular, inter-ethnic-dating-and-marrying Jews are not fond of their conservatively religious, hyper-ethoncentric brethren - and are usually faintly embarrassed or downright hostile to them.
Exactly. It's called group hypocrisy - hypocrisy at the group level. The kin-group's preachers-to-others, in this case the "secular, inter-ethnic-dating-and-marrying Jews", may behave quite selflessly and non-hypocritically. The key is their ability to spread memes to non-kin groups to which the kin group is relatively immune. The core kin-group is relatively immune, while the outer edges of the diaspora may not be as much.
So, the Right should not reject cosmopolitanism. It is a useful tool. After all, Jewish power grew stronger by using cosmopolitanism as an instrument and lens for dealing with non-Jewish communities.
You sound stupid.
Cosmopolitanism is an environment, a type of human ecology.
Much of the motivation behind the Right is from people who don't like cosmopolitanism as environment for themselves and for raising their children.
"and i wouldn't be surprised if 40% of young white women had sex with black men."
Absolutely absurd. First of all, just the practicalities -- blacks are only 13% or so of the population in this country, and many, if not most, are in environments where no white person would venture.
Furthermore, according to studies (one of them cited by the current FLOTUS in her thesis) the more whites are around blacks, the less they are likely to become intimately involved. The type of white female (aside from loser types so often cited) are quite nice, but naive girls from places like upper Minnesota where there few blacks and the ones that were around were more or less like the whites.
My personal estimate, as a white female in large metropolis full of SWLP but who are surrounded by blacks: among upper middle class, college educated, maybe 1% actually broadcast such a relationship. Among white females as a whole, that i see around me, maybe 5%, tops.
Certainly there are certain types of people--in showbusiness, "bohemian", hard left politics types, who make a point of interracial relations; but they are not typical.
I don't know if it's as low as 1%, but it's sure closer to 1% than to 40%. That's an insane and impossible stat. Either wishful thinking, or paranoic thinking, depending on the person.
"And they probably get treated better by a black guy who sees even an overweight white female as a trophy than a roughneck white guy who might insult her looks when he got angry. Also, there's something to be said for a non finicky male. The kind of guy who could still have sex with you were you lost on a desert isle, no make-up, crappy hair, no soap is not to be sneezed at."
I have no dog in this dispute. I don't know or care if white females who date black men look any worse than average -- I've seen some good looking enough types in these relationships.I'm not personally attracted to blacks, but if someone else is, I don't care.
But the idea that blacks treat them "better" is insane. They will pay attention, in order to get sex, but the rate of violence and murder in these relationships is very, very high. Among the highest in the world.
Dating black because they treat you better -- of course I am not talking about all -- is living in bizarro world, it is so manifestly the opposite.
"Evelyn Waugh han'y written any new books lately"
If you like Waugh, you might want to read the book The Same Man: George Orwell and Evelyn Waugh.
http://www.amazon.com/Same-Man-George-Orwell-Evelyn/product-reviews/1400066344/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
Forget Race. Please examine fat and thin dating. Men like thin (well proportioned) women for as long as I've been alive and I suspect much longer. Scarlett O'Hara went to great lengths to tighten that corset. When malnutrition was common perhaps things were different. Heads will turn to follow a slinky woman no matter what her race. Gay men take all the flak for promoting an artificial ideal, but that ideal (though it is a little exaggerated) seems true to me, especially amongst the upper echelon. Did you ever see a chunky trophy wife?
Strippers are much more likely to be small breasted than fat.
"Furthermore, according to studies (one of them cited by the current FLOTUS in her thesis) the more whites are around blacks, the less they are likely to become intimately involved."
I don't care about studies. I trust my eyes and ears. I've probably seen and socialized more with lower class white America in integrated neighborhoods--much of it due to section 8 housing--than anyone else.
Another thing... when I was a kid, there was a cultural understanding that black kids had black culture and white kids had white culture. Black boys and girls had their own culture, and white boys and girls had their own culture. And black boys, whatever their sexual preferences, understood they should go with their own kind.
Now, that's all changed. Black males brazenly make overtures to white girls, and many white girls go with blacks. And many whites partake of trashy rap culture.
