Bombing Link Rattles a ‘Welcoming’ City
By JESS BIDGOOD 1:55 PM ET
Residents of Cambridge, Mass., are having a hard time squaring the allegations against the suspects with the city’s diversity.
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In between sets at the gym last night, I brought up Joker in a Twitter exchange with an immigration lawyer who cited the example of an illegal immigrant who became a neurosurgeon as an argument for the the Gang of Eight bill. In response, she tweeted this.
The SWPLbot3000 drones of Cambridge processed their sensory inputs and RSS feeds from the Boston Marathon, then their CPUs seized up at the result...non-sequitur, non-sequitur!
"In response, she tweeted this."
She has a good point.
I mean how many immigrants are terrorists or mass killers?
How many Palestinian-Americans blew up stuff(despite US's support of Israel)?
How many Korean-Americans were involved with mass killing?
How many Latin-American immigrants have been involved in blowing up stuff?
How many Nigerian-Americans are Alqaeda?
It's hysteria to scream 'terrorist' or 'mass killer' in association with immigrants, just like Oberliners seeing KKK everywhere.
Yes, there are bad apples among all groups, but really, but are terrorist bombers or mass killers the main threat of immigration?
No, it's demographic displacement.
So, all this terrorist and mass killer alert in relation to immigrants sound so hysterical.
It's about white people wanting to keep America white. After all, even if not a single immigrant were a terrorist or mass killer, we would still oppose mass immigration but it means the decline of our power.
It would be amusing if the consequences weren't so tragic.
They haven't figured out yet that the diverse people they've imported are nowhere near as tolerant as they are. And by tolerant I mean not just of other foreigners, but of Americans in general.
Cambridge is suffering from a bad case of "battered wife" syndrome.
She has a good point.
I mean how many immigrants are terrorists or mass killers?She has no point...
She has no point. None of those people killed because they were White and hated non-Whites or were killing because of Christianity. Only McVeigh can be considered to be motivated by any real ideology or political movement.
The Tsarnev brothers and Muslim terrorists in generally kill explicitly because of Islam. That is their motivating force not an afterthought.
Folks love to bring up McVeigh but he himself said he wasn't much of a Christian.
I think that it will take a spectacular attack against the children of our elite by an illegal immigrant terrorist for people to wake up, unfortunately. Nothing else seems likely to work. The utter contempt our elite feel for regular Americans is simply mind- boggling. I really feel they do not want to know them.
A commenter on an earlier post wondered whether the new elite are uncomfortable with white Anglo servants. I think there is some truth there. The language barrier created a "zone of privacy", to a certain extent. I've had white non- English speaking servants in Europe, and white and non-white English speakers in the U.S., and the language barrier is nice.
One of the biggest problem with America's new elite is that it's new money.
Charlesz Martel said...
One of the biggest problem with America's new elite is that it's new money.
Cockney rhyming slang is pretty cool.
Some in Cambridge protested the refusal to allow Tamerlan Tsarnaev to be buried here, saying it did not reflect the city’s values.
“Generally, we try not to be discriminatory — we try to be more open,” said Sandy Blank, 73, a mathematics professor who has lived here for decades. “Cambridge is famous for that.”
Wow. Not only do we try not to be "discriminatory" when it comes to race, religion, sex, etc. but we also try not to be "discriminatory" against people who murder our friends in the street!
That's some excellent non-discriminatory stuff there!
Timothy McVeigh was an Odinist.
Cambridge was never any sort of multicultural wonderland. Cambridge was historically an Irish city, where they lived opposed to the Italians of north and east Boston. It's only in the last thirty or so years that it's become the mess that it is today.
And the NY Times wonders why nobody buys their paper anymore.
Regarding Dave's braindead DWL.
She doesnt have a point. All else being equal, all those other crimes would have happened whether we had immigration or not. Thus any crimes committed by immigrants are on top of that number and were thus 100% preventable.
And thats only focusing on these high profile terrorist things, when you get down to the mundane rape, murder, DUI stats the immigrant contribution really starts to mount up.
“I think that Cambridge is like a paradise of some kind,” Mr. Binstock said. “The fact that you can say about Dzhokhar, for instance, is that he was probably more welcomed and more easily incorporated into the environment at C.R.L.S. than he would have been at almost every other high school in the country"
Uhm... no. In fact CRLS is probably one of the worst. I went to a High School that was 99% native born -- but the foreign born ones were as welcomed and incorporated as anyone else. Why? They integrated because they had to. That's the melting pot. They were occasionally teased about their traditions or accents, but they were never thought of as anything other than friends, classmates, equals. They became locals and they became Americans.
She has a good point.
I mean how many immigrants are terrorists or mass killers?
