Commenter Portlander has been following the crackerjack battle of wits that is the murder trial of George Zimmerman, and observes, "This whole trial has been a peek at the US's post-racial future ..."
It has not been an edifying experience, which may help explain why Portlander's a Portlander, and why the national prestige press has been losing interest rapidly. They really need Aaron Sorkin to punch up the witnesses' lines.
Portlander has watched the testimony of the prosecution's star Haitian-American ear-witness so you can jump right to the most scintillating repartee:
Alright, you all owe me. Here's the link to the video. Yuk-yuk's start a little after 7:00.
"Creepy white ... [something] ... creepy ass cracker" comes after 8:00. I can't make it out, but I'm told the [something] was "a creepy white assed kill your neighbors cracker." Is "kill your neighbors" a thing? What does that mean?
Update: New best guess is "Creepy white assed -- 'scuse my language -- cracker."
Sounds like Trayvon was already feeling a bit hostile toward George Zimmerman. Judging by his comments, was the fight started as a racist and/or homophobic hate crime on the part of Trayvon?
"Rapist" banter starts closer to 9:20. Lasts about 2 minutes. "[N-word] still following me" comes in at about 13:30.
In general, the prestige press hasn't been terribly interested in the multi-racial lumpenprole world that is evolving in places like Florida and Texas: Idiocracy 500 years early.
It wasn't supposed to happen like this. It all sounds so much more sophisticated in theory. For example, David Brooks yesterday explained the conventional wisdom in the NYT:
A Nation of Mutts
By DAVID BROOKS
Over the past few decades, American society has been transformed in a fit of absence of mind. First, we’ve gone from a low immigrant nation to a high immigrant nation. If you grew up between 1950 and 1985, you grew up at a time when only about 5 percent or 6 percent of American residents were foreign born. Today, roughly 13 percent of American residents are foreign born, and we’re possibly heading to 15 percent. ...
Soon, we will no longer be an outpost of Europe, but a nation of mutts, a nation with hundreds of fluid ethnicities from around the world, intermarrying and intermingling. Americans of European descent are already a minority among 5-year-olds. European-Americans will be a minority over all in 30 years at the latest, and probably sooner.
If enacted, the immigration reform bill would accelerate these trends. It would further increase immigration levels. According to the Census Bureau, roughly 20 million immigrants will come to this country under current law. The Congressional Budget Office expects another 16 million under the new provisions.
It would boost the rise of non-Europeans. Immigration would be more global. Hispanics are now projected to make up 30 percent of the U.S. population by 2050. We would hit that mark sooner with reform.
In other words, immigration reform won’t transform America. It will just speed up the arrival of a New America that is already guaranteed.
If you find yourself in a hole, dig faster.
... Let’s make some educated guesses about what the New America will look like. It will almost certainly be economically dynamic. Immigration boosts economic dynamism, and more immigration would boost it more. There would also be a lot of upward striving. Immigrant groups tend to work harder than native groups. They save more. They start business at higher rates than natives.
Oh, boy ... Notice how diversity is the enemy of making intelligent distinctions. The more diversity, the more things we aren't allowed to think about, such as the distinction in average behavior between legal and illegal immigrants. Starting a business of standing on the street corner selling oranges is not exactly the same as founding Intel.
... we’re seeing high rates of intermarriage. This creates large numbers of hybrid individuals, biracial or triracial people with names like Enrique Cohen-Chan.
This is largely an East Coast fantasy about the future. For my entire life, Los Angeles has had numerous Mexicans, Jews, and Chinese, but I don't recall seeing a name like this. Jews and Chinese are common (e.g., Amy Chua's kids), but the offspring of marriages of Jews and Mexican-Americans are vanishingly rare in Los Angeles.
Think about that. Jews and Mexicans shared the Boyle Heights neighborhood east of downtown L.A. a century ago: yet, there's not much mixing over the last four generations. The Mexicans are still stuck in Boyle Heights, but the Jews have moved on. The last old Jewish man in Boyle Heights died last January.
You'll notice that Brooks doesn't actually have an example of anybody prominent with a Mexican-American and Jewish names.
Yes, there are prominent Jews in Mexico City's elite, like historian Enrique Krauze and cinematographer Emmanuel Lubezki, but I'm talking about Mexican-Americans and Jews getting together in Los Angeles. In case you are wondering, comedian Louis CK is relatively Mexico City elite on his half Jewish-half Mexican father's side (his parents met at Harvard).
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On the whole, this future is exciting. The challenge will be to create a global civilization that is, at the same time, distinctly American. Immigration reform or not, the nation of mutts is coming.
It sounds vibrant.
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What the fuck is "It will almost certainly be economically dynamic. Immigration boosts economic dynamism"???
Is this some kind of sick joke? I sure as hell don't find it funny.
The future of America ought to be pretty interesting. I'm sure we'll get a taste of it a few hours after the acquittal.
What the fuck is "It will almost certainly be economically dynamic. Immigration boosts economic dynamism"???
It means that David Brooks-Americans will never have to worry about people like WASPs keeping them out of elite colleges and economic niches they covet. They will be monopolized by David Brooks-Americans.
This sounds like the Onion. Brooks sounds like a fucking moron. No way Zimmerman gets off too much at stake. If he does the feds will get him. King riots all over again.
"The last Jewish individual in Boyle Heights died about a half year ago." I am guessing that you are not referring to my friend Sam.
But actually, Boyle Heights is gentrifying. Young white artist types looking for cheap rent with excellent transit access. (metro and freeway)
Boyle Heights is a rising hipster neighborhood. In 20 years, you'll think you're in Silverlake (except Silverlake will be even more gentrified and no hipsters will live there anymore.
"I Don’t Feel Your Pain
A failure of empathy perpetuates racial disparities."
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/06/racial_empathy_gap_people_don_t_perceive_pain_in_other_races.html
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Let’s do a quick experiment. You watch a needle pierce someone’s skin. Do you feel this person’s pain? Does it matter if the person’s skin is white or black?
For many people, race does matter, even if they don’t know it. They feel more empathy when they see white skin pierced than black. This is known as the racial empathy gap. To study it, researchers at the University of Milano-Bicocca showed participants (all of whom were white) video clips of a needle or an eraser touching someone’s skin. They measured participants’ reactions through skin conductance tests—basically whether their hands got sweaty—which reflect activity in the pain matrix of the brain. If we see someone in pain, it triggers the same network in our brains that’s activated when we are hurt. But people do not respond to the pain of others equally. In this experiment, when viewers saw white people receiving a painful stimulus, they responded more dramatically than they did for black people.
The racial empathy gap helps explain disparities in everything from pain management to the criminal justice system. But the problem isn’t just that people disregard the pain of black people. It’s somehow even worse. The problem is that the pain isn’t even felt."
Plenty of Jewish-Latino mixing in Los Angeles, just like there are plenty of Latino and non-Jewish white mixing. Just not much in the elite. Then again, very little of L.A.'s elite is Southern Californian. The entertainment biz is run by Easterners, as it has always been.
"It will almost certainly be economically dynamic. Immigration boosts economic dynamism"
Somebody needs a proofreader.
Clearly having diverse students like Jeantel not only enhances the education of other students in her classes, but enhances education so much that it is a "compelling state interest" we have her enhancing their education!
Haiti thankfully is a top-10 source of immigrants to the United States, with has 419,000 Haitian-born residents, and of course many more children.
Haitian immigration is so wonderful that in October 1998, when Republicans controlled both the House and Senate, Congress passed a special law to increase it, called the Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act. CIS estimates this law increased Haitian immigration over its baseline by 125,000 people, and by providing amnesty to others, encouraged them to stay, have more children like Jeantel, and sign up for state and federal bennies.
Haiti is not the only intellectual powerhouse on the list of the USA's top immigrant sources. Also on the list is Mexico (#1), the Dominican Republican (#5), Cuba (#6), Colombia (#9), Iraq (#11), Jamaica (#12) El Salvador (#13), Bangladesh (#14) and Pakistan (#16).
The top European country is the UK at #22, a couple spots behind Nigeria at #20, where the natives spend their days hard at work stooped over their lab benches, their evenings at the opera or symphony, and their nights debating the timeless questions of philosophy.
if David Brooks really "shadow-reads" you than he is trolling your ass gleefully at this point
The Divided States of America, in 25 Charts
"As America approaches its 237th birthday, it's feeling quite a bit more 'pluribus' than 'unum'...."
gee, i wonder why?
I always find the idea of "the American mutt" so fascinating, because from my own anecdotal experience, it's not what is happening and what has happened in my own large family. Suffice to say, some marry white and become progressively more white over time, except for the token Hawaiian names. Some go local moke, and I mostly avoid them because they annoy me and we have nothing in common. As much as I hate to dilute the blood, I will probably marry white and have phenotypically white children... who I will saddle with long Hawaiian names so they don't forget where they came from.
Brooks, you're a hopeless idiot. I would have thought, reading Steve as you do, that you'd be up on the social science data by now, that you'd realize how tens of millions of the vibrant will take more than they give....for ever and ever really, not just a few generations.
