February 24, 2014

Right Sector v. politicians in Ukraine

From the NYT:
Ukrainian Protesters See Too Many Familiar Faces in Parliament After Revolution 
All the same, the site [sic] of luxury cars dropping off members of Parliament at the colonnaded legislature building, is now guarded by “self-defense” units that previously battled government forces, has stirred dismay and anger. 
“Again we see Mercedes and BMWs bringing deputies who are supposed to represent the people,” said Mr. Kuak, “We don’t want to see these people again. We want to see people from the square, from the revolution.” 
"Ukraine is game to you?"
But as with any revolution, the question of who should represent the turbulent forces that created it is a difficult one. The revered heroes of Ukraine’s revolution are squads of helmeted young men with clubs who risked their lives to hold back government forces as they tried early last week to seize Independence Square, known as Maidan. The center of Kiev is now scattered with shrines to those who died, each one piled with flowers left by grateful residents. 
“We need people from Maidan, not people like you,” screamed an angry woman as Volodymyr Lytvyn, a former speaker of the Parliament known for shifting with the wind, left the legislature building. As he tried to answer questions from the crowd, protected by two bodyguards and a solid wrought iron fence, a cry went up clamoring for “lustration of everybody,” a term usually associated with the purge of officials and politicians suspected of serving Communist regimes before the revolutions of 1989 across Eastern and Central Europe. 
Peppered with angry demands that the Parliament raise pensions, reopen closed hospitals and find work for the jobless

I am not sure how popular the West's usual IMF austerity plan is going to play.
, Mr. Lytvyn struggled to respond but basically called for patience, a virtue that is likely to be in short supply if the interim government does not manage to convince people it is working to improve their lives, not line its own pockets. 
Mr. Turchynov, the speaker and effectively Ukraine’s new president until elections, gets credit for swiftly shepherding a raft of legislation through Parliament to establish the legal basis for a post-Yanukovych order. But few see him as representing the revolution. 
“He knows parliamentary routines but he does not have the support of the people,” said Nikita Kornavalov, a teacher, 29, who left a job in Norway to support what he hopes will be a new era free of the corruption and brutality that have marred the country since its independence in 1991. 
But even those who want a decisive break with a political class seen as corrupt and self-serving acknowledge that the heroes of the street might not make the best rulers. One of the most prominent leaders of the street forces is Dymtro Yarosh, the head of Right Sector, a coalition of previously fringe nationalist groups. But his elevation to government would terrify many Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the east and accelerate the risk of a dangerous break-up. 
“Yarosh would be good in the stage security service or the police, but not as a minister,” said Ms. Nikanchuk, the economist.

The usual process, such as with the IRA, is that you make the guys who beat the cops into the cops. 
    

48 comments:

Anonymous said...

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Anonymous said...

Interesting what Yarosh will do. Obviously, a role in the security services under Yulia will be very profitable for him. Maybe he'll get to buy a personal galleon too. The alternative is a prison term for "incitement" or something like that.

Bill said...


Bodyguards.

Who are they? Who pays them? Who are Yulia's bodyguards and who pays them?

Do the answers rhyme with Flackwater and Boros? Or do they rhyme with Wetznaz and Mutin?

The right sector guys don't have much time. If they really want to rule, they have to start making people either very dead or very afraid. If they wait for things to calm down, they will calm down in ways they don't like. Politicians will calmly go on acting like they are in charge until people believe it. When people believe you are in charge, then you are in charge.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltEvbum6LlE

If anybody here understands Russian, this above is hilarious. It's the governor of Kharkov (now likely to be the east's candidate in the upcoming elections if they happen), a pro-Russian region in the east, trying to make a recording of a statement and his buddy the mayor arguing about how to say things. The background is that these two guys are well known to be close friends and are referred to collectively by their diminutives "Dopa and Hepa".

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQYatSv7S0

And there is longtime iSteve nemesis Misha Saakashvili on the Maidan.

Whiskey said...

The problem Steve is as you noted, the lack of nationalism. Not enough Nationalism, i.e. idealism of a large tent of lots of people who can be plausibly fifth cousins, has destroyed the West.

Peter Brimelow believes it is Hitler's Revenge; my own take is that in the West, Nationalism was feared because ordinary White Westerners thought it could either end up in a nuclear holocaust or death camps of the Nazi or Soviet design. Hence the willful disarmament and demasculinaztion of the West. Done out of fear essentially.

