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With House Speaker Boehner finally promising not to get involved in a House-Senate immigration bill reconciliation conference (where Senator Schumer would undoubtedly take him to the cleaners), it's starting to look as if Americans in 2013 may have won yet another political victory over the bipartisan amnesty Establishment, just as we did in 2001, 2004, 2006, and 2007.
If this pans out, I should be feeling good about it, after all those years fiddling with spreadsheets that showed the conventional wisdom wasn't quite the slam dunk everybody assumed it was. But, mostly, I'm feeling tired right now by the knowledge that nobody will learn anything and we'll have to fight again.
As a commenter pointed out, Congress's lame duck session after the 2014 election is a particular danger point, since it's the maximum time possible from the next election.
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Thanks Steve for all that you do. I don't always motivate myself enough to send you some USD, but I really have to do it this time.
I don't consider this any sort of victory. The only reason this isn't happened is because Boehner is so politically weak that he can't risk an open revolt within the caucus. He is in no way our friend and neither is Eric Cantor or Kevin McCarthy.
The GOP, meanwhile, seems like it's doing everything it can to botch it's chances in 2014. They really have no clue at all what they're doing.
I think amnesty is dead. This bill had its shot in 2000 when the economy, stock market and national mood peaked. Since then its gotten harder and harder and every attempt is less powerful than the one before it. Europe and Australia are already pushing far to the right and the U.S. is likely to follow.
2015 is a lame duck year, but Obama will be uber-lame by then and the Democrats may lose the Senate. The risk is from the GOP. I have no doubt that GOP moderates will feel pressure to do something in order to win Hispanic votes in 2016. So by all means, keep up the fight. But I think now is the time to start talking more about self-deportation, reduced visas, tighter border security. Start pushing the debate in the other direction. IF you look at the infighting from Democrats, a failure on immigration might mean Latino voters stay home in 2016.
This reminds me of SOPA and all the other abusive copyright laws. They'll keep bringing amnesty up, whole or in parts, until it passes. Boehner himself said he'd rather see a piecemeal approach, which I take to mean they'll sneak all the provisions they want into unrelated bills.
Every year it becomes more obvious that the anti-whites are implacable. They want mass non-white immigration and forced assimilation in America as in every white country.
They push for that whether economic indicators are good or bad, and regardless of what else is going on. They are not driven by such passing considerations. Their motivation is as permanent as race itself.
This should at least reassure you that this is a wholly necessary conflict.
It would be wearying to have to do this over and over if it was really just a misunderstanding between friends. But it isn't.
Yes, Congress can remain morally bankrupt longer than the country can remain solvent.
Why do anti-immigration groups never promote their own "immigration reform"? In most countries "immigration reform" would imply less immigration, not more!
Eg:
1. Return to 1924 immigration rules.
2. Border enforcement, with a proper guarded fence across the whole southern border
3. Expel illegals, with federal authorities cooperating with the States.
4. End to crazy birthright citizenship
etc
You probably also need judicial reform since your judges have a tendency to legislate from the bench.
If no one advocates this stuff, it won't happen. Furthermore, even if reform attempts like the above were unsuccessful they would shift the debate in a desirable direction, more in line with the rest of the world. Otherwise you'll always be fighting a rearguard action.
I know what you're thinking, punk. You're thinking "did he fire six shots or only five?" Now to tell you the truth I forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and will blow you head clean off, you've gotta ask yourself a question: "Do I feel lucky?" Well, do ya, punk?
I was talking with me rep the other day (Gerlach, R-(PA)) about some other things and asked about immigration in passing.
He said he anticipating the GOP attempting to pass things piecemeal in 2013, starting with a border security bill to soften everyone up.
"This year, we were unlucky, but remember we only have
to be lucky once. You Americans will have to be lucky always."
That was a fitting caption for those two enemies of America, Schumer and McCain.
