From the NYT:
Justice Department to Restart Hate Crime Investigation in Trayvon Martin’s Death
By ERIC LIPTON
WASHINGTON — The Justice Department said Sunday that it was restarting its investigation into the 2012 shooting death of Trayvon Martin to consider possible separate hate crime charges against George Zimmerman.
The federal inquiry, which was started shortly after the shooting last year but had been delayed while the state criminal trial in Florida was under way, was being restarted after civil rights leaders called on the Justice Department to re-examine the case. The leaders said Sunday that they remained convinced that the shooting had a racial element. Mr. Martin, 17, was black.
“There is a pattern of George Zimmerman making dozens of calls to 911 over several years, frequently about young men of color,” Benjamin T. Jealous, the president of the N.A.A.C.P., said in an interview on Sunday. . ...
Zimmerman is guilty of disparate impact in noticing things. Noticing things is a hate crime.
But the Obama administration’s Justice Department has been cautious in its use of the expanded law. In 2010, for example, it turned down calls by civil rights leaders to file charges in New York City in the 2006 death of Sean Bell, a 23-year-old black man who was fatally shot by police officers outside a Queens club just hours before he was to be married.
Yeah, but that's merely the little old NYPD. The Zimmerman Menace is the main threat to civil rights.
Earlier, Newsday reported:
The U.S. Justice Department, which opened an investigation into the George Zimmerman case Sunday, could charge him with federal civil rights violations, local attorneys said.
While a Florida jury found neighorbood watch volunteer Zimmerman not guilty of second-degree murder, a federal probe would examine whether he violated Martin's civil rights when he fatally shot him Feb. 16, 2012, in Sanford, Fla.
To prove such violations requires a different standard of evidence and law than what was used in the state case against Zimmerman. So a federal prosecution would not be double jeopardy, they said.
Robert Valli, a Garden City-based civil rights attorney said if a probe proceeds, the local federal prosecutor would likely seek a grand jury indictment on charges that Zimmerman violated the federal Hate Crimes Prevention Act.
Valli said potential charges would be the government's "version of a homicide charge, coupled with the intention to do so because of the person's membership in a protected class."
Constitutionally speaking, wouldn't it just be simpler for Obama to order a drone strike on Zimmerman's condo?
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Better 'hate' than never.
Orwellian or Kafkaesque?
It never ends.
Zimmerman went to sleep one day and woke up to find out he's a giant white cockroach.
He's been declared innocent but he must be guilty of something.
If you're a 'white Hispanic' and your father is white, make sure to take your mother's last name.
There should be a two-track civil rights investigation. One on Zimmerman for racial hate-think. The second on Zimmerman as a victim of gay-bashing. What exactly did Trayvon Martin mean when he referred to Zimmerman as a "creepy-ass cracker" before assaulting him?
Disparate impact in noticing things. Noticing things is a hate crime.
iSteve Sports Break News Flash - disparate impact in noticing that two Jamaican sprinters just got busted for doping.
Double jeopardy? Constitution stuff. Yawn.
How much more scandal, law breaking, selective enforcement and general disregard for the constitution by this adminstration before people speak up?
Obama can do a lot of damage before the '14 midterms.
The saying used to be, "It's not the cover-up, it's the crime."
Nowadays, it's "It's not the crime, it's if it was racist."
I remember the speculation about whether or not Jeffrey Dahmer ate so many black guys because he was racist, as if the reason why he chose who he killed and ate was Very Important to the judgment of his character.
We've found a group of "criminals" that now even the sex offenders can beat up and rape in the penitentiary with tacit approval. We might as well just bring back being drawn, quartered, and disemboweled for First Degree Racism
Anonymous said...
Orwellian or Kafkaesque?
It never ends.
Zimmerman went to sleep one day and woke up to find out he's a giant white cockroach.
He's been declared innocent but he must be guilty of something.
Definitely Kafka. Zimmerman's life has become The Trial.
I'm just amazed at all the deeply stupid reactions to this verdict. Stand Your Ground must be repealed, says Andrew Sullivan, else we will return to the era in which black men can be lynched with impunity. Of course, Stand Your Ground wasn't even invoked by the defense, nor can I see what relevance it has in a situation in which a man is getting his head pounded into a sidewalk, but why let facts get into the way of emoting?
"Constitutionally speaking, wouldn't it just be simpler for Obama to order a drone strike on Zimmerman's condo?"
lol.
If only he had been a Martinez or a Gonzalez.
I would be happy (for his sake) to learn that Zimmerman left the country today.
As someone remarked already, if he goes to Latin America there is a chance they won't agree to extradite him, because he was exonerated in a court.
Holder doesn't care about the optics of this. He is a fanatic - he will get the white brown whale. It's immutably decreed, as Ahab said.
Progressivism means standing up for the little guy against the big guy.
So, we must stand with helpless Jews against the all-powerful Mark Sanchez(and Helen Thomas).
And we must stand with helpless skittle munching blacks against the all-powerful murderous thuggery of Zimmerman.
PS. Zimmerman is such a harmless looking guy(like Guiellermo) that even libs must be straining to pretend that he's the Terminator.
A smart move for his whole family would be to leave the country before charges are filed. Latin America seems the most obvious choice. Peru is not such a bad place. I mean at least it isn't Haiti
"Stand Your Ground must be repealed, says Andrew Sullivan, else we will return to the era in which black men can be lynched with impunity."
Maybe he figures stand-your-ground should be replaced with bend-over-the-ground.
Good for his kind.
"Orwellian or Kafkaesque?"
Stalinist is the word that came to my mind.
two Jamaican sprinters just got busted for doping.
"American champion Tyson Gay, who went out of his way to promote himself as an anti-drug athlete."
Tyson Gay? No!!!! LOL.
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If only he had been a Martinez or a Gonzalez.
Bill Richardson was always a Hispanic Hispanic. Same with Vicente Fox.
And you can be sure if George Zimmerman became famous by being a world chess champion instead, he'd be a Hispanic Hispanic as well.
If you're a 'white Hispanic' and your father is white, make sure to take your mother's last name.
That is not necessarily true. Governor Bill Richardson was never confused for being a white hispanic despite his English name. Of course he was a prominent democrat so the media helped to weave him into their accepted narrative.
I fucking knew it.
This is tyranny.
and i bet zimmerman still loves the united states. what a sucker. i'd be on the first plane out.
Everyone who runs government came from top college. No wonder colleges are so crazy.
Stand Your Ground must be repealed, says Andrew Sullivan, else we will return to the era in which black men can be lynched with impunity.
Steve has written a lot about how conflicts of interest seem to be ignored these days.
Isn't there a conflict of interest here? Sullivan got caught in the past posting solicitations on the internet for unprotected gay sex. He specifically mentioned that "black guys" were among his "turn-ons":
http://web.archive.org/web/20010606105110/milkyloads.tripod.com/bareback/index.html
Good point. They do their best at confusing me. Glad I gave y'all to straighten out the newspeak.
Now you know how Palestinians feel.
Django Unglued. Or derailed.
Zimmerman is mugged by unreality.
In a way, Giulianism has been bad for American sense of reality. Even libs in the 70s and 80s were admitting they had a real problem with black crime.
But with reduction of crime in big cities white elite libs dwell, libs can indulge in Ken-Burns-ist fantasy and pretend that black crime is no big deal.
Not the case in Zimmerman's neighborhood.
As libs control the media, they control the narrative. Since they feel so much safer, they're wondering why the likes of Zimmerman are so afraid of black crime.
Could it be lots of blacks have been dumped in communities where people like Zimmerman live?
I guess this has paid off for O'Mara and West.
With the likely increase in blacks being shot in self-defense situations, I suspect they will be doing a brisk business soon.
In terms of dealing with the massive amount of immigrants in the last 20 years, this case is better for the Republicans than passing that bill. Immigrants want nothing to do with blacks and they don't get nagged with any moral sanctimony about it. They're watching the Democrats as the party of black people, the only people everyone fears might start a riot. The Democrats are stuck with the blacks and immigrants from India or whereever, even the Hispanics, won't cast their lot with the blacks. Everyone can see where the racial demagoguing has gotten black people.
U guys are headed the South Africa route. Here criminals are presumed innocent until caught with the jewelry or blood-stained gun in their hands. And even then they get off coz there is nobody to test the DNA (whites have been kicked out of the police). When someone is convicted, they magically escape from prison.
White victims are usually investigated for stuff like not having a gun license, or being racist to their black staff.
Essentially the laws make it impossible to have black labour, which is why the unemployment rate is at 70%.
But this was the intended outcome of liberals anyway, I guess.
If he was found to not have committed a crime, how can he be convicted of a hate crime?
There's not much rattling around in your head, eh?
He was found not guilty of the crime he was charged with and the other one the judge agreed that the State could add at the last minute (murder 2 and manslaughter). He was not found not guilty of any and all crimes he might or might not have committed.
Of course, I do agree that he is also not guilty of any hate crimes either, but Holder wants a piece of action. (Tad would give him some if he were to just ask.)
"Zimmerman delenda est."
As libs control the media, they control the narrative. Since they feel so much safer, they're wondering why the likes of Zimmerman are so afraid of black crime.
Could it be lots of blacks have been dumped in communities where people like Zimmerman live?
I live and work in an area that is over 2/3 black and immigrant Hispanic Hispanic. I can't afford to be politically correct, nor is it possible to with reality in front of me eyes all day. Sullivan may have a thing for black men, but I would bet anything he doesn't live amongst them. And the same goes for all of the other heartbroken, outraged whites you've heard from in the past 24 hours.