David, have you kept up with reading the hard science stuff about human biodiversity? What you'll find in reading about genetics and evolutionary biology will suddenly make the social science data understandable.
Do it, David. Don't hang on to the blank slate lunacy.
"Enrique Cohen-Chan"
Leroy Patel Berkowicz.
I have a funny feeling that Brooks' version of America looks a lot like Brazil. Virtually pure white parasitic upper class, small mostly-white, Asian, and foreign-born middle class, gigantic coffee-colored lower class, economy based on consumer credit and corruption. I mean, hell, this talk of economic dynamism is just democracia racial in American terms.
"Immigration increases economic dynamism".
You hear phrases like this bandied about all the time. It is important to try and analyze, in plain English, what it is actually trying to say.
In an discipline that ever pretends to be a 'science', precision in definitions and axioms is the absolute vital key to the subject, the building-blocks, if you will, of what the discipline is built on. Sorry, but catch-phrases will just not do, this is the difference between a serious, objective investigation, based on fact and evidence, and the bar-room bore speaking off the top of his head.
What the Hell is 'economic dynanism' anyway?, how do you measure it?, what metrics are used to measure and quantify it?, how do you prove that immigrants somehow possess this precious mojo and the hoi-poloi do not?
Loose thinking is no substitute for objectivity.
Wow, too bad all us creepy crackers won't be around to enjoy the "exciting" future!
Viva Shalom Allahu'akbar!!! Or something.
Y'forgot about teenage Moshe Kai.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Moshe-Kai-UCLA-Graduate-15-Year-Old-Boy-211602371.html
Asians and Jews do a whole lotta mixing. As a Jew myself I should note how odd the whole business seems (for a people afraid of the alien, you'd think more of us would be phobic of folk who actually LOOK like the Grey himself) but out in Caliland apparently it happens pretty often.
Spike man, with a name like Gomes, you ain't fooling anyone. You're Portugee thru and thru.
"To study it, researchers at the University of Milano-Bicocca showed participants (all of whom were white)"
Heh, I can imagine why they didn't include any black participants in that particular experiment.
""Immigration boosts economic dynamism"""
Yes, we saw this during the housing bubble, strawberry pickers buying $700,000 houses is very economically dynamic. All fueled by very dynamic credit default swaps, derivatives and leveraging 50 to 1
The world according to David Brooks:
1. The term "minority" is "bogus".
2. We're all becomming "mutts"(which sounds really trashy) except that we are not.
3. If this is so exciting then why is, say, the Jewish community so obsessed with intermarriage?
The last point kept going through my head as I read his bizarre column. And it's not just the Jewish community. There's been an intense backlash against intermarriage among Asians, and the NYT even does puff pieces promoting intra-marriage among Asians these days.
The more diverse we become, the more separated we become.
Also, notice the glee running from his mouth as he predicts intra-ethnic doom among the NAMs.
Also notice how his gleeful wish undercuts his propaganda point. If they're all becomming mixed, then why would inter-ethnic tension remain?
Finally, the mixed population of America today stands at about 3%.
That means 97% of us are non-mixed.
Conclusion: David Brooks is an idiot.
If anyone had made any of this up, they would have been publicly garotted for hate-speech.
Anon.
This is a serious question: why do jews have such enthusiasm for making america - (and europe they have been at the vangaurd of this in sweden) vibrant, dynamic, etc?
"...when viewers saw white people receiving a painful stimulus, they responded more dramatically than they did for black people."
There used to be a stereotype that blacks don't feel pain as strongly as whites. I'v seen authors as disparate as Nietzsche and P.J. O'Rourke mention it.
How much of this was whites having relatively low empathy for blacks and how much of this was whites noticing that blacks have relatively low sensitivity to pain? That I don't know. Blacks do have a lower attention span than whites. Perhaps that's helpful in pain management. Distractions decrease the perceived severity of pain.
***BEEP*** Thinking askew. ***BEEP*** Thinking askew.
Thank God for the GOP controlled House or this nightmare scenario would be a reality.
I told someone offline that Rachel was a glimpse into America's future, a functionally illiterate 19 year old high school junior. She is not alone heck she's probably ranked in the middle of her class.
Someone needs to speak up and risk being branded a racist to fight this nonsense. Some wealthy individual who actually cared about America should have came to Jason Richwine's aid. (is there somewhere to donate to him?)
"Trayvon trial showcases future of America"
No one in this thread seems to be making the point that TRIALS THEMSELVES can't work when they are asked to accommodate participants like Rachel Jeantel - even if she weren't lying through her teeth [being unable to READ from the letter she ostensibly WROTE for the prosecution, because she can't READ cursive, even though she ostensibly WROTE cursive to produce the letter], the mumbling coming out of her mouth doesn't even constitute any sort of a coherent consistent collection of well-formed sentences.
Setting aside all the overtly obvious duplicity and the lies and the fantasizing, what remains is nothing but gibberish and nonsense.
I mean, let's face it - the poor girl isn't nearly intelligent enough to memorize the lies which she was asked to tell [and the negro "advisers" who instructed her to tell the lies aren't intelligent enough to make the set of lies internally self-consistent].
The really scary thing, though, is that if you listen to the negro callers to e.g. Sean Hannity's radio show, or read the negro commentators [and Axelrodian negro-apologetic astroturfers] at the various mainstream websites, you realize that they're all swallowing "it", hook, line and sinker.
Whatever "it" is.
The more I see of human behavior, the more I'm coming to feel that there really is something to Calvin's theory of predestinationism - that most people at most times in history simply lack the intellectual and moral wherewithal to live as free people in a free society of limited government and the rule of law.
In fact, the more I think about it, the more I feel as though Calvin largely anticipated the bulk of Darwin's work some three centuries later.
And it's a tragedy that the Frankfurt School has done such a bang-up job of eviscerating our edumakashun system.
Because if Americans [and Westerners in general] still read Calvin and Darwin, then after watching the "testimony" of a Rachel Jeantel - the ceaseless stream of obvious lies and mumbled incoherent gibberish - the tautology of the Calvinist-Darwinian analysis would be obvious.
Although, in fairness to most Red State Americans, I think it is obvious to them.
It's just not clear to me whether it's obvious to all the SWPL Hipster [would-be] Nihilists who swallowed the Blue Pill.
"[N-word] still following me"
Case closed. Headline should read:
"Youth shouting racial slurs savagely beats Hispanic man."
I can see a made-for-tv movie coming from this.
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"I Don’t Feel Your Pain
A failure of empathy perpetuates racial disparities."
Key point:
"... participants (all of whom were white) ... "
Why don't they have non-whites shown white's getting stuck and compare it to the whites reaction. (Or whatever ethnicity they are most at conflict with. ie: Japanese-Korean)
You could speculate that whites would show more empathy than the reverse case, but no one would be interested in hearing that. It might even have already been done, but it won't be on Slate.
I begin to question the applicability of Napoleon's maxim: Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
Is Brooks that stupid? Is it a Jewish thing, some mad messianic belief of the sort to which they seem particularly susceptible?
If it is not malice, if it is simply his honest world view, good Lord, how does he remain in his post?
Have some fun. Attack the leftist coalition.
How?
Precious said Trayvon called Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker". I believe he she interpreted this as meaning "pervert" (altjhough I have not listened to her entire testimony).
Other web sites say that "ass-cracker" is a black hate-phrase for homosexuals. Hence Trayvon was a homophobe. He called Zimmerman a hate word and attacked him for being a homosexual. What can we do to stop homophobes like Trayvon?
How can we protect homosexuals from violent gay-hating, Latino-hating Negroes?
Go to their comment threads and light them up. This is a major fault line in the Popular Front.
Remember, write it as "creepy ass-cracker"
nope, he knows it benefits him and his tribe - a chaotic, multicultural cesspool is where his people have always been comfortable - they were and are much more comfortable in Moorish spain
^This.
Thread winner.
They had a similar scam in the old Ottoman Empire, and you can still see the remnants of that scam in e.g. the Sibel Edmonds affair a century later [which scam I suspect might also lie at the heart of the Sandy "Burglar" Berger scandal].
I am now going to push the envelope as far as what Komment Kontrol will allow me to speculate about on this board, but I sure would like to see an exhaustive historical study [if sufficient sources still exist to reconstruct what really happened - which is to say, if all the documents haven't yet been destroyed] of just who within the Ottoman power structure a century ago was pushing so hard for all the pogroms against the Lebanese Christians and the Armenians.
My gut instinct is that it was a certain highly-influential rent-extracting mercantile class who was using the chaos of the era to eliminate their competition.
Which, in turn, also serves as the most likely explanation for what is happening now with the Arab Spring and the drumbeat of war to depose all of these very mainstream moderate milquetoast leaders, like Mubarak in Egypt and Assad in Syria: A certain highly-influential rent-extracting middle-eastern mercantile class is wielding Wahhabist insanity amongst the majority populations so as to subdue and permanently subvert the competition it would otherwise face from e.g. the Copts in Egypt or the Aramaic peoples of Syria.