Meanwhile in the Ukraine and Belarus, you have just various competing gangsters, with people wanting a better deal but never finding it. The EU is just further back, their gangsters (and ours) are just better at stealing, and concealing the stealing, than the crude guys in Belarus and the Ukraine.

My guess and it is just a guess is that things will spiral internally because ordinary people are at the survival margin, and cannot take anymore stealing. Right Sector could be usurped by other street guys, as in Libya where tribal militias rule the broken up corpse of Libya. Ukraine has a LOT of potash that is ultra cheap to mine, and a deal could be done with Russia or Europe to export that, with capital investments, and produce enough wealth to keep the country fed and surviving.

But my guess is that you will see semi-tribal militias, and regional break-ups of the Ukraine as the inept and corrupt pols deal and wheel and get marginalized like the ones in Tripoli. Street power with guns and men in the lack of a modern industrial army rules.

We haven't seen something like this in Europe since 1648.

Anonymous said...

"Bodyguards.

Who are they? Who pays them? Who are Yulia's bodyguards and who pays them?

Do the answers rhyme with Flackwater and Boros? Or do they rhyme with Wetznaz and Mutin?

The right sector guys don't have much time. If they really want to rule, they have to start making people either very dead or very afraid. If they wait for things to calm down, they will calm down in ways they don't like. Politicians will calmly go on acting like they are in charge until people believe it. When people believe you are in charge, then you are in charge."

Yulia is quite wealthy herself (through Hard Work and Business Acumen, like Yanukovych, obviously.) She has no problem affording her own bodyguards. She also has many supporters among the Oligarchs, and the ones that were on Yanukovych's side are likely to make peace with her so she establishes stability.

Right Sector is kinda in a no-win position. If they take over like you suggest, it'll scare the West and Putin will relish the opportunity to send tanks. If they don't, then, as you say, their influence will be gone. Their best bet is probably integrating into Yulia's security services. It will be personally profitable for them, and they can justify it as a long war type of thing to Ukrainize the security services.

Anonymous said...

Tyler Cowen's bean-centric future in contemporary Cuba:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/371520/cuba-holodomor-next-door-robert-zubrin

"[O]rdinary Cubans are not allowed to eat beef. Instead, what beef there is in Cuba is reserved for the nation’s rulers and for tourists who can pay for it with foreign exchange while staying at the all-inclusive resort hotels. It is in fact illegal to sell beef to a Cuban — not that any of them outside the ruling class would be able to buy much, since the average wage in Cuba is about 50 cents per day, or one-tenth of the minimum legal wage in Mexico. With this pittance, Cubans must subsist on the subsidized rations made available to them by the government. These comprise 5 pounds of rice, 5 pounds of sugar, 1 pound of salt, 10 ounces of beans, 8 ounces of cooking oil, 0.15 ounces of coffee mixed with unknown stuff that isn’t coffee, 6 ounces of very-low-quality fish, and 1 pound of a disgusting product made from unsalable animal parts, per month."

Anonymous said...

"All the same, the site [sic] of luxury cars dropping off members of Parliament at the colonnaded legislature building, is now guarded by “self-defense” units that previously battled government forces, has stirred dismay and anger."

What a weird sentence. I can see why the copyeditor picked 'site'- it's the location where the luxury cars are dropping off legislators- but the idea that the location stirred dismay and anger, rather than the cars, is odd.

Anonymous said...

I think the issue is what Svoboda, and its leader Tyahnybok, does. They are a quite right wing nationalist party -- not radical enough for people in Sektor, but very right wing and Anti-Russian, Anti-EU. How they are accomodated in thecoming weeks will say a lot about how this goes down in the end.

Blogosaurus said...

The plutocracy will take hold either way.

Anonymous said...

For those who don't know, Yarosh is the guy from that Right Sector video Steve linked to recently.

Anonymous said...

Those who break the pieces don't pick up the pieces.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

All the same, the sight of luxury cars dropping off members of Parliament at the colonnaded legislature building, now guarded by “self-defense” units that previously battled government forces, has stirred dismay and anger.

There, fixed it. Changed 'site' to 'sight' and took out an 'is.'

Anonymous said...

1914: A very unequal elite-dominated world.

2014: A very unequal elite-dominated world.