Does anyone know if Trayvon's father owned the home in Zimmerman's neighborhood? Who all lived there?
As a married man, I feel for Obama. He just reached the pinnacle of occupational accomplishment (re-election to the Presidency) and his wife is still a brooding scowl monster. I would forgo 1 year's salary if I could get a quarter every time she began a sentence with "A real black man would..!" If this double jeopardy Federal trial were not forthcoming, I'd seriously expect divorce papers by the end of 2017. It was either this or several lonely weeks on the Lincoln coach.
Here's the relevant portion of the Federal Hate Crimes Law, 18 U.S.C. §249:
(a) In General
(1) ....Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerous weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person-
I don't possibly see how Zimmerman could be charged again under this, the only remotely applicable civil rights statute. The mens rea here, willfulness, is exactly the issue which the jury was deciding.
This is true no matter which meaning you impart to wilfulness. In the criminal law context, it can mean either bare intentionality or evil purpose. In fact, without intending to, attaching the jury charge of manslaughter may have actually insulated old Georgie from prosecution under the Hate Crimes act. That's because the jury, in addition to hearing the instructions regarding ill will and spite relating to the 2nd degree charge, also heard the manslaughter charge, which required them to consider whether "Zimmerman intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of TM."
They found him not guilty on both charges. Therefore, the Florida jury has already determined that he didn't act willfully.
You can't satisfy the elements of the federal statute if you don't have willfulness. The jury considered and rejected that Zimmerman acted willfully. Trying him under the Hate Crimes Act would very clearly be double jeopardy.
That doesn't take anything away, of course, from all those who have pointed out that the fact this is simply being considered is a sign of how far the rot has set.
Sadly what did I tell you.
Whiskey.
Wonder what fraction of burglary convictions in Sanford, and specifically Zimmerman's gated community, are against blacks. Wikipedia says Sanford is 30.5% black, and Seminole County is 11.1% black. Wouldn't be shocked if > 90% of Sanford burglaries are due to blacks. Having that stat pointed out in a civil rights trial might not be what the Obama Administration has in mind.
Obama/Holder are playing with fire with this one. George Zimmerman has been acquitted, and a very large portion of America, including all Republicans and most swing voters, are absolutely ready to accept that he's innocent. This isn't one of those minor scuffles the public will ignore. This will be front page news, and it will make Obama and Holder look like the racist, race-agitating, anti-American radicals they are. Just what the Republicans want in time for the 2014 elections: an Obama-voting martyr that makes Obama and the Dems look bad.
What it most closely reminds me of is the Racial Justice Act in North Carolina, which freed several black murderers from the death penalty based on "disparate impact" caused by supposedly racist jurors. It may have been a major reason why Republicans retook the governorship for the first time in 20 years and saw their majority in the NC House increase from 68 of 120) to 77.
"“There is a pattern of George Zimmerman making dozens of calls to 911 over several years, frequently about young men of color,” Benjamin T. Jealous, the president of the N.A.A.C.P., said in an interview on Sunday. . ... "
Wrong. Only in the last couple of years of Zimmerman's calls were they largely about black males: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/23/did-trayvon-shooter-abuse-911.html
In addition to this, the claim Zimmerman called to report a 7-9 year old black kid for "being suspicious" was actually because HE WAS CONCERNED FOR HIS SAFETY: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3037152/
http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4f6ce3a469bedd387e000000-590/george-zimmerman-police-report.jpg
If you're a 'white Hispanic' and your father is white, make sure to take your mother's last name.
If Zimmerman's father had been pure Castilian Spanish and surnamed "Torres" or something, he still would be every bit as white, but he would have been full Hispanic instead of "white Hispanic," which just goes to show how absolutely vacuous is the term "Hispanic." It means absolutely nothing. You could be a blonde-haired white guy from Northern Spian, with European roots dating back to the Ice Age, or could be a 100% corn-chewing Amerindian from Oaxaca who doesn't even speak Spanish.
"and i bet zimmerman still loves the united states. what a sucker. i'd be on the first plane out.
Say what? A liberal just got mugged by reality. We should be helping him change his party affiliation, not hustling him out the door.
It should be noted one of the jurors was initially sympathetic to Trayvon: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-07-12/news/os-george-zimmerman-trial-jury-20130620_1_george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-de-la-rionda
"A young white woman and mother who used to work in financial services. She used this case as an example to her two adolescent children, warning them to not go out at night."
"Sadly what did I tell you.
Whiskey."
First you told us that the jury of 6 women would convict Zimmerman. They found him not guilty. Then you told us that Holder will charge Zimmerman in a Federal suit and that Zimmerman "has no chance there", which I guess means conviction. Neither of those two things has happened yet. No federal charges have been filed, though they might be in the future. I would guess that the probability of conviction on hate crime charges is low. Where's the evidence of "hate speech"?
If this double jeopardy Federal trial were not forthcoming, I'd seriously expect divorce papers by the end of 2017.
You are joking, right? Michelle is just hanging on for all of the ex-post facto bribes (aka, "speaking fees" and "corporate directorships") to be coming Obama's way the minute he leaves office.
They'll have a marriage in the same way the Clintons do - a marriage purely of economic convenience, and if it ends, it will be Barack Hussein filing the divorce papers - or perhaps just announcing "I divorce thee" three times.
Look, this isn't "double jeopardy"!
He was tried in front of (1) a girl judge, by (2) a girl prosecutor and judged by (3) a girl jury.
Bottom line, he was never in "jeopardy" to begin with.
Think of a hate crime trial as a "do-over" or the girls.
You know what I mean. You remember in grade school dodge ball how the girls always got to stand closer to the other team than the boys did when they threw the balls at them?
Why? Because they throw ball like girls--weak and wimpy.
They throw trials like girls, too.
So the Big Boys in the Justice Department are coming in to do it right.
Blacks on twitter threaten random violence
http://occamsrazormag.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/blacks-on-twitter-threaten-random-violence/
But with reduction of crime in big cities white elite libs dwell, libs can indulge in Ken-Burns-ist fantasy and pretend that black crime is no big deal.
In our national discussion on race and guns, can someone please, please tell me why so many so-called "men" feel so insecure and threatened by young urban black males that they risk jail-time and self-inflicted gunshot wounds in order to carry firearms? What makes them even more ridiculous is their obvious privilege. I am referring, of course, to millionaire black musicians, celebrities, and 230 lb., 6' 5", tower-of-muscle athletes. Can someone please explain to me the cultural toxins which account for their bias and paranoia in this I Sing of Thee, America the F*ck3d? I expectantly wait to think, laugh, and stand up in my seat and cheer when the Michael Moore treatment of this very important topic comes out.
As Mark Steyn says, the process is the punishment.
At this point, he doesn't have to ever be found guilty of any criminal or civil charge. The feds have zeroed in on him as a target to support the Narrative, and they have in essence a bottomless well of resources.
Unless he is a multimillionaire, defending himself alone will lead to completely plowing through everything he and his family own, and bankruptcy.
And even if he could get financial support, he will be in and out of court rooms for years. Look at the pics of him from April and compare to current pics; the stress toll on him is obvious by how much he ballooned in that short time. Now multiply that over years, and see how much of a toll its going to have on him.
The president has basically signed on without the slightest reflection to causing immense suffering and ruining this man and his family's life because of whatever political benefits he feels he can milk from it.
I didn't vote for the SOB. I wonder if any lessons are sinking in Zimmerman's (and Paula Deen's) heads about their 2012 votes.
I wonder if they plan on querying his PRISM profile.
Zimmerman did not hate Africans till now, but he surely does now.
Obama Africanus got the gender wrong. It should be "Zimmerman delendus est." Still, funny.
A bit of a break from the all-Trayvon news cycle-
Fresh off their same-sex marriage victories in the courts, gay rights activists prepare to confront the next most evil bulwarks of heteronormative supremacy- community blood banks:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/blood-drive-protests-fda-ban-gay-donors/story?id=19648322
My submission for the iSteviest headline- "Child leukemia patients must accept a bit more risk in their blood transfusions if it makes Marshall feel less like a dirty, dirty slut"
Semi-related: "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" means millions more Zimmermans.
I think zimmie needs to take the fight to the SOBs, not hide. Go on Fox, Rush, and the more radical outlets, blast them.
Go on a media blitz, and don't be polite or politically incorrect.
Do not apologize. This is a teachable moment for millions of white americans.
The arguments to use are all over the rightwing internet. Sell a book, make a million. And then he will make millions of converts. Any further jury will be bound to have a least a majority of whites or hispanics on it, be it criminal or civil.
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/09/27/us/trial-opens-for-rowan-in-shooting-of-trespasser.html
Carl Rowan fired without even being physically attacked.
Maybe the lack of Hispanic support for Zimmerman shows the lack of unity among various Hispanics.
Though Zimmerman looks Mexicanish, he's actual of Peruvian descent, and most Hispanics in America are not from Peru. So, most Mexican-Americans didn't care. Also, Florida is not a Mexican heavy state.
If this had taken place in Texas and if Zimmerman were a Mexican-American, the dynamics might have been very different.
I guess not much Hispanic unity among the various ethnicities.
> To prove such violations requires a different standard of evidence and law than what was used in the state case against Zimmerman. So a federal prosecution would not be double jeopardy, they said.
Uh huh.
And charging Zimmerman again with child abuse wouldn't be triple jeopardy. Etc.
Why not just decree that the justice system went awry, and re-indict him on Murder 2? This time, the NAACP, NAABP, and SPLC can jointly select the jury.
