The New York Times has a long investigative report into the unenthusiastic year-long police inquiry into the allegation against 2013 Heisman Trophy winning Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston that he raped a 19 year old coed in 2012:
A Star Player Accused, and a Flawed Rape Investigation
By WALT BOGDANICH
No charges were ever filed against the leader of the 2013 national champion Seminoles. As Tom Wolfe pointed out in A Man in Full in 1997, when a white coed charges a black Heisman Trophy candidate with rape, the local power structure, white and black, mobilizes to make the case disappear.
It's interesting to compare coverage of this case to coverage of another Florida case, the Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman story, which was always framed in racial terms of black and white (even though Zimmerman turned out to look kind of like the son President Obama never had). Similarly, the NYT's pet obsession, the Duke lacrosse rape hoax, was always depicted as racial.
In contrast, the words "black" and "white" don't appear in this article even though Winston is black. The word "blond" does appear once in the article, although anybody can dye their hair any color these days. Hunting around on the Internet, it took me a while to find anything definitive on the race of the coed. I finally came up with this bit in a CBS News article:
After being interviewed on Nov. 13, 2013, Ronald Darby signed an affidavit stating that while at Potbelly’s on December 6, “I watched Jameis talking with a white female that had blonde hair. It appeared that the female was pursuing Jameis."
Personally, I think the Jameis Winston case says an awful lot about race in the modern South, just as Wolfe did with his (quasi-)fictional version a couple of decades ago, but nobody else seems to think that angle is of the slightest interest.
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FSU has release a statement in response to this article. If the issues raised by FSU regarding its correspondence with the NYT are true then I have a grave issue with what I precieved to be the "Grand Dame" of printed journalism in this country resorting to 2nd rate journalistic tactics. FSU statement can be read in full http://fsunytimes.fsu.edu
I am the first to stand against sexual violence but in this case the accuser herself refused to provide information about the accused for some time and when she did she contradicted herself and other witnesses and was found to have lied about having been drugged, among other things. This, more than anything, delayed the investigation. Whether some protocols were not followed, I do not know though.
There was no rape. The girl did not say no. She wanted it. Mr. Winston tagged one. Good for him. Let's not make this more than it is.
Just look around you: white girls are obsessed with Black Men.
Generally speaking, fat, and/or ugly, and/or psychologically damaged white girls, it should be noted (hence the lower case).
"I think this incident angers white conservatives so much because it makes them realize what great lengths white girls will go to just to have taste of Black Male love.
"Just look around you: white girls are obsessed with Black Men."
I have looked around, but all I *do* see regarding black/white dating and mating is what the country calls "white trailer trash" and black males who have dread locks and who have to hold their crotch to keep their pants up.
Well, the thing I found odd is that a 2nd woman came forward with a similar tale of rough-grey area sex with Winston. The Florida cops come off looking poorly. People forget that a BCS appearance is worth over $10mil to a school. Of course, these colleges will be corrupt. They need to chase money at every turn, principles, standards and honor be damned.
My guess is we will hear about him being charged with rape when he's 30 or so unless he pays a hefty price to that future victim.
http://thebiglead.com/2014/04/16/jameis-winston-second-woman-sought-counseling-after-sexual-encounter-according-to-new-york-times/
Weighing on from Florida - a good friend of mine played football for FSU and now is a fairly successful Florida attorney - not Miami cheesy stuff but the old south part of Florida - the cattle counties where a lawyer in a courthouse is addressed as "counslaah".
My friend has very good contacts in the Tallahassee PD as well as Leon County (where Tallahassee is located).
What he got out of the DA's office is that the "victim" dated a black guy who attends Florida A&M (historically black college, also in Tallahassee). She pursued Winston. Apparently the "in" thing (Truth - weigh in here) with our African American young people is the double-up. So while Winston was enjoying her affections, his roommate Casher did more than "take the video", he decided to join in. I'm not sure of the gymnastics of it all, but apparently she didn't find it the least bit funny and freaked out.
She wasn't a credible witness at all, changed her story multiple names, and was alternately cooperative and uncooperative with police. It may seem some of the step-by-step recounted by NYT seems fishy, but the prosecutor dropped the case for a very simple reason - he was confident he couldn't win a conviction.
50+ years ago the NYT was whining about blacks being railroaded in the South. Now a white prosecutor in the South declines to prosecute a black guy for raping a white woman and the NYT still finds something to whine about.
