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Speaking of high fertility:
"A 99-year-old Jerusalem woman who had 1,400 descendants knew all of them, one of her grandchildren said.
Rachel Krishevsky, who married her cousin, Yitzhak, before age 19 and lived to see her great-great grandchildren, died Saturday, Ynetnews.com reported. The couple had 11 children, seven sons and four daughters.
Krishevsky instilled in her children the belief that children are a great joy and that commitment to be fruitful and multiply was adopted by her descendants. They in turn produced 150 children who in turn had more than 1,000 children. By the time Krishevsky died, she also had a few hundred great-great-grandchildren."
I guess Fidel would be an "alpha"! Isnt that the best way to go:lots of kids with different lovely women of various types,all supported by the state! As the Beatles sang:"Two of us riding nowhere,spending someones hard earned pay.."
"He had one child, Fidelito (Little Fidel), with his first wife Myrta Diaz-Balart in 1949..."
For those who don't know, Myrta Diaz-Balart's nephews Lincoln and Mario are currently members of the US House of Representatives. Both are Republicans from Florida.
I'm sure that Fidel's overall impact on Cuba has been highly negative. However, from the HBD perspective his philandering was just what the doctor ordered. No matter what we think of Fidel's politics, we can't deny that he's smarter, healthier and more energetic than the average person, Cuban or otherwise. And he proved all this the old-fashioned way - by clawing his way to the top. Until the 19th century it was normal for European kings to have a dozen or two bastards each. It's a pity that this doesn't happen much anymore.
The wiki on the father of all the recent kings of Saudi Arabia states:
"The number of children that Ibn Saud fathered are unknown. One source indicates that he had 37 sons. His number of wives is put at 22,[8] though never more than three or four simultaneously."
By the way, the wiki also has a great pic of him chatting with FDR.
However, from the HBD perspective his philandering was just what the doctor ordered.
From the article: And if claims made earlier this year by a Cuban intelligence defector that he sired another son in 1970 are true, that would take the count to 11 children by seven women - and counting.
10 / 6 = 1.67
11 / 7 = 1.57
Both of which are extinction-level fertility rates [and much of this would have been back in the 1950s & 1960s, before the advent of chemical abortifacients like the birth control pill].
HBD 101, Anonymous, says genes can come in handy from almost everyone. "Genetic Bottleneck?"
People from just a few men fathering children tend to have high rates of genetic and birth disorders. In Arabia it is reckoned to be around 25% of all births.
So, no, Fidel types are not adaptive. Not to mention that it is a built in incentive for adult men to invest in whatever pillage, lootage, and what have you that you can think of. The record of that in say, Liberia is not a happy one.
Lovely,
So it turns out this socialist paradise, which every liberal worth his salt pilgrimmed to once in his life and keeps applauding, was just one giant f. harem for that cigar chewing imposter Castro. Amazing how so many socialist experiments just turn out to be about money and sex.
I've also heard somewhere that he had a personal net worth of something like $600 million. Quite an accomplishment in a communist country.
I wonder what percentage of those women are of Spanish descent, vs Mestizo, vs African.
Well said sir! Thats exactly what I was going to ask. After all, as liberals are always reminding us, Cuba is a post-racial society, black/white/brown living in perfect harmony.
Both of which are extinction-level fertility rates [and much of this would have been back in the 1950s & 1960s, before the advent of chemical abortifacients like the birth control pill].
You are assuming that none of these girls had any children with anyone else, and if they did that would invalidate the those fertility numbers.
There are probably some stringy haired hags in Berkeley who would kill for the chance to bear El Jefe's child. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, will diminish the slavish adoration of Castro by some leftists in the U.S. and Europe. It was recently revealed that Castro suggested to the Soviets that they launch a preemptive nuclear strike on the U.S. in the early 1980s. Castro also made this suggestion during the Cuban missile crisis. He is the only head of state during the Cold War known to have advocated the use of nukes between the superpowers--not once, but twice.
I think Norman Mailer inadvertently said it best when he admiringly likened Fidel to a giant erect penis.
Yeah - so what do the women's fertility rates have to do with it? The point is that Fidel's had (at least) 10 or 11 kids, though I'd wager it's just as likely to be several dozen. And how do you know these women haven't had children with other men?
"I wonder what percentage of those women are of Spanish descent, vs Mestizo, vs African."
"Well said sir! Thats exactly what I was going to ask. After all, as liberals are always reminding us, Cuba is a post-racial society, black/white/brown living in perfect harmony."
Same shit different country. When I lived in Cuba, white people, behind closed doors, were not shy about expressing their distrust/fear of blacks. Those kids are almost certainly 90% or more white.
You are assuming that none of these girls had any children with anyone else, and if they did that would invalidate the those fertility numbers.
Right, but at the same time, you're positing that the Big Fella would ever relinquish his droit de seigneur with any of the ladies in his harem - my impression is that an uber-alpha banana republic totalitarian probably doesn't look kindly on the stray cuckoo's egg.
Yeah - so what do the women's fertility rates have to do with it?