And what's with that silly sport-coat-and-open-necked-dress-shirt look that so many old politicians go for. To be honest, it looks really stupid on old white guys. They would be less ridiculous looking if they were wearing bermuda shorts and cabana shirts.
But, then again, there is nothing that is not ridiculous about that empty-headed old lump, McCain.
We always have a Pyrrhic victory. The system is weak to punished companies that hire them. They will stay here unless they lose jobs and robotics are slowly coming in cleaning jobs and kiosks to fast food to get enough to go home. When amnesty didn't passed last time it took 3 years for them to leave. i'm tired of the Pyrrhic victory. I want to see a development which will send about a million to 2 million home.
It's a shame that John McCain continued his unfortunate habit of being shot down while on mission. Though Arizona's white conservatives should take heart in the knowledge that in only three short years they will march to the polls in military formation to re-elect him.
Otherwise, there'll be no one to build that danged fence. You got me Mav?
Mainly the Dems don't want as many guest worker programs because of the unions while the Republicans want more guest worker programs. The Dems cut the H1b vistas to 65,000 and the Republicans like Cruz want to up that to 320,000 but Cruz who got elected by the Tea Party like the rest of the Republicans is less interested in legalizing mainly Hispanics with some Asians and a few white groups like the Irish. There are 50,000 illegal Irish here. The Unions interest in the legalization Process and the Big Businesses interest don't see completely eye to eye that why it falls apart usually.
We don't really win until a better Id system is developed to catch illegals and fine the companies that knowing hire them. We don't win until robots are use more for cleaning in houses or day labors are not use because even household items makes people less likely to turn to day labors. Also, the handicapped low skilled in our country should get preference over illegal immigrants for maids and janitor jobs or working as fast food.
How the Hell does Boehner keep getting reelected to Speaker anyway? Does the whole House get to vote or only the majority party? Might as well have a dem in there. At least then we would expect him to be unAmerican.
And even worse than having to fight again, there won't be anything at all done to solve the problem we already have. At this point we need draconian measures. Among them we need:
An end to affirmative action.
An end to ALL immigration.
Moratorium on new citizenships.
Deportation of ALL illegals.
Troops on the border.
Revoke birth citizenships.
Etc.
All of this, and more, needs to be done, but the current gang of cowards and traitors will never even admit the problem; that might imply a solution.
Frankly I think the pro immigration push was just a juice bill.
A hot button emotional social issue meant to liberate Mr. Zuckerberg from his money with no actual plan for immigration reform to ever become law.
At this point it is shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. The demographic tsunami is in place it may just take a generation longer than some would like to obliterate the white middle & working class.
Facebook and Microsoft help fund rightwing lobby network, report finds
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/14/facebook-microsoft-rightwing-lobby-network-spn
Its not just stoppring amensty but to get Mexicans and Central Americans and Asians to leave. And know one wants to deal with the job magnet. A few illegals that are dreamers are self-employed but the trick is to get the least skilled out by getting rid of the job magnet.
I watched the Yellen hearing this morning. Schumer spent his time talking about the increasing wealth gap and the stagnant incomes of the middle and lower classes. He asked Yellen what the Fed could do about this problem.
Schumer, a typical statist, is exacerbating the problem by supporting mass 3rd world immigration while looking for a magical solution by playing games with fiscal policy.
He sounded genuine enough that I might believe he is dumb instead of evil.
As long as there's no will to make the lives of illegals more difficult, or simply to apprehend and deport when the opportunity arises, it's only a matter of time.
Undocumented welfare dependents == Illegal Immigrants
Single Payer Health Care == Government Controlled Health Care.
The bullet is already in. It just hasn't exploded yet.
Nobody really wants a nation. Not enough to punish McCain and Schumer. To get deportations and expulsions.
So we won't have one. Old White guy? Even people here view White guy as an insult. No one really wants a White majority middle class nation.
Non Whites have an advantage. Their men are not beta males. White middle class society requires beta males and the West would rather be a helish Third World.