Since Zimmerman's guilty, I don't see why that would be a problem.
As of now George Zimmerman no longer exists--say hello to 'Miguel Sanchez'
"A smart move for his whole family would be to leave the country before charges are filed."
Opposite. The more he gets his obviously not-white face on TV the more the anti-white steam vents from the case.
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"U guys are headed the South Africa route."
That's the endgame they want for us all.
Zimmerman & Snowden should team up in a touring sketch comedy act called The White Banditos. It'll have crossover appeal to both young and old demographics.
Trying him under the Hate Crimes Act would very clearly be double jeopardy.
I think you have forgotten this:
Nothing in double jeopardy law prohibits simultaneous prosecution for the same offense in the courts of the federal government, criminal courts of another state, or civil courts of the same state. ... The idea that double jeopardy protection does not apply to the laws of different jurisdictions is called the Dual Sovereignty Doctrine.
from here: Double Jeopardy and Jurisdiction
See also the Dual Sovereignty Doctrine under US law in Double Jeopardy.
With all due respect, I think you are talking out your ass.
I'm just amazed at all the deeply stupid reactions to this verdict. Stand Your Ground must be repealed, says Andrew Sullivan, else we will return to the era in which black men can be lynched with impunity. Of course, Stand Your Ground wasn't even invoked by the defense, nor can I see what relevance it has in a situation in which a man is getting his head pounded into a sidewalk, but why let facts get into the way of emoting?
Andrew Sullivan isn't stupid - he's merely dishonest and malevolent.
What's the over-under: how long before Zimmerman is dead, maimed, or in jail?
>If he was found to not have committed a crime, how can he be convicted of a hate crime?<
He was cleared of manslaughter and murder two. Maybe they will go for murder one. Or stalking.
... or jaywalking with malice aforethought ... or imagining the king's death.
It really is hard to see what the crime was. The only line we're being given at present is "we are investigating to see if Zimmerman violated Martin's civil rights." Maybe if you shoot a person in a "protected class," whatever the circumstances, you are "guilty" of the "crime" of "civil rights violation." If so, this would simply amount to blacks' being inviolable royalty.
>Sadly what did I tell you<
Whiskey, you told us white women hate "betas." Either a. Eric Holder is a white woman or b. not every problem is a nail.
As for predictions, I not only predicted this would happen (as did 90% of people watching), I predicted when. "The announcement will be made not later than Sunday," said I. So there.
I trump you in the Nostradumbass sweepstakes.
It is I who am the top Nostradumbass!
According to liberals, Zimmerman should have been locked up for life, but Roman Polanski should remain free and never face justice.
I guess a creative Jew can do whatever he likes, but a 'white hispanic' cannot even defend his own life.
[QUOTE]n terms of dealing with the massive amount of immigrants in the last 20 years, this case is better for the Republicans than passing that bill. Immigrants want nothing to do with blacks and they don't get nagged with any moral sanctimony about it. They're watching the Democrats as the party of black people, the only people everyone fears might start a riot. The Democrats are stuck with the blacks and immigrants from India or whereever, even the Hispanics, won't cast their lot with the blacks. Everyone can see where the racial demagoguing has gotten black people.[/QUOTE]
If Hispanics won't cast their lot with the Blacks, why do the number of Hispanics who are pro-Trayvon Martin vastly outnumber Hispanics who are pro-George Zimmerman.
I saw on the news, lots of Hispanic Squat Monsters in Los Angeles came out to protest the Not Guilty verdict.
Face the facts. The vast majority of George Zimmerman supporters are Non Hispanic Whites.
I doubt very much George Zimmerman has a lot of fans in Spanish Harlem for example, which is heavily Puerto Rican and Dominican.
OT: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/robots-revolutionize-farming-ease-labor-woes-142756655.html
More farm robots - the beginning of the end for that line of cover for immigration? Even, a reduction in actual demand?
The silver lining is a lot of whites have now woken up to the tyranny of anti-white p.c. and the present administration. The Democrats will have to double down on their efforts to elect a New People because enough whites now want to vote them out of office.
"Trying him under the Hate Crimes Act would very clearly be double jeopardy."
Federal Hate Crime laws were written specifically to make the Constitutional prohibition on double jeopardy a dead letter if the federal government wants to prosecute someone for political reasons (read: if you're the wrong kind of white person, or in Z's case, a pseudo-white for purposes of sustaining The Narrative). It's not constitutional according to the letter of the law; it's constitutional according to our "living constitution" as defined by Rabbinical hair-splitters who specialize in inverting and perverting the spirit of the law. So citing the law is beside the point; the law is whatever the lawyers and judges say it is. And they say it ain't double jeopardy. Or they'll try to anyway.
Lib psychology.
Maybe libs wanted Zimmerman to be convicted because they want MORE BLACKS to be locked up.
White libs are afraid of black thugs and want them behind bars.
But to justify this, there has to the sense that whites are locked up when they hurt or kill blacks too.
If there's the perception that 'racist' whites are not locked up, then blacks will be up in arms, and it will be more difficult for white libs to support the policy of locking up dangerous blacks.
So, to justify the mass incarceration of bad blacks, there has to be perception that bad whites are locked up too and that the system is fair.
Howard Beach.
A basic concept on Criminal Law is that the state and the US government are separate sovereigns and that aquital in state court does not preclude prosecution by the other sovereign.
"To prove such violations requires a different standard of evidence and law than what was used in the state case against Zimmerman. So a federal prosecution would not be double jeopardy, they said."
No, it would be double jeopardy. "They" just say it wouldn't be. They can call it anything. They can call it blue cheese, if they want - it's still double jeopardy.
So what if it really is double jeopardy. If the Obama administration decides to charge him, who is going to stop them? What non-biased legal authority will look Holder in the eye and say, "You can't do that?"
"Anonymous said...
Isn't there a conflict of interest here? Sullivan got caught in the past posting solicitations on the internet for unprotected gay sex. He specifically mentioned that "black guys" were among his "turn-ons":"
And given that Sullivan has HIV, he may well have killed more black dudes than Zimmerman has. That Sullivan is treated as even a semi-respected pundit, rather than what he is - a vile, mentally unbalanced degenerate - is an indictment of our times.
http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/happy-bastille-day-pat-buchanan-is-french/
"He specifically mentioned that "black guys" were among his "turn-ons":"
Poopoo Lepew.
"Trying him under the Hate Crimes Act would very clearly be double jeopardy."
DJ means you can't charge and try him for the same offense.
Change the offense, and it begins all over again.
Here's a case similar to Zimmerman/Martin involving Al Sharpton where he had a different opinion of shooting unarmed teenagers. Some of you may remember the case:
John White, convicted of killing Daniel Cicciaro, pardoned by Gov. David Paterson
http://tinyurl.com/lc8rban
And given that Sullivan has HIV, he may well have killed more black dudes than Zimmerman has. "
Haha! Nice. Boy do I feel bad for Zimmerman
Paul Deen and Zimmerman provide a very disturbing insight in the hiveminds of the bien pensants.
It doesnt matter if you are lifelong Democrat who voted for Obama.It is not enough. Dont you dare improvise on the script provided
Thought experiment-apologies if it was conducted before: What if Zimmerman looked like one of those Hispanic Hispanic as per Steves famous gallery in December. And he voted Republican? This would of course compel the much relieved media to drop the dead weight suffix of white Hispanic.
Would he be as hated? Perhaps much of the rage against Zimmerman is that he is viewed as a traitor to the cause rather than a "white" guy tormenting a helpless black ala 1950s Alabama
@Totem Fred
If Zimmerman voted for Obama in 2012 (post "if I had a son..."), he deserves to be convicted of stupidity.
If Zimmerman voted for Obma he is living in the world in which he chose to live, with the consequences to him personally of which he approved in advance. His silences at the outrages perpetrated upon him show his acquiescence before Social Justice, and, probably, his approval.
http://www.amren.com/news/2013/07/zimmerman-not-guilty/#.UeMEhrWIBcU.facebook
Should Obama & Holder charge George Zimmerman, as in all anti-White racist assaults they will not charge him to poison and embitter the rest of just one guy's - George Zimmerman's - life. Obama & Holder will charge one man to serve their larger ambition: pour encourager les autres. Haven't we yet learned that liberals & leftists are addicted to Sending A Message?
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/06/racial_empathy_gap_people_don_t_perceive_pain_in_other_races.html?fb_ref=sm_fb_share_chunky
White people don't feel black people's pain cuz they're too busy feeling their own pain caused by blacks.
theeuromillionsnet said GZ instigated it in an act of bravado. I hope there is some sort of punishment, and this is coming from a conservative, not some white guilt liberal.
Says the 'conservative' with some sort of Niki Minaj obsession.
As a white woman, I think the all female jury helped Zimmerman. The men I know made macho, swinging ballz comments about how Zimmerman should've been able to beat up and/or subdue Martin without recourse to a gun. That's a red rag to a bull for a woman, because it acts like there's something inherently suspicious about being physically unable to defend oneself.
If they try him again - and they probably will, because they're awful, awful people - I would be vvvverrrrrryyyyyy interested to see the demographics of the new jury.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00657YUNK/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=barbarismnet-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399373&creativeASIN=B00657YUNK%22
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/20/what-occupy-harvard-should-tell-liberal-elite-parents-on-thanksgiving.html
Looking at the hysterical reactions on my Facebook news feed, I'm wondering how America has survived this long with such a high proportion of self-hating idiots.
