My review of the new film Disgrace, starring John Malkovich, based on Nobel laureate J.M. Coetzee's 1999 novel about the horrifying fate of white farmers in black-ruled South Africa, is up now at Taki's Magazine.
Read it there and comment upon it here.
It might be amusing after you read my review to read the, shall we say, inexplicit reviews of "Top Critics" on RottenTomatoes.
Read it there and comment upon it here.
It might be amusing after you read my review to read the, shall we say, inexplicit reviews of "Top Critics" on RottenTomatoes.
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Malkovich is great. He's smart, funny, and a terrific actor.
I would not be surprised to find out that he's a regular reader of iSteve. He's famously a reader of Aussie conservative-libertarian Tim Blair and other rightist blogs.
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/seeing_john_malkovich/
The reverse, of course, is true in the US. According to the US Census, the 2005-2007 survey shows a 76% White, 12.5% Black population, and the 2008 estimates are 80% White / 12.8% Black.
I would argue that much of America's greatness has come from "dynamic tension" between the Anglo, Celtic, and African strands of culture and politics.
Demographically, despite the plethora of Middle Class Blacks (about 5% of the total population, or about the same as Gays) America remains a White and overwhelmingly White nation.
It would seem to me that there are clear political limits to what Whites will tolerate in the name of "social peace" and the behavior of the daughter in the movie/book is not very predictive.
Already people are referring to the beating of the White boy in East St. Louis for wanting to sit down in the bus next to the Black boy as the reverse Rosa Parks. If Apartheid and Segregation / Jim Crow were politically unsustainable, so too is the elite political consensus of racial preferences for non-Whites and leniency in criminal/civil matters for non-Whites.
Particularly since there is a Huge White Majority with nowhere else to go and no desire to go anywhere. Everyone and every people have their limits.
Just in the past year or so, the outflow of whites from South Africa has drastically slowed down and may actually have reversed.
Peter
Oddly enough, this story fits into the Killer Groupie Syndrome discussed in an earlier post. If Catholicism has been marked by the Madonna/Whore complex, liberalism is marked by the Madonna(the singer)/Bore complex. Privileged white liberals don't only consider themselves historically guilty for the crimes of 'racism' and imperialism but also BORING as hell--white bread, bland, etc. So, they seek out excitement and thrill. Now, what race is most thrillingly fascinating--physically, musically, sexually--to white liberals, especially females? Just consider Madonna and her stint as the inflateable sex doll for the NBA. Consider that one of the biggest rap hits among white girls was 'Niggaz fur Luv', a song celebrating black gang rape of a white girl. Though liberal white women don't actually want to be raped, they do have a fascination with big studly and masterful black men. I don't think white liberal gals would be really turned on by stories of white women raped by short Mexicans or scrawny Japanese. Most romance novels are about white women being carried away by tall, dark, and handsome men, and even if most male heroes are not black, they are THE INTRUDER into the humdrum lives of dainty white women. In Wuthering Heights, Heathcliff was supposed to be darkly gypsie-ish dude. Othello is about a big tall jealous masterful black guy. Though he goes crazy and kills the white gal, many white women are turned on by the 'jungle fever' aspect of the play. White liberals feel guilt not only for their historical 'crimes' but for the fact that they are 'bland', 'square', 'dull', and colorless. What was the appeal of 'Lilies of the Field'? A bunch of repressed nuns are liberated by fabulously charismatic black guy. Well, why not by a white guy? Because a white guy--unless perhaps Italian or Greek--is too bland, anxious, and dull himself. It has to be a confident, musical, and self-assured black guy. But, this sort of thing doesn't happen overnight. There has to be cross-over figures like Nelson Mandela or Barack Obama whocalms the anxious side of whites fearful of a 'black planet'.
So, the ongoing sympathy for South African blacks by white liberals isn't just about historical morality but biological drives. White feminists and leftists favor blackness partly out of guilt but also out of fascination--like one held by the singer Madonna for all those Big NBA players. All said and done, white liberals are primitivists at their psychological root. The Madonna(singer)/Bore complex is wedded to the King/Kong complex. Part of white liberals look upon blacks as being like the noble Dr. Martin Luther King(at least the myth) but another part is fascinated with the mighty Kong aspect of blackness.
Well, what do white liberal boys get out of this? Because they've been castrated and wussified in the past 40 yrs, they too think and act like white liberal women. Just look at Ken Burns for chrissakes!! Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter could kick that white girly man's ass.