We've come full circle. In a way, the elites have less to fear now than they did in 1914. Communism is dead, the new elites control the new economy, there are no national conflicts among major nations that could lead to war, and egalitarianism is owned and controlled by the elites who duped the masses with 'gayday' that replaced mayday.

Back in 1914, even prior to WWI, the elites faced many real challenges. They were of the old economy faced with rise of new economy. There were challenges of populist nationalism and radical leftism. Also, the old elites felt threatened by rise of modernism in culture. And there was the gentile vs Jew conflict.

Today's new elites are really in hog heaven. Even in down times, the government doles out free stuff to the masses to keep them pacified. No one is a communist anymore. Nationalism has been weeded out of the minds of white folks. And the globalist elites of the world are chummier today than aristocrats around the world were prior to 1914. And gentile elites today worship and obey the Jewish elites. It's all in the global village family now.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

Looks as if Russia is sending toops to Ukraine:

http://flot.com/news/navy/?ELEMENT_ID=161473

Anonymous said...

my own take is that in the West, Nationalism was feared because ordinary White Westerners thought it could either end up in a nuclear holocaust or death camps of the Nazi or Soviet design.


Once again Whiskey shows why he's the biggest joke on the Internet. Nationalism is not "feared" in the West - except by the "Scotch-Irish". Of course they set the tone for what can and cannot be said.

Laguna Beach Fogey said...

As far as country names go it's interesting how people persist in calling Ukraine "the Ukraine," whereas "the Lebanon" (like "the Gambia") disappeared decades ago.

Anonymous said...

Steve's knowledge of the Troubles is lacking, ex-PIRA don't join the PSNI. There is a Catholic quota, but dedicated Republican types don't join the police. At the height of the troubles Catholic constables were at particular risk of being murdered by republican terrorists. Still no love lost.

Big Bill said...

"Right Sector is kinda in a no-win position. If they take over like you suggest, it'll scare the West and Putin will relish the opportunity to send tanks."

Why send in tanks? What an idiot move! He can watch things spiral out of control, send in food, water and tents, and decry the Obama/Hillary/Soros violent subversion of a peaceful Democracy. The man has no intention of sending in tanks and becoming a Foreign Devil. As things spiral out of control and crazy Maidanites start using the weapons they pillaged from armories and garrisons across the Ukraine Putin is going to be laughing his ass off at the new mess our idiot Mocha Messiah has gotten his scrawny little butt into. I expect Putin is again going to play Herbert Hoover to Obama's cheesy Stalin imitation.

The Liberal Imperium is running on fumes. Just watch them as they stir up a racial/ethnic/nationalist hornet's nest in Europe, while simultaneously preaching multiculturalism at home.

What is this now? The fifth botched Obama revolution in the last six years?

And God help our Little Brown Brother in Washington if he even dares to use drones in the Ukraine. Hell, this fsckup is tailor made for Putin to shine like a star.

Go read Counterpunch.com, an arch-lefty website. They are screaming about this nonsense. They are not kvelling about "the Rainbow Revolution". They see it for what it is: naked imperialism.

Anonymous said...

"As far as country names go it's interesting how people persist in calling Ukraine "the Ukraine," whereas "the Lebanon" (like "the Gambia") disappeared decades ago."

"In the Ukraine" is a translation of "na Ukraine" and "in Ukraine" is a translation of "v Ukraine". I'm going to try to explain the difference.

The Russian word Okraina means "the fringe, the edge, the outskirts." Ukraina is just a Ukrainian dialectal version of that. Until the 1990s the standard Russian (and I'm assuming Ukrainian) way to say "in the Ukraine" was "na Ukraine". This is very similar to the common Russian phrase "na okraine", which means "on the outskirts, on the fringe".

Normally Russian uses a different preposition in this situation. "In England" is "v Anglii", "in Italy" is "v Italii", "in America" is "v Amerike". Why no "v" in front of Ukraine's name? Because it didn't sound like a name of a country. It sounded like a regular Russian and Ukrainian word ("the outskirts"), which would normally take the preposition "na" in this situation. The Netherlands get a similar treatment in English for the same exact reason. "The Netherlands" does not sound like a regular country name to an English speaker's ear. It sounds like "the nether lands" (i.e. the lower lands) instead. And English normally uses the definite article in phrases like that (in the highlands, in the borderlands, in the bad lands, etc.)