I read that interracial couplings was increasing among all groups. So is it still only trailer trash types or are more middle class people in IR relationships? You see so much of it in the media so I thought that would be an influence on younger generations.
Yes, this sounds like a false accusation or something. But neither was the case against Zimmerman very strong. So there's still a marked difference.
The ruling classes are looking to include or exclude anything to play into the Narrative.
With the sheer numbers of women star college quarterbacks attract it's probably not too surprising there would be some accusations, true or not. Joe Namath reportedly had over 300 sexual partners at Alabama.
http://larrybrownsports.com/football/joe-namath-300-sexual-partners-alabama/202887
Speaking of crimes committed in terms of race, I don't suppose the NYT would be interested in a recent homicide case in Indianapolis.
A 16yr old is being tried as an adult for the charge of murdering a 24yr old white dude who was out for a walk around 6 in the morning. The victims name is Nathan Trappuzzano.
The 16yr old., Simieon Adams, was on parole for a previous attempted murder charge. What seems to make this case of interest is of his expression while being escorted to the arraignment. Adams is constantly laughing and smiling while in handcuffs. (Google images doesn't always do this justice but there you are). Adams probably does have some things on his mind so perhaps a few smiles to lighten up the monotony was in order; who knows for certain and thus who can say?
I haven't viewed the NYT lately, but I'm quite sure that they are all on this one and giving it the full maximum exposure as possible; after all, justice does need to be served.
I mean, if the NYT wants to alert its readers to potential crimes of a racial nature, I'm sure in the interests of equality that they will immediately rush to cover this case in the same way that they have covered the Zimmerman case.
Funny thing, is that this Adams appears to resemble a younger version of Trayvon Martin.
http://thebiglead.com/2014/04/16/jameis-winston-second-woman-sought-counseling-after-sexual-encounter-according-to-new-york-times/
Surely it's worth it to have him at large teaching them the truth?
""""50+ years ago the NYT was whining about blacks being railroaded in the South. Now a white prosecutor in the South declines to prosecute a black guy for raping a white woman and the NYT still finds something to whine about.""""
Be careful about the way you phrase your words. I know you probably didn't intend to, but it almost sounds as if you're condoning what allegedly may have occurred as in: She wanted it and whatever happened is the sluts fault anyway.
That's generally the good ol' boy network type of thinking.
However, if you want to read about a less grey area crime that has officially charged a perp, I suggest that you google Nathan Trappuzzano (sp.) and see if that would rise to the level of an actual crime being committed.
I'm probably the leading "racist" on this board, but if, as we all seem to agree, the cops in Sanford did their job well in not charging Zimmerman, how does Steve conclude they did it poorly in the case of Winston?
White man raping black woman is man bites dog - of course it is news. As for the race angle in this case - OF COURSE it cannot be mentioned. But they obviously aren't fooling anyone. Anyone who is smart enough to read the NYT knows Winston's race and the race of the victim can be inferred from the "blond" remark. But coming out and saying it would violate the unwritten rules - the same rule that requires all doctors in pharm. commercials to be black and all muggers/rapists on TV crime shows to be white (ironically this must backfire on black actors who could otherwise make good money portraying criminals on CSI).
"I read that interracial couplings was increasing among all groups. So is it still only trailer trash types or are more middle class people in IR relationships? You see so much of it in the media so I thought that would be an influence on younger generations." - is the middle class expanding or shrinking? is the lower class expanding or shrinking?
>>Alonzo with his set portfolio observed:
""""how does Steve conclude they did it poorly in the case of Winston?"""
Dont miss the big picture. That's not exactly what Steve intended to show. His main point, presumably of course, is that the NYT coverage of 2 DIFFERENT CRIMES but BOTH OF THEM WITH RACIAL IMPLICATIONS.
BOTH were found innocent in court of law, albeit, Zimmerman wasn't initially charged with anything and Winston was actually charged.
But it is in the way in which the NYT coverage of BOTH MEN accused of crimes they ultimately were exonerated, WHICH CASE is the NYT actively supporting and WHICH CASE is the NYT actively attempting to....railroad into the big house, so to speak?
Again, google or re: Paul Kersey on Nathan Trappuzzano case in Indy and let's just wait for the NYT to publicly devote its news coverage as much as they did re: the Zimmerman-Martin case.
Let's all hold the breath and whistle in the dark for it to happen. Ready?
"...I see that lots of people are convinced that the positive correlation between the socioeconomic status of parents..."