Would the South African police really not investigate the reported rape of a middle-class white woman, where the perpetrators were obvious? Anyone have any good information on this?
Likewise can't see how Malkovich ever got cast as a ladies' man. But he was great at playing a psycho would-be presidential assassin in my favorite Eastwood vehicle, the under-appreciated "In the Line of Fire" (which also boasts a post-"Red October," pre-"Law and Order" Fred Thompson as the insufferable White House chief of staff).
Liberals can rationalize *anything*, absolutely anything. Almost their body of thought is rationalization.
The story is an allegory of this but not a completely obvious one, as it *could* happen.
Minorities are well-behaved when they are a small part of an otherwise European society. This has served them very well in gaining power- after all, the ones middle class white people encounter are perfectly nice, so there's no reason why the others with a little understanding and schooling the rest can't be like that too! But we have been conned, we were looking at the "talented tenth" who were half white anyway.
I think Coetzee looks more like Clint Eastwood. Judging from his laconic answers to his interviwer, he talks like some of the characters Eastwood has portrayed. Eastwood should have been cast.
I doubt that I'll see the movie or read the novel. Both sound too predictive of the future of America, and therefore too depressing.
Are South Africans allowed to carry firearms legally (the farmer claims he never goes anywhere without his Beretta)? Somehow I doubt it.
Staggeringly depressing. I bought the book on Amazon before I read your review- not going to read now...
Dn in DC
I will marry Lucy.”
[Lurie] cannot believe his ears. So this is it, that is what all the shadow-boxing was for: this bid, this blow! …
“You will marry Lucy,” he says carefully. “Explain to me what you mean. No, wait, rather don’t explain. This is not something I want to hear. This is not how we do things.”
We; he is on the point of saying, We Westerners. …
Not Westerners, Whites! What is this-even in a novel as politically incorrect as this the white character can't even say it in his head. W-H-I-T-E.
John Malkovich (best known for, well, Being John Malkovich)
This might be only nitpicking but, gosh, Steve, this line is disappointing! You are a movie critic. You should know damn well that Malkovich was famous and highly respected easily a decade before the Jonze's breakthrough. Quite obviously, that's why Kaufman chose him to begin with.
Steve, you have forgotten me.
But then, even though I’ve followed his career since his Steppenwolf days in Chicago theatre, I’m not sure why he’s a movie star at all.
It's gotten to the point where I can't watch more than 5 minutes of any movie that he is in.
Just in the past year or so, the outflow of whites from South Africa has drastically slowed down and may actually have reversed.
Perhaps things are starting to turn around in South Africa. Are there any South Africans here who can confirm this?
Women will always submit to the savage male who dominates them. Always. They ill jerk the chains of their pet white boys, but they will always submit.
The DNA history of Iceland shows that the line of matrilineal descent is from Ireland from which they were kidnapped and raped.
Women yearn to submit, seek fulfillment in submission at a visceral level, and Coetzee knows it.
Liberal women will, like the daughter in disgrace, find a way torationalize their submission, and as long as all the other women submit, too, will take pleasure in it and in the reflected glory of their rapist/oppressor.
The early chronicles of America are full of stories of the kidnapping and ravishment of western women who chose to stay with their Indian "oppressors" ... or never tried to escape.
This is one of the troubling things about the Dugard story. It will come out over time that she submitted to her kidnapper, willingly bore him children and did not leave when she had the chance. It is a woman's nature.
What troubles women more than anything else is what other women think of them, not what they think for themselves.
If there are no other women to judge them for submitting, they will do it gladly.
This is not the Western/White way?
See 'Swept Away'. (No not the remake)
This is simply any society without protection for women.
"So, the ongoing sympathy for South African blacks by white liberals isn't just about historical morality but biological drives. White feminists and leftists favor blackness partly out of guilt but also out of fascination--like one held by the singer Madonna for all those Big NBA players. All said and done, white liberals are primitivists at their psychological root. The Madonna(singer)/Bore complex is wedded to the King/Kong complex. Part of white liberals look upon blacks as being like the noble Dr. Martin Luther King(at least the myth) but another part is fascinated with the mighty Kong aspect of blackness. "
That was a really great comment. I recently wrote about the romanticization of non-whites in European film. My recommendation is trying to get info on HBD out there and letting women know how plain stupid masculine dark people are. A woman isn't attracted to somebody she doesn't respect, and nobody respects the stupid.
This is one of the troubling things about the Dugard story. It will come out over time that she submitted to her kidnapper, willingly bore him children and did not leave when she had the chance. It is a woman's nature.