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130625/lakeview/mob-beats-man-unconscious-outside-belmont-cta-station
Blacks are naturally stronger and kick white ass. Scared white bystanders do nothing but watch and pee in their pants.
Good thing the victim didn't have a gun. He might have shot the black attackers like Zimmerman did. That would have been sooooooooooo racist.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/12/remmele-mazyck_n_3588802.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeet.
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130625/lakeview/mob-beats-man-unconscious-outside-belmont-cta-station
Hilarious comment:
"Phew! So glad there isn't concealed carry in Chicago. If there were, we would have to look at pictures of these guys as 10 year olds and watch the victims go on trial for defending themselves. I guess everything worked out as Barack intended."
http://spectator.org/archives/2013/07/15/a-vile-show-trial-ends
"A basic concept on Criminal Law is that the state and the US government are separate sovereigns..."
Somebody please put that on a sign and go march around Capitol Hill. The state and the US government are separate sovereigns.
So what if it really is double jeopardy. If the Obama administration decides to charge him, who is going to stop them? What non-biased legal authority will look Holder in the eye and say, "You can't do that?"
Are you serious? No one is intimidating by Holder in person. Holder routinely wets his pants when and whines about race when he faces a congressional hearing
Sailer has defended the potential legitimacy of hate crime laws from time to time, and I think one of the best arguments against him was that the most analogous legal concept was in free speech. Some restrictions on speech beyond the usual exceptions (defamation, etc.) are indeed defensible, but it's just a kind of power you don't want in the hands in hands of your opponent. And DOJ is always the one wielding that power. Still favor 'hate crimes' now, Steve?
I always feel like I'm following a trend thats out there. I'm not a leader. Twenty years ago I bought a "Victorian" style new construction house thinking it was my own taste. Within the next 5 years, the only houses being built were "Victorian" style so obviously I was just influenced by a trend.
So, if I see it, everyone sees it. The Trayvon supporters are working hard to stay ignorant; they must have a motive.
If there was a seriousness in our elites about the state of black America - which is terrible, black areas are s**tholes - the strategy would be to shame black middle and upper class by rubbing their noses in the atrocious behavior of the black underclass. The last thing a serious person would do would be to pander to black upper and middle class and even to give them affirmative action and minority set asides, etc. which only give them a motivation to maintain a black underclass as they benefit so much.
Yeah, but that's merely the little old NYPD. The Zimmerman Menace is the main threat to civil rights.
Oof. Yep, time to gut-punch the administration for a few months or years. What a pack of ninnies.
I ask the gallery: would George Bush the Second have handled the Zimmerman verdict differently? If so, how?
Obama I just can't believe, and lots of whites voted for him but Romeny should not have made the 47 percent statement.
Goodness, this really is Bonfire of the Vanities. Like Sherman McCoy, Zimmerman now gets to be a "professional defendant" for the rest of his life.
I hope Zimmerman at least wins his defamation suit against NBC (I assume it was put on hold to await the outcome of the trial, since I haven't heard anything about it since December). Maybe if the other media outlets get to watch NBC fork over a couple million dollars for having shamelessly railroaded Zimmerman, they'll show a little more restraint next time around.
Yeah, I know, fat chance. But I can dream...
John White, convicted of killing Daniel Cicciaro, pardoned by Gov. David Paterson
Re this tiny url link, a key passage is:
Prosecutors said that instead of calling the cops, White went out to confront the teens and shot Cicciaro in the face from three inches away.
Ring a bell re Zimmerman?
Here's what Sharpton had to say about Paterson's pardon:
"We salute Gov. Paterson's decision and hope that all families involved will move towards healing," the Rev. Al Sharpton said.
That's the kind of guy Al is -- conciliatory, in favor of 'moving towards healing'. Yeah.
Paterson, John White, and of course Sharpton are all black. The kid John White shot is called white in the article.
rotfl
protest will be commercialized
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151746106330428&set=a.10151634773955428.1073741827.27088225427&type=1&theater
Peru is not such a bad place. I mean at least it isn't Haiti
At least it isn't prison.
My prediction is that the Feds will make a show of "investigating" Zimmerman to appease the immediate anger of Obama's base, but that once things have had a chance to cool down, they will announce that they don't have enough evidence and end the investigation. Obama has ridden this train about as far as he wanted to (all the way to a 2nd term) and he is getting off before the next stop.
They wouldn't mind persecuting George some more (the trial itself is a major punishment, even without a conviction) but they must realize that their odds of conviction aren't going to be any better the 2nd time around (there is even less evidence that George is a racis' than there was that he was not acting in self-defense) and a 2nd acquittal would be a further humiliation.
http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/14/sorry-the-zimmerman-case-still-has-nothi
Yes, humans "notice things." It's called "pattern recognition," and humans have evolved to do it.
Generally those human groups that are better at sorting through all the noise to identify underlying patterns, are more successful.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/09/science/what-is-nostalgia-good-for-quite-a-bit-research-shows.html?ref=science
I guess they could charge him but they run the risk of getting the whole law tossed out of court. They would only be charging him on his supposed views not on the killing. That is to say they want to charge him for following Martin because he was Black.
Zimmerman is a private citizen he can hold any biases he likes. He is well within his rights to follow Martin. A federal judge or jury would simply laugh at this case. I suspect the real risk of jeopardizing hate crime laws will keep Holder in check but who knows with these guys.
So, they didn't even try Dreyfus twice - I have that right?
Okay, so Wiki says they did. But hey, he was pardoned and released after the second one, so there's that.
Orwellian or Kafkaesque?
It never ends.
Zimmerman went to sleep one day and woke up to find out he's a giant white cockroach.
Haha.
I'm sure someone (Steve, probably) has mentioned this already, but I can't recall: this case definitely illustrates a good reason for Hispanics to avoid self-identifying as "white."
A smart move for his whole family would be to leave the country before charges are filed.
Or he could just apply for welfare (gov't-induced unemployableness), fire his legal team, get a public defender, and copy-paste his defense in from his criminal trial. FFS, these people got nothing. Nothing. To quote Tommy Lee Jones from Natural Born Killers, "you got a-SHEIT-A!!"
Or he could split the difference: hire a cheap lawyer (?) and pocket half his legal defense fund, if that looks like a viable gig.
He definitely needs to take a proactive approach to his new life, from here on out: book deals, lecture circuit, broadcast personality, etc.
He'll have to ditch that Democrat party affiliation nonsense, of course. There are several niches open to him: Tacticool Badass would be my choice - gun-nuts are loyal customers - but plain ol' conservative Republican would do.
I fucking knew it.
Hey, I give you, and everyone else who kept saying it, your due. I was wrong, you guys were right. Dumbass that I am, I figured (a bare modicum of) dignity and sanity would prevail.
Does anyone know if Trayvon's father owned the home in Zimmerman's neighborhood? Who all lived there?
Troof has ruled that irrelevant. Oh, what the hell: no, he didn't own the home. We don't even know if he was paying rent; it was Martin, Sr.'s girlfriend's house.
It was either this or several lonely weeks on the Lincoln coach.
Should that be "couch," or is there a cool antebellum steampunk conveyance somewhere on the WH grounds?
Sadly what did I tell you.
Whiskey.
I'm pretty sure you told us Zimmerman was "toast" because he had an all-female judge and jury, betas, white (but not Jewish) wymminz, hate Hate HATE, etc.
I think we are witnessing the birth of a new meme due to these protests/near riots: "got skittles". For some reason, the idiotic protesters think this is the most relevant thing about this case after the "profiling".
As far as FED prosecution goes, there's little chance of it going anywhere, too many hurdles to overcome. It's too bad for the Zimmerman haters that we don't have a black president and black head of the DOJ.
Obama/Holder are playing with fire with this one. George Zimmerman has been acquitted, and a very large portion of America, including all Republicans and most swing voters, are absolutely ready to accept that he's innocent. This isn't one of those minor scuffles the public will ignore. This will be front page news, and it will make Obama and Holder look like the racist, race-agitating, anti-American radicals they are. Just what the Republicans want in time for the 2014 elections: an Obama-voting martyr that makes Obama and the Dems look bad.
Yeah, I don't know WTF they're thinking. First, doing nothing lets this case fade away, which has got to be a good thing for them, at this point...yes? Second, it lets them look magnanimous and post-racial with zero effort.
Unless he is a multimillionaire, defending himself alone will lead to completely plowing through everything he and his family own, and bankruptcy.
Hence, my strategy above. Public defender, baby. Cut-and-paste legal defense. Hell, if I were in Zim's shoes I'd be plotting my "okay, now you STFU up and let me do the talking" defense with my hack, state-provided, Men's-Wearhouse-besuited lawyer right now.
And even if he could get financial support, he will be in and out of court rooms for years. Look at the pics of him from April and compare to current pics; the stress toll on him is obvious by how much he ballooned in that short time. Now multiply that over years, and see how much of a toll its going to have on him.
Stress is overrated. You get used to it. At this point in Zim's life, I think it's time for a lil' "ju wanna play rough! Okay! We can play rough! But jour playing with da bess, baby! Take dat, ju whores!"
I think zimmie needs to take the fight to the SOBs, not hide. Go on Fox, Rush, and the more radical outlets, blast them.
Go on a media blitz, and don't be polite or politically incorrect.
Do not apologize. This is a teachable moment for millions of white americans.
The arguments to use are all over the rightwing internet. Sell a book, make a million. And then he will make millions of converts. Any further jury will be bound to have a least a majority of whites or hispanics on it, be it criminal or civil.
^^^This man understands where Svigor's coming from. Time to make lemonade. It's the American Way.