Finally, note that the same whores who are doing the heavy lifting for them on the American alien invasion - Juan McAmnesty and Miss Lindsey Grahamnesty and Marco Boobeeo - are also running cover for them on their campaign to destroy Christianity in the middle east.
Strange, strange coincidence.
Very strange.
Search "rachel" in google and rachel jeantel does not come up
search "rachel" in bing and rachel jeantel is the first item in the drop down
hmmm. That is interesting
The Economic Dynamism of Diversity
1. Some upward movement for those among the global poor who can manage to get themselves here and claim their "human rights"
2. Stratospheric upward movement for those with access to capital + leverage, media power, state power, etc.
3. Significant downward movement for, and eventually total eradication of, the white middle class due to them being the ones paying for 1 and 2
As to the Zimmerman trial
"No way he gets off, too much at stake"
I initially thought "they" wanted to convict him to make an example of him, but I realized they don't have to convict him to do that. The example has already been made. Everybody (citizens, cops, local politicians, etc) now knows what's likely to happen if a "white" person defends themself against a youth of color.
If you're a white person who defends yourself, obviously it's better to get acquitted and not go to prison, but the message is pretty clear: your life is going to be kind of a living hell either way.
If you're a local police department, it's pretty clear what outcome the feds want to see in these self defense cases. And now with some police departments being unable to get ammunition for their weapons except from DHS, well, you can see where this is headed.
So the message has already been sent.
So now, they let him get acquitted and win on the way down too.
What is the message to blacks of an acquittal? An acquittal re-enforces the already ubiquitous belief among blacks that racist crackers run everything. This is just further evidence that the country, generally speaking, is still racist and that the government, the justice system, the economy, is set up to favor whites and screw blacks.
Some say "they" want to prevent black riots, but I see it differently. Riots are a positive for the ruling class.
First, it's an economic redistribution program for a core constituency that doesn't have to come out of anyone important's budget. Free TVs, Jordans, etc.
Second, it gives them the ability to ramp up their oppression mechanisms even further. Recall the Boston "manhunt". Think that times 10. They'll be coming, directly, for our guns, "for our own protection". Just like in Katrina. (This is happening in Canada right now. For not even a pretend reason, just because they can, Canadian cops are confiscating guns from people whose houses are flooded by that big flood that just happened.) If rioting becomes really widespread, and perhaps even if not, there will be increased monitoring and control of the internet, there will be restrictions on movement, probably some kind of food rationing setup, they'll break out those drones that can overfly a city for days and monitor every moving object in a 25 mile radius, basically everything they always wanted to do, but couldn't until they got a crisis.
I see a bright future in a America, eventually, say post-financial collapse or post-dissolution, where great spots around the world will be promoted for emigration. Multicultural, liberal minded places like Israel, Mexico, Haiti, etc. come to mind
A long time ago, I was reading an article by Enrique Krauze on Israel and thinking "it's weird how closely this Mexican historian's views on Israel, Hamas, etc., mirror my own." Imagine my surprise when I discovered he, like me, is Jewish! After that point, I stopped thinking I could be objective on the issue, since clearly being Jewish had a lot to do with how I thought.
In person Krauze seems like a very courtly Spanish gentleman. His book "Mexico: Biography of Power", while not particularly groundbreaking, is a masterpiece of historical narrative.
I suppose the crypto-Jews in New Mexico are a little off-topic: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/san-luis-valley.html
>This is a serious question: why do jews have such enthusiasm for making america - (and europe they have been at the vangaurd of this in sweden) vibrant, dynamic, etc?<
KMac describes a theory that they want to eliminate their main competitors, white gentiles, and the cost of this is not important for them. For example, in politics no whites = no Nazis or Cossacks.
It is not important for them that the world they will thus win is a Third World dystopia. Because 1. They will be on top at last. 2. They will safely segregate themselves in neo but very privileged ghettos. 3. Their less privileged members will be buoyed anyway by nostalgie de la boue, a prominent trait.
The theory is extreme, but this new world is evidently latent (even emergent) everywhere Jewish people are dominant economically. From Mexico City to São Paulo to Los Angeles, etc. I'm sure there are Swedish examples.
I've learned one lesson from this case: If I ever have to use deadly force to defend myself from a NAM, the instant I'm not in custody I'm getting the hell out of the country. There's no sense in waiting around to see if TPTB decide to use you as an object lesson to suppress uppity citizens who might be getting too free about exercising their rights.
This poor bastard isn't even white, and he's been used to beat up on white people. Now if he can escape the government persecution, he'll have to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life for some ethnic payback. Time to find a new country -- there are many to the south where he'd blend in -- and start fresh.
US Women's Soccer National Team Alex Morgan (the one who looks strikingly like Princess Kate's younger looking identical twin) is hooked up with Mexican Servando something or other. Can't remember the other name. Both met at Berkeley. Could be part of the mexican elite attending US universities.
This morning I randomly picked up Carl Zimmer's famous book "Parasite Rex" on my way to the john. Having done my business I read your blog and watched the video of this appalling person Rachel Jeantel.
It's was hard for me to see her as anything other than an invading parasite from Haiti. We have allowed this organism to move into the body politic where she will surely parasitize our wealth ( public welfare, food stamps, housing aid) and reproduce. Our defenses have been breached.
Such organisms have been repelled before by the beneficial mechanisms of racism and xenophobia. But our immune system defenses have been weakened which is of course a common parasite strategy.
Yes I know that the analogy is imperfect and it's not nice to think this way. But it all just hit me as a gestalt. Everything seems to fit. America needs to maintain itself as functioning super organism but it swims in a sea of hostile parasites that seek entry.
I wonder what I will read tomorrow? I do try to maintain my regularity.
Albertosaurus
One thing that's remarkable about the testimony of Rachel Jeantel is that it puts on display a black whom one would simply never see under the standard media unspoken rules. Any depiction of a black who came across as so deeply ignorant, frankly stupid, transparently hostile, and flagrantly dishonest would be met with accusations of racism because it is so unflattering. One sees such blacks turning up in youtube videos of course, but I'm not sure I've seen any such in the media, even in news reports of crimes, which, I'm sure, are likewise sanitized for public view.
But the public gets to see Rachel Jaentel from soup to nuts (lots of nuts).
I wonder how many identity-politics liberals are going to report themselves for thought crimes, and admit themselves into reeducation camps to treat their cognitive dissonance.
"Immigration boosts economic dynamism, and more immigration would boost it more."
The level of journalism to come.
Strikes me as something straight out of an Uncle Joe manifesto, a retarded NEP built out of Duplo blocks: "Work camps make for better productivity, and more arrests would make it much most better."
To be fair, this isn't a glimpse into America's future via mass non-white immigration, it's a glimpse into our past and present at the hands of B.R.A. and our own long time troublesome domestic native born minority.
If you're looking for a movie analogy, Sailer, it's not "Idiocracy," it's "Birth of a Nation."
nope, he knows it benefits him and his tribe
What tribe? Brooks is a half-Jew.
You might also consider that in Moorish Spain, many of the Muslims were racially Iberian converts, not all Arab or North African imports. Moorish Spain wasn't exactly a multiracial "cesspool." Nor do all Jews perform best in a setting of chaos and multiculturalism. The peak of European Jewish performance was in early 20th century Germany and Hungary, neither of which much resembled Brazil.
How much of this was whites having relatively low empathy for blacks and how much of this was whites noticing that blacks have relatively low sensitivity to pain?
Much later in the article, they briefly mention that blacks also perceived blacks as perceiving less pain as whites. "In each experiment, the researchers found that white participants, black participants, and nurses and nursing students assumed that blacks felt less pain than whites." So it's actually not that whites see blacks as less sensitive to pain, but that people see blacks as less sensitive to pain. In this particular test, it could be as simple as light skin making it easier to see the needle puncturing the surface.
But further experiments found that people also had a "pain gap" when told whether the person getting the needle was a privileged, wealthy person or someone who had had a lot of adversity. If the researchers said you were a privileged toff, then the people watching you get hurt -- white and black alike -- felt more sympathetic pain for you than if they were told you were a hardscrabble street person.
So it sounds like the actual "gap" here is that people assume blacks have life harder in general, so they assume blacks have built up more resistance to pain. Looked at that way, it's sort of a compliment.
So the pain study looked to see if blacks felt empathy for whites? I'm sure researchers wouldn't miss something like that, right? **crickets**
Well, maybe next time....
Glossy said:
"How much of this was whites having relatively low empathy for blacks and how much of this was whites noticing that blacks have relatively low sensitivity to pain? That I don't know. Blacks do have a lower attention span than whites. Perhaps that's helpful in pain management. Distractions decrease the perceived severity of pain."
I don't know about the pain thing. For better or worse I've lived in situations where I have encountered many black individuals. I've never noticed anything like a high tolerance for pain with them.
Incidentally my anecdotal experiences also say black people have more problems with heat and humidity than whites (go figure), and get hurt more often (I've seen numerous people like Fred Reed state otherwise). No idea why my experience is different from what other people say.
But as regards the attention span...
A lot of the hbd arguments make sense, and seem to be backed up by evidence.