I once had an account at Free Republic banned because I surmised the same thing about the Elizabeth Smart case [that she was probably enjoying all the, ah, "affection" that she was receiving]...
Good call on Malkovich. I'm sure he's a great guy, but it's like constant fingernails on a chalkboard when he plays a love interest.
"This is one of the troubling things about the Dugard story. It will come out over time that she submitted to her kidnapper, willingly bore him children and did not leave when she had the chance. It is a woman's nature.
What troubles women more than anything else is what other women think of them, not what they think for themselves.
If there are no other women to judge them for submitting, they will do it gladly."
Another great comment. This thread and the one on serial killers have been a delight to read.
If we determine that women want to submit to men, would anybody here argue that women in Saudi Arabia are happier than those in the West?
Though liberal white women don't actually want to be raped, they do have a fascination with big studly and masterful black men. I don't think white liberal gals would be really turned on by stories of white women raped by short Mexicans or scrawny Japanese. Most romance novels are about white women being carried away by tall, dark, and handsome men, and even if most male heroes are not black, they are THE INTRUDER into the humdrum lives of dainty white women.
Isn't one of the theories for the development of some "white" or "Nordic" phenotypes that it was due to sexual selection? The basic scenario for this is that there was a severe paucity of men relative to women and that the men competed heavily for the most attractive women. The phenotypes like colored eyes/hair that arose in the women were selected for as the successful men took those women as mates. Presumably, these men were pretty swarthy, dark types, especially at the earliest stages many years ago. And the men have been relatively darker than the women even as both sexes have become progressively lighter in color.
OK, that was the most depressing movie review I've ever read.
I've seen a few South Africans here in New York. Like a lot of people, I usually try not to think about the horrors they left behind.
The crime wave in SA is getting worse. The police do not seem able or willing to do anything about it. The criminal justice system is not working. Whites there have been weakened for a long time now, by international abandonment and vilification, by university-type PC idiots within SA, by de facto disarmament, by not having had enough kids when the going was good, by emigration of much of the cognitive elite, and by the uncoupling of big business interests from the security of the white petits-bourgeosie. Much of this is the fault of the white leadership, and cannot be blamed on black people.
Just as Zimbabwe was the signpost for SA, so SA is now the signpost for the United States and Europe, which are, in their own unique ways, heading inexorably down the same road.
In a tough world, extinction is the only reward for weakness.
Anon.
Roman, the Polish plumber said...
"Steve, you have forgotten me."
Today I saw a tabloid headline to the effect that Woody Allen has jumped to Mr. Polansky's defense. Think about that, folks. Woody Allen!
OK, geniuses, if women are like this, then please explain that fact that 99% of the admittedly tiny number of female HBD believers came to that belief because of our fear of NAM violence.
"You are a movie critic. You should know damn well that Malkovich was famous and highly respected easily a decade before the Jonze's breakthrough."
Right, he was in that jewel thief movie!
"Perhaps things are starting to turn around in South Africa."
There's a commodity boom going on. South Africa is a commodity-rich country.
"My recommendation is trying to get info on HBD out there and letting women know how plain stupid masculine dark people are. A woman isn't attracted to somebody she doesn't respect, and nobody respects the stupid."
A surefire way that a bunch of HBD nerds are not going to be scoring chicks is if they go around trying to persuade women that the attractive, socially dominant guys are stupid.
Women already aren't attracted to the stupid, just as they aren't really attracted to guys with sky high IQs. There's clearly a cost to both low IQ and very high IQ. At the lower levels you get incompetence, poor resource accumulation, etc., and at the highest levels you start getting into introverted, social retard, autistic territory.
Re: Population increase in South Africa.
From Wikipedia:
"Despite high emigration levels, a high level of non-South African white immigrants have settled in the country, in particular from countries such as Britain and Zimbabwe. For example, by 2005, an estimated 212 000 British citizens were residing in South Africa. Since 2003, the numbers of British migrants coming to South Africa has risen by 50%. An estimated 20 000 British migrants moved to South Africa in 2007. There have also been a significant number of white Zimbabwean arrivals, fleeing their home country in light of the economic and political problems currently facing the country."
I've heard bad things about living in England, but it must really suck if they choose South Africa instead.
I think we should encourage white South Africans to illegally emigrate to the US. We could establish non-profits who would guide them to sanctuary cities, help them enroll in welfare benefits, and to quickly have children so that they will have a toe-hold to remain here. If anyone demands they leave, we will accuse them of being racists against these poor white undocumented workers. And we will have white politicians lobby for their legalization and for affirmative actions programs where they are encouraged to compete for jobs with liberals in professions as such as journalism, law, & academia.