The idea that double jeopardy protection does not apply to the laws of different jurisdictions is called the Dual Sovereignty Doctrine.
Which is a pile of shit. States don't have the Sovereignty to create or enforce immigration law, but the feds get to reach in whenever they want in criminal matters? That's double jeopardy.
"Anonymous said...
""A basic concept on Criminal Law is that the state and the US government are separate sovereigns...""
Somebody please put that on a sign and go march around Capitol Hill. The state and the US government are separate sovereigns."
Yes, good point. The states are "separate sovereigns" when the feds want to persecute somebody, but not when the state wishes to be free of the intrusive power of the central government.
How privileged whites fight white privilege: by turning a hispanic into a hiscapegoat.
Who is the 'xenophobe' now?
No, it would be double jeopardy. "They" just say it wouldn't be. They can call it anything. They can call it blue cheese, if they want - it's still double jeopardy.
Agree!
I'd be surprised if the hate crime prosecution goes much further. My track record for these kind of predictions hasn't been very good but here goes.
The Martin-Zimmerman incident is sharply divisive along racial lines. All blacks it seems are convinced that Zimmerman did something wrong. Many advocate that some black street thug murder sweet pudgy George. So if you want to appeal politically to blacks you would prosecute Zimmerman for anything you could dream up.
But all blacks are already going to vote for Obama backed candidates in the upcoming elections. You might think that because blacks like everyone else have been losing their enthusiasm for Obama that he might pursue Zimmerman so as to 'prop up his base'. There could be some of that but blacks are already energized along racial lines. Obama has already benefited from this case simply because it has driven Benghazi, Fort Hood, and the IRS scandals off the air. He could have Eric Holder flay Zimmerman alive on the White House Lawn and he would not get anymore black votes - there aren't anymore to be gotten.
This case seems to be splitting off many white liberals from the blacks among the Obama supporters. The case for self defense is simple and obvious. You have to actually be black as to be able to overlook that. Many white liberals can't manage to hold their nose and condemn Zimmerman for the sake of the Democrat Party.
It is probably a mistake for Obama to ally the Zimmerman case with the gun control issue. The whole Second Amendment issue is now and has always been based on fear of violent Negroes. George Mason and the Virginia planters were strongly in favor of an armed militia because they feared a slave insurrection. This fear still resonated with the Tea Party and a host of other groups during the recent gun control debate. The home defense rational means fear of black home invaders.
George Zimmerman is just the sort of person many whites would like patrolling their neighborhood. And they would want him armed. They will not say this in public but when they say they support the Second Amendment the subtext is fear of 'teens' or 'youths' by which they mean large black males with drug and gang connections like Trayvon Martin.
If Obama does, despite my predictions, continue to pursue George Zimmerman there will be another run on gun stores. White Americans will stock up on every possible gun once again.
Buying a gun is like buying gold - its a demonstration of little faith in government. If you think the government is undisciplined you buy gold. If you think it isn't concerned with your safety you buy a gun.
If Obama were to firmly support the jury's decision and stamp down on street protests, if he were to have Eric Holder prosecute all those who are now making inflammatory statements of revenge, then white America would not feel the need to be armed so much.
It is often said that Obama hasn't had many accomplishments. But you have to admit - he certainly got America armed. He may not have been very successful with any of his formal jobs initiatives but he has brought full employment to gun shops and gun smiths.
Albertosaurus
"Yes, humans "notice things." It's called "pattern recognition," and humans have evolved to do it."
Libs are into pattern projection.
Guys, it has been so much fun, I say we do it again!
There isn't going to be a civil rights trial. Too much dirty linen that would be disclosed: evidence destroyed or not produced by the prosecution, etc.
My guess is that Holder/Obama will cut a deal with Zimmerman: if the Z-man agrees not to sue Sanford for withholding evidence, the Feds will agree not to sue him for civil rights violations. The Talented Tenth Negro Elite will get bored waiting for the Feds to finish their what-will-be-long-drawn-out civil rights "investigation" and will move on to some other "crisis".
Let's face it. With the collapse of law and order in Detroit, Flint and other Negro homelands, "vigilantism" (aka justifiable homicide) is the only way the decent Negro masses are able to stay in their homes. The Negro Elite knows this as well as anyone else. The Negro Elite milked Trayvon for about as much political capital as they can get. Its time to move on now.
No Federal civil rights trial either criminal or civil.
Zimmerman needs to get out in the sun, go on TV as much as possible and then sue the ass off NBC as a victimized hispanic getting rail-roaded by corporate "white" media guys.
The more hispanic he looks the more white liberals will lose steam, the more hispanics will switch sides, the more black people will get confused, the more the media will look like the liars they are.
What sensible White people should do is make sure silly White people see the pictures of Trayvon at the store on the night of the killing not the picture of him as a 12 year old.
Obviously the idea of a man Zimmerman's size claiming self-defense against a 12 year old is ludicrous but it was media manipulation that put that idea in the silly White people's heads.
Has anyone outside the Steve-o-Sphere noticed that, in typical fashion, the grounds for outrage keep subtly shifting?
Month 1- "A crazed white vigilante murdered an innocent, angelic boy!". Then it turned out that Martin wasn't so innocent or angelic, and was for all practical purposes a man, not a boy. Zimmerman was also revealed to be not so crazed and not so white. So that angle was dropped.
Later- "It's those awful 'Stand your Ground' laws, that's what's wrong!". But the defense didn't even need to mention that law at trial, because was totally irrelevant to the case. That line was abandoned pretty swiftly by the smart media players, though some stragglers still haven't wrapped their heads around it yet.
During the trial (after it became clear that there was no way to prove murder)- "Zimmerman recklessly provoked a confrontation, ignoring police instructions!". But police testified that he cooperated fully and followed all their instructions, and the jury subsequently agreed.
After the acquittal- "Anyone who is going to carry a deadly weapon should be more careful, and more knowledgeable!" i.e., GZ was a little bit of a bumbling incompetent, which is more-or-less true.
This kind of "outrage distillation" is common when the press push a bull***t narrative and then discover that they were mostly wrong. The can't continue lying, but they can focus the same amount of anger and opprobrium onto smaller and smaller sins.
"Guys, it has been so much fun, I say we do it again!"
There's no "again" because Zimmerman didn't do anything wrong.
However the trial is likely to have increased full-on 100% mistrust of media reporting on any case involving race in any way which will apply even in cases where someone did do something wrong.
"Has anyone outside the Steve-o-Sphere noticed that, in typical fashion, the grounds for outrage keep subtly shifting?
Month 1- "A crazed white vigilante murdered an innocent, angelic boy!"."
Yes but bear in mind that most people don't pay full attention to the news and pay most at the beginning of a story so that first version is the one that has stuck most in the minds of people like that who only read mainstream or overtly liberal media.
I have relatives who only vaguely followed the story and they all thought Martin was like the 12 year old kid in the photo the media used everywhere - even in Europe btw. They all use the 12 year old photo.
First impressions count.
Obama has ridden this train about as far as he wanted to (all the way to a 2nd term) and he is getting off before the next stop.
That's my guess too. The only reason for pursuing it further would be to punish Zimmerman for killing a black guy, but as others have pointed out, these people don't care about blacks getting killed every night in Chicago. This was about political advantage, and there's just no more political hay to be made here anymore. Too many people have seen pictures of Zimmerman and realized he's not the white supremacist gun-nut that was implied, and those numbers (and the number of people seeing recent pictures of Martin) would only grow in a second trial.
So my guess is that they'll make some loud noises about investigating it thoroughly, suggest that that will take a while, and assume that everyone will have forgotten about it a month from now.
It might be that this is just a tactic by the administration to let the situation cool down slowly. Kind of like the theory that whites are protesting so that blacks won't riot.
If the administration makes the right noises, they can aim for a soft landing to the crisis, rather than a crash and burn.
"This was about political advantage, and there's just no more political hay to be made here anymore."
That may be the calculation on their part but there may be too much momentum for it to stop. I'm 50/50 on it.
For Zimmerman though, going on the offensive is is best hope for his future.
Obviously the idea of a man Zimmerman's size claiming self-defense against a 12 year old is ludicrous but it was media manipulation that put that idea in the silly White people's heads.
We here at iSteve like writing, using words. The MSM understand that above all what is seen is what counts.
It will be much harder for Congress to impeach, or Obama to fire, Holder, if Holder is doing the work of His People in seeking Justice for Little Trayvon.
"The MSM understand that above all what is seen is what counts."
Yes.
One of the problems with media-dominated democracy is a lot of people on the right read more than they watch TV so they don't see where the media are leading the electorate until it's too late.
"The MSM understand that above all what is seen is what counts."
Quite.
http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2013/05/22/TM711_4_20130522123142_640_480.PNG
It makes such a nice distraction for Holder and Obama, from all there own criminal activity.
Holder should resign because he lied to congress?
LOOK A SQUIRREL !
Amazingly arrogant speculations on this blog. You all seem to know exactly what happened that day between Zimmerman and Martin. Black people knew that O.J was innocent because he was black, and Sailer's fans know that Zimmerman was innocent because he is white (white enough, anyway). What a load of nonsense. With Steve Sailer's patented ethno-goggles you can see farther and clearer than silly liberals and other homosexualists! Available now!
No, this is not Bonfire Of The Vanities. This is not the Trial Of The Century. Race is not the Rosetta Stone to every single news story that comes along. The guy was found not guilty because the jury had reasonable doubt, no more no less. You Americans are to the point of neurosis by race. It is tiresome.