I look at those two old men in the picture and just shake my head. They are in the twilight of their lives. Why would they want to make their grandchildren into minorities? What kind of a legacy is that to leave behind?
To WHISKEY at 1:57 pm;
I try hard to refrain from name calling, but you sir are a total moron and/or a Jewish troll/shill.
GOP is so concerned with being PC, that they couldn't care about anything of substance anymore.
Let's just face facts here:
The GOP doesn't care about the white, working, tax-paying, middle class in this country anymore than the Democratic party does. I hope the rising tide of Socialism in this country sweeps all these traitors out of office.
I spit on their political graves.
http://www.cracked.com/article_20705_5-ways-u.s.-democracy-more-rigged-than-you-think.html/
"He sounded genuine enough that I might believe he is dumb instead of evil."
That's why he's a lawyer summa cum laude. The guy's a shrewd and smooth political operative in the likes of say, a Machiavelli.
He's not dumb; foolish-yes, but dumb, no way.
These guys are shrewd operators and rest assured that they're hatching schemes that'll be cursing our progeny for decades to come.
World War T Japan style.
Nice Peace.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/8-brilliant-pieces-comedy-hiding-youtube-part-5/?wa_user1=2&wa_user2=Weird+World&wa_user3=blog&wa_user4=feature_module
Simon in London: you nailed it. The fight needs to shift from defense to offense, else the initiative remains in possession of pro-Imminvasion traitors.
Not so fast:
"U.S. business leader remains confident Boehner will seek immigration reform"
http://news.yahoo.com/u-business-leader-remains-confident-boehner-seek-immigration-201821842.html
"The head of the biggest U.S. business group, a traditional ally of Republicans, said on Thursday that he remains confident that the top Republican in Congress will push to enact comprehensive immigration reform.
U.S. Chamber of Commerce President Thomas Donohue said he is not worried about House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner's refusal to negotiate with the Senate on its sweeping bipartisan bill.
Donohue said he supports Boehner's decision to instead take a step-by-step approach with smaller measures to fix the nation's broken immigration system.
"I believe it will get done," Donohue said at a news conference attended by business, religious and law enforcement leaders, all of whom echoed his determination and optimism.
A landmark bill to bolster border security, help business get needed workers and provide an earned pathway to U.S. citizenship for up to 11 million undocumented immigrants won Senate approval in June.
But thus far, the House has passed only a handful of limited bills, most dealing with enforcement and none providing a pathway to U.S. citizenship.
Donohue promised to help Boehner get the votes to pass a series of bills to provide comprehensive reform, including a pathway to citizenship.
He said such legislation would be good for business, labor and the country, and that he expects final congressional approval in the first half of next year.
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"We're not going away," said Donohue, whose business group, along with organized labor, helped craft the Senate bill. "We're just getting warmed up."
Boehner drew fire on Wednesday when he said that the House will not negotiate with the Senate to resolve differences between the Senate bill and what the House ends up passing.
"We have made it clear that we are going to move on a common sense, step-by-step approach," the speaker said in repeating his opposition to the Senate legislation.
"We have no intention of ever going to conference on the Senate bill," he said.
Some read Boehner's comments to mean that he was walking away from comprehensive reform.
Donohue, whose Chamber of Commerce represents more than 3 million businesses, said he didn't see it that way.
"I'm not upset with Boehner," Donohue said, adding that he believes Congress will end up doing what needs to be done to overhaul the U.S. immigration system.
"We will get there," he said. "It doesn't matter to me what music they play for the dance.""
I'm glad we won this one, for now. Among other things, the golden boy Marco Rubio has shown himself to be, well, not exactly a "star performer".
And yet...might it have been a blessing in disguise if amnesty had passed?
Sure, it would have been a policy disaster. But the status quo is simply a slower-motion policy disaster. And passage of the Schumer-Rubio outrage might have catalyzed a reassessment of the National Question. The spectacle of the Confederacy of Whores crowing about their accomplishment might have been quite edifying for what's left of America.
