July 18, 2013

Finally, a poll on the Zimmerman verdict

A Huffington Post / YouGov poll of 1,000 adults:
2. If you had been a member of the jury, would you have voted to find George Zimmerman guilty of murder, guilty of manslaughter, not guilty, or would you have been unsure? 
Guilty of murder . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15%
Guilty of manslaughter . . . . . . . . . . .  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 23%
Found not guilty . . . . . . . . . .  . . . . . . . .  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 41%
Not sure . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21% 
4. In the way they covered the case, would you say the news media were biased in favor of Zimmerman, biased against Zimmerman, or did they not show any bias one way or the other? 
Biased in favor of Zimmerman . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . 12%
Biased against Zimmerman . .  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 48%
Not biased one way or the other . . . . . . . . . . . . .  . . . . . . 18%
Not sure . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 22%

The article has additional black-white breakdowns, but no mention of the views of misc., of course. Nobody cares about them, except when it comes to immigration policy.


A Working Class American said...

from the first sentence of the article:
"Americans are divided over whether they'd have found George Zimmerman guilty of a crime in the shooting of Trayvon Martin...."

Haha....they KNOW they have lost some credibility with a certain number of whites, and they are spinning like tops to keep from losing even more.....

Anonymous said...

So 48% of Americans recognize that the media was biased against Zimmerman.

Which means that at least 48% of the country are not absolute f***ing morons.

Too bad about the remaining 52%.

To quote a certain commentator, this is what 70 IQ looks like.

David said...

More madness:

God is a white racist, says black prof and literary luminary

Simon in London said...

I find these numbers encouraging. People seem more and more sceptical of the media these days.

Anonymous said...

Guilty of murder . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15%


Guilty of manslaughter . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 23%

White Libs

Found not guilty . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 41%

White cons

Not sure . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 21%


Anonymous said...

"God is a white racist, says black prof and literary luminary"


Guess Jefferson was wrong.

Anonymous said...

I'm guessing most of the d/ks are pro Zimmerman but scared to say so i'm going

62% not guilty


70% media biased against Zimmerman

I so want the media to be sued for using baby pictures of TM.

countenance said...

Rasmussen has Zimmerman 48, Trayvon 34, Unsure 18.

One could say that it's Sane 48, Low Information 34, No Information 18.

Moshe said...

Here at isteve we all knew that Not Sure would get a lot of votes.

Heck, as the future barrels toward us Not Sure will be the best we've got.

Jefferson said...

The only news channel where George Zimmerman got a fair shake is The Fox News Channel. Sean Hannity was even cheerleading for the guy.

But on MSNBC and CNN, George Zimmerman was being portrayed like he was the second coming of Bull Connor.

Anonymous said...

That's actually quite a few black folks who sided with Zimmerman, and only 25% said they were "angry" about the verdict. That's not the impression one would get from the media. I'm heartened to hear this; I figured it would be Obama-landslide type numbers.

Jehu said...

The group I have the most contempt for are the 'guilty of manslaughter' crew. I seriously doubt there exists a probable scenario wherein Zimmerman is actually guilty of manslaughter without also being guilty of 2nd degree murder. It's obvious 'moderation' at the expense of truth. It doesn't even pass the who...whom test for God's sake, regardless of who is your who and who is your whom.

Traveller said...

And anyway, one of those female jurors surrendered to the media sirens (and of course her ego) and released a controversial interview - what was needed (ironic).

And what about those Google news titles about the jury that was paid pedicures? They try to make them appear stupid and corrupt.

Anonymous said...

The most interesting thing to me is how Mexicans feel about this. Mulatto Hispanics will sympathize with Trayvon. But what about mestizos? Any anecdotal evidence?

Cail Corishev said...

Jehu, absolutely. People like to seem moderate, but a compromise charge that sends a guy away for 30 years (I think that was the number) is not moderate by any definition. Reminds me of something Limbaugh used to say: people in the middle of the road get run over.

In many things in life, compromise between extremes is a good thing. On the question of guilt in court, that's very unlikely to be true.

Anonymous said...

A Working Class American said...
from the first sentence of the article:
"Americans are divided over whether they'd have found George Zimmerman guilty of a crime in the shooting of Trayvon Martin...."

Haha....they KNOW they have lost some credibility with a certain number of whites, and they are spinning like tops to keep from losing even more.....

Yeah right, horse puckey. Blacks by and large dont give a spit about what the man thinks about them.

Maybe we should see this as progress that most are disappointed instead of pissed off angry. Perhaps race relations is making progress that they're only disappointed which is why the massive riots haven't occurred yet all over the country.

But, Sharpton wants to hold protests in 100 cities, so give it some time see if he can help the riots along. There's still time.

Anonymous said...

Somewhat off-topic, but readers of this website might appreciate the most recent Adam Carolla-Dr. Drew Podcast: "Honest Conversation on Race". Those familiar with Carolla will know that he is contemptuous of this phrase for the same reason most of us are. On the episode, Carolla basically calls Dr. Drew out for being the PC liar that he is and Carolla knows him to be. Carolla criticizes Drew, specifically, for his mealy-mouthed hosting of his HLN show vis-a-vis the Zimmerman trial. Carolla doesn't get it all right, but he get's it mostly right. Dr. Drew, of course, can neither confirm nor deny the truth and accuracy of Carolla's indictment, so he basically just smirks non-commital-ly all the way through it.