"The type of white female (aside from loser types so often cited) are quite nice, but naive girls from places like upper Minnesota where there few blacks and the ones that were around were more or less like the whites."
While I agree with you that the percentage of white women who have been with blacks is nowhere near 40 percent, I disagree with you that most white women in these relationships are from areas with few blacks. Based on my own observations living in various parts of the country, these relationships tend to be most common in areas that have both a) substantial black populations and b) large lower class white populations. Lower class white girls living near blacks date/screw them PLENTY. If you're a SWPL type and rarely around prole whites, I understand why you might not have any clue about this.
"I don't care about studies. I trust my eyes and ears. I've probably seen and socialized more with lower class white America in integrated neighborhoods--much of it due to section 8 housing--than anyone else."
Alright then. I've met some white people like those who appear on Maury Povich, in real life, but I haven't socialized with them much. I'll defer to your expertise. However, believe me when I tell you about the middle class whites. I grew up in a huge suburban sprawl of a large metro area, and the numerous whites whose roots were, generally, traceable to Ellis Island (I'll skip the white immigrants who are, more often than not, quite racist)spanned the middle class from the lower middle school secretaries married to cops to the upper middle doctors married to lawyers. Then, I went to a huge state flagship university where i naturally gravitated towards the same type of people. Basically, that's the demographic i end up socializing with, no matter where I go. It just happens.
All that said, MY eyes and ears tell me that middle class white women dating black men is extremely rare. I don't think anyone makes a decision to stay away from black men. I certainly didn't. It's just that it's very hard to find one who fits what we're looking for, and finding one isn't a goal. 1. Most middle class white women want a certain level of education and intelligence and a certain sensibility/mannerism. A black man would have to act white, naturally. Truth is that hiphop aesthetic just isn't sexy to a middle class white girl. 2. White guilt and political correctness get tiresome even for those who support and promote them. For intimacy to be possible, he would have to be invested in his blackness no more than she is invested in her whiteness. 3.Within the very small number that would fit the above criteria, there now needs to be a man whom a particular girl would find attractive, and he would need to be attracted to her too. It could happen. It does happen. But it is so extremely rare.
On the other hand, Asian/White and Hispanic/White couples are a lot more common. That's because middle class Asians and Hispanics often don't build their identities around their races, and they often act and think just like middle class whites.
Blacks and whites dating always brings out the controversy, LOL.
I would also like to hear more about the white/Hispanic pairing, which is the largest IR pairing and definitely be int he future due to demographics. Interesting that the married HF/WF and WM/HF combos are about the same numberwise.
Wait, I thought Jews were super-hyper-ethnocentric and only dated their own kind, while foisting miscegenation on unsuspecting goys. Could it be that that's a bunch of bullshit?
Is "super-hyper-ethnocentric" like "Joo mind control rayz lulz!"? Anyway, Jews are a lot more ethnocentric than Whites. Paying attention will show you that. As for miscegenation, nobody knows. I've been asking for the rate at which Jews miscegenate (marry outside their race) for years and nobody's ponied up the first statistic or cite. Jewish "outmarriage" is defined in such a way that it only serves to highlight Jewish ethnocentrism (polite people call it "racism" or "bigotry"); it means Jews marrying White people. Nobody even keeps statistics for these "outmarriage" rates for other groups (Irish, Italian, English, French, German, Russian, etc.), at least, not with a fraction of the obsessiveness that Jews keep track of theirs. As near as I can tell, the Jewish "outmarriage" rate is in the neighborhood of half that of comparable groups.
Except most secular, inter-ethnic-dating-and-marrying Jews are not fond of their conservatively religious, hyper-ethoncentric brethren - and are usually faintly embarrassed or downright hostile to them.
It's all "relative," if you'll forgive me. I.e., more fond than they are of the goyim, not embarrassed enough to break ranks, less hostile than they are toward the goyim, etc.
Jews are smart, so a modicum of nuance shouldn't be too terribly difficult for them.
"For intimacy to be possible, he would have to be invested in his blackness no more than she is invested in her whiteness."
