Huge increases in immigration over the past decade were a deliberate attempt to engineer a more multicultural Britain, a former Government adviser said yesterday.
Andrew Neather, a speechwriter who worked in Downing Street for Tony Blair and in the Home Office for Jack Straw and David Blunkett, said Labour's relaxation of controls was a plan to 'open up the UK to mass migration'.
As well as bringing in hundreds of thousands to plug labour market gaps, there was also a 'driving political purpose' behind immigration policy, he claimed.
Ministers hoped to change the country radically and 'rub the Right's nose in diversity'. But Mr Neather said senior Labour figures were reluctant to discuss the policy, fearing it would alienate its 'core working-class vote'.
On Question Time, Mr Straw was repeatedly quizzed about whether Labour's immigration policies had left the door open for the BNP.
Writing in the Evening Standard, Mr Neather revealed the 'major shift' in immigration policy came after the publication of a policy paper from the Performance and Innovation Unit, a Downing Street think tank based in the Cabinet Office.
The published version promoted the labour-market case for immigration but Mr Neather said unpublished versions contained additional reasons.
'Earlier drafts I saw also included a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural.
'I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.' The 'deliberate policy', from late 2000 until 'at least February last year', when the new points-based system was introduced, was to open up the UK to mass migration, he said.
Mr Neather defended the policy, saying mass immigration has 'enriched' Britain and made London a more attractive and cosmopolitan place.
Sir Andrew Green, chairman of the Migrationwatch think tank, said: 'Now at least the truth is out, and it's dynamite. Many have long suspected that mass immigration under Labour was not just a cock-up but a conspiracy. They were right.
'This Government has admitted three million immigrants for cynical political reasons concealed by dodgy economic camouflage.'
The chairmen of the cross-party Group for Balanced Migration, MPs Frank Field and Nicholas Soames, said: 'We welcome this statement which the whole country knows to be true.
'It is the first beam of truth that has officially been shone on the immigration issue in Britain.'
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I don't think that's really new. Doesn't Canada have an explicit immigration policy with the goal that Canada will eventually mirror the racial makeup of the whole world? And we are always told what *good people* immigrants are- how they work hard and cheerfully and have wonderful family values. (The part about the low wages is usually left out, as is the fact that in Latin America "family values" means different things than it does here.)
But so what if they were good people? That does not entitle them to come here, and it does not mean that their entrance will be desired or in the best interest of the current citizenry.
As usual the arguement is won in the framing.
I've always thought of the British (well, the English anyway) as being extremely attuned to irony. But here we have a guy talking about rubbing other people's noses in something he professes to LOVE, while obviously not being the least ironic.
The Conservatives don't differ either, from Labor. It is generally across the West, an accepted political alliance of immigrants, legal or illegal, and mostly non-White, with various economic elites (mostly hereditary, think Bill Ayers) with various left politicians (think Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama) and the Media (itself hereditary and elitist -- Barbara Ehrenreich's son is an NPR exec) with women as the key constituency giving them power.
Without Women voting hard left for open borders and immigration, the alliance would be short of the votes and power. Given that the economic elite while enormously wealthy is thin in numbers.
Women, face competition with men for political and economic and social and cultural power. By offering them a "better deal" against White men, the hard-left immigration alliance has consistently won in the West from say 1965 onwards.
However, the deal's arrangements are falling apart, at least for White women. Because they face increased competition in government jobs from non-Whites, and the pace of government expansion outside the US is limited by existing huge levels of government -- there are not that many new government positions to be created to satisfy blatant patronage needs for the coalition of elites, non-Whites, and women. Thus a huge political battle at the margins for whatever government jobs there are, and PC/Multicultural rules which women helped create and enforce limit them against Non-Whites.
What the BNP has done is argue that women get a better "deal" with their group. They are avowedly socialist, and only want to kick out immigrants legal and otherwise to have more spending and jobs (government run in one way or another) for a White ethnic coalition, women and men both.
The BNP does NOT argue, for instance, to jump-start economic growth by deregulation, deporting immigrants legal and otherwise who are economic drains, and reducing government while growing wages through encouraging entrepreneurship, low taxes, low regulation, and economic competition with few workers available (who are good returns on investment because of high skills). No, they argue for simply redistributing slices of the pie among a British nationality line. Their website argues for restoring NHS by kicking out immigrants not junking it and replacing it with wage growth and private insurance/competition.
The BNP's growth of course is through Labor voters.
The conspiracy is of course an open one throughout the West. Elites fear/hate their own people, and romanticize non-Whites as objects rather than real people.
So that is what it comes down to. Pettiness.
How pathetic. When western civilization becomes a footnote in the history books of tomorrow, we will not even have the honor of having gone out with a bang, like the Byzantines.
It will be a whimper. No glorious last stand against overwhelming barbarian hordes, no cataclysmic last battle in which we will perish, our bodies smashed but our pride left intact.
None of that. Instead, meek surrender. Just keeling over and dying.
How truly pathetic. And behind it all, nothing but pettiness.
If the electorate votes for the anti-patriotic party - i.e. the Labour party - it shouldn't be surprised at anti-patriotic policies. The age of patriotic Labour men, like Attlee and Bevin, is long gone. Ain't you lucky that such things couldn't happen in America?
From 2 days ago:
UK economy overtaken by Italy
I bet Kevin MacDonald would have a view on who was in favor of this...
I agree that there are reasons the elite have enacted mass immigrations. I agree that these reasons have not been disclosed. I believe that your post here HINTS at those reasons. But your post does not enumerate or describe those reasons.
Please elaborate on these reasons.
-cryofan
Steve, you are so far behind European politics you are actually spreading myth which is very unhelpful to our cause.
The British government hasn't elected the new people, the European Union has (albeit with the assistance of traitorous national leaders).
The newspaper headline is written by ignorant journos peddling a fiction for this elite. Don't be one of them.
Read Directive 2004/38/EC (although actually, who would?).
EU citizens enjoy "freedom of movement" and "freedom of establishment" anywhere in the European Union.
(UK has been a paid up member of this vaunted institution since 1975. According to the Taxpayer's Alliance, costs over $110bn a year including compliance costs and subscription fee).
EU laws do not only help the Polish get jobs here.
Non-EU nationals who have become EU citizens in any EU country (e.g. after 5 years residency) are free to travel to Britain. We have to let them in under EU rules (- our highest court is the European Court of Justice).
The above Directive has a "chain" clause which says we must permit the immigrant to bring their spouse, parents, children and in-laws, and cousins (if they are dependents).
This has been the cause of our mass immigration. They come here to live off our social services.
The Labour government doesn't mind these laws because the alternative society - huge middle class no working class - wouldn't vote Labour. They can also use immigrants as a prop in their status struggle with other white people.
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This story attests to the power and importance of the racism charge to the left.
Picture a group of Labour politicians itching to call Conservatives racists. How to do it?
Goad them. Keep goading them. Keep bringing in more and more Muslims until some Conservative complains about it. The Conservatives know enough to keep their mouths shut, but with enough goading, one will eventually crack under the pressure.
Finally a Conservative voices a modest objection to the destruction of Britain.
Ah Ha! Racist!
The whole business is idiotic and disgusting. Labour wrecks a nation so as to be able to hurl the racism charge. These stupid bullying tactics remind me of "The Lord of the Flies."
Edward said: "...our highest court is the European Court of Justice."
I think you must have meant "the European Court of Justice [sic]."
"'I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended - even if this wasn't its main purpose - to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.'"
That is 100% on point.
Here are two thing I've noticed about how your typical pro-diversity white guy liberal manager in the U.S. operates these days in regards to the above "rubbing it in our noses" quote:
(1) He'll have his typical minority right hand man AVP/Manager type who can barely understand Excel or speak proper English and then hire young white guys to work for this affirmative action puppet. I see this all the time now. They are training young white guys to think that it's A-OK to work for these idiotic affirmative action buffoons.
(2) All minority guys can now be as politically correct as they want. In fact, white liberal managers "love it" when these affirmative action buffoons are super politically incorrect and loud. I've noticed this at quite a few companies I've consulted at. These guys can talk about "Hindus always being late for meetings" (over 500 people belly laughed at that joke made at a Diversity presentation at a Fortune 500 company), "Filipino food being horrible","stay away from those neighborhoods (black ones) because they are filled with crime"(hear this one all the time from Asian guys) , etc. If I said stuff like this as a white guy Everyone would be filled with righteous indignation and I'd be fired on the spot. Yet, I hear politically incorrect stuff all the time from affirmative action buffoons and their white liberal managers love it.
Anyways, those are two things I've noticed over the last several years in IT. The good thing is that when push comes to shove the Asians can't get projects off the ground (because they NEVER can see the Big Picture but they are the best at mimicry) and the rest of the Affirmative Action crowd are well let's face it usually pretty dumb. Unfortunately, places like the NIH and CDC now have Asians and Hindus running everything so if you're waiting for a cure for cancer, heart disease, AIDS, Herpes, etc don't hold your breath. These people have no creativity and cures and new ideas can't occur from super duper mimicry. It requires creativity. So, not only has this Diversity thing changed our culture for the worse and increased crime but to the extent we now have these 1600 SAT/4.0 GPA/118 avg IQ Hindus and Asians running our Universities and places such as the CDC/NIH they are a HUGE roadblock to anything creative being accomplished. White guys with 3.0 GPAs/1200 SATs/110 IQ's are way more likely to find a cure for cancer, develop a new computer chip (I'm not talking about a "product extender") then these mimics any day of the week. Diversity is ruining America. Hopefully, we have politicians who have the courage to eventually repeal the 1965 immigration act and go back to National Origins quotas. Everything else (low/high taxes, unions/no unions,etc) is pretty much inconsequential.
