The Editorial Page Editor of the New York Times writes in the NYT:
The Boston Bombing and Immigration
By ANDREW ROSENTHAL
In the days since the Boston marathon attack, a number of Republican lawmakers have demanded a delay in immigration reform because the two bombers were fairly recent immigrants.
Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky wrote to Majority Leader Harry Reid on April 22 to say:
“We should not proceed until we understand the specific failures of our immigration system. Why did the current system allow two individuals to immigrate to the United States from the Chechen Republic in Russia, an area known as a hotbed of Islamic extremism, who then committed acts of terrorism? Were there any safeguards? Could this have been prevented? Does the immigration reform before us address this?”
Actually, neither brother immigrated from Chechnya. The ethnically Chechen Tsarnaevs came here from neighboring Dagestan. And when did the United States start excluding immigrants from dangerous places? Seems to me that they fall into the categories of “huddled masses yearning to breathe free,” not to mention “wretched refuse” of teeming shores and the “homeless, tempest-tossed.”
Ancestor worship / ethnocentric kitsch.
I wasn't actually aware that Emma Lazarus's 1883 poem legally dictates 21st Century immigration policy.
I wasn't actually aware that Emma Lazarus's 1883 poem legally dictates 21st Century immigration policy.
Personally, I thought the more legally relevant general mission statement is the following:
“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
And I'm having a hard time figuring out how the Tsarnaevs promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.
Furthermore, in answer to Rosenthal's question, "And when did the United States start excluding immigrants from dangerous places?"
One answer appears to be that the Obama Administration has a fairly general policy of excluding males from Chechnya. (The Tsarnaevs got in under Bush.) From USA Today on April 19, 2013:
Few Chechen immigrants make it to U.S.
There are probably fewer than about 200 Chechen immigrants in the United States, and most of them are settled in the Boston area, as many U.S. cities have refused to accept asylum applicants from the war-torn area of southern Russia, says Glen Howard, president of the Jamestown Foundation.
About 70% of the Chechen immigrants are women, Howard says. Very few men are granted asylum because of U.S. anti-terrorism policies and because Russia often protests when ethnic Chechens try to settle in the U.S., he said. The U.S. admitted only 197 refugees from all of Russia in 2012.
That contrasts with many European countries, especially Austria, where many Chechens who want to leave difficult conditions at home settle. Austria has about 30,000 Chechen immigrants, Howard said.
"This family is a very rare episode. Very few make it here, even fewer get green cards," Howard said. The Jamestown Foundation has testified on behalf of several ethnic Chechens who have applied for asylum in the United States, which is typically a three- to five-year process. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the remaining suspect in the Boston marathon bombing, is a naturalized U.S. citizens.
President Obama has tried to "restart" U.S. relations with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has maintained a tough policy on Chechen insurgents. The U.S. also wants to maintain a key military supply line to Afghanistan known as the "northern route," which runs across Central Asia and southern Russia.
Immigrating from Chechnya is particularly difficult because there are several groups on the U.S. Department of Treasury terrorism list, such as Islamic International Brigade, the Special Purpose Islamic Regiment and the Riyadus-Salikhin Battalion, which were implicated in the Moscow theater hostage bombing of 202 that killed 129, including an American.
So, congratulations to the Obama Administration for having a fairly sensible policy of largely discriminating against Chechens trying to get in to our country.
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Wretched refuse — Feel free to reprint or pass around:
http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2013/04/wretched-refuse.html
One answer appears to be that the Obama Administration has a fairly general policy of excluding males from Chechnya.
Women also carry the genes for bad behavior, even if expressed less often. However, they can and do pass them on to their male offspring creating problems for the next generation.
But America is a proposition nation. These people are only wretched refuse until they get off the plane.
Actually, neither brother immigrated from Chechnya. The ethnically Chechen Tsarnaevs came here from neighboring Dagestan.
Oohhhhh, excuse me Mr. Exactitude!
FFS.
And when did the United States start excluding immigrants from dangerous places?
Dip$#!^, that's what's on the table. Jewish IQ sure seems to drop to room temp when they want it to, dunnit?
Seems to me that they fall into the categories of “huddled masses yearning to breathe free,” not to mention “wretched refuse” of teeming shores and the “homeless, tempest-tossed.”
Great. A Jew writes a poem, another Jew gets it tacked onto the Statue of Liberty, and another Jew writes about it in the NYT like it's in the bloody Constitution or something.
Let Israel take them in.
Let Israel take them in.
Let Israel take them in.
It was the Obama Adminsitration's FBI that allowed Tsarnaev to remain after discovering he had visited numerous extremist websites.
This family came to the US after 9/11 but before the September 2004 Beslan Massacre. It would be interesting to know whether Bush's policies changed after the Massacre and if Obama's are just a continuation of a post-Beslan policy.
Ah, Emma Lazarus and the poem on the statue of liberty! Just the sort of person to whom we should mindlessly turn over all our thinking on the immigration issue:
"She is an important forerunner of the Zionist movement. She argued for the creation of a Jewish homeland thirteen years before Theodor Herzl began to use the term Zionism."
Yes, clearly she was all about the good ol' USA and what's best for the USA.
Seems to me that they fall into the categories of “huddled masses yearning to breathe free,” not to mention “wretched refuse” of teeming shores and the “homeless, tempest-tossed.”
Ancestor worship / ethnocentric kitsch.
I wasn't actually aware that Emma Lazarus's 1883 poem legally dictates 21st Century immigration policy.
Yeah, I couldn't find those categories in the immigration provisions of the U.S. Code.