Soon after Ukraine got its independence I started hearing the phrase "v Ukraine" used by Ukrainian nationalists. It sounds as unnatural in Russian as "in Netherlands" or "in Rocky Mountains" would sound in English. I guess Ukrainian nationalists wanted to emphasize that Ukraine is a country, not a generic set of borderlands. I'm sure they also wanted to poke a finger in Russian speakers' ears by this. It sounds jarring. Of course they made it jarring for themselves too, but I guess that was of secondary importance for them.

Even though neither Russian nor Ukrainian has grammatical articles, "in the Ukraine" really is a good translation of the phrase "na Ukraine", which is preferred by most Russians. And "in Ukraine" really is a good translation of "v Ukraine", which is the usage preferred by Ukrainian nationalists.

For most of the last 1,000 years most of what's now Ukraine was thought of as a part of Rus', or Russia. Even Poles and Lithuanians, who ruled that area for several centuries, did not think of it as a part of Poland or Lithuania proper. These were just bits of Russia ruled by them. These specific bits of Russia were often called Malorossia (Little Russia). There was also a Belorussia (White Russia) in the north, and a Velikaya Rus' (Great Russia) in the east. At one point there was also a Chervonaya Rus' (Red Russia) somewhere, which, being late medieval, had nothing to do with Communism.

Peter the Great's most important title was "the Czar of Great, Little and White Russias". These were very roughly modern Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.

Nobody wants to be a nationalist of Little Anything, so when local nationalisms became trendy all over Europe after the French Revolution, Little Russian nationalists started looking for a new name for themselves. Some parts of Little Russia had been called "Ukraina" (the edge, the fringe) before. However, it hadn't been a popular name before 19th century Little Russian nationalists settled on it. It's my understanding that Ukraina only beat Malorossia (Little Russia) in popularity around the time of the Rissian Revolution and Civil War, i.e. in the early 20th century.

Anonymous said...

Russian nationalists in the east should call their region 'old Russia' or 'stara-rus'' Given that it doesn't include Kiev, it doesn't have the benefit of truth, but its a good choice, and better than 'little Russia.'

Anonymous said...

The economy of the Ukraine is a basketcase. That doesn't change just because the government has. Now they will expect the west to bring in a huge bailout. Putin may be glad to have offloaded this turkey on us.

Anonymous said...

"One of the most prominent leaders of the street forces is Dymtro Yarosh, the head of Right Sector, a coalition of previously fringe nationalist groups. But his elevation to government would terrify many Russian-speaking Ukrainians in the east and accelerate the risk of a dangerous break-up."

Is the NYT telling the truth or lying here?

If anyone is "terrified" of Right Sector and Svoboda, it seems to be Jews. Even normally sensible commentators like Eugene Girin and Israel Shamir are constantly referring to Right Sector and Svoboda as "neo-Nazis" and "the most bloodthirsty nationalists in Europe", while simultaneously berating them as "cowards". I've seen no evidence of swastikas or Hitler worship, and the coward charge is clearly false. Say what you will about their political wisdom or lack thereof, but men armed with home made plywood shields who charge an entrenched enemy armed with firearms are clearly not cowards.

The Polish and Hungarian minorities also seem to be nervous - see, for instance, the joint statement from Jobbik and Polish nationalists demanding minority rights in the Ukraine (you know, the type of rights Jobbik doesn't like to see minorities enjoying in Hungary).

But in that video, Yarosh seems to be going out of his way to appeal to Russians and Putin admirers - EU skepticism, reverence for Kievan Rus, female punk band as a symbol of decadence to be avoided etc.

I look forward to reading the insights of Russian nationalist Roman Frolov at The Occidental Observer. How does the anti-Putin Russian right view the west Ukrainian right? Neocon dupes? Russophobe petty nationalists run amok? Comrades?

Kibernetika said...

As that little blonde-haired girl said in the Hollywood horror movie: They're baaack. Meaning the Western Uks, who collaborated so much with the fascists.





Anonymous said...

"I look forward to reading the insights of Russian nationalist Roman Frolov at The Occidental Observer."

The blog the Vineyard of the Saker provides a Russian nationalist perspective in English.

irishman said...

"Steve's knowledge of the Troubles is lacking, ex-PIRA don't join the PSNI. There is a Catholic quota, but dedicated Republican types don't join the police. At the height of the troubles Catholic constables were at particular risk of being murdered by republican terrorists. Still no love lost."