Anonymous said...

I actually find it encouraging that about 1/4 of blacks responded Not Guilty or Not Sure.

Does that mean that I would have a one-in-four chance of having a reasonably amicable discussion of the verdict with a random black person?

At this point, I'll take it.

Anonymous said...

Yea Fox definitely has its uses not that they aren't quite a few here who apparently want to pull a Gideon and winnow their team down to taki and chronicles. Strange tactic for a bunch of "wasps."

It was hilarious how Geraldo kept pointing out how somber and classy the defenses response to the acquittal was all they while basically shucking with giddiness at the verdict.

NOTA said...

Anon 3:05:

Why would they be scared to answer in a phone poll?Actually, I'd say Don't Know is a perfectly reasonable answer. Lots of people don't follow that kind of news, and don't have an opinion because they know little more than the names. To be honest, I think I spent a lot more time following the case than it deserved. It's instructive in terms of the media distortion and the team blue/team red aspects, but otherwise, it's the kind of local awful tragedy that should have gotten a few days' coverage in the local news, and that I should never have heard of.


If Zimmrman started rhe fight but only shot Martin when he was in genuine fear for his life, I wonder if manslaughter could apply--like starting a bar fight and killing someone by mistake, maybe? I don't think there's any evidence for that, though. My best guess is that the manslaughter people were wanting to split the difference--they thought Zimmerman should have acted differently, but didn't think he set out to kill anyone.

David said...

I never imagined I could feel a longing for the Carter administration.

Here's an astonishing mea culpa of sorts - too late - from USA Today's media beat.

They're cycling this out of the news cycle, fellows. The only thing that could keep it alive is a new development.

Anonymous said...

They're cycling this out of the news cycle, fellows. The only thing that could keep it alive is a new development.

Well, now you know what Eric Holder's been doing. Just waiting to launch the investigation. Wasn't all that concerned about Fast and Furious or ferreting out suspected terrorists nope, he's concerned with sending to the big house a man completely exonerated on all charges.

Don't confuse the issue with facts!

Anonymous said...

I hate to keep bringing it up, but Romney's 47%, though in this case 48%, keeps cropping up.

Anonymous said...

" Reminds me of something Limbaugh used to say: people in the middle of the road get run over."

Actually, I'm pretty sure he lifted that from Mr. Miagi.

JSM said...

USA Today's mea culpa:

QUOTE from the article:

"If he had stayed in his vehicle as he was told to do by the police"

YEESH. USA Today admits the media got the whole story wrong -- and in their analysis USA Today STILL gets it wrong.

No, Z was NOT "told to stay in his vehicle by police."

Z was out of his vehicle when the dispatch asked if Z was following TM. Z said he was, and Dispatch (NOT police) told him, we don't need you to do that. Z said ok and began looking for an address because he had lost sight of TM (to give to police when they arrive).
TM then came out of the shadows and punched Z in the nose. (My summary of excellent analysis from theconservativetreehouse.com).

Z did NOTHING wrong.

Z was not the aggressor. Z was not lusting for blood. Z did not lack common sense. Z was neighborwood watchman doing exactly what neighborhood watchmen do and should do when he was brutally attacked and then shot to save his own life.

Z was railroaded, and it could happen to you, too, White man, is the intended message of the if-I-had-a-son-he'd-look-like-Trayvon anti-White Obama administration (in which I include the complicit mainstream media, which is making the old Soviet news agency Tass look positively obstructive by comparison).

Anonymous said...


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Isn't this 'dumping'?

Truth said...

"They're cycling this out of the news cycle, fellows. The only thing that could keep it alive is a new development...."

Aaaah, but My Good Man, ask, and and ye shall receive!

Hail said...

If you click on the PDF at the link, you can see the numbers for Hispanics.

Reaction to "Zimmerman Not Guilty"
46% White
36% Hispanic
16% Black

35% White
35% Hispanic
78% Black

Not Sure
19% White
29% Hispanic
6% Black

The 35% White figure "angry/sad" is about the Obama White voter base, anchored around the Obama White Base of certain eternally-oppressed ethnic and sexual groups, along with a gaggle of the racially-naive. It's probably easy in Vermont or Oregon to believe the media narrative.

Hail said...

Another poll is here.

"Do you think that the federal government should prosecute George Zimmerman under federal hate crimes legislation?"

Yes, Zimm should be charged with a hate crime
19% Whites [the 'hard' Obama White Base]
66% Blacks
26% Hispanics

No, Zimm should not be charged with hate crime
63% Whites
18% Blacks
39% Hispanics

Not Sure
18% Whites
16% Blacks
35% Hispanics

I'm trying to imagine the divide by ethnicity/religion within the White figure. it seems sure that certain White "non-AmericanEthnicCore" groups, inclined by training their own socialization, would heavily think Zimmerman really must be a "racist" or that "White racists need to be taught a lesson" regardless. The Tim Wise wing of White America (the White-ethnic-fringe). It's hard to say how big this group is. Say the ethnically-aggrieved White-fringe is 15% of the polled "Whites", and they were 2-1 in favor of a hate crime charge. In that case, the White Ethnic Core of America opposes a hate-crime charge at around 90%.