"Doesn't Canada have an explicit immigration policy with the goal that Canada will eventually mirror the racial makeup of the whole world?"
Not to my knowledge.
Edward is only partly right. Labour has overseen a massive increase in residency rights and citizenship for millions of non-European citizens.
> The published version promoted the labour-market case for immigration...
How was this fall's pear harvest in the U.K.?
Did anyone -except the boobs - ever believe otherwise?
In the USA, the Right wants massive immigration to keep down wages and break unions, the Left wants to change the country and gain more power.
Both hate the white-middle class. And the white middle-class? Well, they don't mind as long as they personally are doing OK - RIGHT NOW.
Boobs they are, and boobs they will always be.
Treason.
There need to be due due-process trials and hangings.
At least they *have* a BNP. What does the USA have?
Not really shocking. Only a few weeks ago Bill Clinton spoke in an interview of how the "Vast Right-wing conspiracy" was "not as strong as it was because America has changed demographically."
You really think that demographic change wasn't intentional?
These people should be made to dingle-dangle from the yard arm. These offenses are nothing short of treason.
And the point that needs to be driven home: the USA and Britain have taken in more immigrants, percentage-wise, than all of the other developed countries in the world save Canada.
And which countries led to the global meltdown, and have suffered the most from it? Britain and the US.
No connection whatsoever, right?
I suspect Canada has been spared somewhat because it takes in the more educated immigrants and doesn't have government policies encouraging homeownership.
Does anyone have any additional information on this "Performance and Innovation Unit?"
Doesn't Canada have an explicit immigration policy with the goal that Canada will eventually mirror the racial makeup of the whole world?
That rationale may have been spouted by a politician or bureaucrat under one of the Liberal Party governments (1968-79, 1980-84, 1993-2005) but the actual policy was one of helping the electoral fortunes of the Quebec-dominated Liberal Party by diluting traditional "English" Canada. What's happening today is a clandestine struggle where the ruling Conservative Party minority government tries to limit the damage without giving the Liberals anything to attack them with. A good recent example is the new visa requirements for Czechs and Mexicans. The visas for Czechs are itended to keep out bogus gypsy "refugees" and the visas for Mexicans are ... hey, I don't have to explain that one around here.
This stuff is definitely grist for the Sailer mill:
Visa controls on Mexico ‘humiliating,' senator says
A senior Mexican senator and former foreign affairs minister yesterday called Canada's visa controls on Mexico a humiliation and questioned whether Canadian-Mexican relations will improve as long as Stephen Harper is Prime Minister.
In a blunt speech to a Toronto business and academic gathering, Senator Rosario Green Macias detailed the information she was required to provide to the Canadian government to enter Canada: proof of property ownership, her last six bank statements, a letter from the Mexican senate stating she is a senator and personal information about other members of her family.
"That has to stop," said Ms. Green, who is president of the external relations commission of Mexico's senate, an academic, a former secretary-general of Mexico's Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI) and a one-time senior United Nations official as well as diplomat and cabinet minister.
She wore a silk scarf with a Mountie emblem, a gift from her daughter who attended private school in Quebec's Eastern Townships.
She repeatedly told her audience that the Mexican-Canada relationship is troubled. Twice she used the word "humiliating" to describe Canada's visa controls, linking them to the wall - which she also called a humiliation - that the United States is building along the U.S.-Mexican border to keep out illegal migrant Mexicans.
Later, talking to journalists, she said the relationship will improve "when you change prime ministers," then realized what she'd said and asked not to be quoted.
The two journalists who heard her did not give her that assurance and Ms. Green did not press her request.
Canada imposed visa requirements on Mexicans in July after a huge upsurge in the number of Mexicans arriving in Canada and claiming refugee status.
Ottawa said most of the claims were bogus and had been orchestrated by unscrupulous Mexican firms giving advice on how to take advantage of Canada's asylum system.
Speaking of grist for the Sailer mill, here's an amusing, if OT, news item:
Disney's Sorry It Couldn't Make Your Kid Smarter
Company recalls "Baby Einstein" videos
The giant entertainment conglomerate Friday said it will offer refunds on its "Baby Einstein" serious of videos, conceding in a lawsuit that the video exercises didn't increase infants' intelligence despite claims it would.
"As usual the arguement is won in the framing."
thrasymachus has it right. pro-border integrity folks need to steal a page from game and REFRAME. in the arena of courtship, holding the frame is one of the most powerful concepts of game.
on a personal note, i won't stand in the way if the mob decides to hang these transnationalist traitors from lampposts.
According to Wikipedia, it appears the unit was headed up by Geoff Mulgan.
Mulgan, along with Marxism Today editor, Martin Jacques, founded a think tank called Demos.
An interesting statement:
On August 9, 2006, British Home Secretary Dr John Reid gave a speech at a Demos conference stating that Britons may have to modify their notion of freedom, citing that "freedom is being misused and abused by terrorists."
Marxists promote the immigration of ethnic groups that cause terrorism and then they start calling for restrictions on freedom to stop the terrorists.
These guys sound like a real Machiavellian bunch...
Suma Chakrabarti apparently played an important role in creating this unit.
"The giant entertainment conglomerate Friday said it will offer refunds on its "Baby Einstein" serious of videos, conceding in a lawsuit that the video exercises didn't increase infants' intelligence despite claims it would."
Somebody could start a petition to repeal No Child Left Behind on the same grounds.
"So, not only has this Diversity thing changed our culture for the worse and increased crime but to the extent we now have these 1600 SAT/4.0 GPA/118 avg IQ Hindus and Asians running our Universities and places such as the CDC/NIH they are a HUGE roadblock to anything creative being accomplished. White guys with 3.0 GPAs/1200 SATs/110 IQ's are way more likely to find a cure for cancer, develop a new computer chip (I'm not talking about a "product extender") then these mimics any day of the week."
^This is baseless conjecture. A white with an 110 IQ will not be conducting important research in a lab nor will he be developing the next computer chip. I think you are overestimating the innovative abilities of whites and at the same time disparaging (high caste) Hindu and Chinese accomplishments in many scientific fields. For all I know, you may work with incompetent Asians, who cares, but that is not reflective of the cognitive elite that work outside of the IT bubble.
Straw is a strongly identified Jew:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWqHoJt3GcE&feature=related
8:20 into it
"thrasymachus has it right. pro-border integrity folks need to steal a page from game and REFRAME."
Roissy,
It's not that simple. There already exist numerous respectable immigration restrictionist organizations like FAIR, NumbersUSA, and Migration Watch and they are still treated as lepers by both liberals and conservatives and the media and anti-racist orgs (redundant, i know) still continue to demonize them as evil racists. Reframing the message is not the issue, it has already been done, but what is the issue is overcoming the current zeitgeist known as "anti-racism". Until it can be totally discredited like communism, immigration restrictionists are fighting an uphill battle regardless of how popular the issue is with most voters.
1600 SAT/4.0 GPA/118 avg IQ Hindus and Asians running our Universities and places such as the CDC/NIH they are a HUGE roadblock to anything creative being accomplished. White guys with 3.0 GPAs/1200 SATs/110 IQ's are way more likely to find a cure for cancer
Ummm, no.
First, a 1600 SAT corresponds to way more than a 118 IQ. It's about 3 SDs above the average of 1000, so more like a 145 IQ.
Second, the appropriate comparison would be between Asian and white guys at the *same* IQ level. There is no way that a white guy who can't get some frickin' division problems right on the SAT can hope to understand solitons or microfluidics or genomics.
A 1200 SAT/3.0 GPA is a truly crappy set of scores for an aspiring cancer curer. I'm sorry, but technical mastery DOES matter and standardized tests are NOT biased.
One *might* have a point at the extremely high end (though Terence Tao, Steve Chu, Venki Ramakrishnan, and company can compete with anyone) in terms of whites *matched for IQ* being more creative than their *peer* Asians. I'd say jury's still out on that, as Asians are now scooping up an increasing share of the top prizes as they get to more senior positions.
But if the sign changes occurs it only happens at the extreme right tail. It is definitely not apparent in Putnam winners, MIT/Stanford/Harvard enrollments, or Science, Nature/Cell/IEEE/NEJM/Annals papers. East and South Asians are overrepresented there too as first authors, senior authors, and everything in between.
"British government elects a new people",,,
But what happens when that 'new people' become so populous and powerful and get some ideas of their own? What happens when THEY decide to elect a new government? What happens when the servant becomes the master? When the day comes when the muslims declare the U.K. part of the Caliphate the treasonous Labourites will be the first to be beheaded. They are the immigration equivalents to Lenin's 'useful idiots'.
Miles here gents,
I know its redundant and that Ive said it before, but it bears repeating. I hope the left realizes that if they ruin the West, that there is no place to run to thereafter. There is not some medium sized-continent out there in the middle of the Pacific Ocean for native Westerners to go to if we "elect" a dystopia in the West in 75 years. The left may be so profoundly narcissistic and self-centered not to care about their posterity, but what a tough road to walk they are giving to their grandchildren and great grandchildren a few years down the line.
If the left thinks that Asiatics/South Americans/and Africans will revere them in the future and keep electing white leftists to various positions and allow them to remain in the plum positions in the government/media/business-world, they are (or their great grandkids more explicitly) in for a very very rude awakening.