I've come to the reluctant conclusion that law enforcement doesn't reduce black crime by deterrence, it reduces it simply by warehousing blacks in prison, getting them off the streets.
Recently there was a death penalty piece on this site. I don't think the death penalty means anything as far as black crime goes, they simply aren't thinking that far ahead.
Something interesting that I have noticed is that women that mate/marry outside of their race almost exclusively choose physically stronger men than is typical for their race. There are huge numbers in SoCal now of Black male/Hispanic female pairings. Pairings the other way around are very rare. In Northern California the White or Jewish Male/Asian or Indian female is common to the point of being the norm.
I have worked out at a gym in North Hollywood for several years and have literally never seen a black guy with a black woman (with the exception of one old, obese couple). The prize for all black guys at this gym is a fresh off the bus Canadian or fresh off the plane European white girl but failing this their preference is overwhelmingly for a local Hispanic girl. I know several black guys at this gym who literally wont sleep with black women - and these are guys that pick up and bed multiple women in a normal week.
The future of the technocrat class and the underclass is mulatto.
This is the same David Brooks who wrote for U.of Chicago's college newspaper. I remember thinking a blowhard- all commands and directives, no thought. Yet somehow influential. I also remember thinking, this is the kind of America I could have some fun in. Nothing's changed.
"If you grew up between 1950 and 1985, you grew up at a time when only about 5 percent or 6 percent of American residents were foreign born. Today, roughly 13 percent of American residents are foreign born, and we’re possibly heading to 15 percent"
That 5 to 6% were just about all elderly white people too.
The Latino tsunami into anglophone America is Manifest Destiny II.
Actually, considering that the Latinos are largely Amerindians, we're enjoying a replay of Manifest Destiny I, except in reverse.
I've listened to it about ten times and it sounds like she says "Screw-my-neighbors cracka" at 8:10 rather than "kill my neighbors." Hard to say. It could just be some slang word that I'm unfamiliar with.
It could also mean that Trayvon really did think Zimmerman was gay. Note that Jeantel shortly after speculates that Zimmerman was a "rapist," suggesting that she interpreted Trayvon's description as being that of a sexual predator.
I guess Mark Volman from the Turtles qualifies...
http://canadianchristianity.com/bc/bccn/0907/25volman.html
"Brooks, you're a hopeless idiot"
"nope, he knows it benefits him and his tribe - a chaotic, multicultural cesspool is where his people have always been comfortable - they were and are much more comfortable in Moorish spain where european Christians were second, no third class citizens and often subject to sexual and other slavery."
It's also like how Belgians played on divisions between Hutus and Tutsis.
Jews have divided whites into snobby Tutsi north and 'angry' Hutu south.
In a way, the biggest political divide in this country is between lib whites and con whites.
How many of Hispanics are white or substantially white?
White vs non-white is misleading cuz even white Hispans are counted as non-white.
"It will almost certainly be economically dynamic. Immigration boosts economic dynamism, and more immigration would boost it more."
Brooks is a chattering nitwit, parroting fashionable twaddle he does not even understand. He may just as well have written: "Immigration - it's got electrolytes!"
"Anonymous said...
This is a serious question: why do jews have such enthusiasm for making america - (and europe they have been at the vangaurd of this in sweden) vibrant, dynamic, etc?"
You are not supposed to ask that question, nor even pose it, nor even notice that it is an interesting question.
David Brook's piece on Snowden was the last straw for me. I will never, ever read or attach any value to anything David Brooks has to write ever again.
Ny times, WSJ, Fox news, CBS, new republic, the weekly standard and many other newspapers give the jewish perspective on national issues but there are few magazines and newspapers which give the white Christian view on the national issues.
24 hours a day coverage of this, but instantly dropping coverage of the ricin letters to obama and bloomberg case, when it was found out that some crazy woman sent them and not an NRA straight white male tea party "terrorist".
think the nidal hasan case will get 24 hours a day coverage? or any coverage? heck, is this guy going to even get a trial at some point?
all crime stories must adhere to strict cultural marxist party guidelines. few deviations from the agenda are allowed.
At the time I took a glance at the first bunch of "readers' picks" comments, just about every one of them was an expression of butthurt about the use of the term "mutt". When did that become a perjorative among Americans? Those of us of mixed Euro ethnicity used to always refer to ourselves as "Mutt-Americans" when asked about our ancestry. Guess we just gotta speak with more rispec' once non-Euros join the mix.
Man, you just can't beat NYT commenters for their laser-like insight into the heart of any matter. When the avenging angels are shriving all us sinners with God's own flamethrowers on the day of wrath, they'll be fussing and pissing and quibbling about the use of insensitive language among the damned.
And yet he wants the opposite for Israel where his people are the majority. It's self-evident tribal warfare against European Americans and has been all along.
"But the problem isn’t just that people disregard the pain of black people."
Experiments like this which don't test other ethnic groups for the same thing are simply anti-white racism.
OT: NYT, 06/29/13, N.F.L. Star and Murder Victim: Where Diverse Paths Crossed
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/29/sports/football/hernandez-and-murder-victim-where-diverse-paths-crossed.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&ref=todayspaper
“It looks like he [Aaron Hernandez] just fell in with the wrong crowd..."
Ahh, Aaron Hernandez was the wrong crowd.
"This is a serious question: why do jews have such enthusiasm for making america - (and europe they have been at the vangaurd of this in sweden) vibrant, dynamic, etc?"
Divide and rule. It's the Jewish version of imperialism - enter a country peacefully then wage war from the inside.
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"Asians and Jews do a whole lotta mixing."
Jews need to change their appearance before they can do the same thing in East Asia they've done to America.
Jewish genetics shows a similar short period of heavy inter-marrying in Italy when they first arrived in Europe.
Over the past few decades, American society has been transformed in a fit of absence of mind. First, we’ve gone from a low immigrant nation to a high immigrant nation
It's been transformed all right, but very, very deliberately rather than in any "fit of absence of mind".
it mostly just creates something like brazil. a large bowl of crap.
melting pot -> salad bowl -> toilet bowl
This is known as the racial empathy gap. To study it, researchers at the University of Milano-Bicocca showed participants (all of whom were white) video clips of a needle or an eraser touching someone’s skin.
The Onion can't compete with this nonsense.
You can't measure any "racial empathy gap" in the fashion described. The gigantic glaring flaw in the experiment is right there in front of you - "participants (all of whom were white)".
Such an "experiment" can never find black people possessing any "racial empathy gap", and therefore it can never say anything at all about the "racial empathy gap".
"David Brooks-Americans"
it seems like it is almost always david-brooks americans writing this kind of stuff.
cohen-chan does get some g99gle hits but one is Trinidadian and the other is fictional(Glee). Brooks seems like a Glee fan.
Did Zimmerman's attorney advise him to fatten up for the trial and to grow some hair?
He looks less like a skinhead cracker and more like Guillermo.
The racial empathy gap helps explain disparities in everything from pain management to the criminal justice system. But the problem isn’t just that people disregard the pain of black people. It’s somehow even worse. The problem is that the pain isn’t even felt."
Who were the test subjects?
White suburban moms?
Black males incarcerated for violent crimes?
5 will get you ten that white suburban moms feel more empathy watching a black man suffer, than inner city black males feel watching a black man suffer.
The researchers need to test for whom young urban black males feel empathy. That would be very interesting, so of course they won't be asking those questions and damned sure won't be testing them.
I told someone offline that Rachel was a glimpse into America's future, a functionally illiterate 19 year old high school junior. She is not alone heck she's probably ranked in the middle of her class.
If she is ranked in the middle that puts here near the 75th percentile among blacks for an IQ somewhere near 100. My guess is that she is near the bottom of her class and has the average black IQ of 85.
http://southernnationalist.com/blog/2013/06/29/herald-meyerson-separate-the-south-with-border-fence/
How most Jews feel about white conservatives.
biracial or triracial people with names like Enrique Cohen-Chan.
In 1980 I knew a California lawyer named Ramon Yuen-Garcia, the combination being Vietnamese-Puerto Rican, I think. He told me that when applying for admission to Boalt Hall, he had to interview with a student committee, who told him they expected him to be politically active. He told them he just wanted to study law, and so they rejected him. He seemed to have little patience with AA.
What percentage of immigrant business owners did not avail themselves of the system of ethnic preferences in general, or minority small business loans in particular? How many native born Americans are employed by this group?
Everything else is the ability of Americans to generate economic growth for foreigners, not the other way around as the article implies is the case.
Zoink,
I wager than the majority of emigrants to the USA from the UK are not what you would think of as being 'old-stock Americans'.
Think more in terms of Karachi.
"Some wealthy individual who actually cared about America should have came to Jason Richwine's aid."
He won't be rich no more.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/29/sarah-palin-floats-idea-of-leaving-republican-party-video/
Poor girl Rachel. She is a disaster. To escalade the wall of life she will either have to become a zombie, or else have the luck to fall into the hands of headmistress Allyson Felix.