My guess is that Holder/Obama will cut a deal with Zimmerman: if the Z-man agrees not to sue Sanford for withholding evidence, the Feds will agree not to sue him for civil rights violations. The Talented Tenth Negro Elite will get bored waiting for the Feds to finish their what-will-be-long-drawn-out civil rights "investigation" and will move on to some other "crisis".
The Sanford Police did not withhold evidence and neither did the local state's attorney's office. This misfeasance was the work of the special prosecutor's office.
Federal civil rights charges are humbug. Martin was not killed undertaking any sort of civil activity and Zimmerman is not a public official. It has been suggested that they would collar him with federal 'hate crimes' law, but they would have to come up with evidence that the diffident Mr. Zimmerman was peculiarly hostile to anyone. The only thing the feds could do with an honest federal district judge looking over their shoulder is to attempt to extort some sort of plea through driving him further into insolvency and/or to get his lawyers to bail for economic reasons. (That prosecutors can do this to people is another scandal).
This case seems to be splitting off many white liberals from the blacks among the Obama supporters.
Conscientious white liberals, yes. It is not hard to find gauchiste tools doubling down in various ways, or offering excuses. A great deal of portside politics consists of striking attitudes. That commonly trumps any serious interest in public policy.
f there was a seriousness in our elites about the state of black America - which is terrible, black areas are s**tholes - the strategy would be to shame black middle and upper class by rubbing their noses in the atrocious behavior of the black underclass.
No, there would be a country-wide campaign to erect metropolitan police departments, staff them well, and hire disciples of William Bratton to run them. With what New York City has accomplished since 1993, it is a reasonable goal to work toward a state of affairs where Detroit has a homicide rate of 14 per 100,000, not 41 per 100,000. That this is not done is a function of institutional defects (structural and cultural), vested interests, and penny-wise foolishness on the part of suburban voters.
Have others noticed how many numbskull reporters think a criminal prosecution for a civil rights violation is a "civil lawsuit"? They also think, because it is a "civil lawsuit," George Zimmerman can be forced to testify against himself. Just google "zimmerman" and "civil lawsuit."
My guess is George will stand his ground when/if the feds came after him. I think this for a few reasons.
First, while some may view George as a bumbling do gooder, I view him a little different. At the end of the day, HIS neighborhood was under siege by Obama's children - and, as far as I can tell, he was the only one in the development who didn't live his life in fear of assholes and f*ing punks. Say what you like, but I bet he is pretty stubborn.
Second - the media grabbed onto the profoundly suspect racial category "White Hispanic" as the original narrative began to unravel -which obscures the fact that, if anything, he is Jewish Hispanic (although a practicing Catholic). One of the most endearing or annoying cultural traits (depending on your perspective) of the Jews I have known (and I grew up in a heavily Jewish suburb in the North East) is that they are generally pretty bright, verbally aggressive, and stubborn as all get out - much like his brother Rob in fact who would routinely verbally ground and pound Piers Morgan on CCN.
(If you have never seen him - Rob is very polished, deals well with media, and appears to have a very high level of verbal ability.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ePcLS5f7jw
Finally, George has an awesome legal team that, given enough financial resources, could go toe to toe with the Feds in court and in the press. Keep in mind the Feds really just over charge and outspend and grind down defendants - it's not like there is anyone in the DOJ better than O'mara. If the trial showed anything is that State Prosecutors, even the good ones, are not particularly great.
Which comes to the issue of Money: Zimmerman has already raised hundreds of thousands for his defense without much effort. As someone said - write a book, go on Rush, Hannity, etc., as well as the news and talk shows. If he did this in conjunction with actively soliciting donations for his defense, I bet he could raise several million without much effort.
Every second that George or his proxies are on the offensive, on the television, and in peoples faces telling his story - it will become that much harder for the average voter to ignore the administration's tacit support of what amounts to racially driven low level genocide in the form of persistent violent crime against whites (and everyone else, it seems) by underclass blacks like Trayvon.
@svigor:
"I ask the gallery: would George Bush the Second have handled the Zimmerman verdict differently? If so, how?"
Easy question: under GBII Zimmerman would already be in chains, awaiting his next "trial."
The Bush's are, after all, about as white-protestant-patrician as white-protestant-patricians get. So they have to try even harder than Obama to prove themselves worthy of the mantle of victimhood (&/or heroic defenders of victimhood) which is the supreme value of the cult of God on the Cross (& its various ideological heirs) to which they imagine that they adhere.
vinteuil
"To prove such violations requires a different standard of evidence and law than what was used in the state case against Zimmerman. So a federal prosecution would not be double jeopardy, they said."
It's not double jeopardy, you guys! That was a court court. This is a kangaroo court. It's totally different!
I have relatives who only vaguely followed the story and they all thought Martin was like the 12 year old kid in the photo the media used everywhere - even in Europe btw. They all use the 12 year old photo.
Is it just me, or do other people notice that the 12 year old Trayvon has a subtly aggressive, smirking expression. My impression of him in the red (Hollister?) shirt is that he's not a nice kid, even if he is 12 in the photo, he sure ain't Beaver Cleaver.
"Phoenician said...
I guess this has paid off for O'Mara and West.
With the likely increase in blacks being shot in self-defense situations, I suspect they will be doing a brisk business soon."
So? If you like blacks so much,why don't you live with them?
"GZ instigated it in an act of bravado. I hope there is some sort of punishment, and this is coming from a conservative, not some white guilt liberal."
It's coming from a retard. What are you conserving? The Snivel Rights laws of 1960's liberals? Bully for you. I bet you're proud of being a willing facilitator of your people's own demise too. Man, they really messed you up.
"There's not much rattling around in your head, eh?
He was found not guilty of the crime he was charged with and the other one the judge agreed that the State could add at the last minute (murder 2 and manslaughter). He was not found not guilty of any and all crimes he might or might not have committed."
Must not be much rattling around in yours. Hate is an emotion. It is not a crime.
"It is probably a mistake for Obama to ally the Zimmerman case with the gun control issue. The whole Second Amendment issue is now and has always been based on fear of violent Negroes. George Mason and the Virginia planters were strongly in favor of an armed militia because they feared a slave insurrection. This fear still resonated with the Tea Party and a host of other groups during the recent gun control debate. The home defense rational means fear of black home invaders."
That's well-reasoned,but wrong. Gun control was actually devised by liberal whites because of a fear of armed former slaves.
A slavemaster who was good at his job could leave a loaded double-barrel shotgun laying around and none of his negroes would touch it because, (a) blacks are naturally dependent and WANT a benevolent white provider,look what they did when they got the vote, and (b)The slavemaster put the fear of god into his slaves about any form of disobedience. As long as he was reasonably providing for the negroes' wants as a group,he could get quite nasty with some negro in particular.
"My impression of him in the red (Hollister?) shirt is that he's not a nice kid, even if he is 12 in the photo, he sure ain't Beaver Cleaver."
It could be but i think the physical size is more critical because it directly impacts the case vis a vis self-defense.
Showing pictures of Martin when he was half the size he was on the night
http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2013/05/22/TM711_4_20130522123142_640_480.PNG
deliberately undermined Zimmerman's defence.
If he has the money i hope it's possible for Zimmerman to sue every media organization that used those little kid pictures of Martin for damaging his chances of a fair trial.
would George Bush
Funny that GWB would come up - as I read this thread in one of U.C. Berkeley's satellite libraries, the following poem is posted on the wall:
See no evil, see nothing all;
hear no evil, just heavenly call;
speak no evil, but listen in, so to discover someone else's sin;
Thus the gospel from simian George.
Think evolution since Valley Forge:
from telling the truth to admitting no error.
From the fight for freedom to the war on terror.
Surely evolution must be defective,
the descent of man just liberal invective, spread by riders of the Demo donkey.
Warning: with God's word thou shalt not monkey.
"Why? Because they throw ball like girls--weak and wimpy."
If the "girls" on this case had found Zimmerman guilty, you'd be crying about how women are emotion-driven liberals and Whiskey would be telling everyone that it was because Zimmerman was a beta male.
Man sometimes it's almost like a subsection of the commenters here have issues with the ladies or something.
"Man sometimes it's almost like a subsection of the commenters here have issues with the ladies or something."
That's true everywhere. Feminists suck but misogyny (and vice versa) does exist.
"George Zimmerman is just the sort of person many whites would like patrolling their neighborhood."
LMAO; "Hey Honey, who do you think the HOA should hire for the Neiborhood watch commander?"
"Well Sweetie, there's this one guy who got into a confrontation with, and shot a teenager on his way home, has been arrested for spousal abuse, and convicted for resisting arrest and obstruction of justice and was too dumb to be a local policeman...even though it was his life's dream."
Sounds perfect to me honey, what could go wrong with a guy like that driving around the complex, at night with a gun?"
"Say what? A liberal just got mugged by reality. We should be helping him change his party affiliation, not hustling him out the door.
"
what good will that do?
racially driven low level genocide in the form of persistent violent crime against whites (and everyone else, it seems) by underclass blacks like Trayvon.
Come again? Tracy Martin is a long-haul truck driver. I think that is likely pretty near the workforce median in terms of compensation and skill level. Sybrina Fulton is an official of the housing authority in Miami. Stephen Martin, Sr. is a retired military officer. Brandi Green lives in a neighborhood chock-a-bloc with the common-and-garden middle class (a retired teacher, an IT tech, a real estate sales agent, and an insurance underwriter are among her neighbors). Not sure about Alicia Stanley, but from her grooming and speech patterns, I would guess wage-earning office employee. Jahvaris Fulton is a college student. Trayvon Martin was not in any way shape or form 'underclass'. He was at the nexus of the common middle class and the prosperous working class.