Is this the thanks the West gets for winning the cold war from the left? You beat our precious Soviet Union, so we will try and destroy your nations from within with third world hordes? Its amazing, even to someone as cynical as me.
It's not that simple. There already exist numerous respectable immigration restrictionist organizations like FAIR, NumbersUSA, and Migration Watch and they are still treated as lepers by both liberals and conservatives and the media and anti-racist orgs (redundant, i know) still continue to demonize them as evil racists.
I don't think you understand the concept of reframing. Those organizations explicitly reject any appeals based on race. They are still buying into the left's frame and implicitly accepting the idea that whites defending their land is the most horrifying thing imaginable.
An example of reframing would be when someone calls you a "hater" telling them that you favor the preservation of all people, and if the anti-racist wants everything that biological evolution ever created to be preserved except whites who is the true hater?
"And which countries led to the global meltdown, and have suffered the most from it? Britain and the US."
Ireland and Spain probably have suffered worse.
"I suspect Canada has been spared somewhat because it takes in the more educated immigrants and doesn't have government policies encouraging homeownership."
Those are two factors. Two others are that Canada has a conservatively(i.e., prudently)-run banking system, and is enormously rich in natural resources on a per capita basis.
"According to Wikipedia, it appears the unit was headed up by Geoff Mulgan."
"Suma Chakrabarti apparently played an important role in creating this unit."
It's always the Jews pushing this multicultural immigration, isn't it?
Anon is quite correct on the PC Manager with the right hand man being some Affirmative Action idiot unqualified for his position, and depending on others to do the work. It is by the way bitterly resented.
Second, who indeed benefits from lots of mass Third World immigration?
In the short run, women. Now there are a ton of guys willing to do low-cost manual labor and make that remodel affordable. It never even occurred to the woman who was murdered by the Central American illegal alien that she was at risk of murder from him, because (the woman acted in and directed the film "Waitress") assumed as a wealthy resident of the Upper East Side that the vast social gulf insured her safety. She likely also had idealized PC visions of non-Whites, instead of the reality.
White middle class women do not face for the most part competition from illegal aliens, crime factors, or their kids losing opportunities or being victimized by them. So they support them against their "real enemy" which is Beta men expressing romantic/sexual desire for them.
The PC rules cited by Anonymous in meetings (non-Whites can be non-PC, it is a firing offense for White Men) is not sustainable in a prolonged depression. We are seeing across the West the fracturing as the "New Girl Order" that provided critical demographic support for population replacement immigration erode under sustained hard times and thin slices of government patronage going to connected non-White groups and leaders first.
In other words a bare spoils fight.
Have you all seen THIS? Alex Renton in the Observer wants to kill Britons, Americans, Australians, and Canadians so more Bangladeshis can have children.
Yes, he says that. You really need to read the article. Along with "kill your family dog for Gaia" it is the SWPL war upon the middle/working class -- and shows the deeply feminized status seeking positions (as opposed to masculine-oriented achievement) that characterizes the very wealthy but debauched West.
I don't think you understand the concept of reframing. Those organizations explicitly reject any appeals based on race. They are still buying into the left's frame and implicitly accepting the idea that whites defending their land is the most horrifying thing imaginable.
Very good, Richard.
I wonder if the real difference between supersmart Asians and supersmart whites is early childhood experiences. The supersmart white men of the 19th and 20th centuries were free to roam and tinker and had time and space to think and play. I have often wanted to do a study of the childhoods of great innovators; I strongly suspect that they will share certain things in common:
* late school starting age or nearly no formal schooling at all
* intelligent, sympathetic mother who permitted big messes
* large amounts of uninterrupted time to follow inclinations and large amounts of space to wander freely in
* culture that expected boys to be boys, and did not freak out when boys got injured
People don't seem to realize how horribly pent-up the most intelligent children are, in the East and the West. It's a crime. They also don't seem to realize how children are being prevented nearly on purpose from developing the natural understanding they ought to have of such basic cognitive categories as cause and effect and part-whole. The West and the East are maiming our children and we are hurting the best ones the worst.
There are a lot of extremely high IQ, creative, hardworking, and bright Chinese and Indian guys in R&D. Like it or not, they're helping to drive the technology revolution and making a tangible contribution to society. No, China and India don't have infinite number of these type of people. No, the kids of the less select working class Chinatown immigrants generally aren't going to grow up and do this type of important work. However, the number of high-IQ/educated/industrious Indians and Chinese is pretty large and these people tend to end up in the West due to poverty back home.
If you must rail, leave out the immigrant PHD rainmakers that are helping to develop new drugs and technologies that will enrich and prolong your life.
The left may be so profoundly narcissistic and self-centered not to care about their posterity, but what a tough road to walk they are giving to their grandchildren and great grandchildren a few years down the line.
They're nihilists.
They aren't making babies of their own, and, as Whiskey points out below you, they don't want anyone else making babies, either.
Which, after all, is precisely the purpose of nihilism - namely, the extinction of the species.
Shawn thanks for linking to the Question Time episode with BNP leader Nick Griffin. Griffin didn't always come off too well, but it's worth watching the first segment just for the privilege of watching sleazy ignoramous Jack Straw trying to hijack the moral claim of World War II - while his father was sent to jail for being a conscientious objector.
See it here.
East and South Asians are overrepresented there too as first authors, senior authors, and everything in between.
Normalized for their representation in the fields in question, I doubt that this is the case. I work in what is probably one of the most Asian-heavy research universities in the country, and from my admittedly subjective vantage, white scientists pretty clearly dominate Asian ones in scientific impact.
Whites generally aren't as attracted to careers in research as are Asians and for that reason alone they are underrepresented *in terms of overall population* in authorship, etc. You could argue that they're not as attracted to science because they're not as good at it, but the actual output of whites who do go into it argues against that.
The most scientifically productive countries are also a lot more white than they are Asian. See The scientific impact of nations.
"White guys with 3.0 GPAs/1200 SATs/110 IQ's are way more likely to find a cure for cancer, develop a new computer chip (I'm not talking about a "product extender") then these mimics any day of the week."
So why don't you go find a cure for cancer, Mr. dumb but innovative white guy?
Canada can actually do the diversity thing correctly as it doesn't have a shared border with Mexico or some populous third world country. If Canada welcomes talented people with lots of capital or skills from around the world, it can be a net plus. But, it seems like Canadian immigration is run by the Left, and so Canada has foolishly allowed a whole bunch of Jamaicans to come in and mess things up. Muslims can be a problem too.
I don't understand the level of hostility expressed toward Hindus by some people here. Most Hindus may not be creative but when have most Swedish Americans in Minnesota been creative or innovative? Most Germanic peoples have been known for hard work and diligence than innovation--with Dutch as the exception in the 17th century and Germany in the 19th and early 20th century. After Jews left or were killed in the 40s and following WWII, Germany has been known mainly for high quality manufactured goods than innovation in cutting edge science. Japan has been far more innovative.
And, some of the most creative and interesting people I've met were Asian-Indians, much more so than Irish-American potatoheads whose idea of fun of drinking like a fish and dressing like a leprauchan on St Patrick's day.
And, ever see the movie MY BEAUTIFUL LAUNDRETTE? At least the Pakis wanna set up business and work at something unlike so many whites addicted to trash pop culture and welfare in the UK.
After Jews left or were killed in the 40s and following WWII, Germany has been known mainly for high quality manufactured goods than innovation in cutting edge science. Japan has been far more innovative.
See the article that I linked a few posts up. Scientific articles out of Germany are cited twice as often as articles out of Japan.
I must say Whiskey's post on this thread was very good. I agree with most of what he said. The BNP is white-socialist, very similar to the National Party which ran Apartheid South Africa.
It's an open joke amongst Afrikaners that if whites in the US or Europe were thrown into the same demographic situation in which Afrikaners find themselves, they would automatically gravitate to some form of Apartheid, notwithstanding all their past and present protestations against that system. Most ordinary people in the West need government support and protection, so the BNP are doing the right thing by offering ordinary white women and men a better deal in a white-ethnic system.
What people like the Vdare’s libertarian Sean Gabb do not understand is that Nick Griffin does not give a fig for the sensibilities and views of the upper classes (elites, high class, upper-middle, middle). He is talking directly to working class white Britons in a language they understand. It is a classical class struggle except that the elites (many of them Labour!) were so brazen as to enlist non-whites in their struggle against the working class whites.
"[T]o the extent we now have these 1600 SAT/4.0 GPA/118 avg IQ Hindus and Asians running our Universities and places such as the CDC/NIH they are a HUGE roadblock to anything creative being accomplished. White guys with 3.0 GPAs/1200 SATs/110 IQ's are way more likely to find a cure for cancer, develop a new computer chip (I'm not talking about a "product extender") then these mimics any day of the week."
Ever heard about a place called Japan ?
'Middletown girl', you've got it completely wrong.
Americans of Swedish origin have been a a very talented, creative and high-earning group.
They have contributed many scientists, technologists and engineers to America (eg the photocopier was invented by a man of Sweish descent, atomic pioneer Glen Seaborg was of Sweish stock).
Secondly Germany is the world's global leader in the most sophisticated areas of manufacturing technology - all the world's best process and precision machines are German, only they don't brag about it - the machines that make machines (even the computer you are using) are usually German.Germany is the great unsung hero of technology, it outperforms the USA and all the East Asian nations in this respect.