"OK, geniuses, if women are like this, then please explain that fact that 99% of the admittedly tiny number of female HBD believers came to that belief because of our fear of NAM violence."
I'll take a stab at it. Conscious thought and subconscious proclivities are sometimes found to be in conflict with each other. Not just in women, in men too. In civilized men and women the conscious prevails over the subconscious more often than in uncivilized ones.
Conscious reason generally tells women to seek safety and security ("provider betas" in Roissy speak). Subconscious instincts tell women to seek bad boys ("alphas", in extreme cases up to and including rapists and murderers).
If in your mind reason has triumphed over primeval instinct, congratulations. Civilization is a really swell thing and we should all be proud of it.
Men who curb (either because they love their wives or because they're afraid of disease, or because they're devoted to their jobs) their primeval instincts to be as promiscuous as they can get away with are also following reason over instinct.
Just in the past year or so, the outflow of whites from South Africa has drastically slowed down and may actually have reversed.
Evidence?
Based on your excerpt that has to be one of the most REVOLTING stories I've ever heard.
A fictional case study of liberals as suicidal Eloi!
Incidentally, the main reason it's hard to picture Malkovich as a Lothario is he's, uh, obviously gay.
Privileged white liberals don't only consider themselves historically guilty for the crimes of 'racism' and imperialism but also BORING as hell.
I dont think they consider themselves guilty or boring. Thats for you proles. They consider themselves above all that, its not a status game for nothing.
Big Bill said: "Women will always submit to the savage male who dominates them. Always. They ill jerk the chains of their pet white boys, but they will always submit.
"The DNA history of Iceland shows that the line of matrilineal descent is from Ireland from which they were kidnapped and raped."
Your use of Iceland as an example that "women will always submit" is a poor one.
Of course those women submitted. They were stuck on an island with no hope of escape. Whatcha want them to do? Commit mass suicide?
That would violate Rule #1 in the Great Game of Life: be fruitful and multiply (or pass your genes on to the next generation 'cause that's what your "selfish" genes drive you to do).
(BTW - I don't think *all* women will *always* submit to the savage male. I'm sure plenty of White [and other] women would not. If you said many or even most, I might've been able to buy it. But not all.)
I had to read this boring book in college. What a snoozer. I can't believe someone actually decided to make a movie out of it.
I'll bet you anything its a BOMB!
"At the lower levels you get incompetence, poor resource accumulation, etc., and at the highest levels you start getting into introverted, social retard, autistic territory."
What a stirring defense of mediocrity. Such conviction in it, too.
Conscious reason generally tells women to seek safety and security ("provider betas" in Roissy speak). Subconscious instincts tell women to seek bad boys ("alphas", in extreme cases up to and including rapists and murderers).
If in your mind reason has triumphed over primeval instinct, congratulations. Civilization is a really swell thing and we should all be proud of it.
Men who curb (either because they love their wives or because they're afraid of disease, or because they're devoted to their jobs) their primeval instincts to be as promiscuous as they can get away with are also following reason over instinct.
Technology is a big part of civilization too. You don't have to be Ted Kaczynski to notice that technology increasingly makes the mores, customs, restrictions, etc., of previous centuries more and more irrelevant and unnecessary.
I would like to respond to mysogynistic opinions about the fate of Elizabeth Smart and the other recent female victim of abduction. Women are not the only ones to "submit" this way. There has been the obvious counterexample of the Shawn Hornbeck case in the recent media (within last several years)(obvious to people with IQ on the right side of the curve). He too made no attempt to escape during his five year captivity, even though he was allowed to work a job and venture out to a local mall.
Probably, there is a built in psychological mechanism whereby children can accept new guardians during times of trauma, and perverts haved learned to exploit this.
If anyone demands they leave, we will accuse them of being racists against these poor white undocumented workers.
For uber-liberals, the defining point of their lives would be to have a job enforcing immigration control and getting to deport white South Africans. Or at least observing as a non-white immigration official physically propels an illegal white South African onto a waiting plane to go back to Africa. Im sure for the right kind of liberal this event would trigger responses akin to that of sexual ecstasy!
If we determine that women want to submit to men, would anybody here argue that women in Saudi Arabia are happier than those in the West?
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This is the craziest idea I've ever heard. Saudi Arabia. Yah, right... *shaking head*.