The people who are bent on displacing the American people from their homeland have no respect for our laws or Constitution.
Emma Lazarus, by the way, was a rabid Zionist. What's yours if mine; what is mine is not yours.
It was the Obama Adminsitration's FBI that allowed Tsarnaev to remain after discovering he had visited numerous extremist websites.
Should people who are here legally be deported based on what they read? Should American citizens or residents be stripped of their citizenship or residency based on what they read and what the U.S. government deems "extremist."
If the next Muslim terrorists strike a synagogue or other Jewish-identified target, now this would really set the cat among the pigeons. Would an idiot like Rosenthal still go through the contortions of justifying non-selective immigration?
What if we built a taller statue with a bigger tablet that said "GTFO". Would be expensive, though.
But Pit-Bulls are nice loving dogs who are not a danger to society if cared properly.
Doesn't Mexico have a huge problem?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNRBajLM8_4
"She is an important forerunner of the Zionist movement. She argued for the creation of a Jewish homeland thirteen years before Theodor Herzl began to use the term Zionism."
Now that I did not know.
She is the ultimate symbol of Jewish "ethnocentrism for me, universalism for thee".
Anonymous said:
"Should people who are here legally be deported based on what they read? Should American citizens or residents be stripped of their citizenship or residency based on what they read and what the U.S. government deems "extremist.""
Lots of bad questions and straw man propositions, "anonymous." Too obvious, not even worth bothering with. I don't know if you're stupid, or you think the people reading are stupid. Perhaps both. Try being more specific next time.
dave
"Austria has about 30,000 Chechen immigrants"
what exactly is the definition of immigrant? do their children born in austria count?
"But Pit-Bulls are nice loving dogs who are not a danger to society if cared properly."
Except that this is actually true.
The Muslim terrorists tend to lash out when they are personally treated pretty well throughout their lives. Pits need to be chained, beaten, starved, fed puppy meat and forced to fight one another in order to become psychologically damaged enough to lash out. Adopt a rescued dog with severe PTSD at your own risk. A pit raised in an average home is no more likely to bite than a lab. Most of these terrorists don't have PTSD. They just want to be famous and feel special.
This is a good example of how, practically speaking, the Democrats tend to be slightly less insane than the Republicans. Whem Obama & Holder support the New Black Panthers it's because they like the New Black Panthers. When Bush effectively supports Islamist terrorists it's because he's basically crazy, driven mad by Neoconnery.
Steve, you are in the zone right now. It's like in baseball when the pitches look like beach balls instead of aspirins. Keep the coffee pot boiling and pump out the work until well runs dry.
If the next Muslim terrorists strike a synagogue or other Jewish-identified target, now this would really set the cat among the pigeons. Would an idiot like Rosenthal still go through the contortions of justifying non-selective immigration?
Yes.
"It's like in baseball when the pitches look like beach balls instead of aspirins."
Yup.
Doesn't Mexico have a huge problem with murderous gangs?
How many refugees go back to the old country when they are granted citizenship that they were fleeing from owing to persecution?
It is something Cuban-Americans never do.
The insanity of this "government" is not insanity. It's treason. I've come to conclusion that Americans are not in charge, that this started with the JFK assassination (yes, it was a coup), and since then presidents have been progressively less interested in promoting anything that would enhance the pride of Americans in their own country. I hated Reagan when he was president, but he may have been the closest to some sort of pro-American pov, but look what almost happened to him.
Compare JKF's challenge to things "because they are hard" (whether he wrote that or not, you felt he sincerely believed it when he said it), and then listen (if you have the stomach) to Obama's groveling "I'm sorry America exists." How that sock puppet got into the White House should be the final proof for anyone who doubts American presidents are pre-selected. You can't object to anything that empty headed clown does without being called a "racist." That's why he's there; Russians I know, knew he'd be elected years before he was although they only said "black" president.
Emma Lazarus, by the way, was a rabid Zionist.
Is there such a thing as a non-rabid Zionist in your world?
She is the ultimate symbol of Jewish "ethnocentrism for me, universalism for thee".
Except she was American and lived in America.
How many refugees go back to the old country when they are granted citizenship that they were fleeing from owing to persecution?
i work in this field and i would estimate 90 percent easily. after entering as refugee or being granter asylum you can adjust to lpr after 1 yr. after that (and often even before that) you can travel back to the terrible, treacherous homeland all you like with your only penalty being perhaps a sour look from the CBP inspector who has no choice but to bang you in upon your return. what a country indeed....
Except she was American and lived in America.
She was an "American" Jew. "European" Jewry sides with the Muslims. Living in a barn doesn't make you a horse. Before 1948, pretty much all the Zionists lived outside the Levant.
Is there such a thing as a non-rabid Zionist in your world?
Sure. Dick Cheney, the NYT, Tom Brokaw, etc.
She is the ultimate symbol of Jewish "ethnocentrism for me, universalism for thee".
Except she was American and lived in America.
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How does that refute her ethnocentrism and hypocritical anti-white politics?
In the interest of keeping NYT A. Rosenthals distinct I would now like to point out this is the author of the bogus supermarket-scanner story about George H.W. Bush, not the Canadian editor who was himself an illegal alien.
She is the ultimate symbol of Jewish "ethnocentrism for me, universalism for thee".
Except she was American and lived in America.
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How does that refute her ethnocentrism and hypocritical anti-white politics?
In fairness, when she wrote that poem, immigration was from Europe. And she, and the rest of America, could never imagine non-white immigration. (possibly some orientals)
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