Maybe it would have served to drive the Tea Party away from the corporate wing and into unapologetic nationalism.
I feel like the American nation is the proverbial frog being slowly boiled alive. A clear defeat might have served to crystallize our predicament and clarify the stakes. We might have had the presence of mind to jump out of the pot. As it is, our "victory" induces our further complacence as the heat is gradually turned up.
It seems clear to me that the Republican Party must be reformed or replaced. Failing that, as much of the nation as possible must assume independent sovereign powers.
Either way, if the nation is to save itself, it must act soon. We have bought ourselves a bit of time, but it won't matter if we never go on the offense.
Steve, would you still be a Citizenist if amnesty had passed?
Seriously, if 11 million (or more) people who broke our laws had been put on a "path to citizenship", and if 30 million foreigners poured into the country legally, would you then consider their welfare to be just as deserving of your civic loyalties as that of incumbent citizens?
It seems to me that Citizenism is a good legal framework for evaluating policy within a nation, but it implicitly presumes the existence of a nation.
At some point, surely national dissolution reaches a point at which Citizenism becomes a masochistic doctrine.
http://n.pr/1hJvq93
Dogs domesticated in Europe first? This makes sense.
Asia doesn't seem right. Dogs were likely first masticated there.
http://n.pr/1brnwZc
Evolution never stops.
Why do anti-immigration groups never promote their own "immigration reform"?
Aside from the fact that all the big money is on the other side, I think there's a basic ideological impediment to immigration restrictionism among the establishment right.
The people who run the political right here are just as doctrinaire about the Proposition Nation as the liberals. In fact, they accept the bounds of public discourse as determined by Cultural Marxists.
The GOP establishment is simply not conservative with respect to the National Question.
The inability to go on the offense is a symptom of the problem. The problem is an inability or unwillingness to rebel against Cultural Marxism.
The GOP doesn't care about the white, working, tax-paying, middle class in this country anymore than the Democratic party does.
The GOP doesn't care about us. The Democratic Party hates us.
Which is worse? I go back and forth on that one. Sometimes a known enemy seems better; at least you know where he stands.
If this pans out, I should be feeling good about it
St. Sailer, you are, as always, too humble. Why shouldn't you take credit for the self-evident behavior of a few hundred prominent men 2,500 miles away awaiting your further guidance? We all know dark matter doesn't take a holiday.
Look at it as a chance to redouble your efforts to prepare for Yugoslavia style ethnic strife.
The bastards are going to keep trying until they get what they want, then they will on the first helicopter out.
The inability to go on the offense is a symptom of the problem. The problem is an inability or unwillingness to rebel against Cultural Marxism.
It has little to do with cultural Marxism but much to do with making a buck, do you think Cato is that big on Cultural Marxism?
"Anonymous said...
"He (Donohue) said such legislation would be good for business, labor and the country, and that he expects final congressional approval in the first half of next year."
And, after all, if you can't trust the President of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to look out for the interests of labor, who can you trust?
Thanks for posting the article about Donohue. His comments prove that this issue has not "gone away", not even temporarily. Piecemeal may well be the way they try it. McCain was quoted as saying that they'll start pushing it again after the primaries, the bastard.
"The GOP doesn't care about the white, working, tax-paying, middle class in this country anymore than the Democratic party does."
The big question is how much does the Democratic Party care about blacks, browns, white working class, and etc.
Democrats seem to be essentially a haute globalist urban Jewish-homo party with Liberal wasps and yellers barking along. But how much can the Democrats really promise the 'coloreds'?
If Dem elites cannot do much for the rising coloreds, they can at least provide the coloreds with the enemy... and that be white cons. I guess THE ENEMY is therapeutic.
It's like there was a time when European elites provided the elites with THE JEW as the enemy. So, even though the elite aristocrats didn't do much for the people, they at least provided the unwashed with a target to vent their rage on. It had therapeutic value at least.
Ironically, white cons serve the same purpose to Jewish elites who wanna keep the coloreds in line.