You folks who think woman want to be dominated by violent alpha men are a bunch of crack pots.
@Andrea Beavis Butthead:
Madonna was an equal opportunity chooser when it came to men: whomever would help her career, that's who she would sleep with. Before Rodman, there was Messier. I like to think of Madonna as a sexual/relationship day trader - constantly looking to upgrade her portfolio with that which would make her more valuable.
Add Guy Ritchie (director of the great Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels as well as the very good Snatch), who was seen as the "next big thing" in 1999, and you see her modus operandi. She's nothing if not shrewd.
Completely OT, but this is the quote of the week"
"the 'Blacker' the talk, the Whiter the wife"
From Evia talking about Van Jones and other far Left black men
http://www.blackfemaleinterracialmarriage.com/
Black women seeking white men websites are better than any soap opera and I'm
being completely serious: their travails pull me in and make me cheer them on (never have and never will comment). Being a white woman, the strident animus some have against ww turns me off, but I always go back for the drama :)
"Are South Africans allowed to carry firearms legally (the farmer claims he never goes anywhere without his Beretta)? Somehow I doubt it."
I believe during the apartheid era the public carry/conceal carry laws were pretty generous. I don't know about today though. Hopefully a South African can chime in.
-Vanilla Thunder
Steve,
Who do I need to petition to get your movie reviews included on Rotten Tomatoes?
Whiskey wrote:
"According to the US Census, the 2005-2007 survey shows a 76% White, 12.5% Black population, and the 2008 estimates are 80% White / 12.8% Black."
THe white percentage of the population is increasing? Can that be right?
From Vox Pop:
"Disgrace raises intriguing questions about the artistic tradition of using animals to serve as proxies for human depravity."
Do tell!!
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/popvox/archive/2009/09/30/in-disgrace-animal-violence-makes-us-feel-disgraceful.aspx
If in your mind reason has triumphed over primeval instinct, congratulations. Civilization is a really swell thing and we should all be proud of it.
Sheer terror that kept me up at night for while as the reality of America's future managed to smash its way through my decades of SWPL conditioning = reason? It sure didn't feel reasonable at the time.
And I'm pretty sure I recognize that prose style... stop chasing me around the internet dude.
Malkovich was excellent in the Cohen Bros' movie last year - "Burn After Reading" - a movie I would argue is excellent and also HBD realist. Not so much for its treatment of minorities but for the movie's clear eyed take on human nature - most people are not as smart as they think they are and will do all sorts of idiotic things to try to gain or preserve their social status without really understanding why they are doing them. Needless to say most critics found the film "cynical" and "amoral" without being able to explain what they meant by that.
For example, by 2005, an estimated 212 000 British citizens were residing in South Africa. Since 2003, the numbers of British migrants coming to South Africa has risen by 50%. An estimated 20 000 British migrants moved to South Africa in 2007.
In general, the UK has suffered net emigration of white peepul during the Blair-Brown years. Britons are emigrating to Canada, Australia, and the USA as well as to SA and some Asian job hot spots.
This white emigration is in itself worth an iSteve piece.
Regarding Icelandic women with Irish DNA: no one really knows what percentage departed Eire willingly versus unwillingly. Kidnapped, eloped, married with the blessing of their parents, who can say?
Irish women of that era didn't have to emigrate to experience the thrill of violence. There was plenty of intra-Irish warfare in those times ... one reason why Viking raids were successful.
Though liberal white women don't actually want to be raped, they do have a fascination with big studly and masterful black men.
You're speaking from personal experience and/or favorite fantasy, correct? And of course you're an F, not an M.
... Davenport thinks to himself that iSteve is starting to attract posters of a certain erotic ilk. The denouncer of decadence attracts decadents.
OT, but I wonder if anyone saw this:
'US Jews back military strike on Iran'
It's interesting in light of the common rejoinder that, in addition to being overwhelmingly liberal and Democratic, there's a strong tendency to pursue or advocate "suicidal" policies as far as Israel and its security is concerned. It doesn't seem to be the case.
I had Coetzee as a teacher in a small seminar at the Committee on Social Thought at the U of Chicago a few years ago... the worst teacher I have ever had. Silent in a nasty, intimidating way, just the opposite of what a good teacher does with students. Quietly arrogant, distant, interrogating you like a sinister policeman if you had anything half-decent to say. He won the Nobel Prize while teaching the course, this had no visible effect on him.
His books are like the man: cold, emotionally maimed. His autobiography, Youth, was the only one I could get through. Now that I think of it, when he writes about the vacant girl and the pushover father in Disgrace, he's writing about himself.