Middletown girl,
If you insist on taking the script of a comedy film as your only source of information about British society, I would like to give you this one fact.
Pakistanis in Britain have a rate of welfare dependancy many percentage points higher than the indigenous white population.In fact MOST able bodied Bangladeshis of working age do not work but suck at the state's teat - check up this fact if you will.
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So that is what it comes down to. Pettiness.
Good point. The liberal platform has always been pettiness. PC is pettiness writ large. Stuffing your nose into other's business. School prefects and headgirls/boys and all that shit. No wonder modern liberalsm is so attractive to the feminist set.
I'm afraid Kevin McDonald might feel justified at this. The plan was masterminded by one left-winger Barbara Roche whose grandparents were Russian jews.
Two of the main architects were Jack Straw and Peter Mandelson who have significant Jewish heritage.
More here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222998/Labour-open-borders-storm-Demands-inquiry-claims-migrants-let-Tories-accused-racism.html
There is no doubt that East Asians and South Asians working in American professional fields (e.g., the sciences, which seem to be a focus of some commentators) are highly intelligent, productive, and are making important contributions. No reasonable person would deny this. However, there are plenty of high-IQ white Americans equally capable of making similar contributions, given the desire and the opportunity to do so. Matched with ~ equal IQ, I see no evidence that Asians have any advantage over whites in creativity or productivity in these fields. Indeed, the historical evidence suggests the opposite and Lynn has suggested a possible psychometric explanation for this. This certainly is not 100% definite, and perhaps Lynn is wrong (or right!). Nevertheless, if Asians are not superior to intelligent whites, is growing Asian dominance of American science a good thing – for whites?
Asians seem to have three major advantages over whites here. First, they can undercut white living standards – and here I do not necessarily mean salary, but the entire quality of life in a given environment. Second, and most importantly, Asians engage in extreme ethnic nepotism, and take advantage of these ethnic networks to advance their careers, while at the same time opposing the very idea of white ethnic nepotism. Unfortunately, there are no studies documenting Asian ethnic nepotism in the American professions, and it is unlikely that such a non-PC analysis will be forthcoming in the near future. However, if anecdotal evidence is all we are currently allowed, then that evidence, at least to those familiar with the “facts on the ground,” support the Asian ethnic nepotism paradigm. (I won’t even discuss affirmative action for Asians as “socially disadvantaged” minorities). Third, the ethnocentricity and different cultural habits of Asians create hostile working environments for whites; even in the unlikely event a Chinese PI will hire one white, being immersed in a sea of jabbering Mandarin, and filthy work conditions, is unlikely to appeal to high-IQ whites who can make more money in non-science fields.
The problem is that the number of positions in any of these fields is fixed, and a continuous influx of Asians means, eventually, displacement of equally talented whites. I’m not sure how this process “benefits” whites in any way. In the absence of the Asians, the positions would be filled with equally talented whites and market forces would force the conditions in these fields (salaries and overall standards) to rise to meet white expectations. This may require more money for the sciences – a good thing in any case – but it would ensure that these fields are dominated by the majority population. Since, as stated, white Americans are at least as competent as are equal-IQ Asians, there will be no loss in long-term productivity and creativity.
As it is, Asians displace whites with no net benefit and significant net loss. That Asians leverage these positions into greater power to further their own ethnic interests (and usually now vote Democrat) is another net loss for white Americans. To escape from Sailer’s censorship tendencies towards my posts, I won’t even get into the biological consequences of the physical displacement of whites by Asians in America. Suffice to say that even focusing on the narrow issues raised here, it seems that the Asian influx is not necessary and does not – once all the costs/benefits are calculated – clearly benefit white Americans. And, again, this analysis ignores the 800lb gorilla in the room – biological displacement.
I don't understand the level of hostility expressed toward Hindus
I'm not so much hostile, as I recognize that Hinduism is incompatible with America. If subcons come to the west and deracinate, that might work out just fine. People seemed fooled by diet and meditation into thinking that they're milqetoast liberals.
They aren't. Hinduism has a hereditary priesthood that rules over people who deserve their place in society because of sins in past life. Unlike the western elite, the elite Hindu cannot create a society wherein the unelect live better than Africans.
It's worth noting that Britain may have as many as 80 million people right now, which is far more than official statistics claim.
Another article today:
Labour 'deliberately let migrants in to make Britain more multicultural and so Tories could be accused of racism'
Middletown Girl said: "If Canada welcomes talented people with lots of capital or skills from around the world, it can be a net plus."
A net plus, perhaps, in the short term. But, that is not the point (nor should not be the point).
The point is the long term: do you want to give away your country (your territory) -- your descendants' heritage -- to people to whom you are not related (or, at least, not as related to as you are to your family and your co-ethnics)?
I'm with Jared Taylor on this. Japanese people, for example, might be (are obviously) very intelligent as a group and very conscientious as members of society, but I wouldn't even want to invite millions of them to my country permanently because then I, or my descendants, will have to share this country, political power, etc., etc., with a bunch of people to whom we are not related.
It just doesn't make sense. Why would you give your country away to strangers?
Great commentary from Melanie Phillips: The outrageous truth slips out: Labour cynically plotted to transform the entire make-up of Britain without telling us
"Mass immigration, he [Neather, the speech writer who let this cat out of the bag] wrote, had provided the 'foreign nannies, cleaners and gardeners' without whom London could hardly function.
"What elitist arrogance! As if most people employ nannies, cleaners and gardeners. And what ignorance. The argument that Britain is better off with this level of immigration has been conclusively shown to be economically illiterate....
"But this policy was not to enhance British culture and society by broadening the mix. It was to destroy its defining character altogether.
It also conveniently guaranteed an increasingly Labour-voting electorate since, as a recent survey by the Electoral Commission has revealed, some 90 per cent of black people and three-quarters of Asians vote Labour."
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The British government (Labour Party) really HAVE elected a new people.
Traitors.
"Middletown Girl said...
Most Germanic peoples have been known for hard work and diligence than innovation--with Dutch as the exception in the 17th century and Germany in the 19th and early 20th century. After Jews left or were killed in the 40s and following WWII, Germany has been known mainly for high quality manufactured goods than innovation in cutting edge science."
This is abject nonsense. You don't know much, do you?
Damn now when I put up my blog on this people will think I am plaigerising you not Brecht.
"Doesn't Canada have an explicit immigration policy with the goal that Canada will eventually mirror the racial makeup of the whole world?"
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I sure hope not. But this seems to be the way things are going. Last week a rusty boat containing 75 young men believed to be Tamil Tigers floated into Canadian waters off British Columbia. The sensible thing might have been to send out a navy ship to meet them--perhaps fire a few shots across its bow and escort it into international waters. But that didn't happen of course. They practically rolled out a red carpet for them, and now they are in Vancouver getting all lawyered-up for their refugee hearings. A bunch of Tamil lawyers from Toronto came out and are speaking for them, and saying Tamil Tigers are just persecuted innocents, etc. Already they are complaining about the conditions they are being kept in. (They are locked up, thank goodness--some Chinese that arrived in a similar manner a few years ago were let free and they just disappeared--probably went down to the States.)
These Tamils will most assuredly stay in Canada, collect welfare, get free health care, and bring over dozens of relatives to do the same. If they do work they will probably get paid under the table to avoid paying taxes. Unfortunately a lot of new immigrants don't understand that the benefits we have are must be paid for somehow, and the system only works if we pay our fair share of taxes.
The Chinese immigrants to B.C. (many of who live in Richmond) also like to avoid paying tax. For example:
http://www.canada.com/richmondnews/news/story.html?id=112dbdaf-b16f-4359-9a02-dfaa85c68c35
Those Chinese don't let the grass grow under their feet when it comes to making money. One guy operated a driving school that charged new immigrants $4000. and guaranteed them a license--he was in collusion with a driving examiner (also an immigrant). The new Chinese in Vancouver are notoriously bad, dangerous drivers. A few months ago a Chinese driver ran through a stop sign and hit a baby in a stroller, killing the baby. This driver had something like 60 previous tickets for going through stop signs and red lights. I guess in China it is just a free for all on the roads--every man for himself--and it is rapidly becoming this way in Vancouver, too.
Second, who indeed benefits from lots of mass Third World immigration?
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As usual, Whiskey, you natter on about things you know nothing about. Most of the Western people fighting mass Third World immigration in Europe on a grass-roots basis are in fact women. Pia Klaarsjard of the Danish People's Party in Denmark was the first to sound the alarm about Muslims, more than 10 years ago, when Geert Wilders had not even been heard of. Pia's party came from nowhere to become 1/2 of the current ruling coalition in the Danish government, and it's been very effective at passing immigration restriction laws. Pauline Hanson in Australia was also sounding the alarm years ago, although she later flamed out due to personal problems. Suzanne DeWinter of Austria, Brigitte Bardot of France, Paul Belian's wife Alexandra (I've forgotten her last name), to name just a few off the top of my head. And of course, Oriana Fallaci. In our own country we've got Diana West ,Phyllis Schlafley, Sue Myers, Michelle Bachmann and Iliana Mercer. Sue Myers, Georgia congresswoman, has even come out bravely for stopping all Muslim immigration. I hadn't noticed that any male Congressmen had the cojones to do the same.