If
effective money supply = nominal money supply x velocity of money
and if
different types of spending have different velocities
and in particular if
the velocity of discretionary spending > velocity of spending on necessities
(as a side-effect of one having a many-to-many relationship and one having a many-to-few relationship)
then the basis of banksta economics (aka trickle-down economics) and the idea of mass immigration as an economic benefit is *provably* wrong.
It would also show that the current banking system is the cause of the boom-bust cycle.
"They really have no clue at all what they're doing."
They know exactly what they're doing - or at least trying to.
If you increase GDP while keeping wages stagnant - which is what happens with mass immigration - then all that extra GDP goes to the employers.
They're not stupid. They're betraying you for money.
Orthodox
"Start pushing the debate in the other direction."
Agree. They needed to finish us during the credit bubble when the massive damage they were causing was still hidden.
Why do anti-immigration groups never promote their own "immigration reform"? In most countries "immigration reform" would imply less immigration, not more!
I said the same thing recently about "immigration reform." "Conservatives" and Republicans kept saying we need "immigration reform." I got tired of it and finally said "no, we need Immigration Repeal."
Non Whites have an advantage. Their men are not beta males. White middle class society requires beta males and the West would rather be a helish Third World.
Right. Japanese = non-whites, and Japanese men are obviously all alphas. Which explains, er, their total lack of immigration?
Germany had all its alpha males killed off in WWII, so it makes perfect sense that, er, they have far less immigration and a far more homogeneous population than we do?
It's the media and the elite, stupid.
I try hard to refrain from name calling, but you sir are a total moron and/or a Jewish troll/shill.
He shills for the elite, and yes, it's because he has a passionate attachment to the tribe. He's thrown everyone - EVERYONE - else under the bus at one time or another.
And yet...might it have been a blessing in disguise if amnesty had passed?
Sure, it would have been a policy disaster. But the status quo is simply a slower-motion policy disaster. And passage of the Schumer-Rubio outrage might have catalyzed a reassessment of the National Question. The spectacle of the Confederacy of Whores crowing about their accomplishment might have been quite edifying for what's left of America.
No. America is so thoroughly liberalized and propagandized and socially-engineered that it's going to take a long time for the new communication and information technologies to seep into the structure and rot it out. We need to give the process time to work.
Or, put another way:
Look at it as a chance to redouble your efforts to prepare for Yugoslavia style ethnic strife.
Amnesty might eventually be Nafta-ed.
Even Democratic resistance couldn't defeat it. All Republicans and some Democrats made all the difference.
This is like the Siege of Constantinople. Eventually, walls will be breached, not least cuz we have fifth columnists on the inside running things.
Did I post this before? The Saudis gave illegal immigrants a year to get out before they came looking for them.
A million people left, mostly from the Indian subcontinent. They didn't fancy a Saudi jail and I don't blame them.
"Saudis have begun complaining of surging labour costs following the exodus of a million foreign workers"
>Maybe it would have served to drive the Tea Party away from the corporate wing and into unapologetic nationalism.<
Only retiring, resigning, or being fired can drive from the corporate world people on a corporate payroll.
Ah, but we haven't gotten to the true fun yet- which of those two is the Master and which is the Apprentice? There are always two. I'm guessing McCain is Schummer's bitch, despite the fact that McCain has broader recognition nationally from his presidential run. They probably planned it that way, leaving Senator Palpatine to quietly work on controlling the Senate to award him the post of Supreme Chancellor of Electing a New People to serve himself.
The best part about the failed amnesty initiative is that it will help to kill the reelection chances of several Senate Democrats (Landrieu, Begich, Pryor, Hagan, possibly even Franken and Udall) and may also help pro-amnesty Republican incumbents (like Graham) lose their primaries. Oh, and it pretty much killed any shot Marco Rubio had of becoming president.
It's not enough to defeat amnesty - we have to start passing enforcement measures. But the amnesty effort helps remind us who our enemies are.
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