Re the Slate article on the skin conductance test, I'm beginning to suspect that the scum constituting sociology never test blacks for this stuff because they know what they'll find; that blacks are aroused by white suffering. Fits with what one guy said here once about being a horror film junkie and how disproportionately white the audiences are. And how disproportionately white the victims in these movies are. Which also jibes with how much complaining blacks do about how the token black's always the first one to die; observer bias, because they didn't buy tickets to watch blacks suffer and die.
I don't necessarily think all blacks qualify, but I'd be willing to bet that a rigorous study would find a significant portion of the black population is pretty well in touch with its enjoyment of white suffering.
Correction, he said how disproportionately black the (theater) audiences are.
Asians and Jews do a whole lotta mixing. As a Jew myself I should note how odd the whole business seems (for a people afraid of the alien, you'd think more of us would be phobic of folk who actually LOOK like the Grey himself) but out in Caliland apparently it happens pretty often.
You come from the world's most ethnocentric group. Especially after correcting for IQ. So mixing of your own seems more salient to you. But the truth is, Jews do substantially less mixing than other European or mostly-European, Caucasoid, groups. Substantially less than the English, Irish, Scottish, French, Germans, Dutch, Spanish, Italians, Swiss, etc.
Heh, I can imagine why they didn't include any black participants in that particular experiment.
They almost never include anyone but whites. They suspect what they'd find, and they don't want to find it, because they'd be obliged to publish it. Best not to start down that path, because to do so would be to set a precedent, and then others would be expected to follow the new norm. Sociologists are pond scum.
There used to be a stereotype that blacks don't feel pain as strongly as whites.
"Well you know they don't feel pain the way we do" is one of my favorite knuckle-dragging ironic hipster type cracks.
Ben Fong Torres is all Chinese but his family added Torres to pose as Filipinos and gain easier access to US.
Brooks writes: On the whole, this future is exciting. The challenge will be to create a global civilization that is, at the same time, distinctly American. Immigration reform or not, the nation of mutts is coming.
Steve writes It sounds vibrant.
Seriously though, this "American", "global civilization", "nation of mutts" etc. clearly sounds like it will be a danger to the rest of the world. The US is currently the 3rd most populous country in the world, and these trends Brooks mentions mean that population growth will continue if not accelerate to maintain the US as among the most populous countries in the world. The only thing holding it together will increasingly be economic growth, military power, and external enemies.
There's a former NASA astronaut named "Franklin Ramón Chang DÃaz":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Chang_D%C3%ADaz
‘Start the Border Fence in Norfolk, VA,’
No, please suh, don't throw in in that theya brier patch!
The Meyersons would be the first to start screaming bloody murder if the south started building a border fence around Dixie. I don't have to read the piece to know that it's an entirely rhetorical device used to gin up hatred of the wrong sorts of white "gentiles"; the very idea of these wrong sorts even discussing secession or separation fills the Meyersons with something in the neighborhood of genocidal fury. They have it very much fixed in their minds that all white "gentile" living spaces are plantations for the Meyersons, none of which should ever be allowed self-determination.
Now I'll go and read the piece, and see if ye olde predictive power is still effective.
There's a former NASA astronaut named "Franklin Ramón Chang DÃaz":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Chang_D%C3%ADaz
He's a Costa Rican-didn't become a US citizen until he was 47.
Meyerson
There's a former NASA astronaut named "Franklin Ramón Chang DÃaz"
Will there be a...
Cucumunga Ling-long Fernando Saddam Erickson Kaminsky Suzuki Visconti Nguyen Smith in the future?
Friends will likely just call him Muttons.
Go Jeantel it on the Mountain.
Mahalia Jackson she aint.
Immigration reform or not, the nation of mutts is coming.
it has always been the stance of media particularly that this change is inevitable, rather than deliberately engineered..
I notice with particular with David Brooks,Harold Meyerson, Tim Wise, Barbara Spectre, I don't see any pattern though.
a couple spots behind Nigeria at #20, where the natives spend their days hard at work stooped over their lab benches, their evenings at the opera or symphony, and their nights debating the timeless questions of philosophy.
And their weekends spent huddling over laptops running 419 scams against gullible Americans on the Internet.
I have a feeling that the current generation of people in the 99.9th percentile are more frequently in interracial marriages than run of the mill 90th percentile people. So the elites will unlikely be as white as some are expecting.
In the US some examples that come to mind:
-John McCain's son recently married a black woman.
-Boehner's daughter married a Jamaican construction worker.
-Al Gore's daughter married a guy originally from Taiwan
In Aus, the newly picked Prime Minister's daughter is married to a Chinese-Australian
many of the Muslims were racially Iberian converts
very few. Unless you consider the forced sexual enslavement and blood taxes as 'converting' as a scots irish, perhaps you do. and the iberians dealt with apostates during the reconquista.
Moorish spain was HELL for Iberians. God bless Queen Isabella, God know Spain will soon need another.
Is it ungenerous of me to observe that when we were all still living on the savannah Jeantel would have been one of the first taken out by a leopard?
Mullineaux contacted Ruth Oratz, a New York City-based oncologist then working in Denver. "Those people are Jewish," Oratz told her. "I'm sure of it."
Oratz needs to tell that to Nicholas Stix, who just denied that there's such a thing as a half-Jew in the comments to the Slate piece.
Anonydroid at 5:43 AM said: They had a similar scam in the old Ottoman Empire, and you can still see the remnants of that scam in e.g. the Sibel Edmonds affair a century later
Hunsdon said: For the last little while, I've been thinking that it's the Ottoman Empire for our future, not Brazil. With the same, hmm, dragoman class.
They often speak of Moorish Spain as a place where Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived in peace.
Never mind that this was a forced peace where Christians weren't equal with Muslims and Jews but treated as an oppressed group.
I mean Greeks and Turks lived in relative peace for a long time under the Ottomans, but everyone knew who was boss and who was bossed around.
"I have a feeling that the current generation of people in the 99.9th percentile are more frequently in interracial marriages than run of the mill 90th percentile people. So the elites will unlikely be as white as some are expecting."
When you're top, race matters less than class.
It's like among European aristocrats, nationality mattered less than caste. A German aristocrat was more likely to marry a French or English aristocrat than a German commoner.
It's not like John McCain's son married someone like Jeantel. He married a black elite ho.
Chua and her Jewish husband both met at an elite college.
"Starting a business of standing on the street corner selling oranges is not exactly the same as founding Intel."
Surely Steve you know that, contrary to what the MSM constantly says, INTEL was not founded by an immigrant.
As Wikipedia says: "Founded by semiconductor pioneers Robert Noyce and Gordon Moore and widely associated with the executive leadership and vision of Andrew Grove, Intel ..." Grove was a Jewish Hungarian immigrant. The founders Native White Americans and the technical brains.
Robert Hume
Right. Intel is the most well-studied and influential start-up in Silicon Valley history. The founders were basically Neal Stephenson's kind of the guys: small Midwestern college town boys of Yankee / Puritan descent. Tom Wolfe wrote about Moore and Noyce at length in Esquire in 1983.
"The future is exciting."
Yeah, Mad Max was fun to watch but not exactly fun to live in. Idiots like this have no clue what life is outside the ivory towers of the LA-DC-NYC axis. The amazing thing is this man is PAID MONEY to come up with these idiot opinions that have no bearing in real life.
If everyone is getting their pet minorities in while the getting is good, I want some Afghanis and Chechens out here in Arizona. As I said before: maybe they're not the best neighbors when everything is hunky dory, but when this house divided collapses in on itself I want the guys who cut their teeth on ambush to the left and right of me.
Maybe they've got some rough ideas about 'romance' but I'd take them over the H1-B code monkeys, Indio peasants, and urban youf that the other side is going to use as 'enforcers' of their new diverse regime.
In the future, whites will be penalized for marrying one another.
Think it is outrageous? Anyone here over 40?
If in 1980, someone told you that in the UK white english girls were being raped and forced into prostitution by Muslims the police turning away the victims and victims parents, would you have believed it?
They often speak of Moorish Spain as a place where Christians, Muslims, and Jews lived in peace.
it is looked at as the jewish golden age - very deep in the jewish folk memory.
I once brought this up with a jewish friend- he said it was their golden age..
I mentioned it wasn't so golden for Iberians towns often had to turn over x number virgins a year to muslims, and even the ringing of church bells was prohibited - in fact one of the first things Isabella (God bless her) would do during a siege was to erect a bell tower and ring it for daily mass.
My jewish friend never considered the well being of the Iberian people and despite his ultra left/huffpo views, did not seem to care.
are also running cover for them on their campaign to destroy Christianity in the middle east.
I would put this as one of the most under-reported stories of the past five years.
When the 'right' does bring it up they point to the 'muslim' in the white house....
Something else Steve should notice, being in LA since it is quite true in NY.
Jews, by and large, do NOT intermarry with those groups that they tend to think are "too stupid". In other words, to racially marry downward is to drag the entire tribe downwards.
Likewise, on the whole, (not "here and there" examples) but on the whole, how many Jews today interrmarry with blacks? Verrrrrry few. For all the public talk about the blacks, they dont want 'em any where near the tribal genes. Aint gonna be no Shanequa Goldsteins 'round birthin' 4 babies to 4 different men.