Yeah, but Maya, that's no fun. Meeting your mom and family I can only play Bryant Gumbel for so long, we have to
revert to the mean at some point don't we?
"Blacks and whites dating always brings out the controversy, LOL.
I would also like to hear more about the white/Hispanic pairing, which is the largest IR pairing and definitely be int he future due to demographics. Interesting that the married HF/WF and WM/HF combos are about the same numberwise."
Black/White dating seems controversial because the isolationist black culture likes to draw attention to itself and make everything about itself a big deal. Also, many blacks, of all classes, buy into, the narrative of the black experience being that of the ultimate pain and ultimate strength, central to every topic in life.
What's there to say about the White/Hispanic pairings? I've met a lot of people in my circles who are half Hispanic. There isn't a large unified cultural force out to shame them, if they aren't too invested into their Hispanic side.
Just yesterday, I met a girl, studying at a coffee shop, who told me that she was half German, when Germany came up in conversation. Her features looked more South European, and it turned out she is half Mexican as well. Having visited both, she prefers Germany while her sister prefers Mexico.
One of my college roommates was half Mexican and half Polish, in roots. She showed about equal interest in both cultures, though neither seemed central to her identity.
Although it exists, as it would exist anywhere it gets planted, the sense of victimhood, entitlement and ethnic identity just isn't all that strong among the middle class Hispanics. They are kind of like the Italians or the Greeks, or the secular Jews.
Besides, as it's been said above, "Hispanic" isn't really a race. Most of those I met in college or hanging out at the local SWPL spots wouldn't look out of place in Spain, Italy or France.
Peggy Lipton, Jada Pinkett's mother, Halle Berry's mother, Vanessa Williams mother, Mariah Carrey's mother, and Heidi Klum all beg to differ with you on the type of woman who dates black guys. The fact is women from any background aren't going to be destroyed by any relationship unless they also do drugs.
Black/white pairings happen. The white women involved aren't blackened or lost to society forever. I'd say that Peggy Lipton's children as well as Heidi Klum's will be exceptional enough as are the aforementioned biracial stars. What I'm more interested in is keeping a core white population that hasn't been so diluted by miscegenation that whites no longer exist. What you advocate wrt Asians would be a drastic alteration of the gene pool while Hispanic intermarriage in the US threatens a transformation in culture tying us more to South America and Spain than Europe.
I can't abide your strategy of labeling your preferred non-European racial/ethnic groups as white enough while mocking anyone who would intermarry with Africans. Either you're for preserving a people and a heritage or not. Otherwise, I'm not interested in the listing flavors you'd think white enough while relegating any African admixtures to the bottom rung of society.
Everyone else against Africans and way-too-indian mestizzos. And it's all good. I think not. Thankfully the decision isn't up to you.
My major interest, which probably resembles what Jews intend when promoting marriage within their own population, is in preserving a people. Asians aren't part of that genetic heritage and the Hispanic culture is too large and strong not to overwhelm the ethnicity altogether. Yet if someone's going to marry outside the white race/culture, the choice is theirs to make, not mine or anyone on Steve Sailer's blog. I wish these people no ill and I'm certainly not going to establish a racial hierarchy for non-European intermarriage.
I don't see how anyone could suggest they'd prefer offspring like Lucy Liu or Keanu Reaves to Jada Pinkett or Mariah Carrey. (Shout out to Charlie Sheen and Emilio Estevez.)
A lot of it does come down to that statistic around which this particular blog revolves: IQ. Most couples who stay with each other any appreciablelenght of time, are within 5 points of each other's IQ, an amazingly telling stat. Best friends also tend to come very close on this measurement. With black IQ what it is, and average white iq what it is, you just aren't going to get much long term pairing. Maybe a few one night stands, but they don't usually lead to anything.
Obviously there is overlap with the races, about 10% of whites being under 90, and 10% of blacks being over 100; but that isn't enough to make large scale interracial marriages/patnerships, a likely occurrence.