The quota has been scrapped. The PSNI is now only 25% Catholic.

Doesn't stop sour-faces calling it the PSNIRA though.

George said...

i wonder if they will be so bold if Vlad starts to roll on the east.

Anonymous said...

With this pittance, Cubans must subsist on the subsidized rations made available to them by the government. These comprise 5 pounds of rice, 5 pounds of sugar, 1 pound of salt, 10 ounces of beans, 8 ounces of cooking oil, 0.15 ounces of coffee mixed with unknown stuff that isn’t coffee, 6 ounces of very-low-quality fish, and 1 pound of a disgusting product made from unsalable animal parts, per month.

This sounds a lot like a diet based on the US Department of Agriculture's food pyramid, the perfect government diet.

Anonymous said...

@4:13 betrays a basic knowledge of Russian sentiments. The Great Patriotic War is an ever present thing. It is as real to Russians today as the Holocaust is to Jews today (in fact, given their greater absolute losses, they consider themselves to be the primary victims of Nazism.) Right Sector is a Bandera movement--its website URL is named after him. Bandera to Russians is synonymous with fascist traitor (although, of course, he was never a Soviet citizen) and that still means something there.

Don't believe me? Look at the Youtube videos of rallies in the Crimea or in Kharkiv or Odessa against the Maidan. It's not ordinary politics--people get the sense that this is something greater and with epic overtones.

Anonymous said...

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=7871

Svodboda leader Tyanibok has clearly been reading iSteve about how Israel is the great example and how white gentiles should take a page from its book.

ATBOTL said...

"The economy of the Ukraine is a basketcase. That doesn't change just because the government has. Now they will expect the west to bring in a huge bailout. Putin may be glad to have offloaded this turkey on us."

Especially if Goldilocks or her stooges are in control, which looks likely, the new government is susceptible to crashing and burning, giving Russia an opportunity.

ATBOTL said...

"The economy of the Ukraine is a basketcase. That doesn't change just because the government has. Now they will expect the west to bring in a huge bailout. Putin may be glad to have offloaded this turkey on us."

Especially if Goldilocks or her stooges are in control, that isn't going to last forever, then Russia makes its move by supporting some more friendly faction. See Georgia and Kyrgyzstan.

ReticentMan said...

I'm having trouble reconciling two things that are going on here and maybe someone can educate me.

The revolution is spearheaded by the 'right sector', which based on what I've read and their video is nationalist and pro-family values (i.e. on the losing side of the upcoming WWG/T). Presumably they want Ukraine to be run by Ukrainians (or at least their version of Ukrainians) for Ukrainians.

On the other hand, what I'm being told is the incumbent's crime is NOT joining the EU. How do I square these two facts? Certainly joining the EU is not increasing Ukrainian sovereignty.

Is the answer that this nationalist movement is just a pawn being used by EU over Russia? And they are oblivious to what's really going on?

5371 said...

Peppered with angry demands that the Parliament raise pensions, reopen closed hospitals and find work for the jobless

Libertarianism!

5371 said...

Peppered with angry demands that the Parliament raise pensions, reopen closed hospitals and find work for the jobless

Libertarianism!

Anonymous said...

Meaning the Western Uks, who collaborated so much with the fascists.


While the Eastern Uks who collaborated so much with the communists?

Anonymous said...

"Is the answer that this nationalist movement is just a pawn being used by EU over Russia? And they are oblivious to what's really going on?"

The EU doesn't want Ukraine. Soros and the neocons are using Ukrainian nationalists as pawns against Russia. Ukrainian nationalists think that they're using Soros and the neocons as pawns against Russia too.

All nationalisms are morally conservative, at least internally, so it shouldn't be surprising that Putin and Ukrainian nationalists are opposed to each other in spite of being equally pro-natalist, anti-filth, etc.

In America most Whites are a mixture of various European ethnicities. I think it's sometimes difficult for Americans to understand why all European Whites can't just think of themselves as Whites instead of thinking of themselves as French, English, German or in this case Russian and Galician. But these are age-old animosities.

It's all sad of course. I'd rather see a peaceful partition of the Ukraine between Ukrainian nationalists and Putin's Russia. The worst outcome would be a Yugoslavian-type war.

Anonymous said...