I'd like to ask you, what do you personally do about the issue, yourself? Do you give significant amounts of money to the immigration restriction organizations or to politicians like Sue Myers? Do you make the calls, day in and day out, to our "representatives" demanding that they represent American citizens instead of foreign interests and lawbreakers? Where were you during the last amnesty proposal in 2007 when people like me called the Senate hotline so often we broke it down? Do you spend any time at all, posting intelligently on immigration websites, as opposed to the massive amount of posting you do on idiotic "game" subjects, trying to sway opinions against mass Third World immigration?
I do all of those things, day in and day out, and have been doing them for years. A weak little woman and mom.
The left may be so profoundly narcissistic and self-centered not to care about their posterity, but what a tough road to walk they are giving to their grandchildren and great grandchildren a few years down the line.
They don't have any.
"Germany is the great unsung hero of technology, it outperforms the USA and all the East Asian nations in this respect."
My brother recently stayed with the family of a German cousin of ours. Our cousin is a physicist who worked with liquid crystals back in the '80s (he has at least one patent and several second-tier "Nobels" under his belt) and now mostly works with anti-missle technology. What struck me when watching videos of our cousin's home and its interior was how modest it was. Here in America, it would be solidly middle-class. They didn't even have A.C. Of course, they have lots of intangibles we don't have; for example, they ran out of bread one morning and his wife got on her bike and was back in less than 10 minutes with a fresh loaf made from the local bakery and this was a tiny town in the Black Forest near the border of Switzerland!
Anyways, Go Germans!
Seriously, I love the Japanese people and think they're beautiful as well as smart. They are also hilarious:
Naked ski prank
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTGLhim0XqA
Port-o-potty prank
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsUDHX_I8RE
@Middletown Girl
And I guess anyone else who's interested (I've posted this link before):
Revealed: the diversity that defines a nation
One in three Muslim homes have dependent children but no working adults.
It just says "Muslim", but does not break it down further. And this is the UK, not Canada.
Regarding the somewhat propagandistic title of the piece, I don't think many people here would agree that 'diversity defines a nation'.
After Jews left or were killed in the 40s and following WWII, Germany has been known mainly for high quality manufactured goods than innovation in cutting edge science. Japan has been far more innovative.
See the article that I linked a few posts up. Scientific articles out of Germany are cited twice as often as articles out of Japan.
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Scientific articles are a dime. You can write an article about decoding a small segment of the genome for a bacteria and get published. That's nothing innovative about it, just plain hard work. Even getting cited just means your better at communicating/promoting your work to your peers.
In the last 50 years, the US has been the leader in producing scientific and technological inventions followed by Japan. I would probably then rank Germany and UK next. Germany has pretty much been in a slump since the end of WW2.
The Jews in germany were the ones who made them innovative.
Name some things Germany has done in the last 50 years or so? Even Japan, a nation of known copiers have been more innovative than Germany.
Japan
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-LCDs: even though Liquid crystals were discovered by an austrian, it was really Japanese industry that made most of the equipment and technological breakthroughs to turn it into a consumer item as we know today
-Flash memory devices all used in mp3 players and other solid state cards were invented by Toshiba
-floppy disk
-not to forget all the audio-visual technology(CDs, Blu-rays, etc..)
Germany
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Nothing I can think anything. They made some cool cars. But that's it.
Europe, with a population of 700 million whites haven't been able to produce level of innovation present in the US? Why?
"According to Wikipedia, it appears the unit was headed up by Geoff Mulgan...Suma Chakrabarti apparently played an important role in creating this unit."
It's always the Jews pushing this multicultural immigration, isn't it? - Fred
According to the data the UK is about 0.5% British, but Gordon Brown's 22 member cabinet includes at least 4 people with significant Jewish ancestry - Lord Chancellor Jack Straw, First Secretary of State Lord Mandelson, Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs David Miliband, and Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change Ed Miliband. In other words a cabinet about 18% ethnically Jewish, in a country 1/36th of that.
Though what I find almost as interesting is the number of people in his cabinet with ties to Marxist groups.
Gee - Marxism, Judaism, and Elect-a-New-People-ism all going hand-in-hand. Who woulda thunk it?
She repeatedly told her audience that the Mexican-Canada relationship is troubled. Twice she used the word "humiliating" to describe Canada's visa controls, linking them to the wall - which she also called a humiliation - that the United States is building along the U.S.-Mexican border to keep out illegal migrant Mexicans.
What should be humiliating is that 15-20% of the native born population of Mexico is now living in the United States, and that so many of them are willing to comehere without regard to the law.
The nation of Mexico is little more than the world's biggest con artist. The sad thing is that our government is stupid and corrupt enough to let them get away with it.
Andrew Neather wonders why Labour's "ministers have been so very bad at communicating" the glorious benefits of diversity.
Gee, maybe it's because one of those benefits is that they get to live in glorious, multicultural London (presumably not in the more dangerous Muslim or Afro-Carib neighborhoods, though), rather than "the past or the sticks" - you know, in "the sticks," amongst the voters who were idiotic enought to elect Labour to begin with.
I can understand why Labour pols wouldn't want to live amongst anyone dumb enough to vote for them. I can understand it quite well, in fact. It's like the old Groucho Marx joke: "I wouldn't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member."
Middletown girl: Even if Canada could only bring in the smartest non-white immigrants (WHICH IT DOESN'T), we still have a right to say "No thank you. I enjoy the unique Anglo-European cultural milieu of Canada."
If you like third worlders so much, why don't you go and live amongst them instead of ruining one the last well-run, white countries on earth?
It's always the Jews pushing this multicultural immigration, isn't it? - Fred
Actually, Fred, if you read Andrew Neather's full column you'll learn that he wrote an important immigration speech for Barbara Roche (born Barbara Margolis), the former Minister of State for Asylum and Immigration.
Any guesses as to what Roche's ethnicity/religion is?
The take-away message from Andrew Neathers' article: native Britons are too dull, too stupid, too lazy, too backward to create a viable culture and economy.
Not a racist attitude at all, is it?
It's always the Jews pushing this multicultural immigration, isn't it? - Fred
Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) has just introduced a bill that would triple the number of H-1Bs issued every year. Wanna guess what her ethnoreligion is?
following WWII, Germany has been known mainly for high quality manufactured goods than innovation in cutting edge science. Japan has been far more innovative.
Proof, please? Germany manages to pay the bills quite well, thank you. And despite having only 2/3rds the population of Japan it has the largest trade surplus of any nation in the world.
As for "cutting edge science," 20 Germans have won Nobels in science for work done after World War II, while Japan has won only 16 Nobels (science or otherwise) in its entire history.
And I am not even going to begin to take a position on whether or not Asians are creative.
"The good thing is that when push comes to shove the Asians can't get projects off the ground (because they NEVER can see the Big Picture...... "
Extremely important point. When America was a great industrial power, it wasn't because of our raw IQ and it certainly wasn't because of our education. It was because of our ability to organize and our ability to see the big picture, the system-level picture. Morse, Bell, Edison, Ford, Gates: all won by building the whole system, not just the product.
Now that we're solely emphasizing raw IQ and advanced degrees, we're playing in the wrong league. East Asians will always win this game.
I'd love to see the US Government's white paper concerning the 12 Million, err, over 30 Million "immigrants living in the shadows".
Here's the article by Andrew Neather in the Evening Standard, that the Daily Mail refers to.
I have read a book called Ideology and Immigration which proved all of this in thorough, if often soporific, detail as far back as 1988. It is by the Australian academic Katherine Betts (sorry Whiskey- guess there are nationally-minded women out there) who shows in scholarly-rigorous detail that support for immigration comes from 2 main sources: self-evidently venal business concerns that want cheap labor and growing markets, and middle class whites seeking to prove their status bonafides vis-a-vis working class sheilas and blokes. This is about as revelatory to the people here as "water is wet", but still good to see it proven in scholarly irrefutable fashion.
This mystical belief in the magical "skilled" immigrant is as phony baloney as the "hard-working illegal."
Consider, between 1924 and 1965, America put a cap on immigration across the board. In addition to the salutary effects of creating a broad middle class and a cohesive American culture, this period also marked incredible revolutions in science and technology that changed the world:
1) Commercialization of the automobile.
2) Commercialization of the aircraft.
3) Radar
4) Rockets
5) Radio
6)Television
7) The Jet Engine
8) Computers
9) The Transistor
10) The Space Program
11) The Microwave Oven
12) DNA Discovery
This is just a list off the top of my head. I'm sure you could find more.
Now, consider the period between 1965 and 2009. What have been the current revolutionary technologies? What technologies have made revolutionary changes in our society?
1) Internet
2) Video games.
Seriously. This is just a short list off the top of my head and it's debatable that these are even revolutionary.
Certainly, there have been advances in technology, evolutionary changes as a result of having 44 additional years to figure things out. But there has been little in the way of life-altering, revolutions of the kind that we saw in the pre-1965 period.
At the same time, we've seen a massive increase in the number of foreigners in science and engineering departments, as well as women and minorities. Science and technology has developed a reputation of being an exclusive Chinese/Indian domain. Yet, where are today's great inventions? Nowhere. I would not be surprise if foreigner-bsed science is just a grant writing scam designed to defraud the federal government.
In sum, when organized science was dominated by white men, we get the modern world. Now that it is dominated by foreigners, we get better graphics.
Name some things Germany has done in the last 50 years or so? Even Japan, a nation of known copiers have been more innovative than Germany.
Germany
Population: 82M
Science Nobels since 1970: 27
Japan
Population: 127M
Science Nobels since 1970: 11
Japan is gizmo-oriented (not necessarily a bad thing - a good way to make money) so they appear to consumers such as yourself to be exceedingly innovative. Also, very few European or American scientists go to Japan for training, but the Japanese send tons to us. The vast majority end up returning with what they learned here.