Malkovich has a weird, semi-lisping delivery, but then again, so did Marlon Brando, and it served him well enough. Malkovich does well playing characters of high intellect and sophistication who give off a creepy, sexually ambivalent vibe. I thought he was quite good in Ripley's Game. An internet synopsis of the film says that Malkovich "exudes his usual, oily disenchantment with the world," which seems about right.
As for the future of S. Africa, 28% of men admit to having committed rape, about half of those having committed it more than once. 1 in 10 men admit to having been raped by another man. (In digging up these stats, I ran across a claim that women are now raping men in S. Africa, mostly women with HIV who want to get some payback. I don't know about the veracity of this story).
Speaking of HIV, 8% of the male population, and 13.6% of the female populaiton are HIV positive. Infection peaks in early adulthood, with 26% of men aged 30 to 34 and 33% of women aged 25 to 30 HIV positive.
In S. Africa, 7% of reported rapes lead to a conviction.
S. Africa's estimated average IQ: 72.
It's gonna take more than the World Cup to pull them out of their slide.
Re: Jerry's comment about Coetzee, I ran across this quotation on Wikipeda from someone who apparently knows him:
"Coetzee is a man of almost monkish self-discipline and dedication. He does not drink, smoke or eat meat. He cycles vast distances to keep fit and spends at least an hour at his writing-desk each morning, seven days a week. A colleague who has worked with him for more than a decade claims to have seen him laugh just once. An acquaintance has attended several dinner parties where Coetzee has uttered not a single word."
If any of you guys are serious about finding out what's really happening to the white farmers, and their fight against land theft by the racist ANC regime, you can contact Afriforum and Solidarity, the former an agricultural interest group representing the white farmers, the latter representing white laborers. Both groups are doing excellent work organizing and protecting the remaining farmers and their interests. They also offer good self-defense courses for the farmers and their families, i.e. the women learn how to deal with rape attacks etc. There is another organization, AKSKA, run by former white Special Forces guys which are in the know about the tactics of the ANC-sponsored criminal syndicates.
www.afriforum.co.za/english/
www.solidaritysa.co.za/Tuis/tuis.php
www.akska.co.za
www.nestlebloodmilk.com/
Afriforsum's current anti-Nestle boycott. Nestle is buying the milk of a poached dairy farm belonging to a white farmer in Zimbabwe who was forcefully evicted and had to flea fearing for his life. The farm was confiscated by Grace Mugabe, the prostitute wife of the racist tin-pot dictator, Mugabe. She is just cashing in whilst the farm lasts since it’s obvious that it will be run down eventually, like everything in Africa. She uses the state thugs organized as "war veterans" to force competition from refraining from dairy farming. Nestle are making bucks on the backs of many victims. Please join the Nestle boycott.
-Vanilla Thunder w.r.t. carrying fire arms:
The new fire arm laws which went into place beginning of this year have vastly reduced the firearm ownership by whites. I managed to get my old dad's firearm licence renewed with some effort. On his own he would have sat without a Beretta now. The government cites crime for these laws but of course the syndicates don't care about firearm laws and many police and soldiers sell weapons to the syndicates.
Whites speculate that the real intention is to disarm the whites in preparation for a future genocide. You can still buy and carry weapons but it is a bureaucratic nightmare and the hurdles are high for whites. The professional white firearm carriers know how to get around it and we all hope there are enough of them around when the mass killing starts. In Africa genocide is invariable. Currently there is a lot of chatter amongst Afrikaners and radical blacks about an imminent genocide against whites. There have been many black officials who have incited openly against whites.
The domination of Western politics by the Left wing/ethnic combo is a temporary phenomenon, especially in Europe. Too many people are opposed to it and it is economically and socially disasterous.
I think the UK will be the first to shatter it into a thousand pieces. The Labour Party will be destroyed at the next General Election. After that a new party, but not the BNP, will emerge and will win the support of most of old Labour and the old Tory voters.
BTW Am I the only person who thinks that the main thing blacks now contribute in the West is chaos?