Go ahead, Lenny Kravitz all you want (and technically he's not African-US but African-Bahamian) you dont find many Jews hooking up with Blacks. Either men or their women aren't goin' there.
If they were pressed to choose between a black and a southern baptist from Huntsville, Alabama,....they'd bite the bullet and go for the Baptist.
But notice, they seldom are called on to have to make those kinds of difficult decisions.
Wonder why? Anyone out there? Wonder why?
What do they know that others dont??
They almost never include anyone but whites. They suspect what they'd find, and they don't want to find it, because they'd be obliged to publish it. Best not to start down that path, because to do so would be to set a precedent, and then others would be expected to follow the new norm. Sociologists are pond scum.
They do do studies that include other races:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324715704578483484282397490.html
"A raft of new studies shows that even 5-year-olds discriminate between what psychologists call in-groups and out-groups."
"The adults were more likely to say that angry faces were black. Even people who would hotly deny any racial prejudice unconsciously associate other racial groups with anger.
But what about the innocent kids? Even 3- and 4-year-olds were more likely to say that angry faces were black. In fact, younger children were just as prejudiced as older children and adults.
Is this just something about white attitudes toward black people? They did the same experiment with white and Asian faces. Although Asians aren't stereotypically angry, children also associated Asian faces with anger. Then the researchers tested Asian children in Taiwan with exactly the same white and Asian faces. The Asian children were more likely to think that angry faces were white. They also associated the out-group with anger, but for them the out-group was white.
Was this discrimination the result of some universal, innate tendency or were preschoolers subtly learning about discrimination? For black children, white people are the out-group. But, surprisingly, black children (and adults) were the only ones to show no bias at all; they categorized the white and black faces in the same way."
In Aus, the newly picked Prime Minister's daughter is married to a Chinese-Australian
And a son is married to a Malaysian-Australian. So it's not just a prole phenom.
It is not important for them that the world they will thus win is a Third World dystopia. Because
...3. Their less privileged members will be buoyed anyway by nostalgie de la boue, a prominent trait.
How exaactly does nostalgie de la boue, "a yearning for the mud," buoy anyone? Are you insinuating that lower middle-class and working class Jews will enjoy their degradation? If so, I'm skeptical. Nostalgie de la boue now seems more common in people who hail from higher strata, exemplified by well-to-do educated people aping the manners and tastes of the underclass.
If you grew up between 1950 and 1985, you grew up at a time when only about 5 percent or 6 percent of American residents were foreign born.
That 5 to 6% were just about all elderly white people too.
Not entirely. There would have been some war brides from World War II, Korea, and, toward the end of the period, Vietnam.
And let's not forget that "regular" immigration slowed down considerably but did not completely cease. When I was growing up in a very ethnic Connecticut city some of my schoolmates' parents had immigrated from Italy or Portugal in the late 1940's and in the 1950's.
Peter
Zoink, don't lump Colombians in with the other intellectual deadwood. I teach in Florida (yeah, try teaching a class with 3 Jeantels, 4 Trayvons, 7 chattering, texting Hispanics / Latinos, 4 white girls who consider school an irritating interruption to hair styling, 5 white farm boys who would rather be at their construction jobs, and 1 glorious brilliant white male who writes essays about Nikola Tesla). I have experienced the intellectual prowess, or lack of it, of almost all the groups on your list. Colombian students tend to be focused, quick learners, and intelligent; at least they have been in my experience. The Puerto Rican kids say that the Spanish speak perfect Spanish (no surprise), followed by the Colombians. Regarding English, my Colombian students have all entered class either able to pass the telephone test, or well on their way to doing so. I agree that immigration has reached invasion level, mostly by dumb shits, but they are not all cut from the same cloth.
" ... Let’s make some educated guesses about what the New America will look like. It will almost certainly be economically dynamic. Immigration boosts economic dynamism, and more immigration would boost it more."
-I'm not even sure what he means by economically dynamic- is this supposed to be a magic wonderful word about diversity that is completely vacuous like 'vibrant'? What is economically dynamic about a group that is more likely than any other in America (including blacks) of not even achieving a high school diploma? Do we count food stamps as economic dynamism because they give the government more excuse to expand programs to for dependent people?
"There would also be a lot of upward striving."
- The phrase 'upward striving' is a weasel phrase- no wonder why the left likes it. You can strive all you want without actually doing or achieving anything.
"Immigrant groups tend to work harder than native groups."
-Yeah, that's why the predominately Hispanic neighborhood I lived in a couple of years ago had lots of men home at any given hour of the day. See how many grown men of working age are home during the middle of the day in a white middle class neigborhood.
"They save more. They start business at higher rates than natives."
-I bet this is why the Clinton and Bush II plan of lending money to recent immigrants led to a new age of prosperity over the last decade. Its clear that the US of 2013, chock full as it is with recent immigrants is so much more prosperous and safe, with lower debt and a brighter future than the bleak monocultural white America of 1960.
They don't even bother trying to come up with even semi-plausible excuses for BS like this anymore.
The amazing thing is this man is PAID MONEY to come up with these idiot opinions
I don't think our north european conceptions of 'truth' bear much weight among the new york elite.
He is paid not money to come up with idiot opinions, but rather, what to tell anyone who wants to not be a racist-white-cracker-southern-kkk-nazi-cossak bigot what the should believe.
It does not matter if it is true or not. It is what the powerful say your opinion should be. If you disagree with that opinion and you're a politican, you won't get funding and you'll be brushed off by the media (see Ron Paul)
if you run an business, the government and elite will make it very tough for you to run it (See chic fil a) if you're an ordinary citizen you will find yourself one 'racism' charges at work and lose your job.
get it?
"I've listened to it about ten times and it sounds like she says "Screw-my-neighbors cracka" at 8:10 rather than "kill my neighbors.""
It sure sounds like "neighbors," but what comes before that is baffling.
Anybody have any idea about whatever it was the witness said the late Trayvon said means?
It is looked at as the jewish golden age - very deep in the jewish folk memory.
I once brought this up with a jewish friend- he said it was their golden age.
Your friend likely knows almost nothing about Moorish Spain other than a few superficial details he picked up. Can he even name one important Jewish scholar or community leader from the place and period other than Maimonides (who, btw, had to flee persecution at the hands of the Almohads)?
Part of the reason that Moorish Spain has a good reputation among Jews is that it came on the heels of severe persecution initiated by the Visigothic Christian rulers. But only under the early rulers, the Umayyads and Almoravids, was the situation particularly good for Jews.
I don' t know what she is saying, but I feel very sorry for the court transcriptionist.
She's saying "scuze (excuse) my English" very quickly, under her breath almost. It's a common way to excuse "bad words" which, in this case, she's only quoting Trayvon.
I would put this as one of the most under-reported stories of the past five years.
More like 10 years now.
After Dubya invaded Iraq, approximately 800,000 to 1.2 million Iraqi Christians were purged by the Shiites and the Sunnis.
To paraphrase the old Highlander series, when it comes to rent-extracting mercantilistic overlords in the middle east, "There shall be only one."
Stari:
Nah, not even my Dad is pure Portagee. To return to the topic however, it really does seem some groups are more apt to mix than others. Everywhere you look, where there are Portuguese migrants, they tended to intermarry. Interestingly, the Lebanese who came around the same time as the Portuguese migrants and in the same numbers around much of the Carribean and South America tended to stay a much more distinct community. I spent time living in Japan, which I would consider amongst the most non-intermarrying people, even with multiple generations abroad. Even in Hawaii, outmarriage usually is just a male SWPL female Japanese partnership. It's extremely rare they ever marry Filipinos or Hawaiians.
few things to reply to the above comments:
alex morgan's bf is an 'ok' defender for Seattle Sounders - Sevando Carrasco. Not an 'elite' by any stretch, just received a scholarship to play at Cal.
other black jewish celebs off the top of my head: rashida (and kidada) jones, drake, lauren london..
John McCain's daughter in law is not an elite black. She went to a small state school and is a reserve air force officer who happens to be extremely pretty and her paths crossed with Mccain's son who is also military. She is not Susan Rice (though much more attractive).
I would be curious to see what the white male/black female inter-marriage rate is for military couples vs. civilian. I'm sure it is much higher.
Witness confirms Tray-tray was running an MMA-style ground and pound on Zim:
George Zimmerman trial: Neighbor testifies Trayvon Martin was straddling Zimmerman moments before fatal gunshot
Prosecution's witness. Prosecution lawyer made sure to establish that from where the witness was watching, he couldn't confirm if Tray-tray was raining blows on the defendant, or the sidewalk, or on a tiny baby unicorn trapped underneath Zim's fat rolls.
A young Jewish friend once remarked, "All Jewish religious celebrations are alike: they tried to kill us, but we won, let's eat!" He said it in an offhand way that made me wonder if it's a common Jewish saying in some quarters? Does anyone know if it is?
The more diversity, the more things we aren't allowed to think about, such as the distinction in average behavior between legal and illegal immigrants. Starting a business of standing on the street corner selling oranges is not exactly the same as founding Intel.