Opening (or reopening) an investigation is not the same as bringing charges. This is just playing for time until the outrage settles down. Sort of like appointing a special committee to study a problem.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
"My impression of him in the red (Hollister?) shirt is that he's not a nice kid, even if he is 12 in the photo, he sure ain't Beaver Cleaver."
It could be but i think the physical size is more critical because it directly impacts the case vis a vis self-defense.
Showing pictures of Martin when he was half the size he was on the night
http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2013/05/22/TM711_4_20130522123142_640_480.PNG
deliberately undermined Zimmerman's defence.
If he has the money i hope it's possible for Zimmerman to sue every media organization that used those little kid pictures of Martin for damaging his chances of a fair trial.
7/15/13, 2:34 PM
You and me both, The Australian state owned broadcaster ( who have a very left wing POV) insists on using ONLY the 12yo picture of Martin so most Australian people have no perspective on the trial at all.
GO AHEAD George, sue, as a taxpayer, I don't mind, you deserve my share of the loot for the Australian ABC's part in the aborted stitch up.
MT Isa Miner
>Feminists suck<
That phrase really was unselfconscious and irony-free, wasn't it? That's very disorienting. Never do it again.
[/joke]
Art Deco said
>Trayvon Martin was not in any way shape or form 'underclass'.<
It's a good call grammatically. The word should have been "thug-wannabee" or something like that. But what class analysis misses (or underplays) is mobility among classes - and contrary to feel-good myths, most class mobility is downward. Trayvon wasn't sinking, he was sunk (but our host disagrees with that assessment).
Let's use "low class"? Anyone from any background can surely be low class. It could be all Just Another Guy With a 1911 meant.
Btw, do you live in that now-notorious neighborhood or are those resident details widely available? Interesting stuff.
You and me both, The Australian state owned broadcaster ( who have a very left wing POV) insists on using ONLY the 12yo picture of Martin so most Australian people have no perspective on the trial at all.
Ditto for the BBC. Day of the verdict they were insolently using the 12 year TM pic. Bastards.
GO AHEAD George, sue, as a taxpayer, I don't mind, you deserve my share of the loot for the Australian ABC's part in the aborted stitch up.
Ditto again from me.
This case seems to be splitting off many white liberals from the blacks among the Obama supporters. The case for self defense is simple and obvious. You have to actually be black as to be able to overlook that. Many white liberals can't manage to hold their nose and condemn Zimmerman for the sake of the Democrat Party.
I'm thinking blue collar union (aka Reagan) Democrats myself. White limo liberals are too insulated from black crime to empathize with Zimmerman. Sanford's burglary rate is 8x New York City's. It is literally out of control. Unlike his limo liberal and conservative critics, Zimmerman's not a rich guy. He can't afford to move away.
Obama I just can't believe, and lots of whites voted for him but Romeny should not have made the 47 percent statement.
Romney is a political ninny who thought he could do politics in his spare time. Reagan wasn't anywhere near as smart, but he worked at it day and night. That's how he came up with a good response (or non-response) to just about every question fielded at him. Romney said so many stupid things, it's clear he simply wasn't trying.
Art Deco -
Note to self: turn in Communist Party USA membership card. Kidding aside, good catch and those are interesting facts re: Martin's socioeconomic background I was not aware of. I followed the case pretty closely. Were any of these facts adduced at trial or widely available and I just missed it?
That being said, my class assumptions were based on Martin's behavior and I'm not convinced that the details you supplied really change the analysis in any fundamental way. It is Martin's behavior, what he became, that is most important. Clearly, whatever station the St. Skittles Express started at in life it sure as hell wasn't where it ended. It just makes Trayvon's descent into thug or, to use David's term, low class life and its attendant and corrosive characteristics/societal effects all that more depressing in that, perhaps, it could have been prevented somewhere along the line.
Also, the facts about Martin's background leads to a question that goes deeper into the heart of everything. Namely, why did Trayvon feel (and demonstrate) so much affinity for prevailing black underclass mores, values and behaviors, to the point where he felt entitled/empowered to kill a "cracka" who he thought disrespected him, than the generic middle class ones that, based on the socioeconomic background you supplied, he ostensibly would have been inculcated with.
most class mobility is downward. Trayvon wasn't sinking, he was sunk (but our host disagrees with that assessment).
Not unless the ratio of the below to the above is continually expanding. It is not. The ratio of salaried employees and proprietors to wage earners is actually somewhat higher than it was in 1925. The more salient difference is that there were in that stratum proportionately fewer salaried employees ninety years ago and many more farm proprietors. Compared to the rest of the population, farm proprietors are a good deal more affluent than was the case in 1925, but there are few of them left (about 1.2% of the workforce is in agriculture and allied trades). Some sectors of the agrarian labor force (e.g. tenant farmers and share-croppers) have disappeared entirely.
The wage earning sector is proportionately slightly smaller. The principal change in its composition has been the decline of workers in goods producing enterprises in favor of service employment.
Trayvon Martin was only 17. He was not sunk. Some punks that age grow out of it in short order, some after a certain number of years and opportunities wasted, and some remain a problem way into middle age. Tracy Martin and his brother grew up in East St. Louis, Illinois - i.e. in the most viperous slum in America. You never can quite tell about people at a young age.
No, I do not live in the neighborhood, but a number of the people who testified are neighbors of Brandi Green and George Zimmerman. Jane Surdyka is a retired teacher, Selene Bahadoor an IT tech, Jenna Lauer an estate agent, George Zimmerman an insurance underwriter, Shellie Zimmerman a beautician, &c. These are average Americans.
"Truth" is still very much a reverse nickname, I see.
"Well Sweetie, there's this one guy who got into a confrontation with, and shot a teenager on his way home, has been arrested for spousal abuse, and convicted for resisting arrest and obstruction of justice and was too dumb to be a local policeman...even though it was his life's dream."
Wow! Zimmerman was convicted for resisting arrest and obstruction of justice? We learned from you just a few days ago that Bill Lee was convicted of resisting arrest and obstruction of justice, too. What a coincidence!
Oh, wait, that was just a gross error on your part, one which you, as far as I can gather, have never bothered to acknowledge or correct, even after I called you on it, even though you replied to the comment in which I did so.
And now, we have another of your gross errors. Zimmerman was not convicted of resisting arrest or obstruction of justice, either. And btw, the former charge was "resisting arrest without violence."
I hope you don't serve on many juries.
What's next from you? Skip Gates was convicted of burglary?
Zim's statement on the resisting arrest and obstruction incident, from his police academy application:
“I was arrested in July of 2005 for assault on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest with violence. Both charges were immediately dropped to resisting arrest without violence, and then dropped all together.
“I was in an altercation with an undercover officer that was taking part in an ATF sting for underage drinking in UCF. He never told me he was an officer and assaulted me first. Shortly after that, in September 2005, the same unit was conducting a sting at UCF and an officer was killed by an OPD officer because he discharged his weapon and did not identify himself.
“My father is a retired Magistrate Judge for the Supreme Court of Virginia and my mother was a deputy clerk of court for over 20 years. I hold law enforcement officers in the highest regaurd (sic) as I hope to one day become one. I would never have touched a police officer. Prior to and since that I have not been arrested.
Fox News (according to Half Sigma's quote):
In July 2005, Zimmerman, then 21, was at a bar near the University of Central Florida when a friend was arrested by state alcohol agents on suspicion of serving underage drinkers, according to an arrest report in the Sentinel. Zimmerman became profane and pushed away an agent who tried to escort him, the report said. Authorities said he was arrested after a short struggle. Charged with resisting arrest without violence, he avoided conviction by entering a pretrial-diversion program, something common for first-time offenders.
Here's what the obviously-hostile allvoices.com has to say about the domestic violence issue:
In the same year (2005), Zimmerman's ex-fiance, Veronica Zuazo, filed a civil motion for a restraining order, alleging domestic violence. In retaliation, Zimmerman filed for a retraining order against Zuazo and both these claims were resolved with both restraining orders granted.
So, it's an "allegation," not even an arrest or conviction.
Anything else you'd like to royally **** up before we move on?
P.S., here's a great bit of urinalism from WaPo:
When George Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin the night of Feb. 26, 2012, he ignored an admonition not to do so from the police dispatcher. The request for his arrest, written by the lead detective, noted that Zimmerman's killing of Trayvon could have been avoided if he'd remained in his vehicle or identified himself "as a concerned citizen." Just what in Zimmerman's past might have led him to take these actions and kill an unarmed teenager with a gunshot to the chest is relevant in this case.
Everything after the second comma in the first sentence is wrong on the facts. In the second sentence, the lead detective shows gross stupidity or willful ignorance. For one thing, the cops shoot people all the time, and most of those shootings "could have been avoided" if the cops just stayed in their vehicles and stopped sticking their noses into other peoples' business. For another, identifying himself as a "concerned citizen" might just as easily have been what triggered Martin to assault Zimmerman; "no snitchin'" For another, it's as likely as not that Martin was already set on his goal of assaulting and beating Zimmerman, and no action on Zimmerman's point this side of brandishing his firearm would have prevented Martin's determined course of criminal behavior. And brandishing a firearm, is IIRC, a crime in Florida. Maybe that's why the lead detective didn't mention the one obvious action that Zimmerman could have taken that would have been likely to stop Trayvon's criminal trajectory?
P.P.S., T should be happy to G**gle up "Witness No. 9" who proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman is a sexual predator and a racist.