Black Sea,
Coetzee is a very Afrikaans name. During Apartheid people with that name would typically be full-blooded supporters of the National Party and perhaps professional soldiers or policemen, maybe higher up in the hierarchy. I'm still puzzled by Afrikaners turned liberals. It's so antagonistic. I can only surmise that it's due to a deep emotional trauma which has to do with watching the ultimate political disaster unfold before their eyes (John Vorster, an earlier Afrikaner PM, once called it a situation “too ghastly to contemplate”). For Afrikaners the loss of power in 1994 was traumatic. Basically they have not recovered from it to this day. Many psychologists in South Africa have suggested that Afrikaner males are collectively still in depression and suffering from shock due to their loss of power. It's not really about power-for-perks, but rather losing control of your destiny and the resources needed to take care of yourself and your family. Afrikaner males have been emasculated.
I can't get out my mind Malkovich's wanting to see Robert Fisk dead, because Fisk opposes Israel's crimes against its neighbors, and the West's fighting Israel's further-flung wars. The dude's weirdo act wasn't cute after that.
http://www.counterpunch.org/fisk0513.html
Two questions, one speculative and one asking for hard facts, that I hope can be answered without rancor from either side (even though they are so sensitive that I am breaking with my usual non-cowardice policy and posting anonymously):
1. The implication of many comments above, and perhaps even Steve's original review, is that the apartheidists (real word?) were right: black South Africans are incorrigibly savage and would inevitably destroy the country if given power, as they are in fact doing.
But if that's true, why didn't black Africans plunge the country into chaos much earlier, before apartheid was repealed? White South Africans may have had better technology and better brains, but it would be hard to beat a 9 to 1 population advantage if the blacks determined to just start a constant riot. It seems a pretty sorry savage that is deterred from savagery just by a sign saying "Don't go on this beach," when he knows he has a 9 to 1 population advantage.
So, is there some other factor that has caused 1990s-2000s South Africa to be so horrible? Does AIDS lower IQ or the moral sense? Has this been studied?
2. What about the rest of Africa? I know many, if not all, the nations are in bad shape to varying degrees, and some like Liberia and the two Congos and Zimbabwe are complete basket cases, but do any others have a rape reign of terror? Is there something (whether cultural or genetic) uniquely bad about South African blacks to make them rape-inclined, or are rapes going on the other nations at this rate, but unreported in the Western press?
Not unheard of in liberal tomes for the white writer to refer to rape by or cuckolding by a "virile" man of color. Seems almost necessary at times for this scenario to be included in any writing by a white lib. Suprised that some pseudo feminist has not published an Obama rape fantasy by now.
"You're speaking from personal experience and/or favorite fantasy, correct? And of course you're an F, not an M."
It's called going outside. Go to a club. Watch black guys interact with white chicks.
In digging up these stats, I ran across a claim that women are now raping men in S. Africa"
No offense, but how does a woman rape a man? If a man doesn't wanna do it, he can't do it.
"You're speaking from personal experience and/or favorite fantasy, correct? And of course you're an F, not an M."
Just look at popular culture and look all around. I see more black male/white female partners than ever before.
Yes, I think Andrea is a F name, and no, it's not my personal fantasy. I'm a white survivalist through and through.
When the blacks took over Zanzibar from the Arabs
Hundreds of Asian women ( Indian and Arab and Persian ) were forcibly
'married' to the new black rulers
This was circa 1965
The implication of many comments above, and perhaps even Steve's original review, is that the apartheidists (real word?) were right: black South Africans are incorrigibly savage and would inevitably destroy the country if given power, as they are in fact doing.
I wrote this some time ago to try and explain and understand the violance inSouth Africa. Its my view.
When the blacks took over Zanzibar from the Arabs
Hundreds of Asian women ( Indian and Arab and Persian ) were forcibly
'married' to the new black rulers
Source? I don't believe Arabs would give their women up without a fight.
In 1964, an armed revolution by blacks overthrew the arab rulers
The arabs had no choice but to lump it
A lot of pretty asian teenagers were forcibly married to 50 year old men of the black junta
This stuff came in Indian newspapers for years
Post 1964 Zanzibar, after the blacks took over
Indian magazines had stories of young Indian women forcibly raped by black officials by forced marriages
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Where humans and spirits meet: the politics of rituals and identified
By Kjersti Larsen
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In 1970, the Forced Marriage Act was enacted by which African men had the right to forcibly marry unmarried women of Arab or Asian stock, even though their families and the girl objected
Due to this act, unmarried Asian women fled the island or committed suicide or quickly married a cousin
This act was repealed in 1972
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Black birth rates are somewhat higher than white birth rates but lower than Latino birth rates, especially immigrant Latinos (who often come from rural areas).
I do think immigration from Africa has increased recently, from what I have seen. I should check the stats on that.