Hey, why not just rely on socioeconomic status and forget about the tests. It seems that's where we're heading anyway. Just solidify the current aristocracy and move one.
""""I read that interracial couplings was increasing among all groups""""
Yes and no. For women in the upper middle and upper middle classes, it isn't nearly the same level. After all, if white girls aren't from the hood and attend college but are NOT interested per se in long term relationship w/athletes, then....that pretty much leaves them with white guys.
QED
Also, there is one ethnic minority, about 2% and their women generally have not in any significant way gone for black guys.
I mean, they wouldn't tend to see them anywhere, including their synagogues of worship, so....they're sorta stuck with other whites.
I think that's even the rarest of all white girl/black guy couplings. You really don't see that particular ethnicity going for the likes of Richard Sherman.
Other Shermans, of course. But RICHARD Sherman, not one bit.
Blacks absolutely fascinate me, as they act in ways no one else does. Just a minute ago, as I looked up from my tablet in McDonalds, my eye fell on two black kids, about 9 or 10 years old. As soon as they saw me looking in their direction, they began staring, holding it for almost a minute, apparently challenging me to continue looking. This never happens with any other ethnicity. I know the black trope about being assumed to be criminal, but these kids are too young for that. Do blacks instruct their kids from an early age, "never let anyone look at you?
Also, there is one ethnic minority, about 2% and their women generally have not in any significant way gone for black guys.
What are you talking about? Jewesses are much more likely to go interracial than white girls of similar IQ/education/class. They have both the crazy-liberal type and the slutty, overly-extroverted, head-case freaks.
"Personally, I think the Jameis Winston case says an awful lot about race in the modern South, just as Wolfe did with his (quasi-)fictional version a couple of decades ago, but nobody else seems to think that angle is of the slightest interest."
White girls have jungle fever but cry foul when they get get burnt.
Liberals and blacks don't want to touch the issue since they don't like black-male-as-rapist trope, and white conservative males don't want to touch it because it's humiliating that so many blonde white girls with jungle fever chase after black males and when some of them get hurt, white males can't do anything about it since (1) they fear black males and (2) they don't want to be called 'racist'.
""""What are you talking about?""""""
Uh, talking about facts. Let's start, shall we?
FACT: Assuming the US Census figures; Pew Research; etc are not in kahootz and lying, Jews have very low divorce rates.
FACT: Jews have very infinitesimal rates of co-habitation without marriage. They generally tend to get married.
FACT: 80% of ALL blacks in US are born out of wedlock (no father) by 2024, if these trends hold, the out of wedlock birthrate for blacks will hover around 90%.
FACT: Per Charles Murray's invaluable research in his previous book, the top zip codes/hoods tend to contain a higher percentage of Jews than blacks.
Don't worry, old sport, I'll keep going for you to help out in case the pattern isn't obvious quite yet.
FACT: (a really biggie) Standard IQ deviation between blacks and whites (I KNOW, some don't believe that Jews are white, but....just go with it here) means that verrrry few blacks have an IQ above 105 let alone 100.
FACT: The median average of ALL Jews IQ is about 110, which is about 25 IQ points ahead of blacks.
And that's just the median, so even a dull witted Sadie Bernstein is still heads and shoulders above her dimwitted starting SEC QB LaTreshizarius "dee" Deeliteful Johnson. Ain't no way that Sadie hooks up with Dee. Why should she? They aren't in the same classes on campus. Which leads to another fact.
FACT: Unlike blacks, Jews tend to be verrrrry serious about their education. Ex. STEM fields: more blacks or Jews? Or does the question even have to be asked. Prisons: More blacks or Jews? Come on.
FACT: Verryyy few Jewesses tend to hook up with athletes "Yeah, but what was your GPA?" "Say whad?" Millennial or previous gens they remain the same: Aint no way that Sadie Bernstein is gonna be Shantiquius's baby moma in between furloughs. She's gonna bite the bullet and "settle" for Bernie the Dentist or Lenny the Agent (with just enough super pushing, nudging, and kabitzing along, Lenny can be the next Lew Wasserman of MCA and own the joint.
FACT: Funny thing about genetics they keep rearing their heads.
What's more appealing? "My hubby's a QB, which means he has nothing to fall back on and I can't trust him when he's on the road cause he'll be banging himself silly with every ho that comes down the pike?"
OR....."My hubby basically created that new (e.g. agency, production inc; etc) that more or less 'owns' hollywood and he's making about 7-8 figures annually. Since he's not a stupid dumb jock full of rocks in his head, he'll be earning like this till he's well past 65."