More on Barbara Roche.
Roche's own parents were part Spanish, Portuguese, Polish and Russian, and she had entered politics - she still emphasises this today - to combat anti-semitism and xenophobia in general. She did not find the changes to immigration policy set in motion by Gardner's death encouraging: "[If] the solution to the Metropolitan police's withdrawal from deportations is to bring in private security firms such as the notorious Group 4," Roche wrote in 1993, the process might become harsher still. "The security industry is a shadowy world which we know little about," she added later that year. "It is utterly unsuitable for sensitive tasks like deportations."
Mark: Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ) has just introduced a bill that would triple the number of H-1Bs issued every year.
Middletown Girl says that if you've seen Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle, you'll understand the need for this.
You all forget the Scots!
I drew this up a month ago - UK Government is a Scots/Jewish Mafia. In order for Labour to advance the cause of Scotland and Europe the English must be marginalised.
Gordon Brown - Scottish
Prime Minister
First Lord of the Treasury
Minister for the Civil Service
Alistair Darling - Scottish
Chancellor of the Exchequer
Pat McFadden - Scottish
Minister of State for Business
Douglas Alexander - Scottish
Secretary of State for International Development
Yvette Cooper - Scottish
Secretary of State for Work and Pensions
Ed Milliband - Jewish
Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change
David Milliband - Jewish
Foreign Secretary
Peter Mandelson - Jewish
Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills
First Secretary of State
Lord President of the Council
English get lumbered with the jobs nobody else wants to do...
Jack Straw - English [actually with some Jewish]
Secretary of State for Justice
Lord Chancellor
Alan Johnson - English
Home Secretary
Paul Rudd Drayson - English
Minister of State for Strategic Defence Acquisition Reform
Bob Ainsworth - English
Secretary of State for Defence
"You all forget the Scots!
I drew this up a month ago - UK Government is a Scots/Jewish Mafia. In order for Labour to advance the cause of Scotland and Europe the English must be marginalised."
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The Scots are hoist with their own petard. Mohamed Al Fayed has bought up a 65,000 acre estate in County Sutherland and wants to be the first Scottish president after independence.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091025/en_afp/britainegyptpeoplefayedoffbeat
http://www.alfayed.com/Business%20Interests/Balnagown%20Estates.aspx
Norman Borlaug, Norwegian ancestry...
Quote:
"Many of us have lost the willingness to do grunt work in science and technology".
I submit that it's more of a psychological issue. When a people doesn't have a future (no living space of their own, when they used to have one) there's no point in doing anything. The inner spark in the soul doesn't take off. There's no point in doing anything when you don't own your own future.
Get rid of the immigration, the feminism, the multi-cult, and we'd do it again. We might make it to the stars.
"I submit that it's more of a psychological issue. When a people doesn't have a future (no living space of their own, when they used to have one) there's no point in doing anything. The inner spark in the soul doesn't take off. There's no point in doing anything when you don't own your own future."
You need lebensraum? OK. I have a suggestion for you.
First, let me reiterate that I agree with many of you about the harm done by our current immigration system and I would prefer a different one. But there's little you or I can do about that at the moment, given that elites in both major parties disagree with us. So let me tell you about something you can do right now, if you have the balls and the initiative.
Buy Detroit. Seriously, buy up property in Detroit. They are practically giving it away. Minimum bids of $500 and they can't sell 80% of it.
This is your big chance to hoist the left (and the Bushies) on their own petards. If they had stuck with the old model of stacking poor blacks in heavily subsidized rental units, you wouldn't be able to buy houses in Detroit for $500 today. But they tried to make homeowners of indigent blacks and it exploded spectacularly, giving you a priceless opportunity.
At $500 a house, what's your excuse? If every white Christian in the Steveosphere bought a house there, you could recolonize the city inside of a decade. You could start your own neighborhood watch groups and bring security to your neighborhoods. You could chip in and buy abandoned factories for a pittance. Start your own manufacturing companies. Maybe even build the rocket ships NASA is afraid to build.
If you turn Detroit into a gleaming city again, that would do more to win converts to your side than all the blog posts in the world. Plus, you'd make a fortune in the process.
What do you have to lose?
Fred:
"If every white Christian in the Steveosphere bought a house there, you could recolonize the city inside of a decade."
That's clever, but not workable. If by some miracle enough of us internet loudmouths put our money where our mouth is to do this, the media, the courts, and law enforcement would come down on us with a righteous fury we could never withstand.
Fred has a good idea. Check out this link to look at some Detroit real estate. You can get a nice starter home for a few grand.
http://homes.point2.com/US/Michigan/Wayne-County/Detroit-Real-Estate.aspx
Don't know what the neighbours are like though...
Whiskey:
I already explained to you that women are more anti-immigration than men. You are right though that BNP draws its support from disgruntled Labourites.
Edward:
Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Africans and Carribbeans are not citizens of EU countries.
Middletown Girl,
1) “You left out one HUGE detail. Rise of Hitler in Germany and the spread of Nazism all over Europe sent most of the Jewish scientists to the US. Jewish emigre scientists played a highly crucial role in the scientific, medical, cultural, and economic transformation of America--much of it positive, much of it negative(especially in the social sciences).”
Jews have been emigrating to the United States since the late 1900’s. The are part of the flow from Europe and have made up the traditional European stock of American immigrants. This distinction is one without a difference.
2) “And if you think the only major discoveries from 1965 to 2009 are internet and videogames, you are fool. Just look at the Nobel Prizes in chemisty, physics, and medicine in that period.”
Nobel prizes prove nothing. They’ve been given every for for the last hundred years or so. Someone is bound to win. That is not the point of what I wrote.
The rest of your argument betrays a lack of reading comprehension. My point is that the shift away from European representation in science and engineering toward Chinese/Indian representation in the same has a resulted in a radical lowering of the quality and quantity of scientific advances and scientific revolutions. In other words, where are the incredible technical and scientific discoveries that have changed the world, changed the way we actually live? What is being made today that is just as revolutionary and as ubiquitous as anything that I have listed in my comment? Satellites were invented by white men in the 1950’s. Cellular telephone communications is just wireless radio technology was invented by white men in the 1940’s. Sure, you have improvements. If I gave you 50-60 years, then you should be able to build a better satellite or radio and “Chindu” science seems to do just that. But otherwise, there has not been any great revolution in the sciences ever since these Turd-Worlders took it over.
I mean, look how Intel promotes that Hindu for inventing the USB port. Are you going to tell me this guy is a regular William Shockley?
As for Americans going into non-science fields? Simple: they pay more. Everything is supply and demand. Why should Americans waste their time as physics post-docs making $25,000 a year when they can make three or four times as much working in other fields for a lot less work? Americans aren’t stupid. They know there is no money in science and engineering because they would need to compete with scab immigrant labor for Wal-mart wages. Of course, Wal-mart wages also give you Wal-mart science.
"If by some miracle enough of us internet loudmouths put our money where our mouth is to do this, the media, the courts, and law enforcement would come down on us with a righteous fury we could never withstand."
Just like they cracked down on all the whites who gentrified half of Brooklyn? You think the media, the courts and law enforcement have been cracking down on them? Not so much, it turns out.
Detroit is a glaring embarrassment for liberalism, the Democratic Party, blacks, and diversity. Liberals will never say as much but they will be eternally grateful to you for erasing the eye sore of it. Detroit's current residents can diffuse out into the exurbs and continue to live on government assistance in obscurity. Everyone will be happier with that.
"Don't know what the neighbours are like though..."
You can buy whole city blocks. Heck, if any of you were entrepreneurial, you'd be doing this already, buying these foreclosed houses sight-unseen for $500 a pop, and then selling them for double that to your like-minded friends in the Steveosphere. Part of your pitch would be that these houses are cheap now because they are abandoned/in a 90% black town, but once a critical mass of whites buy in, they will be worth easily 100x more.
Edward:
Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Africans and Carribbeans are not citizens of EU countries.
You need to understand they become EU residents after 5 years (example) when they can do all of the above. The British government does not legal authority over its asylum and immigration policy. We no longer have control over our defence and foreign policy either - the Afghan conflict is a legacy project. Today it all goes through EU.
Please catch up soon.
The British government does not legal authority over its asylum and immigration policy. We no longer have control over our defence and foreign policy either - the Afghan conflict is a legacy project. Today it all goes through EU.
And Labour had no control over that, did they? They couldn't like, say, have held a referendum asking Brits if they wanted to surrender these rights, now could they? You know - like the referendum they promised to hold?
If Britons no longer have control over their immigration policies then it's only because the powers that be, Labour and even many Conservatives, didn't want them to have that power. Both parties are toiling away night and day, in fact, to ensure that voters have no real choice about the matter - Tweedle Dum ad Tweedle Dee at your service.
middletown girl said
> I make a distinction between modernized Pakis who settled nicely into British society and contributed their share of hard work AND those Pakis who arrived later just to leech off welfare and maintain their barbaric customs. You condemn all, I condemn the bad apples. <
This degenerating process is inevitable. It's an example of "reversion to the mean." Say the typical z has an IQ of 92. The first z immigrants are usually smarter people, more daring, more successful; they establish a beachhead (family or social, or both) in the adopted country. People rave about how great and hardworking and smart z's are! Then, the others follow: relatives, friends, friends of relatives, children. While the first immigrants were self-selected high-quality people (from a certain point of view), the quality tends to decline, particularly under "chain" immigration. With enough z's in the country, their IQ average is reestablished. This is why the more z's you have in an area, the more like zland it becomes. (You cannot escape from yourself.) The same holds true of a area filling up with Pakis. Can you simply forbid the "morons" from coming in? No: their burgeoning is an integral part of the process. You let a genius in, you have to let his wife in...and her brother...the brother has a son, so he comes in too...along with the parents and the other inlaws...and their people... After all, you don't want to be denounced by everyone as a cruel Hitlerite, do you.