The assertion was made that Fidel's behavior* was somehow advancing the cause of "human biodiversity", and I was pointing out that - to the contrary - Fidel's behavior* was advancing the cause of human EXTINCTION.
You need a total fertility rate of 2.10 just to tread water - anything less than that and you're dead.
*PS: And that's just his private behavior, without even touching on the monstrous evil of his public life.
But in the end, it all [the public and the private] gets back to the same virulent strain of nihilism which has infected the elites of the civilized world for several centuries now.
PPS: You know, back during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, the Clintonoids tried to argue that a public figure shouldn't be judged by his private behavior.
But if you look at Slick Willy's private life, he was so busy sending his pregnant lovers [like Gennifer Flowers] off to the abortuary [or shooting his spare seed off into the sink] and Hillary was wasting so much time with her dyke pals that together they managed to make only one baby [whose biological father is very likely Webster Hubbell] - a baby who, almost 30 years later, has never married, and [if you believe the tabloids] has developed a moderately serious drinking problem.
For their line to have any realistic chance at succeeding in the long run, then Bill & Hillary would need to get about
2.10 X 2.10 = 4.41
grandchildren out of Chelsea, and given that she turns 30 in about five months, and has yet to marry, I'd wager that the chances of 4.41 grandchildren for Bill & Hillary are somewhere between slim and none.
In fact, I'd go so far as to predict that there is a non-trivial probability that the Clintons will get ZERO grandchildren out of Chelsea.
PPPS: By the way, exactly the same thing is happening to Ronald Reagan's bloodline - unless Ron Jr divorces and remarries a much younger woman, or takes on a young lover and has a bastard child - Ronald Reagan's bloodline is set to disappear from the species.
PPPPS: Abraham Lincoln's last descendant died on December 24, 1985.
PPPPPS: Compare:
RACE MIXTURE IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE
by Tenney Frank
American Historical Review
July 1916, vol. 21, no. 4: 689–708
54-Frank.pdf
...We know, for instance, in Caesar's day of forty-five patricians, only one of whom is represented by posterity when Hadrian came to power. The Aemilii, Fabii, Claudii, Manlii, Valerii, and all the rest, with the exception of the Cornelii, have disappeared. Augustus and Claudius raised twenty-five families to the patriciate, and all but six of them disappear before Nerva's reign. Of the families of nearly four hundred senators recorded in 65 A.D. under Nero, all trace of a half is lost by Nerva's day, a generation later. And the records are so full that these statistics may be assumed to represent with a fair degree of accuracy the disappearance of the male stock of the families in question. Of course members of the aristocracy were the chief sufferers from the tyranny of the century, but this havoc was not all wrought by delatores and assassins. The voluntary choice of childlessness accounts largely for the unparalleled condition...
If Cuba is a welfare state, does that not mean that all of his Caribbean queens are welfare queens?
Castro's droit de seigneur...
We dont know if some of them already had children before the Big Man took a fancy to them. They might also have had more children years later after El Presidente had grown weary of their charms and cut them loose. The fact they were his cast-offs might well give them added appeal to other lower ranking males.
Fidel is Big Banana Man
I understand your point regarding low fertility rates in general. If I didn't I probably wouldn't be a Sailer fan, now would I? I just don't understand how you manage to turn a story about Fidel's high personal fertility rate into a story about the supposed low fertility rate of his women. He's had 10-11 children, supposedly - if not far more. You then turn it into a low fertlity story by arguing that it's only 1.57 children per woman.
But first, you know nothing about the fertility rate of these 7 women. They may have had other children. Second, it's just as rational to measure fertility rates using the male rate as the female rate.
"tote" is to carry. "tot" is to make a list and quantify. dave.s.
Re: castro.
It's good to be the King.
Second, it's just as rational to measure fertility rates using the male rate as the female rate.
NO, NO, NO!!!
That's exactly the point!!!
For purposes of the preservation of the species [vis-a-vis the very real threat of extinction], it's imperative that you ignore the fecundity of the Big Man and concentrate on the overall [female] total fertility rate.
The Big Man can have all the children he wants, but unless his women are producing at 2.10 or higher, then even his own bloodline is destined for extinction.
Fidel Castro is the original Donkey Show.
If Hillary Clinton's bloodline dies out, that will be a good thing. I sincerely hope that Chelsea Clinton never has children.
Ok, so the Roman patricians died out. So what? It doesn't bother me one bit. Are we worse off today because that happened?
I don't worry about low birth rates. You can't expect every population group to reproduce at the same rate. The nature of life is to have wide variation between different individuals, different families, different populations. As part of this natural variation, some will reproduce more than others, which means some lineages will die out while others proliferate. It is the way evolution works. It has always been that way.
For those who don't know, Myrta Diaz-Balart's nephews Lincoln and Mario are currently members of the US House of Representatives. Both are Republicans from Florida.
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Where they are both part of the pro-Spanish, Hispanic nationalist, open borders, pro-mass Latin American immigration crowd. A nice payback for the Anglo-Americans who took them in and gave them a refuge from Castro's Cuba.
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