For all the anecdotes, it all comes down to stats and it always shakes out -- statistically -- according to IQ, when there is free choice. Always. White-black marriages will continue to be fairly uncommon no matter what attitudes. Indeed, whites have been proscribed from voicing objections for a long time now, despite the forbodings of common sense and observation. Some IR marriages are good, but most of these pairings are as uncomfortable and ill suited to each other as they look to others.
"A lot of it does come down to that statistic around which this particular blog revolves: IQ. Most couples who stay with each other any appreciablelenght of time, are within 5 points of each other's IQ, an amazingly telling stat."
Unfortunately, despite the overall greater numeracy of iSteve readers, very few resist the temptation to misuse the stats in advocating their own agenda. I simply don't believe most people get their IQs tested especially when they're in the midrange. With the SAT obviously no longer a good proxy for IQ (now that we have an expansive test prep industry), I'd be skeptical about very many studies claiming exact IQ numbers.
"Based on my own observations living in various parts of the country, these relationships tend to be most common in areas that have both a) substantial black populations and b) large lower class white populations. Lower class white girls living near blacks date/screw them PLENTY."
White girls in majority black underclass areas don't get a choice.
If there are no white girls left then the same is true for half-white girls. If there's no half white girls left then the same applies to 1/4 white girls etc down through the shades.
"Yeah, but Maya, that's no fun. Meeting your mom and family I can only play Bryant Gumbel for so long, we have to
revert to the mean at some point don't we?"
Truth...
Being an American (and that's a compliment), you don't appreciate just how open minded, fair and friendly Westerners are. To you it's normal to be judged by your actions and the content of your character, most of the time. But, you see, outside of the West, tolerance isn't taught as the main virtue. Non-westerners see themselves as open-minded when they are able to feel sorry for people of a distant ethnicity when a horrible disaster strikes them. Mother claims she isn't racist because she doesn't fantasize about all the non whites dying slow and painful deaths.
I spent my elementary school years in Eastern Europe and a year and a half teaching English in East Asia. In my experience, non-westerners strongly and openly prefer their own kind.
The point I'm trying to make is: it doesn't matter how you'll act at Mother's Thanksgiving table. I'm paying you for the color of your skin and the texture of your hair, and those traits will be quite sufficient in giving Mother a few extra gray hairs and ulcers. The American (and West European) middle class really does consist of very nice people if you compare them with... well, anyone else.
"I can't abide your strategy of labeling your preferred non-European racial/ethnic groups as white enough while mocking anyone who would intermarry with Africans. Either you're for preserving a people and a heritage or not. "
Josh, Mr. "I love Asian girls", I believe she's speaking to YOU!
"Being an American (and that's a compliment), you don't appreciate just how open minded, fair and friendly Westerners are."
Maya, I'm sure that you are a beautiful and brilliant white woman, but I'm not sure that you understand me. To put it lightly, I DON'T CARE.
I've been around a little bit, this country, other countries, and no matter where I go, people respect me. This is what I try to tell black people all of the time; many of you would be well-advised to take the advice as well. If you do what YOU are supposed to do, other people will be fine with you, and even be led by you.
These articles you read, fairly often nowadays about a black person being elected mayor of such-and-such town in Poland, Ireland, or Russia are not by accident. I recently read an article about a a black, chick basketball player in Hungary who stayed there, and was elected to the parliment.
"To you it's normal to be judged by Mother claims she isn't racist because she doesn't fantasize about all the non whites dying slow and painful deaths."
Now correct me if I'm wrong, Maya, but your mother has probably never been impressed with any of your boyfriends, or, arguably, with her daughter in general, how'd I do?
Your mother being a negative person has nothing to do with me OR you. That's your mother.
Hey, if you really want to do the Thanksgiving thing, contact me through my blog, now THAT would be a fucking kick in the pants.
"With the SAT obviously no longer a good proxy for IQ (now that we have an expansive test prep industry), I'd be skeptical about very many studies claiming exact IQ numbers."
fcol. Of course you don't know everybody's IQ. That's the whole point--whether you know it or not, that's how it tends to turn out. Of course culture and environment has a role, but who's arguing that the different "cultures" of black & white overcome IQ differences.