Conflation, in its myriad of psychological and social forms, seems to be among the great sins our era. In this case we have "immigration conflation": the inability to make sound distinctions between, say, an East Asian immigrant, an upper-caste South Asian immigrant, yesterday's Jewish immigrant and the modern run-of-the-mill immigrant from Latin America. In an era of identity politics it's too psychologically painful to dwell upon real differences and so, naturally, our chattering classes--verbose and lazy--fall back on comfortable optimism. They'll ignore a mountain of statistical evidence that says they're wrong to find that anecdote, or even just a bit of cocktail party hearsay, that says their right and that everything will ultimately be alright.
I've said before that people who are good at marketing to/deceiving others tend to be good at marketing to/deceiving themselves. It should follow that those who are good at telling people what they want to hear are pretty damn good at telling themselves what they want to hear. Folks like Brooks are their own worst con men.
KMac describes a theory that they want to eliminate their main competitors, white gentiles, and the cost of this is not important for them. For example, in politics no whites = no Nazis or Cossacks.
KMac may be right. That may indeed be the operating theory. I also contend that this is a dumb theory. It ignores the fact that Europe has played host to Jews for several thousand years. Not competitor, host. Europeans have been doing all the grunt work: exploring, land clearing, farming, fighting. These are the sort of jobs that most Jews simply just won't do. Really.
Jews have so optimized themselves for living amongst Europeans that they look more like us than most ethnicities out there bar gentile Europeans.
Another thing to ask is this: over the history that Jews have been a people, they have had the opportunity to spread all throughout Asia and Africa as well as Europe, especially given their original location. If these other peoples were such superior hosts for Jews, why the triumph of the Ashkenazi in Europe and among European peoples over this several thousand years of history? Why the curious relative lack of success amongst other potential hosts?
One must remember that just because the Jewish elite decide something is good for Jews, it does not make it so.
This whole pain study strikes me as pointless. What I'd like to see: a study of who is more willing to inflict pain, and upon whom. Not that I ever expect to see such a study.
Re: "They tried to kill us, but we won; let's eat."
Yes, among Jews of a certain irreverent nature, this is a fairly common way of putting it. After all, "they tried to kill us; we won; let's eat" is reasonable shorthand for describing the festivals of Hanukkah, Purim and Passover.
So yes, your friend didn't come up with that one on his own. I've heard variations of it at plenty of Passover seders over the years.
Search "rachel" in google ...
Same with just "edw", "edward snowden" does not appear in the drop down until you have typed the full name while the "page count" for Snowden is still above 1.000.000.000 well above the page count for Edward Jones of 220.000.000 which comes first (Hmmm... a little "technical deficiency" :- ) )
Google is ROTTEN TO THE CORE (no eeevil, just bought up...)
A little secret I've learned, just the week. Want to get your family away from the forced-diversity of your neighborhood, job, etc? GO ON VACATION. There are very few non-whites visiting monuments, historic sites, climbing Pikes Peak, studying the Pueblo Indian cliff-dwellers, etc. We still have this domain completely to ourselves. Even the tour guides are white. Our fellow vacationers are polite, friendly, sharing, ... etc.
Another prominent 99.9th percentile marriage is one of the daughters of the Prime Minister of India married a white American.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amrit_Singh
persecution initiated by the Visigothic Christian rulers
persecution or reaction to Jewish behavior?
Jews have so optimized themselves for living amongst Europeans that they look more like us than most ethnicities out there bar gentile Europeans.
To the extent that Ashkenazi Jews look like Europeans, it is because they have European admixture (40-60% estimated in one study) and because the Levantine Middle Eastern genetic stock among which they arose was already rather close to Europeans in a worldwide genetic context. That can be seen today in principal component plots where Levantine Middle Easterners, including Muslims, fall closer to southern Europeans than southern Middle Easterners (Yemenis, Saudis, etc.) and are among the groups closest to southern Europeans. It is also the case that non-Ethiopian Jews, Druze, and Lebanese Christians have significantly less sub-Saharan admixture than Muslim Arabs. That sub-Saharan admixture tends to pull southern Middle Easterners away from Europeans on principal component plots.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23068423
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/NSA_SURVEILLANCE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-06-30-08-06-16
Do globalists control NSA?
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/features/the-last-action-heroes-have-tom-cruise-will-smith-and-brad-pitt-lost-their-mojo-8677002.html
CGI characters will be the future.
"This is known as the racial empathy gap. To study it, researchers at the University of Milano-Bicocca showed participants (all of whom were white) video clips of a needle or an eraser touching someone’s skin.
The Onion can't compete with this nonsense.
You can't measure any "racial empathy gap" in the fashion described. The gigantic glaring flaw in the experiment is right there in front of you - "participants (all of whom were white)".
Such an "experiment" can never find black people possessing any "racial empathy gap", and therefore it can never say anything at all about the "racial empathy gap"."
They pull nonsense like this all the time in social psyc studies. I minored in Psyc as an undergrad. At one point I considered being a Psyc major and going into the field as I recognized there were so many ignored elephants in the room- it would be a gold mine of opportunity in terms of studies to be conducted. But a wiser, unusually candid professor in a different field steered the 20yr old me clear, telling me that I could never get funding for the studies I would want to do, I would find it difficult, if not impossible to get employed with papers in this area, would never get tenure, etc. So I switched psyc to a minor. He even suggested that I not stay in science at all, but go into business or engineering, and that he told his own son the same thing. Unfortunately, he was right about that one too, but I didn't listen to that one.
"Anonymous said...
I once brought this up with a jewish friend- he said it was their golden age..
I mentioned it wasn't so golden for Iberians towns often had to turn over x number virgins a year to muslims, and even the ringing of church bells was prohibited - in fact one of the first things Isabella (God bless her) would do during a siege was to erect a bell tower and ring it for daily mass.
My jewish friend never considered the well being of the Iberian people and despite his ultra left/huffpo views, did not seem to care."
"Despite his ultra left/huffpo views". Perhaps you had better written "Because of....."
My wife once attended a cooking class, taught by a woman who had authored a cook-book focussing on the culinary traditions of Sephardic Jews. She retailed the usual BS about the golden-age of Moorish Spain (vibrant! diverse!), and even had the mendacity to say that the Moors in Spain had "immigrated". A lot of jewish history, which Jews have foisted off on the rest of us and has come to be accepted as true, is really just a self-interested fairy tale.
>How exaactly does nostalgie de la boue, "a yearning for the mud," buoy anyone?<
I was obliquely referencing Anonymous's 6/29/13, 3:51 AM comment "a chaotic, multicultural cesspool is where his people have always been comfortable." This too is part of the KMac viewpoint.
My wife once attended a cooking class, taught by a woman who had authored a cook-book focussing on the culinary traditions of Sephardic Jews. She retailed the usual BS about the golden-age of Moorish Spain (vibrant! diverse!), and even had the mendacity to say that the Moors in Spain had "immigrated".
Well, I guess you could say the Conquistadores "immigrated" to the New World. They brought a lot of goodies too, and discovered chocolate and potatos in return.
"On the whole, this future is exciting. The challenge will be to create a global civilization that is, at the same time, distinctly American."
His plan is so simple! First, conquer the world and impose a new world order. Civilize 'em with a Krag, I suppose. Anyone who doesn't go along, American or otherwise, is clearly a nogoodnik-fascist. Were did we get this guy, again? Why don't people call him evil?
My wife once attended a cooking class, taught by a woman who had authored a cook-book focussing on the culinary traditions of Sephardic Jews. She retailed the usual BS about the golden-age of Moorish Spain (vibrant! diverse!), and even had the mendacity to say that the Moors in Spain had "immigrated". A lot of jewish history, which Jews have foisted off on the rest of us and has come to be accepted as true, is really just a self-interested fairy tale.
It would be interesting to compare and contrast Jewish history written in say, 1910 vs 1970+, to see what has changed about the interpretation of those same historical events since PC was invented. It may well be different, in the same way that European history has been interpreted differently by cultural Marxists in those two different eras.
One could just as easily view the Sephardic experience as an object lesson in determining "what is good for Jews" in the long term, that might be compared and contrasted with the Ashkenazi experience. The Sephardic Jews aided and abetted the foreign Muslim invaders, who initially treated them better than the host. However, the later Muslims were worse, offering Jews a choice of death or conversion.
In the end the original host, the Christians, arose and repelled the Muslim invaders, and forced Jews to convert or leave in 1492. And where are the Sephardim now? They have not been as successful as the Ashkenazi. If the period during the Muslim invasion constituted a Golden Age, it was a very transient one, that should be thoroughly examined before trying to emulate it.
An acolyte of PC will of course look to this "Golden Age" as an example of multiracial harmony, and write the history in those terms by glossing over the resentment of the original Christian host and also the brutality of later Muslim leaders. It could just as easily compared to the sort of golden age to be had in your own life by prioritizing the short term over the long, e.g. by borrowing against your house and maxing out your credit cards.
It would be good to find and highlight other "Golden Ages" in Jewish history that have worked well for both host and Jews. It seems that the English example is a good one, perhaps there are others. The Anglosphere example is a good one because the Jews have yet to be evicted from anywhere bar Britain, and that was many centuries ago.