Yeah, which one....which ones have they gone for in general?
Anything else you have to say?
""""Jewesses are much more likely to go interracial than white girls of similar IQ/education/class.""""""
Lie. HOWEVER, you inadvertently bring up a point; IQ/Education.
Come come now. Those two words are seldom ever used in the same sentence re: blacks unless the words "racism"; "affirm.action" are attached.
Funny thing about IQ and Ed. For some folks, they do need help getting it (their scores) up.
Oh, yes, and the other one:
FACT: Jewesses don't marry down. They certainly aint gonna go for a murderer, rapist, and otherwise thug who can barely read at a 6yr old level.
Valedictorian Rachel Jeantel, on the other hand, may find that LaShantiquish Martenezeenah DeChakabooboo is a real catch.
They have both the crazy-liberal type and the slutty, overly-extroverted, head-case freaks.
FACT: Jews generally don't marry down. They go for smart and rich and for the most part, aren't into searching for the magic Barrack when so few exist. They'll bite the bullet and go for Bernie, Lenny, or Joshua.
You do have a good day!
"""""I know the black trope about being assumed to be criminal,""""
Hold it, hold it. Why is that? Wonder why that assumption exists? Can't for the life of me figure that one out.
""""but these kids are too young for that."""""
You think so, huh? Maybe in your world. How old did you say, 9? You'd be surprised what modern youths are doing at that age. Especially....
""""Do blacks instruct their kids from an early age"""""
Wait, they DO instruct their kids?
Really?
Seriously?
You sure?
I mean, cause as before, the out of wedlock rate is about 80% as it is and only increasing with each passing decade.
What would these baby mommas be instructing their kids in, when sooooo many of them barely have an tenth grade education?
OH, you mean as in, "Jamarcus! How many times I got to tole you not to look at folks like that! It dont show no respect!"
"But mamma! He was disrespecting ME!"
"Oh, then that's okay then. Isn't it."
Isn't it.
Anon @ 4:35 wrote:
"Blacks absolutely fascinate me, as they act in ways no one else does. Just a minute ago, as I looked up from my tablet in McDonalds, my eye fell on two black kids, about 9 or 10 years old. As soon as they saw me looking in their direction, they began staring, holding it for almost a minute, apparently challenging me to continue looking. This never happens with any other ethnicity. I know the black trope about being assumed to be criminal, but these kids are too young for that. Do blacks instruct their kids from an early age, "never let anyone look at you?"
I've seen that countless times,usually in customer queues. Just the other day a cashier appeared to be experiencing brief technical difficulties with her till, and all the blacks in different lines began staring her down to make it even more awkward. When they got to her till they complained that she had an attitude problem and needed training.
Anonymous said...
Blacks absolutely fascinate me, as they act in ways no one else does. Just a minute ago, as I looked up from my tablet in McDonalds, my eye fell on two black kids, about 9 or 10 years old. As soon as they saw me looking in their direction, they began staring, holding it for almost a minute, apparently challenging me to continue looking. This never happens with any other ethnicity. I know the black trope about being assumed to be criminal, but these kids are too young for that. Do blacks instruct their kids from an early age, "never let anyone look at you?
It's probably not that deep they wanted your Ipad & were watching you to see when would be a good time to run up and grab it.
Women really don't like to admit to themselves or other people that they've acted slutty. We now have the technology to prove that they're lying when they say that they've been drugged but it's ridiculous to think that that's the extent of it.
Anonymous, the FBI would not be involved in investigating the cover-up of negroes raping White women if there was not sufficient evidence. Your assertion that White women lust for Africans is a case of you projecting your fantasies.
alonzo portfolio said...
I'm probably the leading "racist" on this board
Never heard of you.
White girls have jungle fever but cry foul when they get get burnt.
The most interesting thing about this post is the question of whether it was typed up by a white liberal masochist or a black narcissist enjoying a power fantasy.
The website :
http://www.uvavictimsofrape.com/
may interest your readers.
This University of Virginia
incident will not go away.
Generally speaking, fat, and/or ugly, and/or psychologically damaged white girls, it should be noted (hence the lower case).
You are living in the past. No, White girls are not obsessed with Black boys (not "men", as this mostly a teenage phenomenon) as the troll alleges, but most White girls who sleep with Black guys are of above-average attractiveness.