I don't see as much immigration from Eastern Europe as 10 or 15 years ago. People from the new EU countries (Poland, Czech, Romania etc.) are going to Western Europe not the US, and people from Ukraine, Moldova, Armenia etc. are going either to the EU or to Russia. Eastern Europe is in serious demographic decline, anyway, so they are not going to be contributing many immigrants period.
In other words, there are more black folks and fewer white folks coming into the country. In the long term, the black population is going to be pretty stable, and the white population is going to decline.
I can be of some help regards "Two Questions" and other African nations. Spent several weeks recently in Zambia, a peaceful country for many years. And unlike other parts of Africa not over-populated.
Through the centuries it was barely touched by Portuguese traders; and the English, who occupied the place for 75 years or so, were of small number and seldom engaged in sexual contacts.
We found these "purely" bantu people to be without initative, childish, and of dull eye. IQ maybe 70.
Christo
"No offense, but how does a woman rape a man? If a man doesn't wanna do it, he can't do it."
I figured somebody would ask. This is from Hatiwebs.com. As I said previously, I'm not vouching for the source:
"Nevertheless, if a man is not in the right mood for sex, the rapists have a way of creating one. They caress, suck and rub the victim's penis with a lotion. And before you say rape, the penis is erect and ready for action.
In another incident widely reported in the local media, two women allegedly lured a 21-year old job seeker away from a brick company by pretending they were equally looking for work. While walking across an open field, they pounced on the young man and raped him. According to report, police arrested a woman while the other escaped.
The victim told the police thus: “They threatened me, forced me to take off my pants, and then rubbed lotion on my penis to get an erection. The other woman kept watch while the arrested woman had sex with me.”
Saturday Sun investigation, however, revealed that the alleged rapists are mostly AIDS infected women, who believed that they have contacted the killer disease from men and have decided to pay them back in their own coins.
Lebo Leburu, a shop assistant in Johannesburg, told Saturday Sun thus: “The rapists are AIDS infected prostitutes. They are angry that men have given them the disease and have decided to give it back to them.”
The website is here:
http://www.haitiwebs.com/forums/women_health/43645-south_africa_women_now_rape_men.html
"In Africa genocide is invariable. Currently there is a lot of chatter amongst Afrikaners and radical blacks about an imminent genocide against whites. There have been many black officials who have incited openly against whites."
After Mandela dies, it will begin...No Western nations will help you either.
The best thing that could happen for white Africans is consolidation and independence. It's obvious just from looking at them that Afrikaaners and Bantus are different people with different traditions etc.
Both populations deserve autonomy. Separate nations for separate people.
I doubt blacks will attempt a Rwanda-style genocide against white Africans. In a short, fast war The blacks would be slaughtered. Unmixed blacks have IQ's equivalent to mental ages of 11. They'd need 100:1 not 10:1 to stand a chance.
Blacks will keep using chronic rape, theft, and murder to ethnically cleanse the country. Just like urban blacks ethnically cleansed US cities.
I don't even know if it's a deliberate policy. It could just be what they do to anyone.
South African liberals are beginning to see the light. Google "Julius Malema" to understand the way that African racism is moving into the mainstream.
Malema is the future face of African politics in SA. The head of the ANC's youth wing, with horrible school results, he managed to climb politically because of his fanatical support of now-president Jacob Zuma. He maintains his position with constant race-baiting. To call him a future Idi Amin would not be an exaggeration.
Malema recently railed against minorities in Zuma's cabinet, violating the ANCs longstanding policy that the Indians and mixed-race Coloured technocrats were not to be lumped in with whites. Although he was lighly admonished, the minority useful idiots who supported the ANC and aided in the transition to African rule are seeing the writing on the wall.
The ANC's graft, corruption, and shortsightedness -they almost ruined the economy in early 2008 by requiring the state eletricity company to buy poor quality coal from connected black suppliers, which damaged the generators, and led to power cuts- is getting worse.
Public corruption is rampant, and corrupt officials are protected, and their critics are branded "racists".
Infrastructure is crumbling. ANC controlled municipalities are totally dysfunctional, and the municipality that controls the capital exceeded its overdraft because it was too afraid to collect on electricity bills from black voters before the recent elections.
It is interesting that black people in South Africa are not blind to the problems of the ANC, and they protest openly, and sometimes violently against the ANC. But the ANC's enormous wealth, initially funded by do-gooder western liberals, and more recently by scared white business and possibly the Chinese, mean that they crush any opposition at the ballot box.
Unless the ANC splits convincingly, and soon, South Africa is doomed.
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