Imagine an American Indian, circa 1600, muttering "I sorta liked those first palefaces...but the ones coming in lately are bad apples..."
You know, I can't tell when Fred is being serious and when he is being facetious.
Truth(er),
The "Turd-Worlders" may have retarded (returded?) scientific and technological progress, but I'm not so sure that we'd all be vacationing on Mars had science & engineering stayed European for the past few decades. This assumes too much and ignores all kinds of other possible factors. Other people like Ray Kurzweil that similarly make all kinds of assumptions claim that we'll reach the Singularity and achieve human immortality in 20 years.
Also, people that make similar arguments to yours (i.e. the "Turd-Worlders" are ruining science) also seem to argue and even boast that despite the "Turd-World" influx, science is still dominated by Europeans/Euro-Ams, pointing to Nobel counts, top scientific figures, top science department composition etc. So presumably, science and especially top science is still dominated by Europeans/Euro-Ams, and those Euros/Eur-Ams pushed out are marginal cases that went into more highly paying professions such as law, finance, or something. But I'm not convinced that these marginal cases would've made an impact above and beyond the current science and technology.
Frankly, I'm not sure what to believe. People much smarter than I am appear to arrive at different and contradictory positions on this issue.
I do suspect though that the roughly 500 year period of tremendous European advancement from the late Renaissance to the mid-20th Century that we tend to extrapolate from and whose progress we tend to extend into the future is likely to have been a unique event in history, both in light of the "Turd-World" and Europeans, Nordics, European-Americans, etc.
Truth(er) mentioned various supposedly American innovations:
1) Commercialization of the automobile.
2) Commercialization of the aircraft.
3) Radar
4) Rockets
5) Radio
6)Television
7) The Jet Engine
8) Computers
9) The Transistor
10) The Space Program
11) The Microwave Oven
12) DNA Discovery
Well, quite a few of these are not American at all. Radar was British, and so, arguably, was radio (Marconi was a naturalized British subject, and if not regarded as British is Italian; and James Clark Maxwell was British). Television has several fathers, including John Logie Baird, a Scot, and the first regular TV broadcasting service started in Britain in 1936. The jet engine is another British invention, by Frank Whittle. The first computer is partly a matter of definition, but the Colossus of 1943 and the Manchester Mark 1 of 1948 both have strong claims and are both British, as does Konrad Zuse's machine of I think 1942 in Germany. The genetic code of DNA was unravelled in Britain by a Crick (British) and Watson (American) with help from some others.
"The rest of your argument betrays a lack of reading comprehension. My point is that the shift away from European representation in science and engineering toward Chinese/Indian representation in the same has a resulted in a radical lowering of the quality and quantity of scientific advances and scientific revolutions. But otherwise, where is the great revolution in the sciences ever since these Turd-Worlders took it over."
Turd-Worlders? Hmmm.
I don't know, but it seems like we're on the cusp of giant breakthroughs in computers, AI, biogenetics, medicine, nanotechnology, and much else. At any rate, modern discoveries or inventions are generally not the work of ONE man--white or non-white--but a collaborative effort of various peoples working together. I think you just don't like Hindus and Chinese. If all those Hindus and Chinese working at NASA or some research lab were white, you would not be complaining even if the level of achievement had been the same in the past 40 yrs. And, if Hindu or Chinese scientists began to make alarming discoveries, you would complain that that the 'dotheads and chinks' are taking over!!!!! You're not really talking about science but about racial solidarity, and that's fine--as long as you're honest about it.
Anyway, great advances have been made in the past 40 yrs. Furthermore, lots of advances are improvements and refinement of knowledge we already have. True, the combustible engine was invented long ago, but are we to assume that the latest fuel-efficient engine from Honda(those damn 'Japs'!)that's many times more powerful is not a technological advancement--because white guys invented the first one long ago? Are to say that since the Wright Brothers invented the airplance 100 yrs ago, a jumbo jet is no proof of progress or advance since it's just another airplane?
There are many Hindus and Chinese--and others--fine-tuning and improving technologies we have, and that's 99% of progress in science and technology... until someone stumbles upon another major breakthrough. But, the sciences are so specialized and complex nowadays that new inventions will be more collaborative than ever before. We still like the idea of the superstar scientist or theorist--because we like superhero myths--, but in fact, most new stuff will have been the work of many working together, sharing ideas, etc.
And, it's too simplistic to say whites don't go into science or engineering because it doesn't pay as well as finance or etc. Most people who come out of business schools end up managing a corner drug store. Most accountants do okay, not great. A trained engineer or lab scientist makes more money. And then you have lots of white people who go into music, acting, screenwriting, journalism, etc though chance of success is very low and they end up waiting tables or working as office clerks. No, the main reason why whites stay away from science and math is because it's considered 'geeky' and unglamorous in our stupid trashy culture. (I'll admit I stayed away from those fields for the same reason--plus the fact that I've no patience for long hrs of study and no aptitude for brainy stuff). Also, there's less room for BS in science or math. Either you're good or you suck, either you know or you don't know. In other fields, there's more room for BS, charisma, cleverness, getting ahead with handshakes and smiles and connections. Of course, most whites who try to be Gordon Gekkos don't become Gordon Gekkos. They end up as a bunch of Dilberts. But, they prefer picking up a steady paycheck doing relatively easy work than taking on the hard 'geeky' work that requires many years of math and/or engineering.
Fred:
"If every white Christian in the Steveosphere bought a house there, you could recolonize the city inside of a decade."
That's clever, but not workable. If by some miracle enough of us internet loudmouths put our money where our mouth is to do this, the media, the courts, and law enforcement would come down on us with a righteous fury we could never withstand.
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What would law enforcement have to do with it? Is it against the law to have a neighbourhood without diversity? Surely that couldn't be. Wouldn't that go against your constitution or something to have a law like that? I can see you would get in trouble if you refused to sell to certain races, though.
But people of like races just seem to naturally congregate together in neighbourhoods. Around Vancouver the Chinese prefer the suburb of Richmond for some reason, while the folks from the Punjab like Surrey and south Vancouver. The Punjabi folk and other south Asians seem to like living in enormous houses with all their relatives. They build so-called "monster" houses that take up the whole lot practically. I don't know how they can stand living with extended family--it would drive me nuts. But it does help to explain why there is so much domestic violence in that culture.
"But people of like races just seem to naturally congregate together in neighbourhoods."
Look at Mortgage Trends in the U.S. and it's obvious that
the subprime crisis is making neighborhoods whiter:
Market Share*:
2006
Black=8.7%
Hispanic Whites=12.1%
Asians=4.5%
White Non-Hispanics=62.7%
2008
Black=6.3%
Hispanic Whites=8.5%
Asians=4.9%
White Non-Hispanics=69.1%
Considering the Foreclosure crisis is disproportionately
impacting blacks and hispanics neighborhoods are definitely
becoming less diverse.
*Source: The Federal Reserve HMDA Data Report:
See the PDF article:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/bulletin/2009/default.htm
"Just like they cracked down on all the whites who gentrified half of Brooklyn?"
Tell me, was the gentrification of Brooklyn accomplished by a white supremacist conspiracy hatched in the darkest crevices of the internet and driven by hate and an insatiable hunger for "lebensraum?" If you really don't see the difference, try it and we'll find out. I know where I'd bet. I'd almost be tempted to write the New Yorker article blowing the lid off the whole thing myself.
MIddletown Girl: I'll admit I stayed away from those fields for the same reason--plus the fact that I've no patience for long hrs of study and no aptitude for brainy stuff.
Ah c'mon, M-Girl. Informing yourself on this issue, instead of parroting the cheap-labor lobby press releases that pass for reporting these days, isn't rocket-science. All it takes is a moderate amount of time, patience, and smarts, and being more interested in knowing what you're talking about than hearing yourself talk.
What would law enforcement have to do with it? Is it against the law to have a neighbourhood without diversity?
Pretty much, yes. At least if the neighbourhood in question is white. The Obama JD is going after some neighbourhood near White Plains, NY for not being diverse (non-white) enough.
"Just like they cracked down on all the whites who gentrified half of Brooklyn?"
Google "Whitopia". Some guy already blew the whistle on your idea
The basic point that I am trying to make is that when the science and engineering fields were dominated by Anglos and Europeans, you had, in the 20th century alone, revolutionary advances in sciences and technology, advances that were eventually seamlessly integrated into everyday life. These advances came along with "gradual improvements in existing technology" and "Nobel prizes."
(Note: the American immigration experience is just a rhetorical device. The same argument applies to the rest of the Anglosphere and Europe.)
Middletown girl claims that science is gradual improvements. That's partly true. What is also true is that the gradual improvements also come with the incredible life-altering discoveries. As of the last 40 years, when science and engineering is now a largely "Chindu" enterprise, we are seeing none of these life-altering discoveries.
Oh sure...there are interesting papers and proposals in exotic fields like nanotechnology. But nothing approaching a working prototype. We have just a bunch of puzzles and Rubiks cubes. And in the long run, nobody cares if you can solve a Rubik's cube.