Cue James Bowery here -- the government prevents us from intervening, so we look like wimps while the Black boys falsely appear to have a social dominance that they have not.
This post is Whiskey bait. You know he's commenting on this one.
The website :
http://www.uvavictimsofrape.com/
may interest your readers.
This University of Virginia
incident will not go away.
That website is Leftist lady bullshit. For example:
To Casteen: hundreds of women have been raped on your campus yet not one predator has been sanctioned or expelled during your period of leadership. ...
Women really don't like to admit to themselves or other people that they've acted slutty.
Compare to: fuck me face
White man raping black woman is man bites dog - of course it is news.
Wrong.
Astonishingly wrong.
It *is* man bites dog, but it is presented as dog bites man.
...white males can't do anything about it since (1) they fear black males and (2) they don't want to be called 'racist'.
Ridiculous. White guys can't do anything about it for one reason only: it will put them in prison for a long time.
"""White girls are not obsessed with Black boys (not "men", as this mostly a teenage phenomenon)"""""
Now, this part of the equation is true, and its good that someone finally stated it in a succinct manner.
""""but most White girls who sleep with Black guys are of above-average attractiveness.""""
This is more opinion and not fact. Consider a few things. Most blacks are poor and don't reside in white areas. Therefore the whites that come across their paths for the most part are going to be on the obese and lesser in the looks dept. since there are more of them.
The top 10% of anything is just that, the top 10% which in turn leaves the other bottom 90%.
Bot for the top 10% of women in looks dept. it is true that they have more options than before whereas it simply would't occur to many white guys in the above average in looks dept to go for a black woman, especially since again, most blacks don't reside next door to many whites.
Where would these above average in looks white girls meet black guys? On college campuses. Since many of the black men on campus tend to be athletes, that is the main place they are hooking up with them.
Honestly, it really isn't from their meeting in the classrooms.
Sheer numbers: There simply aren't that many black guys on college campuses compared to white guys. Therefore, when push comes to shove, most above average looking white girls will ultimately choose to settle down with the white guy. Its called hedging their bets.
Take a look at hollywood or in the music biz. Verrry few white women actually marry black men. And the same goes for the rap/hip hop world.
Even the NFL and NBA the numbers aren't there either. IF or whenever there is a white man available, the above average girls will go for him.
Basically, what they're doing is keeping their options open but when they finally do decide, they generally will chose their own (white guy).
The numbers simply don't bear you out.
I yield to few people in my contempt for the New York Times, but why should they mention Winston's race? Winston is famous. Everybody who knows who Winston is already knows that he is black. If the NYT were writing about Michael Jordan or Bill Cosby, would it need to tell us that he was black?
That issue aside, the article struck me as a load of crap. As far as the NYT is concerned, there can never be enough investigation of any rape allegation, and the investigation must never end until the accused is convicted. The police closed the Winston case because the accuser was not cooperative or credible. How much more time should they have wasted on the case once they realized that she was probably lying? The case was reopened 9 months later for no other reason than because Winston was famous and the newspapers made a stink about it. After further investigation, it was again determined that the accuser was not credible and the case was dropped again.
As for the second "victim," even the NYT acknowledges that she said yes and therefore was not raped. Her complaint was that, in retrospect, she wished she hadn't consented to the kind of sex that she had agreed to have with him. But the NYT and the "victim advocate" decided that this consensual sex was somehow evidence that Winston was a rapist. I would suggest that it shows something else entirely: that some women will consent to do all sorts of things for famous athletes that they will not do for the average Joe; and that they often wish later that they hadn't. (Note that the NYT does not say, or even hint, what the nature of these sexual acts was. Would it be paranoid to suspect that the reason they didn't tell us is because they knew that we might not consider those acts very shocking?)
Professional athletes, and college stars who expect to become professionals, live in dread of false rape allegations. I remember reading an interview, back when the accusation against Kobe Bryant was all over the news, with an unidentified professional player who said that Kobe's problem would never have happened if he hadn't ignored the advice that older players had repeatedly given to him: (1) Never go anywhere without your posse. (2) After you pick a woman to have sex with (out of the many, many women who are trying to get with you), send one of your posse to bring her to you. (3) Before he introduces her to you, he should explain to her - in front of witnesses - that you think she's hot and you want to have sex with her, but this is going to be a one-time thing. (4) Give her a gift when you say goodbye.
It sounds as if Winston, like Kobe, had to learn this lesson the hard way.