There have, indeed, been enough studies. The IQ test has been around for nearly 100 years now. IQ is like race. Whether you believe in it or not, it prevails. Statistically over a large and long range.
Truth,
As a Westerner, you don't have to care about what goes on in the less civilized parts of the world. Your culture is more advanced than theirs.
I agree that in any Western culture (be it Canada, Australia or Ireland), you (as in any given person) will succeed according to
your efforts and merits.
It's true that the East is slowly coming 'round to a more progressive way of thinking, among the well educated wealthy. But those stories you read? They are the exceptions that don't reflect the true level of ethnocentricity in these countries. Btw, the treatment of rare isolated blacks in countries where blacks have absolutely no presence isn't a proper test of open mindness. A sole exotic curiosity (who, usually, either strives to be more native than the natives or consents to being "the entertainment", or both) doesn't inspire negative emotions. Why don't you ask the well educated, middle class Easterners how they feel about the minorities who do have a presence in their countries. The "black-assed monkeys" of my childhood were the various ethnic groups from the Caucus. Teachers didn't stand up for those kids when someone called them that. Yes, some Siberian village elected their only black refugee mayor. That was a heart-warming article. Too bad that every several weeks there is an article about some refugee or a foreign student of a dark skinned variety that gets beaten or killed in bright daylight, in plain view of hundreds of people. The general response tends to be, "Well, that was distasteful," as if someone smacked around a dog. Want to ask Bulgarians or Romanians how they feel about Gypsies?
I've lost count of how many students in Asia felt the need to proudly let me know that they are of pure blood, going back 6000 years. The half Korean half Japanese girl was having a hard time socializing. Even the teachers gossiped about her.
Visiting as a tourist or working for a short time with people who were specially designated to work with you isn't the same as living the day to day life for a prolonged period of time among the natives.
As for Thanksgiving, you are sincerely welcome to attend, and I'll be very happy to have you there, as will my family. But since it's very well known that I already do have a boyfriend and he isn't you, we wouldn't be able to troll Mother.
Yes, she isn't too pleased with me, but she has worshiped everyone I've ever dated. My grandmother, too, likes my dad a lot more than she does her own daughter, just as my great grandmother did before her. That's just the way things are where we come from. However, the prospect of me marrying a black man would disturb Mother greatly.
Here's how most immigrant parents think, in my experience. 1. The children should marry within the ethnic group. 2. Failing that, the children should marry people of a very close ethnic group. 3. Failing that, the children should marry a normal, regular member of the majority. 4. Worst case scenario- children marry members of unrelated ethic minority of low status in the host country. Now, most well-integrated immigrant children couldn't care less about whom their parents want them to marry, but that is how a great many adult foreigners think.
"The IQ test has been around for nearly 100 years now. IQ is like race. Whether you believe in it or not, it prevails. Statistically over a large and long range."
Persistent correlations aside, what does the IQ number reveal: not much. You haven't provided any references, well enough. But I also know you have no idea whether or not there are even more similarities in abilities between people who stay married or if it's simply enough that they are generally just as capable. To me the distinction is important. I'm not satisfied with the mystery that these things coincide though we can't say exactly why that is the case.
Maya, you seem like a nice person, and I'm glad you have yourself a nice Vato, but truly, at the end of the day, what you put out is what you receive. That's not only me, it's quantum physics. We really do control our environment. That does not mean that things can be testy along the way, and yes of course I am lucky to be an American, but so is every white person here. I've been to Norway, and to put it lightly, they ain't got shit.
I am from a part of Queens, NY called Laurelton, and in the late 1960s the first black person moved to the neighborhood. LITERALLY within 10 years EVERY withe family had moved out. Except one. One old Sicilian 5-syllable named family stayed in the hood and the youngest son, Johnny hung out with us. Of course we noticed he was white, but he was always there, so it made no difference.
The problem with this blog is that everyone is an incredible hand ringer, and a worry-wort on the level of a 60-year old in a ladie's sewing circle. Ghettos have white people, the Ukraine has black people, and China has Mexicans, how do they make it work? That's individual, we're social animals and make it work. And the strongest of us rise above just making it work.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/23/world/europe/23kiev.html?pagewanted=all
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