It's also amazing how you dismiss the value of incentives in science and engineering. In the 40's, 50's and 60's, an engineer at Lockheed's "Skunkworks", or a professor of physics at Harvard had no problem earning enough money to raise his family in the comfortable middle class. Today, a physics post-doc makes $25,000 a year. How do yu raise a family on that? You can't. You could make more money as a manager at Wal-mart than a post-doc in physics. That's the problem.
Also, keep in mind that I am talking about the subset of people capable of doing advanced science, engineering and math. These people have choices. If the choice is between $25,000 a year as a physicist or $180,000 a year as a quant on Wall Street or as a lawyer, what do you think most people will choose?
Low-quality science is the result of regression toward the mean. The more Chindus enter the field, the more the population will represent the average that exists in their respective countries.
I don;t hate Chindus. I think they belong in their own countries where they can be as "Chindu-ee" as they like.
Truth(er), there is a land that has an extremely negligible amount of Chinese and Hindus, and a whole lot of white people: It's called Europe. Where are all the major breakthroughs?
Truth(er), there is a land that has an extremely negligible amount of Chinese and Hindus, and a whole lot of white people: It's called Europe. Where are all the major breakthroughs?
What is your point?
> it's obvious that
the subprime crisis is making neighborhoods whiter <
I'm willing to bet it's doing so after having made those neighborhoods less white during the "up" phase.
Ministers hoped to change the country radically and 'rub the Right's nose in diversity'. But Mr Neather said senior Labour figures were reluctant to discuss the policy, fearing it would alienate its 'core working-class vote'.
NO SH_T !
"No, the main reason why whites stay away from science and math is because it's considered 'geeky' and unglamorous in our stupid trashy culture. (I'll admit I stayed away from those fields for the same reason--plus the fact that I've no patience for long hrs of study and no aptitude for brainy stuff)."
If you've no aptitude for brainy stuff, then YOUR reason for "staying away" from science and math, whether it's considered geeky or too many long hours of study or anything else, is irrelevant. Without the braininess, science and math would have kept YOU out.
Smart White American kids are discouraged from math and science because they see that the Asian advantage, small as it is, at the top levels of achievement means it's virtually all Asians. The gas goes out of 'em, and they simply, reasonably, conclude they should apply their prodigious talents where the chances of actually making it to the top are greater.
Look at the makeup of the Nationals competitors for MathCOUNTS, for instance. Huge overrepresentation of Asians. MathCOUNTS is a middle-school enrichment program to encourage kids in math achievement, started by White engineers. The first winner, in the 1980s, was a White kid. Since? Not so much.
The kids of the H1B Asian professors have essentially commandeered the highest levels. A smart White kid in California, who is very, very close, will still get edged out and miss out on the fun trip that Nationals is. In middle school such a reality makes a very deep impression.
"Chindu"
ROTFLMAO
Let's think up some other clever neologisms.
Blewish Alliance: Black-Jewish Alliance.
Funstreet: Partnership of Fundamentalist Christians and Wall Street money changers.
Junglo, as in Jungle Anglo: basically white people into black or African culture--Marley, Rap, and Afropop.
Gasp: Gay-Wasp dalliance. Lots of that in our PC culture.
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By the way, the very fact that white guys lost so much power and prestige means there's something deficient about their society, culture, and values, no? And your simple-minded bitter but child-like fixation on some nostalgic arcadia is part of the problem. Dream all you want about some fantasy past where everyone white person was perfect, a genius, and had lots of dough(even Michael Moore said so).
Once, the Greeks were geniuses at everything. But then, they did nothing remarkable for over a 1000 yrs. Well, looks like people all have ups and downs.
And, your scapegoating Chindus for all the problems is just another variation of Hitlerims, whose sole explanation of history was 'Aryans were great but then mixed with the darkies and met their doom'. Your chindu fixation is just a variation of this: white Aryan geniuses were overwhelmed by darkie chindu fakers and imitators. It used to be said by the Nazis that Jews could only imitate but could not CREATE anything. Now, chindus are the new Jews?
Btw, I think most Hindus feel closer to Jews than to Chinese, so how about HinJews?
Truther...
Once the Greeks were great at lots of things, then Romans were great at lots of things. Chinese were once great at lots of things. For awhile Arabs were great at lots of things. Northern Europe was a late-comer but they surged ahead of everyone else. Britain was at forefront of much progress. Then came Germany and US. Few nations have sustained greatness over a long period--both in arts and movies. When was the last time Greeks made anything truly great in the arts? Where did the genius go? Will there be another Italian renaissance? Why was Japanese cinema great in the 50s and 60s but turn to crap since the 70s? Why was German cinema the best in the world the 20s but turn to crap with the rise of Nazis and never recover? I dunno, but I suspect much of the decline is internal.
Eventually, there is a loss of cultural and/or economic hunger that once drove ambition and competition. Look at families. Men with ruthless ambition and bold vision build a fortune, but the kids and grandkids squander it in decadence and luxury. (I suspect one of the reasons why Wasps lost out to Jews is that Wasps either got TOO RESPECTABLE, TOO SHELTERED, OR TOO DECADENT. Respectable people don't wanna get down n dirty to win and prefer to lose with honor than win by locking horns. Sheltered rich also lack the guts and fervor to get into the grudge match ring. Decadent types are hopeless. Sure, they have trust funds and enjoy socialite privileges but they are holding onto than conquering new territory. Jews have attained grat wealth and privileges too, but there is an element in Jewish mindset and culture that is restless, anxious, paranoid, nomadic, cunning, subversive, etc. No matter how rich or successful a Jew becomes, he feels surrounded by goyim who wanna do him harm. He always feels like the underdog who might lose everything; this is the necessary fuel to gain more power, more wealth, and not lose out to stuffy respectability or decadence. The rich WASP gentile, in contrast, feels as though his position and priivlege are secure--even when much of his power and privilege slips away. Because WASPS once did have tremendous power and privilege--and dominance through money, politics, and numbers--, they see themselves as the permanent power elite(if only in the spiritual sense) whose main goal today is to be apologetic, guilt-ridden, and 'progressive'. Jews are all-powerful in Hollywood, but a goy like Robert Redford acts like an unjustly privileged wasp who must be nice and kind to the oppressed Jews, blacks, and Mexicans!! Jewish progressivism goes on the accusatory. Wasp progressivism is apologetic. Those with guilt and remorse are filled with doubt and paralysis. Jews act as the aggressive psycho-analyist of the wasps, the clients filled with doubt and shame--for their power and privilege. So, Jews don't lose the HUNGER even when they become powerful and rich.)
Americans used to be much hungrier in the past. Eventually, too many people got used to the GOOD LIFE and MANNA FROM GOVERNMENT OR CORPORATE LARGESSE. Same thing happened to Japan. Japanese were hungry for food, success, power, and revenge-via-economics after WWII. By the late 1980s, the Japanese wanted easy money through speculation in stockmarket and real estaste. Kids got addicted to videogames and comic books. Japan's been going downhill ever since.
douchbag said...
"Name some things Germany has done in the last 50 years or so?"
Scanning tunneling microscope?
Mössbauer effect?
Giant magnetoresistance?
Also, off the top of my head, the CD was invented jointly by Dutch (Philips) and Japanese (Sony).
-leek
"If you turn Detroit into a gleaming city again, that would do more to win converts to your side than all the blog posts in the world."
LOL.. I thought whites have already done that at the country level 50 years ago. But let's say a bunch of whites really do turn Detroit around... how are they going to keep it white?
What follows is just the usual:
(a) First they will lose control of their financial institutions
(b) Then the media
(c) Then the politicians will be corrupted
(d) Then the children will be taught that whites are uniquely evil
(e) Then a mass wave of non-whites will relieve the white population of its new found Detroit privileges
It really is a generic formula...
Jeff said...
"This story attests to the power and importance of the racism charge to the left.
Picture a group of Labour politicians itching to call Conservatives racists. How to do it?..."
A light goes on! Thanks, Jeff.
The original report more or less said that, but I needed it spelled out a bit more. What does the first part of "to rub the Right's nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date" mean, from the point of view of politically influential people seeing potential rewards in this game?
Sometimes the simplest explanations are best.
Not for the broad support for mass immigration. Katherine Betts is right on that, and always has been.
But for what political activists were up to, and I know the type ... yep, dead on.
Plus, they take pleasure in seeing their political opponents as prejudiced and thus socially inferior to them, and they take that fantasy as reality.
(Think of the way Kerry and Edwards went after Dick Cheney's GAY! DAUGHTER!! on the assumption that this would hurt him with conservatives. This was based on a progressive fantasy about conservatives as easily manipulated and unforgiving gay-hating hicks that was so sweet to the progressive politicians that they took it for reality.)
From this point of view, non-lefties must be racists whose feelings would be outraged by the sight of non-whites, and since those non-lefties are vile just by being non-leftie (and white) it's a source of pious self-satisfaction to good progressives to wound their feelings; which could be done by flooding the country with non-whites, till conservatives were all in a helpless rage, lost in a new country in which their traditions and arguments wouldn't apply.
But for people who live for formulaic political attacks and their successful application, it's the prospect of goading conservatives into a reaction and then using the "RAAAAACISM!" charge that would seal the deal.
> senior Labour figures were reluctant to discuss the policy, fearing it would alienate its 'core working-class vote'. <
Another reason to go BNP...
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