I think this incident angers white conservatives so much because it makes them realize what great lengths white girls will go to just to have taste of Black Male love.
Just look around you: white girls are obsessed with Black Men.
The prettiest choose me instead.
Would that I could be young forever!
Blacks absolutely fascinate me, as they act in ways no one else does. Just a minute ago, as I looked up from my tablet in McDonalds, my eye fell on two black kids, about 9 or 10 years old. As soon as they saw me looking in their direction, they began staring, holding it for almost a minute, apparently challenging me to continue looking. This never happens with any other ethnicity. I know the black trope about being assumed to be criminal, but these kids are too young for that. Do blacks instruct their kids from an early age, "never let anyone look at you?
An interesting interaction, staring at each other for a minute.
With me in such a contest they usually are unnerved and look away, and can express it by scowling, giggling, and rarely spitting. Other ethnicities tend to spit more. I don't just stare into people's eyes though. The mental state can be described as being fearless, unconcerned, amped. But enough foolish sleepy rambling
To be fair, if in addition to being aggressive they are also young, large, and very built then they will hold a gaze, but that's almost a tautology. I will not be bothered in the least.
There's actually not many who fit that description. Perhaps they are all in football programs in some other state
I like discussing issues with the people here, but you guys need to seriously stop acting like guys who couldn't get dates in high school.
"Be careful about the way you phrase your words. I know you probably didn't intend to, but it almost sounds as if you're condoning what allegedly may have occurred as in: She wanted it and whatever happened is the sluts fault anyway.'
I did intend to and I am condoning what happened to her. She was dating (presumably sexually involved) with one black guy (who was too dumb to be able to get into a better school than FAMU) and then decided to go home and have sex with a second black guy, presumably because he was the football star. Or maybe his worldliness and sophistication caused her to pull her pants down that very night. Which is what happened. Somehow a third black guy got involved, however she can't or won't say precisely how.
As distasteful as I find Winston, I don't think he should be prosecuted for having sex with women that want to have sex with him.
"That's generally the good ol' boy network type of thinking."
“Good ol’ boy network type of thinking”, lol ok. You need to watch fewer reruns of Heat of the Night. I'm not a “good ol' boy” but am a Southerner and view what happened to this slut in a larger context. Bear in mind over half the blacks in the US live in the South. We know them better and generally know how to get along with them better than elsewhere. White girls that choose to spread their legs for black alpha males do so in full knowledge they're dealing with a different culture than what she presumably grew up in. It is not fair to the blacks or to the culture she rejected for her to be able to go back and forth between the two. Tonight its thuggish oversexed black culture, tomorrow morning its white rule of law. Sorry. She chose black culture so she gets to reap all the vibrancy. Her (presumably disappointed) parents would understand this. “Once you go black, we don’t take you back..”
The March (2014) issue of "Culture Wars," anticipated the NY Time story.
In an article well worth reading - "The Athlete as Revolutionary Spartacus and American Sports," - the introduction closes with this trenchant observation:
However, Jameis Winston is only the most recent example of the athletic revolution led by Spartacus in Rome. This historic revolt eventually transformed rebellious athletes into the heroic icons of modern American society."
" Do blacks instruct their kids from an early age, "never let anyone look at you?"
In the 1990s, I was on the CTA Red Line when a a Black girl, maybe 2-3yo at most, gave me the finger. I did nothing to provoke this, save for being non-black. So, YES, BLACKS TRAIN THEIR CHILDREN TO BE RACIST FROM DAY ZERO.
I like discussing issues with the people here, but you guys need to seriously stop acting like guys who couldn't get dates in high school.
You seriously need to drop the transparent, pathetic attempts at controlling the discourse via shaming tactics.
Another point about the second "victim" who "came forward." In fact, there was no such person. The woman never accused Winston of anything. She never claimed to be a victim and she never "came forward." She went for confidential counseling because she was unhappy about her own sexual conduct. Her counselor broke her confidence by blabbing to the "victim advocate," who ran to tell the secret to the first accuser and to the prosecutor. As a matter of fact, we don't actually know whether the purported second victim even exists. She has never spoken to the prosecutor or to any reporter. The "victim advocate" appears to be the sole source of information about her. And what source could be more unreliable than a "victim advocate" who is paid to seethe with hatred of men?
The article tries to mislead the reader about this point but doesn't quite lie about it. The key words: "Georgia Cappleman, the chief assistant state attorney,... said she had spoken with the advocate but not with the woman." So what the article is reporting is the prosecutor's description of the "victim advocate's" description of the counselor's description of the second woman's confidential, and no doubt rambling, description of her own sexual behavior, which she regretted.