While this is true, it only takes a small percentage (a percentage that is still substantially larger than the percentage of the host population) to ruin your day, to generate enough crime to make an area unpoliceable by conventional size police forces, to make the fourth amendment an anachronistic boondoggle, and to cause the local non-criminally inclined to flee (white flight). The latter is not because of any innate beta/alpha concerns, but simply because our elites have taken off the table the possibility of locals forming their own militias and responding with organized violence.
Our society can handle the occasional McVeigh, Loughner, Holmes or Lanza. They are tragedies, sure, and should be prevented if possible. This is not a particularly new phenomenon, mass murders have been happening for a long time but very infrequently. What we cannot handle is influxes of peoples with violent, dangerous and criminal fractions on the order of Chechnya, Central and South America, and Sub-Saharan Africa.
Every country ends up looking like a composite of the peoples that will make up its members. The average behavior will look like an average of the behaviors of all the peoples that inhabit it, but the individual peoples will retain their own traits.
There are multiple fallacies perpretrated by the PC orthodoxy, but one of the most devastatingly wrong is this: that you can add as many or as few members from a country that you yourself would not want to inhabit, and that your own country won't be tangibly and negatively affected.
I'm not sure what to label this fallacy. Maybe the soup and water fallacy, or the paint thinner fallacy, or the peeing in the pool fallacy, or the sausage and sawdust fallacy. You see this phenomenon wherever you try and stretch out a valuable commodity by adding worthless filler to it. But this is not the situation exactly, because in these situations you are adding something bland to something attractive.
However, what I am trying to fit an analogy to is where someone is attempting to add something horribly unpalatable to something nice, or at worst bland. Kind of like a kid throwing a turd in an industrial vat of chocolate. If mixed very, very well, after the first turd is thrown in you might, might not taste it in the chocolate if no one told you. But certainly, it wouldn't take more than a few turds for it to be noticeable.
And just as certainly, if not mixed well and you took a big bite of the turd-infused chocolate, it would not go down well. You would surely refuse such chocolate, and if forced to eat more, no doubt you would go to great lengths to inspect the remaining chocolate, sniffing it, prodding it, measuring it before eating any more.
If you weren't allowed to say anything bad about the chocolate, e.g. if others who had never eaten such chocolate accused you of being "turdist", no doubt you would still go to the same lengths to ensure your chocolate was as pure as possible. If your job or social acceptance was on the line you might talk about how critical it is that the chocolate have the right density, or the appropriate sugar content, or fat content, when all you are really concerned about is that your chocolate doesn't have any turds in it.
So yes, I'm going to call this the "Turds in Chocolate Fallacy". The left would have us believes that it can insert as many turds as it wants into a vat of chocolate and that it'll all just assimilate nicely into the most wondrously, vibrantly diverse chocolate you've ever tasted.
"Dave Pinsen said ....
In between sets at the gym last night, I brought up Joker in a Twitter exchange with an immigration lawyer who cited the example of an illegal immigrant who became a neurosurgeon as an argument for the the Gang of Eight bill. In response, she tweeted this."
She makes an excellent argument. We have crazies and criminals and murderous fanatics already, who are we to pass judgement? Let any and all in and let their bombings commence.
The Diversity! The Diversity!
"Dave Pinsen said...
In between sets at the gym last night, I brought up Joker in a Twitter exchange with an immigration lawyer who cited the example of an illegal immigrant who became a neurosurgeon as an argument for the the Gang of Eight bill. In response, she tweeted this."
That's a common line from a lot of people. My answer to that is: Yes, we already have plenty of psychopaths, murderers, rapists, and drunk-drivers. Why should we want to import more?
They probably thought they'd get extra credit in their social studies classes if they made a protest.
Woopsie Cambridge! It's all fun an games until a professor might get hurt.
I think that Cambridge is like a paradise of some kind,” Mr. Binstock said. “The fact that you can say about Dzhokhar, for instance, is that he was probably more welcomed and more easily incorporated into the environment at C.R.L.S. than he would have been at almost every other high school in the country"
And still he turned bad! Why its almost as if evil white racists dont cause the diversity to go rogue.
She has a good point.
I mean how many immigrants are terrorists or mass killers?
A vastly disproportionately high number. Steve says there are only 200 Chechens in the country, so the bomber brothers are a full 1% of that population. Your moronic acquaintance would have to name three million American mass killers -- instead of a pitiful six -- to give her argument any punch.
How many Palestinian-Americans blew up stuff(despite US's support of Israel)?
If people count as "stuff", the number seems to be disproportionately high. Sirhan Sirhan, Nidal Hasan -- that's pretty good for a small population.
How many Korean-Americans were involved with mass killing?
A disproprtionately high number. VPI, some school in California, etc.
How many Latin-American immigrants have been involved in blowing up stuff?
Don't know, but every time someone is killed by a wrong-way driver, the murderer is always a drunken Mexican.
How many Nigerian-Americans are Alqaeda?
Al Qaeda? Let's talk after your friend provides some evidence that Al Qaeda aactully exists.