Trayvon Martin was only 17. He was not sunk. Some punks that age grow out of it in short order, some after a certain number of years and opportunities wasted, and some remain a problem way into middle age. Tracy Martin and his brother grew up in East St. Louis, Illinois - i.e. in the most viperous slum in America. You never can quite tell about people at a young age.
True, but judging by his behavior on the night of his death, his trajectory was falling. In fact, I don't think it's unfair to say it drove him right into the ground that night.
T should be happy to G**gle up "Witness No. 9" who proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Zimmerman is a sexual predator and a racist.
You are being ironic, I hope? Witness #9 is his cousin, who had no relevant information for authorities; she just wanted to trash him. Her allegations against her cousin seem embellished ("she sounds phony" said Jeralyn Merritt) and I would not be the least bit surprised if it never occurred to Christina Meza Johnson that the five incidents in question (over 11 years) had a connecting thread until some 3d rate L.C.S.W. suggested it.
"You Americans are to the point of neurosis by race. It is tiresome."
"You Americans," he says. As if this isn't going to be what the rest of us will be dealing with 50 years from now. What a clown.
"We learned from you just a few days ago that Bill Lee was convicted of resisting arrest and obstruction of justice, too. What a coincidence!"
Who in the hell is Bill Lee? You mean the Spaceman? He was great I remember his antics from the 70's, but what does he have to do with GZ?
"And now, we have another of your gross errors. Zimmerman was not convicted of resisting arrest or obstruction of justice, either. And btw, the former charge was "resisting arrest without violence."
Yes he was, he served community service and anger management classes, he was originally charged with R.A WITH violence but it was knocked down to a misdemeanor due to his (WHITE! GERMAN!) daddy the judge(!) and mother the court clerk (!).
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/30/1079338/-Zimmerman-s-05-arrest-Resisting-offices-Obstructing-justice-a-felony-sentence-Anger-Managemet
"“I was in an altercation with an undercover officer that was taking part in an ATF sting for underage drinking in UCF."
Why do you take the word of a fake cop who's NOT (!) white, over the word of a real one who IS WHITE?
You are being ironic, I hope?
No, just speaking in "Truth."
"What's next from you? Skip Gates was convicted of burglary?"
Skip Gates was NOT convicted of Burglary, GZ SERVED a SENTENCE for his crimes, albeit having a WHITE (!) rich judge for a daddy, a much reduced one. I'm not sure where you're lost here, Bro.
" he avoided conviction by entering a pretrial-diversion program, something common for first-time offenders."
First time OFFENDERS (!) You are familiar with the word, right? It means in colloquial terms you would understand, being from South Carolina, "he dun' fucked up with the low, maine."
In terms of the ex-fiancé, you are correct, it was a civil, not criminal matter, so the scorecard reads like this:
Arrests:
Zimmerman 1
Martin 0
Sentences:
Zimmerman 1
Martin 0
Restraining orders citing "filer feared for her life:
Zimmerman 1
Martin 0
Evidences of felatio by Isteve regulars:
Zimmerman 199,098,976
Martin 0
"You Americans," he says, as if he didn't deliberately go looking for some place on the web to read and comment frequented by the 5% or less of the American population that's race-realist.
He's like the stereotype of the tramp who wears a skirt that doesn't cover her butt crack out to a dive bar; complaining about the attention is part of the entertainment value.
" For one thing, the cops shoot people all the time, and most of those shootings "could have been avoided" if the cops just stayed in their vehicles and stopped sticking their noses into other peoples' business..."
That's the whole point: ZIMMERMAN WAS NOT....A FUCKING...COP!
He always wanted to BE a cop, but he was too stupid and was SENTENCED FOR A CRIME! What is hard to get about this.
And BTW, there has not been one instance on this site of my calling Zim a racist. I don't know if he is, and as a matter of fact I'm not even sure I know what that means...I just don't give a shit if someone is racist or not.
I you have too many drinks and get behind the wheel of your car and kill someone, you had no malice toward him, and probably didn't even know him, but your stupid decision is responsible for his no longer being alive.
Zimmerman has proven himself to be, over the course of his life, and amiable, yet arrogant moron, and his stupid, arrogant behavior cost someone his life, I really don't know how many times I must write this.
Troof
Who in the hell is Bill Lee?
Newsweek: "Is Trayvon Martin a Victim Not Just of Racial Profiling But Youth Profiling Too?"
Me
I don't know his age, but if he's not too old and he wants another job like his old one, I bet some municipal official somewhere is thinking Lee would make a pretty good police chief. Hell, he could run for sheriff somewhere nearby based on his performance in this case.
Troof
Police Chief with resisting arrest and obstruction of justice convictions...as an adult? Yeah, you're a genius.
Me
When was Bill Lee charged with resisting arrest or obstruction of justice? You got a source for that?
Troof
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Oh, and you got at least one of those scores wrong. You've been polishing Tray-tray's knob pretty extensively here; don't sell yourself short, bra.
Oh, you were saying some other guy would make a good police chief. Oh maybe, never heard of him I thought you were talking about your idol Zim. Quite honestly, your posts are generally one note and totally predictable, I usually just read the first sentence than respond, because about 99% of the time, I know what the rest is going to say.
My apologies. But I'd vote for The Spaceman for Police Chief over anyone you think did a good job in this case.
Whim got the previous attempt, I think, so here it is without the question in question:
Yes he was, he served community service and anger management classes, he was originally charged with R.A WITH violence but it was knocked down to a misdemeanor [deceptive speculation removed].
No, he wasn't. You were and are wrong; he wasn't convicted of either charge.
Skip Gates was NOT convicted of Burglary
Right, which makes him roughly as convicted of burglary as Zimmerman is of resisting arrest or obstruction of justice, but that hasn't stopped you from repeatedly asserting just that in Zimmerman's case.
he avoided conviction
I think that is the operative phrase, here.
Evidences of felatio by Isteve regulars
Have you taken up drinking over poor NLN's fate? Your spelling and reading comprehension have dropped off (even for you), and you're much surlier than you used to be.
That's the whole point: ZIMMERMAN WAS NOT....A FUCKING...COP!
That's not the point. That's totally irrelevant to the point. Read the point I was responding to and the point I made in response to it, until it sinks in.
I you have too many drinks
Projection?
his stupid, arrogant behavior cost someone his life
You can say and write it as many times as you like, it still won't magically become true.
Martin's behavior cost him his life.
My apologies.
No big, I was just kinda worried about you. Glad to hear you just aren't paying attention, and haven't become a drunkard.
"Oh, and you got at least one of those scores wrong. You've been polishing Tray-tray's knob pretty extensively here; don't sell yourself short, bra."
I don't remember EVER writing anything positive about Travon Martin, what he was, or what he did. You're using examples today, have a whirl.
"
He's like the stereotype of the tramp who wears a skirt that doesn't cover her butt crack out to a dive bar; complaining about the attention is part of the entertainment value."
For a minute I was picturing an unshaven, ragged man on freight train changing into butt-revealing skirt . now that WOULD be entertaining.
but then I realized, oh -- THAT kind of tramp.
"d BTW, there has not been one instance on this site of my calling Zim a racist. I don't know if he is, and as a matter of fact I'm not even sure I know what that means...I just don't give a shit if someone is racist or not. "
I don't care either, but Zim's brother Robert said George mentored two black youths. The black teacher who said "Hi George" and waved obviously had no prob with George. In fact, George is also like BO's son, as his Grandmom was black.
I noticed that some MSM-lie organ, Huff Post probably, headlined "Robert Zimmerman ... smug .." So absurd I can't recall it all. Aside from the fact Robert was articulate and confident and pointed out Pierce Morgan's irresponsibility (the man was still insisting on the train of events as MSM wanted it and which the trial showed to be false), I just can't see "smug" anywhere on him. It was his calling out of the MSM (Piece Morgan is just one mouthpiece) on its irresponsibility that made HuffPost so vindicative. Calling someone like Zimmerman a "racist", even by Huff Post definitions, makes MSM look as lying and manipulative as it really is, and doesn't anger me. It's too absurd. OTOH, calling the media "irresponsible" cuts too close to the truth. Appearing to be the all-knowing-parent-god-figure is the MSM's currency. Nobody with brains believes CNN, ABC, or NBC, NYT, WaPo, etc. It's actually v. easy to get many people to admit that. Be careful about taking celebrity and politicians' regurgitations seriously. They are like mechanical puppets when it comes to this. What they really think may be quite different, but since they have no character to say so even tactfully, they prove themselves worthless.
GZ instigated it in an act of bravado. I hope there is some sort of punishment, and this is coming from a conservative, not some white guilt liberal."
I don't know whether your a "libera" or "conversative" (a meaningless dichotomy to me), but you are definitely not stellar in reading comprehension. Do you have ADHD?
He did not instigate the attack. The attacker did. Zimmerman just walked behind him briefly, as a good neighborhood watchman should do. He then turned to leave and the attacker came up behind him. The rest is history.
Personally I am of the cowardly safari breed. I look up (certain) blacks, especially when I'm alone and it's dark, as dangerous and according the MSM & many "liberals" (for lack of a better word) not subject to rule of law.
But Zimmerman did not instigate it. You must be either lacking in any comprehension, or, more likely, you're a troll for MSM and like MSM, know exactly what you're doing.
I just wish I knew for why.
You've been servicing Tray-tray orally, that's for sure.
Maybe you can put in a little elbow grease, for once? Line up all the positive things I've said about Zim that justify your statements that he's my "hero," I'm polishing his knob, etc.
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