This is typical of the article. The more closely you read it, the more clearly you can see how hard the reporter worked to deceive the reader. If you wanted to, you could go almost paragraph by paragraph teasing out the reporter's intentional conflations and distortions of facts.
"I like discussing issues with the people here, but you guys need to seriously stop acting like guys who couldn't get dates in high school."
"Acitng"?
If anyone here has spent 10 minutes on a college campus you should know that the hottest white girls (blonde haired blue eyed statuespue toned taut aryan godesses from wealthy families who have a future in Public Relations, Finance, or Medicine) have intimate relations with Black Guys all the time because Black Males are the masculine ideal (competent confident muscular fit fast strong well endowed tough charming intelligent). '
One of my hobbies was to go to sorority row late at night or early in the morning and look in the windows. All the hot chicks were in bed with Black Dudes.
The assertion of Anon @4:16pm that Jewish girls are "the rarest of all white girl/black guy couplings" is preposterous.
Specifically in this case, the victim's surname isn't one of those ending in a vowel (Romano. Lombardi, Kowalski). Nor is it a "McDonough" or "O'Leary". Instead, her surname’s suffix is one of the most common Ashkenazi types (-stein, -man).
Marcus Dixon had friends who testified that the girl he was accused of raping was his steady girlfriend, and had vowed revenge. And a southern jury believed them. The accusation was he had attacked a girl in a deserted classroom. Don't expect a rape victim to be completely clear about what happened. And don't expect an accused won't have friends willing to testify for them.
Obviously the complainant got on well with Winston in the bar and did go to an apartment. But that says absolutely nothing about what happened next.
The identity of the defendant had a bearing on the way the case was handled. Not only the 'to Kill A Mockingbird' trope that has been hammered into whites in law enforcement. This kind of allegation would always be a tough case to prosecute. Moreover, it's actually quite difficult to satisfy a jury of guilt beyond reasonable doubt when the defendant has access to first class legal representation.
If you don't prevent your buddy from trying to 'join in' don't be surprised if the woman accuses you of rape.
Cops interview people for a living, and they know how to interview a victim so as to illicit what may seem uncooperative behaviour. That they left the forensics for over a month suggests they were trying to make it go away, and it did.
Here is why the NYT skewered the Florida authorities. The Laughing At State Attorney Willie Meggs's Jameis Winston Press Conference Was Distressing.
The case says an awful lot about race in the modern South. But, women didn't like the attitude on display by the men who decided against a prosecution. I suppose Meggs now realises the days when men could publically laugh at a press conference about a female's complaint of sexual assault and not get skewered by the media are long gone.
I hear ya and think its logical, but it does not seem to have gone through formality of actually occurring. See online dating data for instance.
"If anyone here has spent 10 minutes on a college campus you should know that the hottest white girls (blonde haired blue eyed statuespue toned taut aryan godesses from wealthy families who have a future in Public Relations, Finance, or Medicine) have intimate relations with Black Guys all the time because Black Males are the masculine ideal (competent confident muscular fit fast strong well endowed tough charming intelligent). '
One of my hobbies was to go to sorority row late at night or early in the morning and look in the windows. All the hot chicks were in bed with Black Dudes."
Uh huh.
Listen pal, I'm 29 and I finished my final year of college three years ago. And I live in California. Let me tell you that contrary to what some fellows like to believe, interracial relationships are still pretty rare. And mostly of them are confined to the typical white guy/Asian girl variety.
This bizarre stereotype of white girls being addicted to the black meat is nothing more than something nerdy white guys tell themselves to explain away their inability to get the girls they wanted.
One of my hobbies was to go to sorority row late at night or early in the morning and look in the windows. All the hot chicks were in bed with Black Dudes.
Is that what you said when you were arrested? Weirdo.
If anyone here has spent 10 minutes on a college campus you should know that the hottest white girls (blonde haired blue eyed statuespue toned taut aryan godesses from wealthy families who have a future in Public Relations, Finance, or Medicine) have intimate relations with Black Guys all the time because Black Males are the masculine ideal (competent confident muscular fit fast strong well endowed tough charming intelligent). '
One of my hobbies was to go to sorority row late at night or early in the morning and look in the windows. All the hot chicks were in bed with Black Dudes.
Lol @ this nerd
Gross dude.