If you are used to thinking in terms of probability distributions, it's really obvious that the Chechen bell curve is shifted in the direction of Checheniness. Ergo, when I went to look up the political boss of Chechnya, he turned out to be hilariously Checheny. And now the FBI is in this weird situation where they are saying a third Chechen immigrant, yet another MMA fighter, tried to kill an FBI agent with his bare hands.
If you are used to thinking in terms of probability distributions, it's really obvious that the Chechen bell curve is shifted in the direction of Checheniness.
It seems that one of the problems we have is in convincing statistically innumerate people that the importation of third worlders is not a good idea. And yet, the same sort of person as the immigration lawyer cited by Pinsen would almost surely refuse to eat rice or breakfast cerial with a few solitary weavils or maggots in it. Most certainly they would not buy the same brand again.
So practically speaking, most people are statistically numerate. They will not buy brands with poor quality control after only one or two bad experiences. Even when it comes to race, they will not send their kids to a "bad" school and they will not walk down MLK Blvd after dark. And yet the doublethink kicks in when they discuss ethnicity and immigration policy.
Of course, in this case the original tweeter was an immigration lawyer. You will have similar results from discussing such issues with Californian farmers, diversity coordinators, professional ethnic activists and professors, and third world immigrants themselves. It's called vested interest.
Perhaps this latter point is the best one to use in this case. e.g. "Of course, you would say that. If there were no immigrants you would be out of work." I also note that the economist commentator here with the possible relative immigration lawyer with the same first and last name quit commenting immediately after I pointed that there were two Jacob Gellers in Boston, one the economist grad student and the other an immigration lawyer.
Riffing on the point I just made - would you trust a tobacco executive to lecture us on the lack of downsides of cigarettes? Then why would we trust an immigration lawyer about the downsides of immigration?
when you get down to the mundane rape, murder, DUI stats the immigrant contribution really starts to mount up.
As my wealthy left-wing brother told me, here in France: Immigrants don't commit more crimes than natives. If they do, there must be reasons for that.
In other words: It can't be the immigrants' fault.
I don't talk about immigration with him anymore.
Incidentally, he works in Paris but he lives in a small exurban town which is almost 100% white, coz houses are expensive and you need two cars if you live there.
I live in a 'diverse' neighborhood, from which I can get easily to downtown Paris by public transit. I could do without a car. But I know that some day I'll have to find housing elsewhere, when my neighborhood begins to look too much like Detroit or Benghazi.
Dave P -
It's gonna be difficult to talk about this at iSteve - I'll try to post something which won't get censored by Komment Kontrol - but it would be a lot easier to talk about this over at Heartiste.
Anyway:
1) The Bad News - her heart has been utterly corrupted by the Frankfurt School. Pulling her back from the edge of the abyss is going to take years, maybe decades.
2) The Good News - she's hawt, and she kinda likes you [otherwise she wouldn't have even bothered to txt you].
3) The Bad News Again - you're in perilous danger of losing her if you don't reframe immediately.
My advice - go HARD PRIMITIVE.
Nothing soft, clever, or legalistic - she deals with that shiznat all day in court.
You gotta go visceral - hit her in the gut.
Something like the following:
"Somebody's got a thang for the white boyz - LOL'ed. I guess you conveniently omitted Cho at VaTech because, from the point of view of a Chinawoman like yourself, all them Koreans are subhuman? That's okay, I'll still respect you in the morning."
There's a whole lot more that I'd like to say, but I'm already stretching the limits of what might make it past Komment Kontrol.
PS: Note that Wikipedia redirects her last name to a different spelling.
PPS: You can also use as an example the Korean hitman who just beat the rap for murdering a white Maxim model.
PPPS: Good luck. Stiff upper lip. HARD PRIMITIVE VISCERAL. Don't back down.
Never back down.
The moment you waiver, she'll move on, in search of a guy who doesn't waiver.
The gist I'm getting here is that Cambridge wants us to know that they're very politically-correct, and the problem certainly isn't at their end.
“Other communities don’t have to deal with the idea that lots of communities of different people have to coexist.”
Haha. SWPLs' burden.
“Cambridge is very welcoming, and it’s very diverse. Maybe the acceptance to that blinds us to the fact that there may be more difficulty than people realize.”
But just because the problem isn't at their end, doesn't mean it's at the immigrants' end, either, of course. Everyone should probably try that much harder.
“Those of us who are immigrants — they are probably the most betrayed,” said Mr. Gebru, a native Ethiopian who moved to Cambridge from Sudan when he was 3. “This country has provided me everything, and it has provided you everything. How dare you turn your back? That’s what really angered me, more than everything.”
Sociopath says, "I'm definitely the victim here, mmm kay?"
“They wanted to understand how this could have happened, and I tried to remind people, as great as things may be here, we’re not immune to terrorism,” Mr. Gebru said. “It’s a worldwide thing.”
Do I even have to say it? Chum in the water.
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