To some extent, it is a good idea for a diaspora people to look at itself in the context of organisms that live in close relation to other organisms. Do you want to be symbiote/mutualist, commensalist or parasite? Just how virulent do you want to be? Virulence is only virulence, it is not success. Although it gets headlines and makes for interesting movies, the Ebola virus is not a success story of evolution. Neither is mumps, typhoid, or any of the other highly virulent organisms we label diseases.
If you want to model yourself on a successful organism that lives within other organisms, there are far better examples to pick. Healthy gut bacteria like Lactobacillus casei have garnered such reputations for themselves that humans manufacture Yakult to introduce that bacteria amongst anyone who cares to try it at their local supermarket. Even Herpes would be a better model to follow than any of the highly virulent species.
If it is wiser to opt for non-virulence, then some self-regulation would be desirable in the Jewish community. If they are truly the smartest race on earth, why not act like it? Careers and politics that are obviously virulent ought to be shunned or spoken out against. An invasion instituted by an unpopular immigration policy is an obviously nasty, virulent thing that ought to have encountered opposition within the Jewish community. There are voices speaking out against this, I hope that they will grow in number.
To follow on from my previous comment, one can also learn from the example of how organisms effectively have or should have differential preferences for host races. I contend that the superior host for Jews is the European host, and they would do well well to realize this. I've already made the point that given the widely travelled nature of Jewry (e.g. as traders) and their history lasting thousands of years, they have had the opportunity, often taken, to settle in many lands. Yet their success has primarily been amongst Europeans.
If we look at the example of malaria and the Anopheles gambiae mosquito, one can see how this phenomenon of preferential host races works out. The sickle cell adaptation of the black populace allows them to co-exist with malaria and A gambiae. Malaria acts to make it difficult for a white population to thrive. In this way, it confers a benefit to the black population.
Whites have responded to malaria by extermination with insecticides etc. So in the scheme of things, malaria and the carrier mosquito are effectively a symbiote or mutualist to the black population, and a virulent parasite or disease to European populations. From the perspective of both malaria and the mosquito, it would be best if blacks were to ethnically cleanse the world of non-blacks. If the world was purely European, both malaria and the mosquito would be eradicated by now. Of course, neither malaria nor mosquitoes can think in those terms, but if they could, they probably would.
Similarly, while Europeans have advantages over blacks, it is not in the black interest to eradicate malaria. Malaria helps to make non-black colonization difficult. If I were a black leader, I would be loathe to eradicate malaria in my lands. With my r selected population, life is relatively cheap.
One might view smallpox in a similar way, though it is/was a more virulent organism. Objectively, Diamond was not wrong in pointing out the advantages that smallpox had for Europeans in the New World. It killed 90% of indigenous people in the Americas, but only 30% of (European) people historically.
forced Jews to convert or leave in 1492
You're ignoring that large numbers of Spanish Jews had faced a choice of death or conversion during a widespread series of massacres in 1391. That and a few subsequent massacre plus conversion events in the early 15th century were the source of the conversos whose assimilation into the faithful flock the Church and the monarchs thought was imperiled by the continued presence of unconverted Jews in Spain.
If it is wiser to opt for non-virulence, then some self-regulation would be desirable in the Jewish community. If they are truly the smartest race on earth, why not act like it?
Only the various ultra-Orthodox sects can self-police effectively. There is no universally respected Jewish governing authority. Most Reform and Conservative Jews rarely attend synagogue and can take or leave their rabbis opinions. There aren't shtetlach in America.
persecution or reaction to Jewish behavior?
Persecution. It began shortly after the Visigothic kings converted to the Catholic form of Christianity (they had been Arian Christians before that). Forced conversions of Jews were undertaken in parallel to the Church's effort to extirpate Arian Christianity in Spain.
[QUOTE]How many of Hispanics are white or substantially white?
White vs non-white is misleading cuz even white Hispans are counted as non-white.[/QUOTE]
Most Hispanics in the U.S are not White. If they were, predominantly Hispanic public schools would academically be on the same level as predominantly WASP public schools.
Some of the worst performing public schools in the U.S are located in predominantly Hispanic cities like Miami and Los Angeles.
"I have worked out at a gym in North Hollywood for several years and have literally never seen a black guy with a black woman (with the exception of one old, obese couple). The prize for all black guys at this gym is a fresh off the bus Canadian or fresh off the plane European white girl but failing this their preference is overwhelmingly for a local Hispanic girl. I know several black guys at this gym who literally wont sleep with black women."
What you are describing is bascially racism.
The black men in your gym are racial fetishists.
Of course, if a white man wants mostly Asian women its yellow fever and wrong.
If a black man wants mostly white women its diversity and a good thing.
Why is this? Because our culture celebrates white masochism and promotes what some call 'Negrophilia'.
As discussed in previous threads, blacks can only be portrayed in the most positive light possible, and especially black men.
This factor simply cannot be forgotten when looking at this. Some white men think they are facing even odds, they are not. They face a cultural situation where they are demonized and white women are openly encouraged to mate with men of other races.
Black men who are not stupid, lazy or criminal face a situation in America that is more favourable than really any other race face.
They can always point to racism whenever something goes bad, they have a ton of media-created stereotypes that work in their favour and they can pressure non-black, especially white but increasingly asian, women by taunting them about dating a black guy(youre not a racist, are you?).
Plus, 80% of all young women in urban centres are liberal so that is the propaganda they get.
Most research does show that its black men who are seeking white women, not the other way around. The metadata on dating sites show that only 3% of all white women who contacted a male contacted a black male. I thought this was age-related but even controlling for age this hold true.
Black men are ten times more likely to contact a white woman than she is likely to contact him. This is how it works.
And white guys are pussies for letting it happen on their watch.
Finally, why are black men so open to interracial dating? Its not liberalism but racism. Its about spreading their genes. They want to protect their women and spread their own to the maximum extent possible. So far, that evolutionary strategy is working well, especially as the one-drop rule never went away (because blacks understand it works in their favour post-1960s), allowing them to claim higher-IQ half-breeds(typical case is Obama).
part 2:
"and these are guys that pick up and bed multiple women in a normal week."
Blacks are notorious liars. I have no doubt they are more successful than most guys but I have myself caught many black guys lying pants down(pun unintended). You sound like a white beta easily fooled into untold stories. Again, not saying its all bunk but still, bitch plz. :)
But yeah, going back to my first post about the uniquely good conditions facing non-stupid, non-criminal and non-ghetto black men, if I was myself and black I wouldn't not exploit the situation. It's really golden in a way they just don't deserve, but in a way that white people(esp. white men) have set up for them. If you had a weakass friend who constantly allowed you to exploit him for your own benefit and he seemed genuinly happy to do so, how many would not jump at the opporunity?
As for your comments about taking a man bigger than your default, I have not seen this in the white woman/black male pairings I have seen. Some are, sure, but many look very average. They do tend to be women who look submissive, this is almost always the case. Where I live most white woman are slim, so I cant validate the fat white women stereotype.
I did notice that in the few cases where the woman was not submissive-looking(literally, their eyes just beam weakness and frailty), she tended to be the dominant one by far and the black male have then tended to be the soft-spoken beta.
(Is it any wonder that they have the highest divorce rates by far of all races?).
Also, is hispanic men/black women really so rare? Surprised to read this. I have heard that in NYC for example there are plenty of young white men with young black women. I can understand this somewhat. That pairing has the lowest divorce rates and the highest satisfaction in sex of all interracial pairings according to the numerous interracial stats I've seen(and on this point they're all consistent). That thought depresses me somewhat, that the women statistically most likely to give me a good sexlife AND low divorce rate is black.
Also a bit of a mystery, too.
"Go ahead, Lenny Kravitz all you want (and technically he's not African-US but African-Bahamian) you dont find many Jews hooking up with Blacks. Either men or their women aren't goin' there."
Drake
Lisa Bonet
Jordan Farmar
Rashida Jones
Tracee Ellis Ross
Ben Harper
Craig David
Lauren London
Maya Rudolph
Sophie Okonedo
Walter Mosley
Lani Guinier
David Bluthenthal
Jurnee Smollett
Sean Paul
Carley Simon
Boris Kodjoe
Paula Abdul
Megan Goode
Anthony Irvin
All from black-Jewish unions.
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Most research does show that its black men who are seeking white women, not the other way around."
Women ultimately make the decision.
"One thing that's remarkable about the testimony of Rachel Jeantel is that it puts on display a black whom one would simply never see under the standard media unspoken rules."
Only in certain venues. My local news stations did not play one second of Precious's testimony (I don't live anywhere near Florida), nor did they cover the case on that day. But they did cover the day of opening statements. I think Precious's testimony was so revealing that my local TV stations would have rather played an old episode of Amos & Andy before they would play this real-life example of a negro behaving so negroidal. Precious really is a living, breathing thoughtcrime incarnate. If any whiteperson did a spot-on impression of her, without exaggeration, without parody, they would be publicly lynched.
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