"Is the answer that this nationalist movement is just a pawn being used by EU over Russia? And they are oblivious to what's really going on?"

The neocons are using them as a pawn, whether they remain a pawn is undecided so far.

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"i wonder if they will be so bold if Vlad starts to roll on the east."

Not sure it makes sense for him to do that. Better to raise some pro-Russian militia in the Eastern half of the country.

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"Today's new elites are really in hog heaven."

That's when they start fighting among themselves.

ReticentMan said...

Anonymous said... "All nationalisms are morally conservative, at least internally, so it shouldn't be surprising that Putin and Ukrainian nationalists are opposed to each other in spite of being equally pro-natalist, anti-filth, etc. "

Ok I get that, so this is a simple matter of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'.

What still sticks out to me is that it's odd that the straw that broke the camel's back as far as the Ukrainian nationalists wanting to rid themselves of a pro-Russian government is that government failing to cede Ukrainian sovereignty to a different bunch of assholes.

But I suppose expecting fully formed logic at that level would make me hopelessly naive.

Anonymous said...

"If anyone is "terrified" of Right Sector and Svoboda, it seems to be Jews. Even normally sensible commentators like Eugene Girin and Israel Shamir are constantly referring to Right Sector and Svoboda as "neo-Nazis" and "the most bloodthirsty nationalists in Europe", while simultaneously berating them as "cowards". I've seen no evidence of swastikas or Hitler worship, and the coward charge is clearly false. Say what you will about their political wisdom or lack thereof, but men armed with home made plywood shields who charge an entrenched enemy armed with firearms are clearly not cowards."

Ukrainian nationalists certainly are bloodthirsty, or were in the not so distant past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

Ukrainian nationalist also didn't give up terrorism against ethnic Poles after the war. But the problem was solved by deporting them to the other side of the country. See link below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vistula

jody said...

"ukraine is game to you?"

hahahaha. nice.

and right on cue, let the natural gas war begin.

David said...

All those people over there are kinda like Cossacks, aren't they? Or close enough?

That makes 'em all cowards and Nazis...and, well, Cossacks!

It's all very simple, when you know what you're talking about.

Anonymous said...

As a Jew, I think Cossacks get an unfairly bad rap. I think it is because in the late 19th and early 20th century, Cossacks were the czars most loyal and effective soldiers. Most of the Jews who formed the base of American Jewry came from Russia around that time. They all happened to be socialists and hated the czarist regime. Thus, they made out Cossacks, as the regime's representatives, to be bloodthirsty murderers who rode through towns looting and pillaging. But as far as I can see, most pogroms were by the local peasantry and petit bourgeois and were not ordered by the czar and weren't participated in by Cossacks. But because of the enormous cultural power of Jews, "Cossack" to Americans means some extraordinarily evil thing.

I don't know how valid this theory is, but I think there's something to it.

(This isn't to say the Cossack Khmelnitsky wasn't an awful, awful murderer, but that was almost 400 years ago.)

BB753 said...

I predict these deluded Right Sector men will get the SA treatment. But instead of Hitler, the Ukraine will get the full EU package: inflation, immigration, unemployment, multiculturalism, liberal anti-normative culture and homosexualism.

Anonymous said...

This isn't to say the Cossack Khmelnitsky wasn't an awful, awful murderer


Except that he wasn't, really, no more than Nelson Mandela or David Ben-Gurion was an "awful, awful, murderer. In other words he was, a little bit, but change has always been accompanied by a certain amount of death.

scottlocklin said...

"Is the NYT telling the truth or lying here?

If anyone is "terrified" of Right Sector and Svoboda, it seems to be Jews. "

When I visited their bar in L'viv, they asked me if I had any Russians or Jews with me. It was a joke, but they are pretty anti-Russian, and regularly piss off those who identify with Russians. Crimea would definitely be out.

ogunsiron said...

BB753 said...

I predict these deluded Right Sector men will get the SA treatment.
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Looks like the ukrainian gov is not wasting any time. They're already getting rid of the Sektorites.

From the Right sector wikipedia page :

Death of Oleksandr Muzychko

On 24 March 2014, according to Ukraine's Interior Ministry, prominent Right Sector member Oleksandr Muzychko was shot dead after opening fire on police. Police said he was was sought for organized crime links, hooliganism and for threatening public officials.[39][40][41]