I prefer to think of them as they were in real life: dreaming of a married life with me, pursuing me for many years
It is too bad I cannot marry them all. Or be young forever, or have a time machine. Or never need to sleep
Jews have low divorce rates .... and low marriage rates and high rates of late marriage equals low fertility.
At the highest SES there are significant levels of hot White women and Black athletes. Lindsay Vonn, Elin Nordgren, Heidi Klum, Eliza Dushku and Nicole Scherzinger come to mind. All from high SES backgrounds.
You better bring your A game against the competition. It won't get any easier, and beta male provisioning is less than wothless, it is negative. Be sexy or die.
FWIW Riossy had his take on this a while back.
Eliza Dushku, too? That makes me sad ...
Guys, guys, these women aren't dating black guys, they're dating symbols. They're screwing athletes with earning potential, not some project yo. College has already separated out the wheat from the chaff.
Difference Maker, you're going to treat as serious a comment from a post parsing PR with medicine and finance?
This particular girl may not have gotten what she was looking for; I guess the DP wasn't part of her plan! But it was good training for the life she can expect if she continues to date brothers. The endgame is what we saw a few years ago, when Patriots All-Pro tight end Ben Coates had two of his baby mamas brawling in his driveway.
There is a variant of the dopamine receptor that is associated with interracial relationships (and more general novelty seeking). The girls I've seen with blacks are more or less ordinary looking, on average. You see girls as good looking with Asians and Indians. Black white couples are commoner because of a combination of blacks being selected for getting women (polygyny), and some women just having an attraction for novelty. Marriage to blacks isn't that common, because blacks like novelty too, and they, especially the young ones, don't stay interested in any one girl for very long.
I'm not sure many white men would want to be get serious over a girl who might go with a black, because their daughter with such a girl would likely turn out the same. Even in porn doing interracial limits marketability.
It certainly is not true that the women who have the youth and beauty to take their pick of men go for blacks more often than the average run of girls do.
Whiskey, Black athletes (like other athletes) are juiced to the gills. Yes, even golfers.
City of God Book IV:
Chapter 5.— Of the Runaway Gladiators Whose Power Became Like that of Royal Dignity.
I shall not therefore stay to inquire what sort of men Romulus gathered together, seeing he deliberated much about them—how, being assumed out of that life they led into the fellowship of his city, they might cease to think of the punishment they deserved, the fear of which had driven them to greater villainies; so that henceforth they might be made more peaceable members of society. But this I say, that the Roman empire, which by subduing many nations had already grown great and an object of universal dread, was itself greatly alarmed, and only with much difficulty avoided a disastrous overthrow, because a mere handful of gladiators in Campania, escaping from the games, had recruited a great army, appointed three generals, and most widely and cruelly devastated Italy. Let them say what god aided these men, so that from a small and contemptible band of robbers they attained to a kingdom, feared even by the Romans, who had such great forces and fortresses. Or will they deny that they were divinely aided because they did not last long? As if, indeed, the life of any man whatever lasted long. In that case, too, the gods aid no one to reign, since all individuals quickly die; nor is sovereign power to be reckoned a benefit, because in a little time in every man, and thus in all of them one by one, it vanishes like a vapor. For what does it matter to those who worshipped the gods under Romulus, and are long since dead, that after their death the Roman empire has grown so great, while they plead their causes before the powers beneath? Whether those causes are good or bad, it matters not to the question before us. And this is to be understood of all those who carry with them the heavy burden of their actions, having in the few days of their life swiftly and hurriedly passed over the stage of the imperial office, although the office itself has lasted through long spaces of time, being filled by a constant succession of dying men. If, however, even those benefits which last only for the shortest time are to be ascribed to the aid of the gods, these gladiators were not a little aided, who broke the bonds of their servile condition, fled, escaped, raised a great and most powerful army, obedient to the will and orders of their chiefs and much feared by the Roman majesty, and remaining unsubdued by several Roman generals, seized many places, and, having won very many victories, enjoyed whatever pleasures they wished, and did what their lust suggested, and, until at last they were conquered, which was done with the utmost difficulty, lived sublime and dominant. But let us come to greater matters.
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America is New Rome and an elite athlete is the New Spartacus and we do love our bread and circuses, don't we?
O, and the race angle is a distraction; it ain't about race (even though America is obsessed with that). It is something more profound than that
O, and the race angle is a distraction; it ain't about race (even though America is obsessed with that). It is something more profound than that.
No, it's about race.
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